Okay, thanks Jim. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part one > Hi Anna: > > My first Brown came to America in 1865 from Manchester England, his name was Edward, he settled in Silver Mines then moved farther south not to many years later. He was the second to last tree member to come to America. The newest members to America were my Vies, also from England. The Rest of my tree hit our shores in the 1600s.----Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: brewer1954@earthlink.net<mailto:brewer1954@earthlink.net> > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:15 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part one > > > Hi James, > > My Brown's were from Shannon County, plus others, in Missouri. Ours came > from Virginia to Kentucky to Tennesee and landed in southern Missouri. Some > of the family went to northern Missouri after they crossed the Mississippi. > My branches from Shannon County, MO are Thomas and William Henry Brown. > Their parents were Jacob and Rebecca (Smallwood) Brown, both born in > Virginia. Jacob's father was James M. Brown. There were like 14 of these > kids. Does any of this match any of your information? > > Thanks for your time and God bless, > > Anna/MO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> > To: "mo-stlouis-metro-l rootsweb" <mo-stlouis-metro-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro-l@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:00 PM > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part one > > > > The Browns > > > > I started my search for the "Brown" branch on my family tree about five > years ago in 2002 only to discover that it was like trying to find a tree > limb that had broken off the family tree and floated down stream in a flood > of other Brown families, a search so aggravating it was like slogging > through a boggy bottom of pure Mississippi flood plain mud. But being a man > of pure steel, I slogged on mightily and persevered. > > > > OK, I may be stretching that just a little mite, but I did > provide the leg work for one Megan Smolenyak who is a professional > Genealogist back in New Jersey and writes some pretty good stories for > Ancestry Dot Com Magazine. One of which is the story about how I found the > whole missing tribe of the Poplar Bluff Browns who I couldn't find, no > matter where I searched for five years. In the story are two pictures, one > is a picture of my gr-grandfather, Septimus Brown, the other picture is of > his third wife, Mary Ellen Berry and is the picture found in the junkyard. > To read that story, go to the following site: > > > > > http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/<http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/<http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/%3Chttp://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/>> > > > > > > > > Now then, being a humble man and not one to brag, I feel it's my patriotic > duty to point out that in the March 2007 issue of Ancestry Dot Com Magazine, > Susan Sarandon got top billing over my family story by seven full pages. Her > story, "Susan Catches Wales," about her origins in Wales, appears on page > 39, my story, "She Had Me at Junkyard," appears on page 46. The point is; at > the end of each story "Ancestry" allows for comments. Her story received No > comments, my story was the highest rated at 26 comments. > > > > Guess all this means, is that because of some of her comments > in the media, most folks are hoping she might want to return to her family > roots, although no one said so in so many words. > > > > Betty Mae Brown > > > > Betty Mae Brown; what can you say about Betty Mae Brown? I know what I can > say about Betty Mae Brown, Brasher, Stephenson. I can say plenty. > > > > > > > > The first thing I can say is that she was my father's mother. Then I can > say that her life was like a beautiful opera done by a mighty orchestra > known across the land for its mellifluous sounds that poured out of the > honey dispenser of life like a warm, sweet, smooth flowing stream that > saturated life's pancake to anyone's great satisfaction. I could then add > that when she moved to Hollywood, back in the 1920s, she became one of > America's most revered movie actresses. > > > > But if I said all that, I'd be lying like a low down dirty dog > and some unkind person might come along and say, "Jim, you're so full of > baloney, you ought to be hung no later than next Tuesday." The only thing > true about the above paragraph is that she was my father's mother. Betty > Mae's life was more like a discordant heavy metal rock band in the final > throes of its own agonizing demise from brittle rickets rather than a smooth > flowing Symphony. And smooth flowing? "No," more like a mud slide of sticky > honey with a hornet, butt up, just waiting for an unsuspecting person to > take a bite of her life's pancake. > > > > There was no denying she had the power to make many innocent > manly hearts to beat like tom toms at her approach because her physical > attributes were many. She was in a single word, "beautiful," at least on the > outside. However, inside she was a wrinkled witch that would soon be found > out by many misguided males