Hi, You all may have the answer to this by now, but I have a full subscription to Ancestry and searched in "all databases" on the sign in page. Then I went to the bottom of the page and searched for French Catholic Church Records with Missouri as the keyword. That pulled up Early U.S. French Catholic Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1695-1954. I had difficulty until I just searched only for Missouri. I guess it rejected St. Louis for St-Louis That pulled up Catholique and Florissant Florissant; Baptemes Florissant; Mariages Florissant; Sepultures St-Louis St-Louis; Baptemes Under this . . . . 1769-1804, 1806-1814, 1814-1823, 1823-1835, 1835-1844, 1844-1851, 1851-1856, 1857-1874, 1874-1890, 1890-1938, 1939-1954 St-Louis; Mariages St-Louis; Sepultures I didn't have time to check out the others but there were links to all of these listed. Karen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Thank yo0u ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Hammons" <hammons7@windstream.net> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] URL for Bob Doerr > Bob, > here is a copy of the email from Diane, that contains the URL > Pat > > > I was looking around in the Drouin records of Ancestry's Canadian > Collection and found a link to "French Catholic Church Records-Drouin > Collection 1695-1954. I looked at the listing on the page and it > included some states in the US. Missouri was one of them. So I clicked > on Missouri and found a collection of records of early churches. So I > clicked on the late 1800's and found that the cathedral records are > there! I went into the records to see how well they are photographed > and they look very good. The first records I saw were for baptisms in > 1856 for a families named Boyle, McNabb, Kerns, Curran, etc. These are > all records - not just French ones. This is exciting for people who > don't have access to St. Louis early church records. I must say it was > hard to find, though. > > http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=1111&path=Missouri > > The above URL is the one I used to find it. I don't know if it will > work without a log in. As I said, I was searching Canada when I found > them. You will need a full access subscription to Ancestry to access > these files. I wish I had had more time to find out how many churches > were there. > > If anyone else finds this treasure, please write down how you got > there!!! > > Diane Shaw > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Diane, I was able to get in. I clicked on your link and then chose the link I wanted and eventually it gave me a page to sign up for a free three day trial, no credit card needed! Thanks, Kathy G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <lilirish@earthlink.net> To: "ST. Louis Rootsweb" <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com>; <IRISH-IN-SAINT-LOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Some St. Louis Church records are in Ancestry >I was looking around in the Drouin records of Ancestry's Canadian >Collection and found a link to "French Catholic Church Records-Drouin >Collection 1695-1954. I looked at the listing on the page and it included >some states in the US. Missouri was one of them. So I clicked on Missouri >and found a collection of records of early churches. So I clicked on the >late 1800's and found that the cathedral records are there! I went into >the records to see how well they are photographed and they look very good. >The first records I saw were for baptisms in 1856 for a families named >Boyle, McNabb, Kerns, Curran, etc. These are all records - not just French >ones. This is exciting for people who don't have access to St. Louis early >church records. I must say it was hard to find, though. > > http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=1111&path=Missouri > > The above URL is the one I used to find it. I don't know if it will work > without a log in. As I said, I was searching Canada when I found them. > You will need a full access subscription to Ancestry to access these > files. I wish I had had more time to find out how many churches were > there. > If anyone else finds this treasure, please write down how you got there!!! > Diane Shaw > > >

In a message dated 4/29/2007 8:28:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chrismomxyz@yahoo.com writes: I saw an Ancestry that there is a Charles Mosenthein on the Index to Declaration of Intent to Naturalize in New York County 1907-1924, it lists the volume number and page, if that would help. Kate AldDan@aol.comwrote: I've been doing a little research on the Mississippi River islands in Madison County Illinois near the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers. The islands are currently known as: Chouteau Island (Grand Isle or Big Island); Gabaret Island (Cabaret Island, Isle de Cabaret, Cattarot, or French Tavern); Mosenthein Island; and the former Kerr's Island (Presqu'Isle, or Presque Island - I believe it's now