In a message dated 5/24/2007 3:44:08 PM Central Standard Time, toadsmoor@yahoo.com writes: Marsha, is there a blood relationship between the Greffenkamps and the Nonnenkamps, do you know? (mid 1800s, St. Louis, MO) Thanks. Alex, in Missouri There is a H. Nonnenkamp female lving with the Greffenkamp family in a census and is listed as (Mother-in-law). She is the mother to my Augusta Nonnenkamp (great grand mother) and in another census she is living with the Light family also as (Mother-in-Law) and Christine Light the sister to my Nonnenkamp relative. Siebelts / Nonnenkamp bill hinkle Ps: it is strange a census taker would only list a persons first name by the inital. Pss: that would also make the Female Greffenkamp my Great Grand Mothers sister also ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hey Jim.............hope all is well. I am still enjoying your wonderful stories. Mary JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com> wrote: Betty Mae Brown and Ralph Waldo Brasher are married March 30, 1915 in Cape Girardeau, MO by a justice of the peace. They will have two children. Children of Ralph Waldo and Betty May Brasher Sr 1. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, b: Feb 19, 1916 Cape Girardeau, MO. --d: Jun 6, 1971 California. 2. Nolda May Brasher, b: Jan 9, 1918 St Louis, MO--d: Nov 13, 2000 Florida Ralph and Betty would divorce about 1919 and Betty would fade away until about 1923. The 1920 census shows Ralph Sr and his two children living with his mother and Stepfather in St Louis, MO, it reads: McClard David, Head, age: 38, married. Laura, wife, age: 44, married. Brasher Ralph, stepson, age: 25, Divorced. Nolda, stepgranddau. Age: 1 4/12 sing. Ralph Jr, stepgrandson., age: 3 3/12, sing. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, born Feb 9, 1916 and Florence Margaret McQuillen, born Jan 17, 1915, married May 5, 1933. Ralph Jr and Florence would divorce in 1949. But even though they did, they would remain stepbrother and stepsister. Ralph Sr, my father's father, married Mabel Vie, my mother's mother on May 19, 1934 just one year and two weeks after their kids married. The older couple would remain married until their deaths in 1968, both being buried in Cuba, Missouri. Life Goes On After I reached my late teens, just prior to going into the Army, I returned to visit my grandmother, Mabel, many times in Cuba, Missouri on their farm. I never visited Ralph, he was too damn hard headed and by the time I reached nineteen I knew everything in the world anyway and didn't need his advice about anything. Still, I enjoyed talking to the old grump and listening to what he had to say, I just was not about to admit that anything he had to say was worthy of my consideration. I was still mad at him for hitting me on the head with a piece of stove wood a couple of years previous. To make matters worse, he didn't even feel guilty even a smidgeon about being a homicidal maniac the night he caught me coming home so late. He didn't even care that I was in love that night and she was to blame for my transgression and here I was an almost fully grown sixteen year old man coming home at only midnight. But, life does truly go on. On my visits to the farm in later years I did look forward to listening to Ralph's stories and it was while we sat on the front porch in the evenings that Ralph would start telling me a little bit about his life. One subject he covered was Betty Mae Brown. His stories about Betty always seemed to come in bits and pieces and took over ten years to tell. It was during one of these talk sessions that Ralph gave me two pictures of Betty's that I still have today. One picture was of Betty taken about 1904 or 1905 when she was five or six years old with an unknown lady named Isis Coffman taken in Paragould, Arkansas, this information comes from the back of the picture. The other picture was a tin type bent at the edges and somewhat faded of a confederate soldier. The confederate soldier I am guessing is Betty Mae's grandfather, James W. Roper. I noticed early on, that every time Ralph talked about Betty, two things never changed; he always called her "Mae" and he always said, "Mae was such a liar that you could never be totally sure what the truth was." From the first time I met her at age eight, she called herself Betty and I always felt she was hiding something, she always reminded me of the lady who pinched little kids when their parents weren't looking to make them cry so that they would get away and leave her alone. The evening Ralph gave me the picture of Betty Mae and Isis Coffman I asked, "Gramps, who is this?" "That's your grandmother, Mae Brown." "You mean dad's mother and your first wife?" "Yep, do you want to hear the story behind it as she told it to me?" "I sure would," said I. "Well. . ." That picture of Mae and the ugly woman with her was taken in Paragould, Arkansas one day when Mae was a little girl and visiting off the plantation while riding the train on an excursion trip to see part of the world. "Hey, wait a minute gramps, what the heck do you mean plantation?" "Well, Mae claimed that she came from a very wealthy family who owned a cotton farm over in Ellsinore before her mother died." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Madi: The Baders I knew lived in University City and would probably be buried out there.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis Burials - Wives of Matthais Bader. It might be possible, but the direct line moved to St. Clair in the 1800s. I don't know if the family you speak of might be related. Matthais Sr. bought a farm in St. Clair. To my knowledge the family stayed there. His son Henry Martin was my grandfather. He worked for the RR in St. Louis, and later in Scott City/Illmo [down by Cape Girardeau]. They stayed there most of his life. Henry Jr., my father, worked in St. Louis in the mid-50s, but for Fisher Auto Body, roughly 1955-7. There may have been other Baders in St. Louis, and there's a pocket out in St. Genevieve. I suspect they're related somehow, but havent been able to track much down yet. Sorry we're not the ones you knew. Madi ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis Burials - Wives of Matthais Bader. Date: 5/24/2007 2:37:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com>_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>) To: _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>_ (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>) Sent on: Hi Madelyn: I saw this e-mail after I replied to your other one on Septimus. You posted this one about your Bader family and I am wondering if you may not be related to the Bader family I worked for in the early 1950s in Downtown St Louis. Was your family in the Art Supply business? I delivered Art Supplies for them in 1952 when I was a young and upcoming 17 year old rush about.