who thought they would venture just one chamber > of their heart. The ones who stuck around soon discovered they were in dire > need of a complete heart transplant. She was mostly vain and self centered. > > > > The male of this story that concerns me most was Betty Mae's > first husband, Ralph Waldo Brasher Sr, my grandfather who was also not > wholly loved by everyone in the family; Ralph could be rather thorny himself > at times. But know this; I loved this thorny, aggravating, bigoted, old > grump very much, because he was my teacher in life and never gave up on me > no matter how goofy I acted. He was just as ready to smack me in the mouth > at thirty three as he was when I was sixteen, simply because he cared. > "Confound it," that man was a trial in my life, without him I could have > become as famous a gangster as my uncle Bow Wow. (More later) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsw eb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>). > Version: 6.0.806 / Virus Database: 548 - Release Date: 12/5/2004 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsw eb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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I searched N. M. Railroad on the Missouriana Digital Text Collection and got a page advertising the North Missouri RR, serving St. Louis, Kansas City, St. Joseph, and Omaha. Lynne in Va ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 5/21/2007 1:31:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bdoerr@msm.umr.edu writes: BUT the N.M., if that is meant ot refer to the North Missouri, is confusing; the North Missouri ran Hannibal to St. Joseph. Any ideas? ______________________________ How 'bout this from: _http://tacnet.missouri.org/history/encycmo/encycmorr.html#NM_ (http://tacnet.missouri.org/history/encycmo/encycmorr.html#NM) The Encyclopedia of the History of Missouri was edited by Howard L. Conard and published by the Southern History Company, of New York, Louisville, and St. Louis, in 1901. The University of Missouri Library has made available the entire contents of the 6 volume set on its website as part of the _Virtually Missouri_ (http://www.virtuallymissouri.org/) project. The books are in a section called _Missouri: Its History, Geology and Culture_ (http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=umlib;cc=umlib;tpl=home.tpl) . Dan McGuire North Missouri Railroad North Missouri Railroad. The North Missouri Railroad was incorporated March 3, 1851, to build a railroad from St. Charles, Missouri to the Iowa state line. The incorporators were residents of the counties on the line of the proposed route. In 1852 the charter was amended to as to allow the road to be extended to St. Louis and at a meeting of the stockholders held in St. Louis June 11, 1853, Frederick Schulenberg, Lewis Bissell, Gerald B. Allen, Thos. L. Sturgeon, Francis Yosti, Charles D. Drake, Arnold Krekel, James T. Sweringen, James S. Rollins, Calvin Case, and William G. Moore were chosen directors. John O'Fallon was made president, E. C. Willis secretary and treasurer, and C. D. Drake counselor. At the next election Colonel O'Fallon declined a re-election, and Isaac H. Sturgeon was chosen in his stead. In 1855 the company received from the State a loan of $1,000,000 in bonds for the purchase of iron and rolling stock for the line south of the Hannibal & St. Joseph Railroad, with which it made connection, and it reached Warrenton in 1855, Mexico in 1858, and Macon February 1, 1859. Under the charter ferriage across the Missouri River at St. Charles was necessary, requiring unloading cars on one side and reloading upon the other side. In 1864 the loaded cars were first ferried across the river and this method was maintained until the St. Charles bridge was built. In 1865 first mortgage bonds were issued to the amount of $6,000,000 and the northern branch and the main line to Kansas City were completed, and the proposed bridge built. The name of the road was afterward changed to the St. Louis, Kansas City & Northern, and subsequently it passed into the hands of the "Wabash Railroad Company". (See Wabash Railroad). [Emphasis Added] ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi James, My Brown's were from Shannon County, plus others, in Missouri. Ours came from Virginia to Kentucky to Tennesee and landed in southern Missouri. Some of the family went to northern Missouri after they crossed the Mississippi. My branches from Shannon County, MO are Thomas and William Henry Brown. Their parents were Jacob and Rebecca (Smallwood) Brown, both born in Virginia. Jacob's father was James M. Brown. There were like 14 of these kids. Does any of this match any of your information? Thanks for your time and God bless, Anna/MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com> To: "mo-stlouis-metro-l rootsweb" <mo-stlouis-metro-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part one > The Browns > > I started my search for the "Brown" branch on my family tree about five years ago in 2002 only to discover that it was like trying to find a tree limb that had broken off the family tree and floated down stream in a flood of other Brown families, a search so aggravating it was like slogging