part of Venice on the mainland). I would appreciate historical information on any of the islands, but Mosenthein, in particular. Supposedly it is named for a family that owned or lived on the island around 1900. This is a very unusual name, and only a few pop up in the St. Louis Missouri censuses around that time .... I've had no luck at all in Illinois. One source states that: "The first [rowing] regatta sponsored by Central [Rowing Club] was in 1892. It included a special match race between two oarswomen : One from Chicago and Central's Rose Mosenthein (whose father named Mosenthein Island in the Mississippi). The race boats then were mostly skiffs and flatboats, with the first six man barge not having been purchased until around 1894." [From Karl Heilman's on-line history of rowing in St. Louis. I wrote to Mr. Heilman, but he knows nothing more about Rose or the family]. Help ............... Regards, Dan McGuire ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rather vague reply, no does not help much! W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Bob, here is a copy of the email from Diane, that contains the URL Pat I was looking around in the Drouin records of Ancestry's Canadian Collection and found a link to "French Catholic Church Records-Drouin Collection 1695-1954. I looked at the listing on the page and it included some states in the US. Missouri was one of them. So I clicked on Missouri and found a collection of records of early churches. So I clicked on the late 1800's and found that the cathedral records are there! I went into the records to see how well they are photographed and they look very good. The first records I saw were for baptisms in 1856 for a families named Boyle, McNabb, Kerns, Curran, etc. These are all records - not just French ones. This is exciting for people who don't have access to St. Louis early church records. I must say it was hard to find, though. http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=1111&path=Missouri The above URL is the one I used to find it. I don't know if it will work without a log in. As I said, I was searching Canada when I found them. You will need a full access subscription to Ancestry to access these files. I wish I had had more time to find out how many churches were there. If anyone else finds this treasure, please write down how you got there!!! Diane Shaw

In a message dated 4/29/2007 7:43:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, chrismomxyz@yahoo.com writes: I found your family living at 1212 High Street, St Louis, St Louis County, Missouri: Burrichter, Herman H. born July 1839, age 60 at time of census, married 40 years, born in Germany, parents born Germany, immigration year: 1852, Naturalized citizen. works as a Contractor, owns home free and outright. Can read and write. Can speak English. Burrichter, Augusta born Sept, 1845, age 54 st time of census, married 40 years, 12 children born 5 living, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, immigration year, 1853,(I'm assuming she's Naturalized since st this time, an immigrant's wife became naturalized when he did), no occupation listed. Can read and write. Can speak English. Burrichter, Conrad Son, born Jan 1889, age 11 at time of census, born in Missouri, at school 9 months of the year. Can read and write. Can speak English. Burrichter, Frances Daughter, born Jan 1886, age 14 at time of census, born in Missouri, did not attend school in the past months. Can read and write. Can speak English. Filbigh, John Boarder, born Nov 1832, age 67 at time of census, born in Germany, parents born in Germany. Immigration year, 1862, Naturalized citizen, no occupation listed. Can read and write. Can not speak English. I'd be happy to send you a jpg of the image to your email address if you'd to have it. Happy Sunday, Kate in Charlottesville ladyslipper_entre-nous <toadsmoor@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Kate Thanks for your kind offer to do a census look-up via Heritage Quest. Could you do this? I am looking for Augusta or Gusta Burrichter in St. Louis, Mo in 1900. Her husband was Heinrich Herman Burrichter but might have gone by Henry. I am especially interested in who lived in the household, especially a person or persons with the surname of Bitter. Or maybe they spelled it "Buetter". I don't know. I thank you so much. Alex Koch in St. Louis, MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Where did you locate this information. I am looking for another family during the same dates.W ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Dan- I saw an Ancestry that there is a Charles Mosenthein on the Index to Declaration of Intent to Naturalize in New York County 1907-1924, it lists the volume number and page, if that would help. Kate AldDan@aol.comwrote: I've been doing a little research on the Mississippi River islands in Madison County Illinois near the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers. The islands are currently known