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol.com>> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis Burials - Wives of Matthais Bader. Hello. I am trying to locate two burials, both wives of Matthias Bader, and both believed to be buried somewhere in St. Louis. Questions at bottom. Here is what I know. Matthias Bader, b. 1828 Dunstelkingen, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg, arrived on ship from Germany at New York Aug 17 1854. Family report says he went to Wisconsin - I have no confirmation of that, and have been unable to find anything that says so. He then went to Illinois. This I know is likely as he has a daughter, Anna, who came to St. Louis with him. So at some point, he married. Possibly Married 9 Mar 1858 Illinois or Wisconsin? Wife's name unknown. Anna Bader, b. abt 1865, accdg to census records. Matthias Bader Jr. B. 23 Jan 1869, St. Louis. [So I am assuming the first wife was here at that time.] 13 July 1869, St. Louis Married Maria Anna Leppert [Maria and her family lived in the hotel/boarding house he ran, she was the widow of Georg Hitzler, and had 2-3 children of her own, which I have not been able to track down. One was born on ship coming to the USA]. Margret Bader B. 5 Aug 1871 Joseph Bader B. 6 Mar 1873 George Bader B. May 1876 July 1876, moved to St. Clair Missouri soon after this. M. Christina Luchsinger Henry Martin Bader, b.18 Dec 1877 Joseph Bader, b 19 Oct 1882 John Bader, b. April 1884 Willam Bader, B. Dec 1889 The questions I am looking for answer to involve these. Who was wife number 1, where did they marry and when? Were Anna and Matthias the only children of that marriage? Where is wife #1 buried? Where is Georg Hitzler buried and when did he die? Where is Maria Anna Leppert Hitzler Bader buried and when did she die? Anyone have suggestions for searches? I've done mostly online searching since I'm not in the St. Louis area. I did try the catholic cemeteries that were online, and didn't find, but the name Bader gets butchered. I've seen it as Boder, Bader, Badger, Bauer, Buder, Beiter. Mathais is alternately spelled either way, Matthais, or Matthias. Thanks in advance for any help and advice. Madelyn B. - Henry Bader Jr. -Henry Bader, Sr - Matthais Bader ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/<http://www.aol.com%3chttp//www.aolcom/>>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

--------------- Marsha, is there a blood relationship between the Greffenkamps and the Nonnenkamps, do you know? (mid 1800s, St. Louis, MO) Thanks. Alex, in Missouri --------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php

"You mean her mother's family owned a cotton Plantation in Missouri and were wealthy?" "Nope, but that's what she claimed." "Well for heaven's sake what was the truth, was she lying? She does look wealthy in that picture." "Guess I better go get the picture of the General." "The General, You mean she was a General's daughter?" "Nope, she said she was a General's granddaughter who fought in North Carolina in 1864." Well what do you know about that? My grandmother was a Confederate General's granddaughter who had fought in the Civil War in North Carolina. Wasn't that something? When gramps got back and sat down, he handed me a tin type of a rather handsome young confederate soldier. "Who's this gramps?" "That's her grandfather the Confederate General," said Ralph. "Just wait a minute," I said. "This guy has no insignia of rank, he's not wearing a hat, and he has a powder horn strap over his shoulder. This is no General." "Jim how can you be so damn smart and be such a dummy? Didn't you hear me the first time tell you Mae lies like a worn out rug?" "Well, Yeh, but why would she lie like that?" "Because that was just plain old Betty Mae Brown." I would later discover in my family research that Betty Mae Brown did indeed live on a plantation in Ellsinore, Missouri at one time. It may not have been as big and grand as some, but they did plant a few rows of corn and some beans and tomatoes. A Little Filler Dropping back a little we find the marriage of Septimus Brown and Josie Rover July 25, 1897 in Van Buren, Missouri. Their marriage license reads: Septimus Brown of Ellsinore, County of Carter, State of Missouri who is over 21 years and Josie Rover of Ellsinore who is over the age of 18 years. This is to certify that the undersigned, Johnathon Wood did at the Residence of Rover on the 25th of July AD 1897 unite in marriage the above couple. (Always you must remain vigilant when reading the name; Rover in truth is Roper.) The same year of 1897 we find an entry in the Tax records at the county seat of Carter County in Van Buren, Missouri. This is from my spy; as sent: Jim, I have spent the last 2 days in Van Buren going through moldy records trying to find something on the Ropers or Browns for you. Today I found the tax records for the time frame 1898 and 1899. The only information on those lists is the amount of tax paid and the amount of personal property to be taxed. I found only a J W Roper who had 2 mules , 6 cows and 14 hogs . His total tax paid was 12 cents. There was no such thing as an address in 1890's. If the general store had a corner to use the mail was picked up there. I have personally been to every cemetery in Carter County that could be found in the last 6 years and I have never seen a marker for Josie Brown. I'm sorry to report that Miss Margaret lost her husband Murphy the 4th of September 2004, I spoke with her yesterday, and she did remember you. Daisy Note: Miss Margaret was a lady who lives in Ellsinore, MO who I had met there in 2002 while searching for Josie Roper. Without knowing me, this kindly and very well informed lady, invited me into her home without knowing me from Adam. She, her husband Murphy and I, had a terrific and jovial afternoon talking about all the county gossip and a tornado that had wrecked their house and barn the previous year. Also note: the tax ledger show's that James W. Roper was living in Jackson TWP in Ellsinore, MO in 1897, at current number 810.