through a boggy bottom of pure Mississippi flood plain mud. But being a man of pure steel, I slogged on mightily and persevered. > > OK, I may be stretching that just a little mite, but I did provide the leg work for one Megan Smolenyak who is a professional Genealogist back in New Jersey and writes some pretty good stories for Ancestry Dot Com Magazine. One of which is the story about how I found the whole missing tribe of the Poplar Bluff Browns who I couldn't find, no matter where I searched for five years. In the story are two pictures, one is a picture of my gr-grandfather, Septimus Brown, the other picture is of his third wife, Mary Ellen Berry and is the picture found in the junkyard. To read that story, go to the following site: > > http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/<http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/> > > > > Now then, being a humble man and not one to brag, I feel it's my patriotic duty to point out that in the March 2007 issue of Ancestry Dot Com Magazine, Susan Sarandon got top billing over my family story by seven full pages. Her story, "Susan Catches Wales," about her origins in Wales, appears on page 39, my story, "She Had Me at Junkyard," appears on page 46. The point is; at the end of each story "Ancestry" allows for comments. Her story received No comments, my story was the highest rated at 26 comments. > > Guess all this means, is that because of some of her comments in the media, most folks are hoping she might want to return to her family roots, although no one said so in so many words. > > Betty Mae Brown > > Betty Mae Brown; what can you say about Betty Mae Brown? I know what I can say about Betty Mae Brown, Brasher, Stephenson. I can say plenty. > > > > The first thing I can say is that she was my father's mother. Then I can say that her life was like a beautiful opera done by a mighty orchestra known across the land for its mellifluous sounds that poured out of the honey dispenser of life like a warm, sweet, smooth flowing stream that saturated life's pancake to anyone's great satisfaction. I could then add that when she moved to Hollywood, back in the 1920s, she became one of America's most revered movie actresses. > > But if I said all that, I'd be lying like a low down dirty dog and some unkind person might come along and say, "Jim, you're so full of baloney, you ought to be hung no later than next Tuesday." The only thing true about the above paragraph is that she was my father's mother. Betty Mae's life was more like a discordant heavy metal rock band in the final throes of its own agonizing demise from brittle rickets rather than a smooth flowing Symphony. And smooth flowing? "No," more like a mud slide of sticky honey with a hornet, butt up, just waiting for an unsuspecting person to take a bite of her life's pancake. > > There was no denying she had the power to make many innocent manly hearts to beat like tom toms at her approach because her physical attributes were many. She was in a single word, "beautiful," at least on the outside. However, inside she was a wrinkled witch that would soon be found out by many misguided males who thought they would venture just one chamber of their heart. The ones who stuck around soon discovered they were in dire need of a complete heart transplant. She was mostly vain and self centered. > > The male of this story that concerns me most was Betty Mae's first husband, Ralph Waldo Brasher Sr, my grandfather who was also not wholly loved by everyone in the family; Ralph could be rather thorny himself at times. But know this; I loved this thorny, aggravating, bigoted, old grump very much, because he was my teacher in life and never gave up on me no matter how goofy I acted. He was just as ready to smack me in the mouth at thirty three as he was when I was sixteen, simply because he cared. "Confound it," that man was a trial in my life, without him I could have become as famous a gangster as my uncle Bow Wow. 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"Whooosh," guess I can go back to sleep if it ain't the New Mexico line.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: dan hogan<mailto:hogan-4@sbcglobal.net> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 It is unlikely that NM stands for New Mexico, as it was a territory at the time and did not have any rail roads. I also noticed that the MO-Pacific RR is not mentioned, could the P. R.R. possibly be the MO-Pacific RR? This would have been the main East-West line extending to meet the RR coming out from CA; recall the great race they had to see which line could lay the most track. Dan Hogan --- JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> wrote: > I'll keep my eye peeled just in case it is New > Mexico.----Jim > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. > Louis, 1860 > > > New Mexico? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > Doerr<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu%3Cmailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu>>> > Cc: Stauter, Mark > C.