as: Chouteau Island (Grand Isle or Big Island); Gabaret Island (Cabaret Island, Isle de Cabaret, Cattarot, or French Tavern); Mosenthein Island; and the former Kerr's Island (Presqu'Isle, or Presque Island - I believe it's now part of Venice on the mainland). I would appreciate historical information on any of the islands, but Mosenthein, in particular. Supposedly it is named for a family that owned or lived on the island around 1900. This is a very unusual name, and only a few pop up in the St. Louis Missouri censuses around that time .... I've had no luck at all in Illinois. One source states that: "The first [rowing] regatta sponsored by Central [Rowing Club] was in 1892. It included a special match race between two oarswomen : One from Chicago and Central's Rose Mosenthein (whose father named Mosenthein Island in the Mississippi). The race boats then were mostly skiffs and flatboats, with the first six man barge not having been purchased until around 1894." [From Karl Heilman's on-line history of rowing in St. Louis. I wrote to Mr. Heilman, but he knows nothing more about Rose or the family]. Help ............... Regards, Dan McGuire ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Please, what is the URL? I missed it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Hammons" <hammons7@windstream.net> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Some St. Louis Church records are in Ancestry > Diane, > This was great, I got right to it thru the URL that you gave. I have a > lot of the early French and Spanish, which I really couldn't read. But I > did find my great grandmothers marriage record, but I did have the date, > which made it easier, but I was not for sure she was married at Old > Cathedral, now I know she was. > I think I had more problems with the burials, All my Alvarez/Alvares > records were hard to read, but this is a great place to look. Many many > French names that I recognized. > > Do you know why the 1870 plus St.. Louis buriels aren't there? Are they > still filming them or did something happen to those records? > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane" <lilirish@earthlink.net> > To: "ST. Louis Rootsweb" <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com>; > <IRISH-IN-SAINT-LOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:13 PM > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Some St. Louis Church records are in > Ancestry > > >>I was looking around in the Drouin records of Ancestry's Canadian >> Collection and found a link to "French Catholic Church Records-Drouin >> Collection 1695-1954. I looked at the listing on the page and it >> included some states in the US. Missouri was one of them. So I >> clicked >> on Missouri and found a collection of records of early churches. So >> I >> clicked on the late 1800's and found that the cathedral records are >> there! I went into the records to see how well they are photographed >> and they look very good. The first records I saw were for baptisms in >> 1856 for a families named Boyle, McNabb, Kerns, Curran, etc. These >> are >> all records - not just French ones. This is exciting for people who >> don't have access to St. Louis early church records. I must say it >> was >> hard to find, though. >> >> http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=1111&path=Missouri >> >> The above URL is the one I used to find it. I don't know if it will >> work without a log in. As I said, I was searching Canada when I found >> them. You will need a full access subscription to Ancestry to access >> these files. I wish I had had more time to find out how many churches >> were there. >> >> If anyone else finds this treasure, please write down how you got >> there!!! >> >> Diane Shaw >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Good morning Alex- I found your family living at 1212 High Street, St Louis, St Louis County, Missouri: Burrichter, Herman H. born July 1839, age 60 at time of census, married 40 years, born in Germany, parents born Germany, immigration year: 1852, Naturalized citizen. works as a Contractor, owns home free and outright. Can read and write. Can speak English. Burrichter, Augusta born Sept, 1845, age 54 st time of census, married 40 years, 12 children born 5 living, born in Germany, parents born in Germany, immigration year, 1853,(I'm assuming she's Naturalized since st this time, an immigrant's wife became naturalized when he did), no occupation listed. Can read and write. Can speak English. Burrichter, Conrad Son, born Jan 1889, age 11 at time of census, born in Missouri, at school 9 months of the year. Can read and write. Can speak English. Burrichter, Frances Daughter, born Jan 1886, age 14 at time of census, born in Missouri, did not attend school in the past months. Can read and write. Can speak English. Filbigh, John Boarder, born Nov 1832, age 67 at time of census, born in Germany, parents born in Germany. Immigration year, 1862, Naturalized citizen, no occupation listed. Can