Betty Mae Brown and Ralph Waldo Brasher are married March 30, 1915 in Cape Girardeau, MO by a justice of the peace. They will have two children. Children of Ralph Waldo and Betty May Brasher Sr 1. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, b: Feb 19, 1916 Cape Girardeau, MO. --d: Jun 6, 1971 California. 2. Nolda May Brasher, b: Jan 9, 1918 St Louis, MO--d: Nov 13, 2000 Florida Ralph and Betty would divorce about 1919 and Betty would fade away until about 1923. The 1920 census shows Ralph Sr and his two children living with his mother and Stepfather in St Louis, MO, it reads: McClard David, Head, age: 38, married. Laura, wife, age: 44, married. Brasher Ralph, stepson, age: 25, Divorced. Nolda, stepgranddau. Age: 1 4/12 sing. Ralph Jr, stepgrandson., age: 3 3/12, sing. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, born Feb 9, 1916 and Florence Margaret McQuillen, born Jan 17, 1915, married May 5, 1933. Ralph Jr and Florence would divorce in 1949. But even though they did, they would remain stepbrother and stepsister. Ralph Sr, my father's father, married Mabel Vie, my mother's mother on May 19, 1934 just one year and two weeks after their kids married. The older couple would remain married until their deaths in 1968, both being buried in Cuba, Missouri. Life Goes On After I reached my late teens, just prior to going into the Army, I returned to visit my grandmother, Mabel, many times in Cuba, Missouri on their farm. I never visited Ralph, he was too damn hard headed and by the time I reached nineteen I knew everything in the world anyway and didn't need his advice about anything. Still, I enjoyed talking to the old grump and listening to what he had to say, I just was not about to admit that anything he had to say was worthy of my consideration. I was still mad at him for hitting me on the head with a piece of stove wood a couple of years previous. To make matters worse, he didn't even feel guilty even a smidgeon about being a homicidal maniac the night he caught me coming home so late. He didn't even care that I was in love that night and she was to blame for my transgression and here I was an almost fully grown sixteen year old man coming home at only midnight. But, life does truly go on. On my visits to the farm in later years I did look forward to listening to Ralph's stories and it was while we sat on the front porch in the evenings that Ralph would start telling me a little bit about his life. One subject he covered was Betty Mae Brown. His stories about Betty always seemed to come in bits and pieces and took over ten years to tell. It was during one of these talk sessions that Ralph gave me two pictures of Betty's that I still have today. One picture was of Betty taken about 1904 or 1905 when she was five or six years old with an unknown lady named Isis Coffman taken in Paragould, Arkansas, this information comes from the back of the picture. The other picture was a tin type bent at the edges and somewhat faded of a confederate soldier. The confederate soldier I am guessing is Betty Mae's grandfather, James W. Roper. I noticed early on, that every time Ralph talked about Betty, two things never changed; he always called her "Mae" and he always said, "Mae was such a liar that you could never be totally sure what the truth was." From the first time I met her at age eight, she called herself Betty and I always felt she was hiding something, she always reminded me of the lady who pinched little kids when their parents weren't looking to make them cry so that they would get away and leave her alone. The evening Ralph gave me the picture of Betty Mae and Isis Coffman I asked, "Gramps, who is this?" "That's your grandmother, Mae Brown." "You mean dad's mother and your first wife?" "Yep, do you want to hear the story behind it as she told it to me?" "I sure would," said I. "Well. . ." That picture of Mae and the ugly woman with her was taken in Paragould, Arkansas one day when Mae was a little girl and visiting off the plantation while riding the train on an excursion trip to see part of the world. "Hey, wait a minute gramps, what the heck do you mean plantation?" "Well, Mae claimed that she came from a very wealthy family who owned a cotton farm over in Ellsinore before her mother died."

