Hi Jim. Sounds like it wasn't my ggfathers saloon- there was one at 9th and Biddle, and another previously at 719 S. Main Street, which was nearby. I have a street atlas of the city from around the 1880s on CD, but it wouldn't cover later periods. I'm not sure how many of the Baders in the missouri area are related. I think there may be more than I know, but I only know the direct line. However, the fact that Matthais settled in St. Louis and there were already Baders living there, makes me suspect he had kin there. There's another group in St.Genevieve, nearby. I've not located the connections, partly because our family line ends in Germany with the burning of church records in 1791. To my knowledge, I would not be related to the man who ran the Art store, but then Matthais had 9-11 children, and most lived to have children. While the family moved to St. Clair, it is possible that some made their way back to the big city. I'll post to the list if I find more connections. I'll pull out that atlas too, it's possible I can track down that saloon. Madelyn ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and Biddle StreetSaloon Date: 6/19/2007 3:43:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _jims505@msn.com_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com) To: _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com) Sent on: Hi Madelyn: The Saloon I'm looking for Shows up in the 1920 census as being owned by a McQuillen relative who liked to shun the spotlight of openness. It was labeled, "The High and Biddle Street Saloon," by the census taker. I am almost certain it was on or near the corner of 11th and Biddle. I have been told by family members that its main products were, prescription liquors and non prescription pharmaceuticals. I can not prove these assertions, but would be very surprised if they were not true. Seems there was a lot of that kind of thing going on during that time period. By any chance are you related to the Bader gentleman who owned "Bader Art Supplies" back in the 1950s on Olive then moved near 12th and Locust about 1951? A very fine gentleman, whose first name escapes me at the moment, who employed knot headed boys attending high school to deliver those same supplies to offices in downtown St Louis.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and Biddle StreetSaloon There was a New York Hotel and Saloon at 9th and Biddle, in the 1870s. I don't know if its what you're looking for. It was operated, for some time, by Matthais Bader, my ggrandfather. There was another, earlier, on what was at the time called main street, but I've not yet learned the name. Madelyn B ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -Tracking addresses Date: 6/18/2007 3:16:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com>_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>) To: _dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org>_ (mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org>) , _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>_ (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>) Sent on: Dennis: Would it be possible to find what the exact address of the High and Biddle Street Saloon might have been in 1920? I think in a more modern time period it may have been on the corner of 11th and Biddle, but I'm not sure.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Northcott<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org>> To: Joe@joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@joelight.com>> ; mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-s tlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -Tracking addresses Dear Joe, We have a variety of resources here at the Missouri Historical Society Library and Research Center to help you research the history of a business and/or a particular piece of property in St. Louis City and County. You can use reverse directories (i.e., city directories, red books, blue books, and red-blue books) to determine what business or person occupied a particular street address. In these reverse directories you can look up a street name alphabetically, and then look up the street number. Recently we've indexed a variety of published and manuscript sources that can help you determine what business or person occupied a particular address. For example, we've indexed a large collection of St. Louis business letterheads (mostly dated 1860s-1920s). Most of the sources we've indexed thus far relate to St. Louis City addresses, rather than St. Louis County. We also have a collection of maps and atlases, some of which provide the name of the person or business who owned a particular piece of land. Whipple and Sanborn fire-insurance maps, dated circa 1870s-1940s can be helpful. Federal census records and local census records can be helpful in some cases. Esley Hamilton's inventory to historical buildings in St. Louis County is a good resource: http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld.html<http://www.co.st-louis.m o.us/parks/Intro_histbld.html<http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld .html%3Chttp://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld.html>> Building permits and deeds are available at St. Louis City Hall. If you'd like to provide me with the street address you are researching, I'll do a quick check of our catalogs and indexes. However, I don't have the time to do extensive research for you, such as searching years of reverse directories. Sincerely, Dennis Northcott Associate Archivist for Reference Missouri Historical Society ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb .com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-re quest@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Madelyn: Keep looking and I'll bet you find something.