read and write. Can not speak English. I'd be happy to send you a jpg of the image to your email address if you'd to have it. Happy Sunday, Kate in Charlottesville ladyslipper_entre-nous <toadsmoor@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Kate Thanks for your kind offer to do a census look-up via Heritage Quest. Could you do this? I am looking for Augusta or Gusta Burrichter in St. Louis, Mo in 1900. Her husband was Heinrich Herman Burrichter but might have gone by Henry. I am especially interested in who lived in the household, especially a person or persons with the surname of Bitter. Or maybe they spelled it "Buetter". I don't know. I thank you so much. Alex Koch in St. Louis, MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Diane, This was great, I got right to it thru the URL that you gave. I have a lot of the early French and Spanish, which I really couldn't read. But I did find my great grandmothers marriage record, but I did have the date, which made it easier, but I was not for sure she was married at Old Cathedral, now I know she was. I think I had more problems with the burials, All my Alvarez/Alvares records were hard to read, but this is a great place to look. Many many French names that I recognized. Do you know why the 1870 plus St.. Louis buriels aren't there? Are they still filming them or did something happen to those records? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <lilirish@earthlink.net> To: "ST. Louis Rootsweb" <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com>; <IRISH-IN-SAINT-LOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Some St. Louis Church records are in Ancestry >I was looking around in the Drouin records of Ancestry's Canadian > Collection and found a link to "French Catholic Church Records-Drouin > Collection 1695-1954. I looked at the listing on the page and it > included some states in the US. Missouri was one of them. So I > clicked > on Missouri and found a collection of records of early churches. So > I > clicked on the late 1800's and found that the cathedral records are > there! I went into the records to see how well they are photographed > and they look very good. The first records I saw were for baptisms in > 1856 for a families named Boyle, McNabb, Kerns, Curran, etc. These > are > all records - not just French ones. This is exciting for people who > don't have access to St. Louis early church records. I must say it > was > hard to find, though. > > http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=1111&path=Missouri > > The above URL is the one I used to find it. I don't know if it will > work without a log in. As I said, I was searching Canada when I found > them. You will need a full access subscription to Ancestry to access > these files. I wish I had had more time to find out how many churches > were there. > > If anyone else finds this treasure, please write down how you got > there!!! > > Diane Shaw > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've been doing a little research on the Mississippi River islands in Madison County Illinois near the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers. The islands are currently known as: Chouteau Island (Grand Isle or Big Island); Gabaret Island (Cabaret Island, Isle de Cabaret, Cattarot, or French Tavern); Mosenthein Island; and the former Kerr's Island (Presqu'Isle, or Presque Island - I believe it's now part of Venice on the mainland). I would appreciate historical information on any of the islands, but Mosenthein, in particular. Supposedly it is named for a family that owned or lived on the island around 1900. This is a very unusual name, and only a few pop up in the St. Louis Missouri censuses around that time .... I've had no luck at all in Illinois. One source states that: "The first [rowing] regatta sponsored by Central [Rowing Club] was in 1892. It included a special match race between two oarswomen : One from Chicago and Central's Rose Mosenthein (whose father named Mosenthein Island in the Mississippi). The race boats then were mostly skiffs and flatboats, with the first six man barge not having been purchased until around 1894." [From Karl Heilman's on-line history of rowing in St. Louis. I wrote to Mr. Heilman, but he knows nothing more about Rose or the family]. Help ............... Regards, Dan McGuire ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Alex I have Nunnenkamps but have found both spellings. I've been suspicious of the StL Nonnenkamps but have never made the connection. Mine would have been from Schlochtern, Hannover area. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: ladyslipper_entre-nous<mailto:toadsmoor@yahoo.