Hi Madelyn: I saw this e-mail after I replied to your other one on Septimus. You posted this one about your Bader family and I am wondering if you may not be related to the Bader family I worked for in the early 1950s in Downtown St Louis. Was your family in the Art Supply business? I delivered Art Supplies for them in 1952 when I was a young and upcoming 17 year old rush about.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis Burials - Wives of Matthais Bader. Hello. I am trying to locate two burials, both wives of Matthias Bader, and both believed to be buried somewhere in St. Louis. Questions at bottom. Here is what I know. Matthias Bader, b. 1828 Dunstelkingen, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg, arrived on ship from Germany at New York Aug 17 1854. Family report says he went to Wisconsin - I have no confirmation of that, and have been unable to find anything that says so. He then went to Illinois. This I know is likely as he has a daughter, Anna, who came to St. Louis with him. So at some point, he married. Possibly Married 9 Mar 1858 Illinois or Wisconsin? Wife's name unknown. Anna Bader, b. abt 1865, accdg to census records. Matthias Bader Jr. B. 23 Jan 1869, St. Louis. [So I am assuming the first wife was here at that time.] 13 July 1869, St. Louis Married Maria Anna Leppert [Maria and her family lived in the hotel/boarding house he ran, she was the widow of Georg Hitzler, and had 2-3 children of her own, which I have not been able to track down. One was born on ship coming to the USA]. Margret Bader B. 5 Aug 1871 Joseph Bader B. 6 Mar 1873 George Bader B. May 1876 July 1876, moved to St. Clair Missouri soon after this. M. Christina Luchsinger Henry Martin Bader, b.18 Dec 1877 Joseph Bader, b 19 Oct 1882 John Bader, b. April 1884 Willam Bader, B. Dec 1889 The questions I am looking for answer to involve these. Who was wife number 1, where did they marry and when? Were Anna and Matthias the only children of that marriage? Where is wife #1 buried? Where is Georg Hitzler buried and when did he die? Where is Maria Anna Leppert Hitzler Bader buried and when did she die? Anyone have suggestions for searches? I've done mostly online searching since I'm not in the St. Louis area. I did try the catholic cemeteries that were online, and didn't find, but the name Bader gets butchered. I've seen it as Boder, Bader, Badger, Bauer, Buder, Beiter. Mathais is alternately spelled either way, Matthais, or Matthias. Thanks in advance for any help and advice. Madelyn B. - Henry Bader Jr. -Henry Bader, Sr - Matthais Bader ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alex, There is a reference to a Fred H. Luecke in a publication titled Official Record. Minutes and Historical Review of the St. Louis German Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church: Fortieth Annual Session Held at Eden Church, St. Louis, Mo., September 9-13, 1925 (Warrenton, Mo.: Press, Banner Pub. Co., [1925]) I also found a reference to a World War I biography and service questionnarie for a George J. Grefenkamp, and a reference to a Civil War-era loyalty oath signed by John H. Grefenkamp. Let me know if you would like photocopies of any of these items. Sincerely, Dennis Northcott Associate Archivist for Reference Missouri Historical Society (St. Louis)

I recently received copied of my dad's school records from about 1944-46. Is anyone familiar with the forms/grades used back then? Instead of grades, there are numbers (example 175, 265, 370, 465,190, 167)......and there is also a "Characteristics" section (reliability,industry, cooperation, leadership, personality, health) with numbers1-6 listed. What do these mean? Sharon at the records office thought the numbers might correspond to grades (a=90s, b=80s etc), and did not know about the characteristics numbers. Any insight would be appreciated!! Lynn, KS

Is any lister researaching any of these names from mid-1800s St. Louis, MO? Bitter, Luecke, Greffenkamp Hope so. Thanks, Alex in Missouri ____________________________________________________________________________________Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222

Hello. I am trying to locate two burials, both wives of Matthias Bader, and both believed to be buried somewhere in St. Louis. Questions at bottom. Here is what I know. Matthias Bader, b. 1828 Dunstelkingen, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg, arrived on ship from Germany at New York Aug 17 1854. Family report says he went to Wisconsin - I have no confirmation of that, and have been unable to find anything that says so. He then went to Illinois. This I know is likely as he has a daughter, Anna, who came to St. Louis with him. So at some point, he married. Possibly Married 9 Mar 1858 Illinois or Wisconsin? Wife's name unknown. Anna Bader, b. abt 1865, accdg to census records. Matthias Bader Jr. B. 23 Jan 1869, St. Louis. [So I am assuming the first wife was here at that time.] 13 July 1869, St. Louis Married Maria Anna Leppert [Maria and her family lived in the hotel/boarding house he ran, she was the widow of Georg Hitzler, and had 2-3 children of her own, which I have not been able to track