<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com%3Cmailto:mstauter@fidnet.com>>> > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. > Louis, 1860 > > > Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 > > > > Perusing the St. Louis city directory for 1860, > one sees references to the following: > > P. .R.R. > > I.M. R.R. > > N.M. R.R. > > Pennsylvania R.R. > > St. Louis R.R. > > St. Louis, Alton and Chicago R.R. > > "P. R.R" seems ambiguous; it could be the Pennsy > or the Pacific. > > The I.M. seems to the the Iron Mountain. > > BUT the N.M., if that is meant ot refer to the > North Missouri, is confusing; the North Missouri ran > Hannibal to St. Joseph. > > Any ideas? > > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri > Chapter, Nature Conservancy Dan Hogan hogan-4@sbcglobal.net<mailto:hogan-4@sbcglobal.net> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is unlikely that NM stands for New Mexico, as it was a territory at the time and did not have any rail roads. I also noticed that the MO-Pacific RR is not mentioned, could the P. R.R. possibly be the MO-Pacific RR? This would have been the main East-West line extending to meet the RR coming out from CA; recall the great race they had to see which line could lay the most track. Dan Hogan --- JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com> wrote: > I'll keep my eye peeled just in case it is New > Mexico.----Jim > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. > Louis, 1860 > > > New Mexico? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob > Doerr<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu>> > Cc: Stauter, Mark > C.<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com>> > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. > Louis, 1860 > > > Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 > > > > Perusing the St. Louis city directory for 1860, > one sees references to the following: > > P. .R.R. > > I.M. R.R. > > N.M. R.R. > > Pennsylvania R.R. > > St. Louis R.R. > > St. Louis, Alton and Chicago R.R. > > "P. R.R" seems ambiguous; it could be the Pennsy > or the Pacific. > > The I.M. seems to the the Iron Mountain. > > BUT the N.M., if that is meant ot refer to the > North Missouri, is confusing; the North Missouri ran > Hannibal to St. Joseph. > > Any ideas? > > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri > Chapter, Nature Conservancy Dan Hogan hogan-4@sbcglobal.net

I'll keep my eye peeled just in case it is New Mexico.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 New Mexico? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Doerr<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu>> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Cc: Stauter, Mark C.<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 Perusing the St. Louis city directory for 1860, one sees references to the following: P. .R.R. I.M. R.R. N.M. R.R. Pennsylvania R.R. St. Louis R.R. St. Louis, Alton and Chicago R.R. "P. R.R" seems ambiguous; it could be the Pennsy or the Pacific. The I.M. seems to the the Iron Mountain. BUT the N.M., if that is meant ot refer to the North Missouri, is confusing; the North Missouri ran Hannibal to St. Joseph. Any ideas? Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree - it would have had to have been NM & something Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Doerr<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 In St. Louis in 1860? Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <GMECPA@aol.com<mailto:GMECPA@aol.com>> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 > New Mexico?? > > Lynne in Virginia > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

New Mexico? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Doerr<mailto:bdoerr@msm.umr.edu> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Cc: Stauter, Mark C.<mailto:mstauter@fidnet.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 Perusing the St. Louis city directory for 1860, one sees references to the following: P. .R.R. I.M. R.R. N.M. R.R. Pennsylvania R.R. St. Louis R.R. St. Louis, Alton and Chicago R.R. "P. R.R" seems ambiguous; it could be the Pennsy or the Pacific. The I.M. seems to the the Iron Mountain. BUT the N.M., if that is meant ot refer to the North Missouri, is confusing; the North Missouri ran Hannibal to St. Joseph. Any ideas? Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In St. Louis in 1860? Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <GMECPA@aol.com> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 > New Mexico?? > > Lynne in Virginia > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

New Mexico?? Lynne in Virginia ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Railroads, St. Louis, 1860 Perusing the St. Louis city directory for 1860, one sees references to the following: P. .R.R. I.M. R.R. N.M. R.R. Pennsylvania R.R. St. Louis R.R. St. Louis, Alton and Chicago R.R. "P. R.R" seems ambiguous; it could be the Pennsy or the Pacific. The I.M. seems to the the Iron Mountain. BUT the N.M., if that is meant ot refer to the North Missouri, is confusing; the North Missouri ran Hannibal to St. Joseph. Any ideas? Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy

Sorry Carrie, I didn't know her. I didn't live there & just visited or stayed weekends. I lived in Webster at St.Joseph Girls home, Sisters of Mercy Convent on Laclede Station Rd.