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Nonnenkamp, Burrichter Am looking for others who are researching the Nonnenkamp name, especially in St. Louis, Mo. about 1854. I would like to know, for certain, who Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp's parents were. She died about 1865 , and her burial site is unknown. All we have is her marriage record to Bernard Joseph Burrichter in 1854 St. Louis, MO. After her death, Bernard Joseph Burrichter married Maria Anna Klingler in St. Louis. How is Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp related to Bernard Nonnenkamp living in St. Louis during those years? Does anyone have any information? Alex Koch St Louis MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com<http://mail.yahoo.com/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 4/28/2007 8:52:36 PM Central Daylight Time, toadsmoor@yahoo.com writes: Am looking for others who are researching the Nonnenkamp name, especially in St. Louis, Mo. about 1854. I would like to know, for certain, who Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp's parents were. She died about 1865 , and her burial site is unknown. All we have is her marriage record to Bernard Joseph Burrichter in 1854 St. Louis, MO. After her death, Bernard Joseph Burrichter married Maria Anna Klingler in St. Louis. How is Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp related to Bernard Nonnenkamp living in St. Louis during those years? Does anyone have any information? ======== I don't know if these are the same folks are not but check out the following website and look at the marriage of your folks in 1849. It shows Elizabeth's father as Francis Nonnenkamp, etc. _St. Joseph Catholic Church - Marriages from 1843 - 1853_ (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/dettleff-marr1853.htm) _http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com_ (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com) Scroll down to St. Joseph Catholic Church records. Gloria ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Alex, I'd be happy to look her up for you first thing in the morning. :) If there is any other info you have on them, please let me know. :) Kate in Charlottesville ladyslipper_entre-nous <toadsmoor@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Kate Thanks for your kind offer to do a census look-up via Heritage Quest. Could you do this? I am looking for Augusta or Gusta Burrichter in St. Louis, Mo in 1900. Her husband was Heinrich Herman Burrichter but might have gone by Henry. I am especially interested in who lived in the household, especially a person or persons with the surname of Bitter. Or maybe they spelled it "Buetter". I don't know. I thank you so much. Alex Koch in St. Louis, MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Am looking for others who are researching the Nonnenkamp name, especially in St. Louis, Mo. about 1854. I would like to know, for certain, who Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp's parents were. She died about 1865 , and her burial site is unknown. All we have is her marriage record to Bernard Joseph Burrichter in 1854 St. Louis, MO. After her death, Bernard Joseph Burrichter married Maria Anna Klingler in St. Louis. How is Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp related to Bernard Nonnenkamp living in St. Louis during those years? Does anyone have any information? Alex Koch St Louis MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dear Kate Thanks for your kind offer to do a census look-up via Heritage Quest. Could you do this? I am looking for Augusta or Gusta Burrichter in St. Louis, Mo in 1900. Her husband was Heinrich Herman Burrichter but might have gone by Henry. I am especially interested in who lived in the household, especially a person or persons with the surname of Bitter. Or maybe they spelled it "Buetter". I don't know. I thank you so much. Alex Koch in St. Louis, MO __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I was looking around in the Drouin records of Ancestry's Canadian Collection and found a link to "French Catholic Church Records-Drouin Collection 1695-1954. I looked at the listing on the page and it included some states in the US. Missouri was one of them. So I clicked on Missouri and found a collection of records of early churches. So I clicked on the late 1800's and found that the cathedral records are there! I went into the records to see how well they are photographed and they look very good. The first records I saw were for baptisms in 1856 for a families named Boyle, McNabb, Kerns, Curran, etc. These are all records - not just French ones. This is exciting for people who don't have access to St. Louis early church records. I must say it was hard to find, though. http://content.ancestry.com/Browse/list.aspx?dbid=1111&path=Missouri The above URL is the one I used to find it. I don't know if it will work without a log in. As I said, I was searching Canada when I found them. You will need a full access subscription to Ancestry to access these files. I wish I had had more time to find out how many churches were there. If anyone else finds this treasure, please write down how you got there!!! Diane Shaw