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and BiddleStreetSaloon Hi Jim. Sounds like it wasn't my ggfathers saloon- there was one at 9th and Biddle, and another previously at 719 S. Main Street, which was nearby. I have a street atlas of the city from around the 1880s on CD, but it wouldn't cover later periods. I'm not sure how many of the Baders in the missouri area are related. I think there may be more than I know, but I only know the direct line. However, the fact that Matthais settled in St. Louis and there were already Baders living there, makes me suspect he had kin there. There's another group in St.Genevieve, nearby. I've not located the connections, partly because our family line ends in Germany with the burning of church records in 1791. To my knowledge, I would not be related to the man who ran the Art store, but then Matthais had 9-11 children, and most lived to have children. While the family moved to St. Clair, it is possible that some made their way back to the big city. I'll post to the list if I find more connections. I'll pull out that atlas too, it's possible I can track down that saloon. Madelyn ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and Biddle StreetSaloon Date: 6/19/2007 3:43:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com>_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>) To: _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>_ (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>) Sent on: Hi Madelyn: The Saloon I'm looking for Shows up in the 1920 census as being owned by a McQuillen relative who liked to shun the spotlight of openness. It was labeled, "The High and Biddle Street Saloon," by the census taker. I am almost certain it was on or near the corner of 11th and Biddle. I have been told by family members that its main products were, prescription liquors and non prescription pharmaceuticals. I can not prove these assertions, but would be very surprised if they were not true. Seems there was a lot of that kind of thing going on during that time period. By any chance are you related to the Bader gentleman who owned "Bader Art Supplies" back in the 1950s on Olive then moved near 12th and Locust about 1951? A very fine gentleman, whose first name escapes me at the moment, who employed knot headed boys attending high school to deliver those same supplies to offices in downtown St Louis.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol.com>> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and Biddle StreetSaloon There was a New York Hotel and Saloon at 9th and Biddle, in the 1870s. I don't know if its what you're looking for. It was operated, for some time, by Matthais Bader, my ggrandfather. There was another, earlier, on what was at the time called main street, but I've not yet learned the name. Madelyn B ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -Tracking addresses Date: 6/18/2007 3:16:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:_jims505@msn.com>>_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims505@msn.com>>) To: _dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:_dpn@mohistory.org>>_ (mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org>>) , _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>_ (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootswebcom>>) Sent on: Dennis: Would it be possible to find what the exact address of the High and Biddle Street Saloon might have been in 1920? I think in a more modern time period it may have been on the corner of 11th and Biddle, but I'm not sure.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Northcott<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org>>> To: Joe@joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@joelight.com>>> ; mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-s<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-s> tlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:tlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -Tracking addresses Dear Joe, We have a variety of resources here at the Missouri Historical Society Library and Research Center to help you research the history of a business and/or a particular piece of property in St. Louis City and County. You can use reverse directories (i.e., city directories, red books, blue books, and red-blue books) to determine what business or person occupied a particular street address. In these reverse directories you can look up a street name alphabetically, and then look up the street number. Recently we've indexed a variety of published and manuscript sources that can help you determine what business or person occupied a particular address. For example, we've indexed a large collection of St. Louis business letterheads (mostly dated 1860s-1920s). Most of the sources we've indexed thus far relate to St. Louis City addresses, rather than St. Louis County. We also have a collection of maps and atlases, some of which provide the name of the person or business who owned a particular piece of land. Whipple and Sanborn fire-insurance maps, dated circa 1870s-1940s can be helpful. Federal census records and local census records can be helpful in some cases. Esley Hamilton's inventory to historical buildings in St. Louis County is a good resource: http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld.html<http://www.co.st-louis.m<http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld.html%3Chttp://www.co.st-louis.m> o.us/parks/Intro_histbld.html<http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld<http://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld> .html%3Chttp://www.co.st-louis.mo.us/parks/Intro_histbld.html>> Building permits and deeds are available at St. Louis City Hall. If you'd like to provide me with the street address you are researching, I'll do a quick check of our catalogs and indexes. However, I don't have the time to do extensive research for you, such as searching years of reverse directories. Sincerely, Dennis Northcott Associate Archivist for Reference Missouri Historical Society ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb> com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-re<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-re> quest@rootsweb.com<mailto:quest@rootsweb.com>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb> .com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/<http://www.aol.com%3chttp//www.aolcom/>>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message