This message is for Fran Vaughn: Fran, you said your friend lived on Arsenal St. in 1953. I wish I could help you find her, as I can see how much it would mean to you to reconnect with her. Unfortunately, I wasn't even born until a few years after that. However, I also have a question that I was wondering if you might know. You didn't mention if you yourself lived on Arsenal St. or not, but it sounded like you might have lived closeby. My mother lived on Arsenal also in the 1950's and was wondering if maybe you might have heard her name-Marjorie Terry. She may have gone by the name Pat, but most likely, "Marge". My father's name was Lewis Terry and my brother, Michael, was born in 1953, although I think they lived on Academy until right after he was born. I know they were living on Arsenal when I was born. Thanks, Carrie ----- Original Message ---- From: "mo-stlouis-metro-request@rootsweb.com" <mo-stlouis-metro-request@rootsweb.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:00:40 AM Subject: MO-STLOUIS-METRO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 70 Today's Topics: 1. Re: NONNENKAMP/BUHRICHTER/SCHROEDER/SIEBELTS marriages inSt Louis (mmolner106@aol.com) 2. Looking for an old friend (franvaughn@sbcglobal.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:52:42 -0400 From: mmolner106@aol.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] NONNENKAMP/BUHRICHTER/SCHROEDER/SIEBELTS marriages inSt Louis To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C969272E45F036-A9C-791F@WEBMAIL-DC09.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have connections to the Buhrichter and Schroeder families you mention and can give you the towns in Hanover where they originated if you are interested. Just contact me - they are in my tree. Mary Ann -----Original Message----- From: sirseah@sbcglobal.net To: mo-stlouis-metro-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] NONNENKAMP/BUHRICHTER/SCHROEDER/SIEBELTS marriages inSt Louis On St Joseph Catholic Church marriages 1843-1853, two Nonnenkamp marriages in 1849: ELISABETH NONNENKAMP to Bernard Joseph BUHRICHTER on 25 Sept 1849 JOSEPH NONNENKAMP to ANGELA SCHRODER [SCHROEDER] on 13 Nov 1849 [Francis Nonnenkamp & Catherine Maria Dieckhof are parents of both Elisabeth & Joseph] Additionally, AUGUSTA NONNEKAMP married Heinrich Wilhelm SIEBELTS on 15 Jan 1865 Augusta was born abt 1848 in Oldenburg. Siebelts probably a Lutheran. Likely not the same family. However, in 1860 census, CATHERINE NONEKAMP 62 <1798> was living in this household: John GREFENKAMP 40 <1820> grocer worth $20,000/500 born Oldenburg Elizabeth 39 <1821> born Hanover Children all born MO, Mary 1845, John 1848, Elizabeth 1849, Catherine 1851, Mena 1854, Rosa 1856, and Henry 1858. Also Henry Thias 20, clerk, born Hanover. Then in 1880 census, KATE NONNENKAMP 87 <1793> was living in this household: Bernard SCHROEDER 58 <1822> retired grocer born Hanover MARY " 50 <1830> born Hanover Children all born MO. Kate 1864, Margareth 1867, Agnes 1872. Lived in 3rd Ward at 700 N. Eleventh Street. If Kate and Catherine are one and the same, then it may be that she first lived with daughter Elizabeth <1821>, then Mary <1830>. Both daughters married grocers. By the 1880 census, it looks as if John GREFENKAMP's wife may have died. John H. GREFENKAMP 58, grocer, born 'Altonborg?/ Fetenborg? Elizabeth 21 <1859> same name as first wife, much younger JOSEPH 19 <1861> son of first wife FRANSISKA , 10 months, new daughter Living at 901 Barlow in 3rd ward. Next door at 902 Barlow is possibly a sister? or widow of his brother ? Mary GREFENKAMP, 57 <1823> born Germany John LAHLA, 50 shoemaker, Germany and wife Susanna 64. [All images from Heritage Quest] Not my family, but an interesting study. Is anyone looking for these folk ?? Kitty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:42:24 -0500 From: <franvaughn@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Looking for an old friend To: "StLouis" <MO-STLOUIS-METRO@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000801c79b1f$5fa3cbd0$6701a8c0@yourxb2x7j77gn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am looking for an old friend, Rosemary Jackson, that lived on Arsenal St. in St.Louis in 1953. She & her family moved sometime after that & I lost track of her. We worked together at St. John's Hosp. in 1952 or 53 and "hung out' together until some stupidity on my part. I think she went to Rositi Kain High in her Jr. year, but not sure if she changed schools when she moved. Would love to hear from her again. Fran (Gill) Vaughn ------------------------------ To contact the MO-STLOUIS-METRO list administrator, send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MO-STLOUIS-METRO mailing list, send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MO-STLOUIS-METRO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 70 *********************************************** ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. 