Hi all- I wanted to give folks an update on the research I've been doing. With a lot of help from a lovely person in St Clair County, I was able to find where they are buried, by identifying the undertaker who took care of Fred. The undertaker was Joseph W Kurrus, and my great great grandparents were buried in Mount Carmel Catholic Cemetery in Belleville. Here is the link she gave me to the Kurrus family: http://www.riverweb.uiuc.edu/IBEX/nunes/esl%20history/kurrus_funeral_home.htm Thank you all for your assistance, and I'm still working on putting together their lives in St Louis. :) Kate in Charlottesville, VA --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

This is a part two of a two part transcription of a story that was published in the St. Louis Globe Democrat on 5-8-1927 Butcher Town Continued - part II of two parts W.D. Grant, a leading citizen of Butcher Town was regarded as arbiter of all disputes that arose there and was consulted in difficulties much more than the courts were. His slaughterhouse was the scene of many conferences and he was highly regarded. "In those days," Raining declares, "each fellow had money in his pocket. It was seldom that a butcher would go around with $200 or $300. They paid cash for everything and got cash for their meats. It was easy to borrow from a friend and they didn't want notes or interest like they do now." Lots of beer was drunk then too. When the butchers would get through with their killing, the saying would be "Well, let's go up and take one." and that was an invitation that never met a refusal. There was a garden at Taylor and Easton which was much frequented in the evenings and where steins were frequently emptied. But the butcher didn't have long at night to linger over his stein. The day started at 2 a.m., when the butcher arose, hitched his horses to his big wagon and drove off for the market place. Meat was not sold at stores throughout the city then, but all butchers were required to offer their product at Union, Biddle and Roundtop markets. Charles W. Ziegenbalg is another factor in the Butcher Town life. His place of business at Cote Brilliante and Vandeventer occupies the site of what was once a big pond. Here the butchers used to dump much of their waste. But the pond wasn't good for much else but skating in the winter time. Heavy rains usually made of it a nuisance and finally the butchers decided to drain it on east. But a river captain who had retired and settled down in a cottage near the water objected that the draining would despoil his property and a near approach to warfare resulted. For the fiery captain barricaded himself in the cottage with a couple of shotguns and threated to destroy all the butchers. The latter were unafraid, however and one night assembled and beat upon his cottage in such a determined manner that all the bluster was taken out of him. The pond eventually was drained through Mobdell (????) pipes to a sewer at Grand Ave. In the days of the World's Fair in St. Louis and for a long time thereafter, the Rough Riders, an organization of the younger men in Butcher Town played a more or less important and spectacular part in its affairs. This was an organization of youths in the uniform affected by T. Roosevelt's famous followers. All were mounted on fiery steeds and frequent were the parades in which they participated. Being a beneficent organization they always took part in funerals: but its riders showed to most advantage when participating in Labor Day, Fourth of July and other processions. Everybody had a horse or two. Instead of the automobile, which has now displaced it, the horse-drawn buggy was the accepted vehicle of courting and many were the ornamental rigs maintained in the district. Many had saddle and buggy horses but it was not uncommon either to see the animals which hauled the meat to the market dashing around in the evening with boy and girl side by side. But Butcher Town is now is not the Butcher Town of old. Perhaps a more fitting name in these times would be packing town, for the little places have grown to large ones and now the output of one of the packing houses will exceed many times the entire output of the 50 butchers who killed for their own trade. But the traditions and recollections of friendly living still prevail out there and this community still stands forth as distinctive among the many that make up St. Louis." end of story Diane Shaw Hillsboro, MO

