Thanks Gary. Union Station is right there, and I think that is the location of the infamous Chouteau Pond (historical). "What is now Aloe Plaza was the main body of Chouteau's pond until it was drained after the 1840s cholera epidemic. Springs from S, W and N drained into the pond, which was a natural lowlands before being dammed. Apparently the area, what is now the station, used to be a bluff which was excavated and taken down to grade, since the railyards are lower, but not all that low anymore." Mike > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:03:06 -0400 > From: Gary Stoltman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi Mike: > > It's 2 blks south of Market. Was Myrtle. It was 3 blocks south at one time > but Elm St. no longer exists. > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ

Mike Don't think that the pond was that far west. Looking at an 1823 survey map, it essentially was a "leg & thigh" shaped lake starting at Market & 9th (leg) on the north; 8th & Spruce on the east; while the west didn't extend past 10th St for the main portion (thigh). The remainder ran in a southwesterly direction. Of course, this is an 1823 survey and perhaps the dimensions changed by the 1840-50s. Is Aloe Plaza across from the Station? Have forgotten - lived here since 1976. Also, never realized there was a bluff that far west! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Flannigan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards > > Thanks Gary. > > Union Station is right there, and I think that is the location of > the infamous Chouteau Pond (historical). > > "What is now Aloe Plaza was the main body of Chouteau's > pond until it was drained after the 1840s cholera epidemic. > Springs from S, W and N drained into the pond, which was > a natural lowlands before being dammed. Apparently the > area, what is now the station, used to be a bluff which was > excavated and taken down to grade, since the railyards are > lower, but not all that low anymore." > > > Mike > > >> Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:03:06 -0400 >> From: Gary Stoltman <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Mike: >> >> It's 2 blks south of Market. Was Myrtle. It was 3 blocks south at one >> time >> but Elm St. no longer exists. >> >> Gary Stoltman >> Mercerville, NJ > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 > >