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I am looking for an old friend, Rosemary Jackson, that lived on Arsenal St. in St.Louis in 1953. She & her family moved sometime after that & I lost track of her. We worked together at St. John's Hosp. in 1952 or 53 and "hung out' together until some stupidity on my part. I think she went to Rositi Kain High in her Jr. year, but not sure if she changed schools when she moved. Would love to hear from her again. Fran (Gill) Vaughn

I have connections to the Buhrichter and Schroeder families you mention and can give you the towns in Hanover where they originated if you are interested. Just contact me - they are in my tree. Mary Ann -----Original Message----- From: sirseah@sbcglobal.net To: mo-stlouis-metro-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 19 May 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] NONNENKAMP/BUHRICHTER/SCHROEDER/SIEBELTS marriages inSt Louis On St Joseph Catholic Church marriages 1843-1853, two Nonnenkamp marriages in 1849: ELISABETH NONNENKAMP to Bernard Joseph BUHRICHTER on 25 Sept 1849 JOSEPH NONNENKAMP to ANGELA SCHRODER [SCHROEDER] on 13 Nov 1849 [Francis Nonnenkamp & Catherine Maria Dieckhof are parents of both Elisabeth & Joseph] Additionally, AUGUSTA NONNEKAMP married Heinrich Wilhelm SIEBELTS on 15 Jan 1865 Augusta was born abt 1848 in Oldenburg. Siebelts probably a Lutheran. Likely not the same family. However, in 1860 census, CATHERINE NONEKAMP 62 <1798> was living in this household: John GREFENKAMP 40 <1820> grocer worth $20,000/500 born Oldenburg Elizabeth 39 <1821> born Hanover Children all born MO, Mary 1845, John 1848, Elizabeth 1849, Catherine 1851, Mena 1854, Rosa 1856, and Henry 1858. Also Henry Thias 20, clerk, born Hanover. Then in 1880 census, KATE NONNENKAMP 87 <1793> was living in this household: Bernard SCHROEDER 58 <1822> retired grocer born Hanover MARY " 50 <1830> born Hanover Children all born MO. Kate 1864, Margareth 1867, Agnes 1872. Lived in 3rd Ward at 700 N. Eleventh Street. If Kate and Catherine are one and the same, then it may be that she first lived with daughter Elizabeth <1821>, then Mary <1830>. Both daughters married grocers. By the 1880 census, it looks as if John GREFENKAMP's wife may have died. John H. GREFENKAMP 58, grocer, born 'Altonborg?/ Fetenborg? Elizabeth 21 <1859> same name as first wife, much younger JOSEPH 19 <1861> son of first wife FRANSISKA , 10 months, new daughter Living at 901 Barlow in 3rd ward. Next door at 902 Barlow is possibly a sister? or widow of his brother ? Mary GREFENKAMP, 57 <1823> born Germany John LAHLA, 50 shoemaker, Germany and wife Susanna 64. [All images from Heritage Quest] Not my family, but an interesting study. Is anyone looking for these folk ?? Kitty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

On St Joseph Catholic Church marriages 1843-1853, two Nonnenkamp marriages in 1849: ELISABETH NONNENKAMP to Bernard Joseph BUHRICHTER on 25 Sept 1849 JOSEPH NONNENKAMP to ANGELA SCHRODER [SCHROEDER] on 13 Nov 1849 [Francis Nonnenkamp & Catherine Maria Dieckhof are parents of both Elisabeth & Joseph] Additionally, AUGUSTA NONNEKAMP married Heinrich Wilhelm SIEBELTS on 15 Jan 1865 Augusta was born abt 1848 in Oldenburg. Siebelts probably a Lutheran. Likely not the same family. However, in 1860 census, CATHERINE NONEKAMP 62 <1798> was living in this household: John GREFENKAMP 40 <1820> grocer worth $20,000/500 born Oldenburg Elizabeth 39 <1821> born Hanover Children all born MO, Mary 1845, John 1848, Elizabeth 1849, Catherine 1851, Mena 1854, Rosa 1856, and Henry 1858. Also Henry Thias 20, clerk, born Hanover. Then in 1880 census, KATE NONNENKAMP 87 <1793> was living in this household: Bernard SCHROEDER 58 <1822> retired grocer born Hanover MARY " 50 <1830> born Hanover Children all born MO. Kate 1864, Margareth 1867, Agnes 1872. Lived in 3rd Ward at 700 N. Eleventh Street. If Kate and Catherine are one and the same, then it may be that she first lived with daughter Elizabeth <1821>, then Mary <1830>. Both daughters married grocers. By the 1880 census, it looks as if John GREFENKAMP's wife may have died. John H. GREFENKAMP 58, grocer, born 'Altonborg?