This is a repeat of the first time I posted this in 2002. For some reason, it was not retained in the archives. Sorry. Diane Butcher Town part I - take 7 This is a story that was in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on May 8, 1927. It was written by a St. Louis Post Dispatch staff writer. "BUTCHER TOWN - A little known District of St. Louis The inhabitants of this part of the city are unified by trade interests and traditions of friendship and here is carried on the packing industry that has grown out of the enterprises of the first butchers." Three photos feature prominently in the page. The first photo is of Charles W. ZIGENBAIG, a prominent Butcher Town resident who conducts one of the larger industries. The second photo is of Henry KAISER, 93, one of the oldest residents of Butcher Town, who remembers well the early days of that unique part of St. Louis. The third photo is of William RAINING, 74, who conducted a grocery in Butcher Town. The story follows: "Butcher Town, not an epithet of disgust and dislike, nor a demeaning term applied by residents of more pretention neighborhoods to a section of the city, but an expressive and descriptive name for a district engaged in a particular trade within the confines of St. Louis. Butcher Town is a distinctive neighborhood, just as much so as Dago Hill and Kerry Patch, whose nomenclature is based on ethnological grounds and is descriptive of the nationality of the inhabitants, rather than a means of earning a living. It is a wide district of streets that wander around much like a country road. The meeting of Cote Brilliante and Vandeventer Avenues is probably the center of it: He who wishes to meander its ramifications has but to " follow his nose", for the abattoirs are apt to advertise their presence to the four winds. It is a district in which home life and industry are inextricably mingled; frequently the sheds of a slaughterhouse will be on the same lot as a residence or the residence itself used for business purposes. This is caused by the way in which the industry developed from small beginnings. At the start, Butcher Town was inhabited by small butchers, each of whom as he moved in built on his own lot or adjoining it a slaughter house. Some of these small tradesman remain in business today, or rather, their successsors do, carrying on in the ways of the previous century. Others have developed their business into fairly large packing houses which kill daily large numbers of animals and supply meat over a wide district. Therefore it is a district in which homes huddle against businesses where the owner of an industry lives in constant contact with it; where the folks at home are just as close to the factory as the workmen are and know just as much of the business. Peculiar in the this community is the fact that the sons more often follow in the footsteps in the business of their fathers than the average run of families. Many a substantial establishment which grew through the years as its founder's family grew, is now supporting several families - those of the founder's sons and daughters. Stalwart and homely, these people are loving the pleasures and associations of home for many of them never have been out of actual contact with parents, brothers and sisters. The neighborhood families too, especially those engaged directly in the butcher trade are in continual association that makes for a solidarity and friendship that is rare to these days of big cities where flats shelter numerous families that are unacquainted with one another. The beginnings of Butcher Town were in the early 1850's when the shops were grouped around twenty-second and Morgan St., a short distance outside the city limits. Henry Kaiser, 93, one of the pioneers, recalls that there were little farms in the vicinity of Ninth and Franklin Streets and the Three Mile House conducted by a Mr. Conrades at what is now Prairie and Easton is the only structure in the present Butcher Town vicinity, except a shanty further out that had been a school house. There were no streets downtown then and men had to wear hip boots to navigate the mud. Money was scarce; butchers got eight or nine dollars a month and their board; and it cost that much to get a pair of necessary boots which were made of tough leather. There was no water distribution system; no lights at night. People today do not appreciate the public service conveniences they get for practically nothing, he says. Ordinary cows cost five to eight dollars and corn fed steers were a little more. Most of these, however, were shipped to New Orleans on river boats and most found their way to eastern markets on coastwise ships from the Louisiana port. He (Kaiser) was sent to Lindell's farm at Natural Bridge and Grant roads to buy a calf and found the owner in knee britches and silk stockings, still wearing the Revolutionary period costume. The calf, which Kaiser describes as three times its size for its age costs $1.50 and would be work $30.00 today. Steaks were two for fifteen cents; extra large ones were ten cents a piece. William Raining, 74, of Raining Bros. grocers also is a 50 year resident of Butcher Town. He recalls that the driving of cattle through the streets was sometimes an exciting adventure. The influx of wild Texas steers helped enliven these trips. The drivers mounted, drove the herds along with much noise and cajolery and were alright until a steer would break away and would go seeking pastures new unmindful of the welfare and fears of women and girls who might be traversing the streets. Vandeventer Ave. was the city limits then. Part Two to follow: O