down. One was born on ship coming to the USA]. Margret Bader B. 5 Aug 1871 Joseph Bader B. 6 Mar 1873 George Bader B. May 1876 July 1876, moved to St. Clair Missouri soon after this. M. Christina Luchsinger Henry Martin Bader, b.18 Dec 1877 Joseph Bader, b 19 Oct 1882 John Bader, b. April 1884 Willam Bader, B. Dec 1889 The questions I am looking for answer to involve these. Who was wife number 1, where did they marry and when? Were Anna and Matthias the only children of that marriage? Where is wife #1 buried? Where is Georg Hitzler buried and when did he die? Where is Maria Anna Leppert Hitzler Bader buried and when did she die? Anyone have suggestions for searches? I've done mostly online searching since I'm not in the St. Louis area. I did try the catholic cemeteries that were online, and didn't find, but the name Bader gets butchered. I've seen it as Boder, Bader, Badger, Bauer, Buder, Beiter. Mathais is alternately spelled either way, Matthais, or Matthias. Thanks in advance for any help and advice. Madelyn B. - Henry Bader Jr. -Henry Bader, Sr - Matthais Bader ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I am searching for descendants of Fidel and Elizabeth Buechel in St. Louis area. Bertha Buechel Schneider married my grandfather's brother Andrew Schneider. They have no living descendants since there were no grandchildren. I am hoping to locate relatives of Bertha Buechel Schneider who may have pictures of her and her husband Andrew. Thank you for any information. Kathy Descendants of Fidel Buechel 1 Fidel Buechel b: Abt. 1831 .. +Elizabeth b: Abt. 1845 ...... 2 Bertha L. Buechel b: Jun 1866 in St Louis, MO d: 08 Jun 1945 in St. Louis, MO .......... +Andrew Schneider m: Abt. 1889 in St. Louis, MO b: 01 Jan 1865 in Urloffen, Baden, Germany d: 25 Sep 1937 in St. Louis, MO Immigration: 1880 Baden to St. Louis .............. 3 [1] Bertha Schneider b: 02 Jun 1889 in St. Louis, MO d: 26 Jan 1976 in St. Louis, MO .................. +William E. Kiel b: 29 Oct 1887 in St. Louis, MO d: Dec 1941 in St. Louis, MO .............. *2nd Husband of [1] Bertha Schneider: .................. +Henry W. Schmidt b: 09 Dec 1882 in Columbia, Illinois d: 29 Apr 1952 in Missouri .............. 3 [2] Ida Elizabeth Schneider b: Feb 1894 in St. Louis, MO d: Nov 1959 in St. Louis, MO .................. +Simms m: Bef. 1920 in St Louis, MO .............. *2nd Husband of [2] Ida Elizabeth Schneider: .................. +William Roy McDonnell m: Abt. 1923 in St Louis, MO b: 31 Jan 1897 in Missouri d: Oct 1964 in St. Louis, MO .............. 3 Alvira Schneider b: Sep 1899 in St. Louis, MO d: 13 Apr 1901 in St. Louis, MO .............. 3 Chas Schneider b: 14 Sep 1902 in St. Louis, MO d: 14 Sep 1902 in St. Louis, MO .............. 3 Carl A. Schneider b: Abt. 1903 in St. Louis, MO d: 31 Oct 1965 in St. Louis, MO .................. +May B. Bowers b: 14 Jan 1904 in St. Louis, MO d: 26 Feb 1992 in St. Louis, MO .............. 3 Alfred Schneider b: 07 Dec 1906 in St. Louis, MO d: 07 May 1910 in St. Louis, MO ...... 2 Ida Buechel b: Abt. 1869 in St Louis, MO ...... 2 Frederick Buechel b: Abt. 1871 in St. Louis, MO ...... 2 Maria Buechel b: Abt. 1876 in St. Louis, MO ...... 2 Joseph Buechel b: Abt. 1878 in St. Louis, MO

I am searching for relatives of May (neeBowers) Schneider? She is the daughter of Frederick (1976) and Mary Bowers. She had siblings named Esther, Nora, Frederick Jr, and Edward. May 1904-1992 is buried in Memorial Park Cemetery with her husband Carl Schneider and sister Esther Bowers Peterson. I am related to Carl Schneider 1903-1965. He was the son of Andrew and Bertha Schneider and had two sisters Bertha Schmidt and Ida McDonnell. None of these Schneider siblings had children so there are no descendants. I am searching for pictures of this Schneider family and am hoping that May's Bowers relatives have them now. Thank you for any help or suggestions. Kathy

Hi Barbara: I work on it every day, but still have a lot of research left.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Byrd<mailto:barbjbyrd@yahoo.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part 2 James, your stories are soooo interesting! If you've not written that book yet, you should! Have you? Barbara Byrd JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> wrote: Genesis Betty Mae Brown was born April 6, 1899 in Ellsinore, Missouri to Sarah Josephine (Roper) Brown and Septimus (something) Brown down in Carter County in the Missouri Ozark Mountains. This piece of beautiful real estate is about fifty miles west of Poplar Bluff, Missouri on the edge of the Mark Twain National Forrest and even today it's not much bigger than a toadstool. Betty Mae was to be born an orphan for all intents and purposes. Her mother Josie would die during childbirth and her father Septimus would loose interest in his first born after Josie passed on. Septimus was not a complete ass, he was only half assed; the reason I say this is because, Septimus saw at an early age that to go through life being called Septimus was not an easy thing to bear and so he was called, "Seth Brown," just not on official papers; on those he would remain, "Septimus." Septimus