/ Fetenborg? Elizabeth 21 <1859> same name as first wife, much younger JOSEPH 19 <1861> son of first wife FRANSISKA , 10 months, new daughter Living at 901 Barlow in 3rd ward. Next door at 902 Barlow is possibly a sister? or widow of his brother ? Mary GREFENKAMP, 57 <1823> born Germany John LAHLA, 50 shoemaker, Germany and wife Susanna 64. [All images from Heritage Quest] Not my family, but an interesting study. Is anyone looking for these folk ?? Kitty

Hi Alex: Mine were Nunnenkamps but I assume the spellings could have been interchangeable at some point. They were also from Hannover. The Belgian connection would not be surprising given the location near Westphalia/Hannover. However, my Maria Elizabeth Nunnenkamp (nee Kalmer [Kollmer]) was the sister to my ggg and was born 2 Sep 1812 in Laer/Melle in southern Hannover. My notes show that she was born in the Stoltmann Kotten (home) and her godmother was Maria Elizabeth Stoltmann (nee Grieving) I also have Schroeders but that. of course, is like being related to a Smith. I don't show either Reininger or Ikemeyer relations. I don't show a brother Joseph either. I show only sisters Anna Maria Theresia, born 1807 and Maria Gertrud, born 1807. Over the years there has been this touch & go with various other Nonnenkamps (I remember a fellow from Oklahoma some years ago - we thought we had something, but, alas . .) Gary Original Message ----- From: ladyslipper_entre-nous<mailto:toadsmoor@yahoo.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Nonnenkamp-for Gary S Gary, My Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp had a brother named Joseph. Other surnames connected to this family are: Schroeder; Reininger and Ikemeyer. My Nonnenkamps appear to have come from Hanover as well. Another Nonnenkamp researcher named Marc Nonnenkamp said that the name originated in Belgium. Maria Elizabeth and Joseph may have had other siblings. That I do not know as yet. Let me know if any of these names are in your family. Thanks Alex in Missouri ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front<http://games.yahoo.com/games/front> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gary, My Maria Elizabeth Nonnenkamp had a brother named Joseph. Other surnames connected to this family are: Schroeder; Reininger and Ikemeyer. My Nonnenkamps appear to have come from Hanover as well. Another Nonnenkamp researcher named Marc Nonnenkamp said that the name originated in Belgium. Maria Elizabeth and Joseph may have had other siblings. That I do not know as yet. Let me know if any of these names are in your family. Thanks Alex in Missouri ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front

The Missouri State Archives online death certificate website is now working. You can view and/or download the death certificates. -----Original Message----- From: mo-stlouis-metro-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mo-stlouis-metro-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bobbie Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:10 AM To: Xann55@aol.com; mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] MO archives PDF Images You must save them to your harddrive. Then highlight them and right click on your mouse. Then you must click on "open with" and pick Adobe Reader. For some reason my 4.0 and 8.0 Adobe Readers do not want to open these files directly. Bobbie From: Xann55@aol.com Date sent: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:54:34 EDT To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] MO archives PDF Images Send reply to: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com > > I can get them to open, but they are empty, except in a couple of cases > there is an embalming record on the bottom of page 2. I don't recall that being > there before. Nice to know it's not my machine!! > > > In a message dated 5/14/2007 12:02:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > mo-stlouis-metro-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > Is anyone else having problems opening the pdf images at the mo Archive's? I > keep getting a web server error on every pdf file I try to open. > > Thank you > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message