is a word meaning, "Seventh Son," in a language I haven't the slightest clue as to what it is. The one thing I know for sure is that Septimus was the first born child of Harriet and Edward Brown. A Missouri born gal and an English immigrant from Manchester, England who came to America in 1865 and first settled in Silver Mines, Missouri straight south of St Louis. Septimus first wife, Sarah Josie Roper was the granddaughter of a Baptist preacher named, David Sheets and the daughter of James L. Roper and Sarah E. Sheets of North Carolina. The Roper and Sheets families would move to Missouri from NC to Missouri around 1872 and settle in Wayne County, Missouri where David Sheets would become the owner of the County Poor Farm. Lest the reader think all the family were scoundrels I thought I would jot this piece of information down: I am Jim Brasher a native of St Louis who was raised in an innocent environment beginning back in the 1930s, whose great-great-great grandfather, David Sheets, was a well known Baptist preacher down in Patterson, Missouri. "Patterson, Missouri," the skeptic will ask, "where the Heck is Patterson Missouri?" My reply: "Well, I'm not sure, but its somewhere West of Poplar Bluff somewhere out in those Beautiful Hills of the Missouri Ozarks." "Then what the heck makes your gr-gr-gr-grandfather so important?" My reply: "My gr-gr-gr-grandfather, David Sheets, had the bone crushing responsibility of being the head of the Wayne County Poor Farm." "Baloney, that ain't so important." My reply: "Oh yeah? He was a big Frog in a small pond, its true, but he was sure important to those seven paupers the 1880 census shows living with him and his family down there in Wayne County." Little is known about the years between 1900 and 1910 where Betty Mae is concerned and most of what I know about her is word of mouth from Ralph, her first husband and my grandfather. Then she re-appears in the 1910 census living with her maternal grandfather, James W. Roper, and uncle, James C. Roper. The census shows the three living in Butler County, Blackriver TWP. This would be part of the town of Poplar Bluff, MO. The Census reads: Roper James W.-Head-age: 69-wid.-NC-occ: grist mill Roper James C.-Son-age: 39-single.-NC-occ: grist mill Brown Josie M.-granddaughter.-age: 11-single.-MO-occ: none I believe that Betty Mae's grandfather was giving the census taker the information and inadvertently gave the census taker Betty's mother's name of "Josie." Five years later, 1915, Betty Mae Brown would meet Ralph Waldo Brasher in Cape Girardeau, MO where the two would marry. Betty is sixteen now and someone needs to sign for her. On the marriage license application is Ralph's mother's signature as the consenting adult, "Laura Alice McClard." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James, your stories are soooo interesting! If you've not written that book yet, you should! Have you? Barbara Byrd JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com> wrote: Genesis Betty Mae Brown was born April 6, 1899 in Ellsinore, Missouri to Sarah Josephine (Roper) Brown and Septimus (something) Brown down in Carter County in the Missouri Ozark Mountains. This piece of beautiful real estate is about fifty miles west of Poplar Bluff, Missouri on the edge of the Mark Twain National Forrest and even today it's not much bigger than a toadstool. Betty Mae was to be born an orphan for all intents and purposes. Her mother Josie would die during childbirth and her father Septimus would loose interest in his first born after Josie passed on. Septimus was not a complete ass, he was only half assed; the reason I say this is because, Septimus saw at an early age that to go through life being called Septimus was not an easy thing to bear and so he was called, "Seth Brown," just not on official papers; on those he would remain, "Septimus." Septimus is a word meaning, "Seventh Son," in a language I haven't the slightest clue as to what it is. The one thing I know for sure is that Septimus was the first born child of Harriet and Edward Brown. A Missouri born gal and an English immigrant from Manchester, England who came to America in 1865 and first settled in Silver Mines, Missouri straight south of St Louis. Septimus first wife, Sarah Josie Roper was the granddaughter of a Baptist preacher named, David Sheets and the daughter of James L. Roper and Sarah E. Sheets of North Carolina. The Roper and Sheets families would move to Missouri from NC to Missouri around 1872 and settle in Wayne County, Missouri where David Sheets would become the owner of the County Poor Farm. Lest the reader think all the family were scoundrels I thought I would jot this piece of information down: I am Jim Brasher a native of St Louis who was raised in an innocent environment beginning back in the 1930s, whose great-great-great grandfather, David Sheets, was a well known Baptist preacher down in Patterson, Missouri. "Patterson, Missouri," the skeptic will ask, "where the Heck is Patterson Missouri?" My reply: "Well, I'm not sure, but its somewhere West of Poplar Bluff somewhere out in those Beautiful Hills of the Missouri Ozarks." "Then what the heck makes your gr-gr-gr-grandfather so important?" My reply: "My gr-gr-gr-grandfather, David Sheets, had the bone crushing responsibility of being the head of the Wayne County Poor Farm." "Baloney, that ain't so important." My reply: "Oh yeah? He was a big Frog in a small pond, its true, but he was sure important to those seven paupers the 1880 census shows living with him and his family down there in Wayne County." Little is known about the years between 1900 and 1910 where Betty Mae is concerned and most of what I know about her is word of mouth from Ralph, her first husband and my grandfather. Then she re-appears in the 1910 census living with her maternal grandfather, James W. Roper, and uncle, James C. Roper. The census shows the three living in Butler County, Blackriver TWP. This would be part of the town of Poplar Bluff, MO. The Census reads: Roper James W.-Head-age: 69-wid.-NC-occ: grist mill Roper James C.-Son-age: 39-single.-NC-occ: grist mill Brown Josie M.-granddaughter.-age: 11-single.-MO-occ: none I believe that Betty Mae's grandfather was giving the census taker the information and inadvertently gave the census taker Betty's mother's name of "Josie." Five years later, 1915, Betty Mae Brown would meet Ralph Waldo Brasher in Cape Girardeau, MO where the two would marry. Betty is sixteen now and someone needs to sign for her. On the marriage license application is Ralph's mother's signature as the consenting adult, "Laura Alice McClard." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Genesis Betty Mae Brown was born April 6, 1899 in Ellsinore, Missouri to Sarah Josephine (Roper) Brown and Septimus (something) Brown down in Carter County in the Missouri Ozark Mountains. This piece of beautiful real estate is about fifty miles west of Poplar Bluff, Missouri on the edge of the Mark Twain National Forrest and even today it's not much bigger than a toadstool. Betty Mae was to be born an orphan for all intents and purposes. Her mother Josie would die during childbirth and her father Septimus would loose interest in his first born after Josie passed on. Septimus was not a complete ass, he was only half assed; the reason I say this is because, Septimus saw at an early age that to go through life being called Septimus was not an easy thing to bear and so he was called, "Seth Brown," just not on official papers; on those he would remain, "Septimus." Septimus is a word meaning, "Seventh Son," in a language I haven't the slightest clue as to what it is. The one thing I know for sure is that Septimus was the first born child of Harriet and Edward Brown. A Missouri born gal and an English immigrant from Manchester, England who came to America in 1865 and first settled in Silver Mines, Missouri straight south of St Louis. Septimus first wife, Sarah Josie Roper was the granddaughter of a Baptist preacher named, David Sheets and the daughter of James L. Roper and Sarah E. Sheets of North Carolina. The Roper and Sheets families would move to Missouri from NC to Missouri around 1872 and settle in Wayne County, Missouri where David Sheets would become the owner of the County Poor Farm. Lest the reader think all the family were scoundrels I thought I would jot this piece of information down: I am Jim Brasher a native of St Louis who was raised in an innocent environment beginning back in the 1930s, whose great-great-great grandfather, David Sheets, was a well known Baptist preacher down in Patterson, Missouri. "Patterson, Missouri," the skeptic will ask, "where the Heck is Patterson Missouri?" My reply: "Well, I'm not sure, but its somewhere West of Poplar Bluff somewhere out in those Beautiful Hills of the Missouri Ozarks." "Then what the heck makes your gr-gr-gr-grandfather so important?" My reply: "My gr-gr-gr-grandfather, David Sheets, had the bone crushing responsibility of being the head of the Wayne County Poor Farm." "Baloney, that ain't so important." My reply: "Oh yeah? He was a big Frog in a small pond, its true, but he was sure important to those seven paupers the 1880 census shows living with him and his family down there in Wayne County." Little is known about the years between 1900 and 1910 where Betty Mae is concerned and most of what I know about her is word of mouth from Ralph, her first husband and my grandfather. Then she re-appears in the 1910 census living with her maternal grandfather, James W. Roper, and uncle, James C. Roper. The census shows the three living in Butler County, Blackriver TWP. This would be part of the town of Poplar Bluff, MO. The Census reads: Roper James W.-Head-age: 69-wid.-NC-occ: grist mill Roper James C.-Son-age: 39-single.-NC-occ: grist mill Brown Josie M.-granddaughter.-age: 11-single.-MO-occ: none I believe that Betty Mae's grandfather was giving the census taker the information and inadvertently gave the census taker Betty's mother's name of "Josie." Five years later, 1915, Betty Mae Brown would meet Ralph Waldo Brasher in Cape Girardeau, MO where the two would marry. Betty is sixteen now and someone needs to sign for her. On the marriage license application is Ralph's mother's signature as the consenting adult, "Laura Alice McClard."

Hi Anna: My first Brown came to America in 1865 from Manchester England, his name was Edward, he settled in Silver Mines then moved farther south not to many years later. He was the second to last tree member to come to America. The newest members to America were my Vies, also from England. The Rest of my tree hit our shores in the 1600s.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: brewer1954@earthlink.net<mailto:brewer1954@earthlink.net> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part one Hi James, My Brown's were from Shannon County, plus others, in Missouri. Ours came from Virginia to Kentucky to Tennesee and landed in southern Missouri. Some of the family went to northern Missouri after they crossed the Mississippi. My branches from Shannon County, MO are Thomas and William Henry Brown. Their parents were Jacob and Rebecca (Smallwood) Brown, both born in Virginia. Jacob's father was James M. Brown. There were like 14 of these kids. Does any of this match any of your information? Thanks for your time and God bless, Anna/MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> To: "mo-stlouis-metro-l rootsweb" <mo-stlouis-metro-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro-l@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part one > The Browns > > I started my search for the "Brown" branch on my family tree about five years ago in 2002 only to discover that it was like trying to find a tree limb that had broken off the family tree and floated down stream in a flood of other Brown families, a search so aggravating it was like slogging through a boggy bottom of pure Mississippi flood plain mud. But being a man of pure steel, I slogged on mightily and persevered. > > OK, I may be stretching that just a little mite, but I did provide the leg work for one Megan Smolenyak who is a professional Genealogist back in New Jersey and writes some pretty good stories for Ancestry Dot Com Magazine. One of which is the story about how I found the whole missing tribe of the Poplar Bluff Browns who I couldn't find, no matter where I searched for five years. In the story are two pictures, one is a picture of my gr-grandfather, Septimus Brown, the other picture is of his third wife, Mary Ellen Berry and is the picture found in the junkyard. To read that story, go to the following site: > > http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/<http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/<http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/%3Chttp://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/>> > > > > Now then, being a humble man and not one to brag, I feel it's my patriotic duty to point out that in the March 2007 issue of Ancestry Dot Com Magazine, Susan Sarandon got top billing over my family story by seven full pages. Her story, "Susan Catches Wales," about her origins in Wales, appears on page 39, my story, "She Had Me at Junkyard," appears on page 46. The point is; at the end of each story "Ancestry" allows for comments. Her story received No comments, my story was the highest rated at 26 comments. > > Guess all this means, is that because of some of her comments in the media, most folks are hoping she might want to return to her family roots, although no one said so in so many words. > > Betty Mae Brown > > Betty Mae Brown; what can you say about Betty Mae Brown? I know what I can say about Betty Mae Brown, Brasher, Stephenson. I can say plenty. > > > > The first thing I can say is that she was my father's mother. Then I can say that her life was like a beautiful opera done by a mighty orchestra known across the land for its mellifluous sounds that poured out of the honey dispenser of life like a warm, sweet, smooth flowing stream that saturated life's pancake to anyone's great satisfaction. I could then add that when she moved to Hollywood, back in the 1920s, she became one of America's most revered movie actresses. > > But if I said all that, I'd be lying like a low down dirty dog and some unkind person might come along and say, "Jim, you're so full of baloney, you ought to be hung no later than next Tuesday." The only thing true about the above paragraph is that she was my father's mother. Betty Mae's life was more like a discordant heavy metal rock band in the final throes of its own agonizing demise from brittle rickets rather than a smooth flowing Symphony. And smooth flowing? "No," more like a mud slide of sticky honey with a hornet, butt up, just waiting for an unsuspecting person to take a bite of her life's pancake. > > There was no denying she had the power to make many innocent manly hearts to beat like tom toms at her approach because her physical attributes were many. She was in a single word, "beautiful," at least on the outside. However, inside she was a wrinkled witch that would soon be found out by many misguided males who thought they would venture just one chamber of their heart. The ones who stuck around soon discovered they were in dire need of a complete heart transplant. She was mostly vain and self centered. > > The male of this story that concerns me most was Betty Mae's first husband, Ralph Waldo Brasher Sr, my grandfather who was also not wholly loved by everyone in the family; Ralph could be rather thorny himself at times. But know this; I loved this thorny, aggravating, bigoted, old grump very much, because he was my teacher in life and never gave up on me no matter how goofy I acted. He was just as ready to smack me in the mouth at thirty three as he was when I was sixteen, simply because he cared. "Confound it," that man was a trial in my life, without him I could have become as famous a gangster as my uncle Bow Wow. (More later) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>). Version: 6.0.806 / Virus Database: 548 - Release Date: 12/5/2004 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathleen, thank you. Yes, the Nonnenkamp/Siebelts line doesn't appear to fit in with our Nonnenkamps, as far as my research goes. Also, the name Burrichter was misspelled in the records at St. Joseph's. And thank you for the observation of Kate Nonnenkamp being alive and on the two census records. This I did not know. I answered this note earlier, but I think I accidentally wrote to someone else instead of to you. Thanks again! Alex in Missouri ----- Original Message ---- From: "mo-stlouis-metro-request@rootsweb.com" <mo-stlouis-metro-request@rootsweb.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:00:26 AM Subject: MO-STLOUIS-METRO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 69 Today's Topics: 1. NONNENKAMP/BUHRICHTER/SCHROEDER/SIEBELTS marriages inSt Louis (Kathleen Watkins) On St Joseph Catholic Church marriages 1843-1853, two Nonnenkamp marriages in 1849: ELISABETH NONNENKAMP to Bernard Joseph BUHRICHTER on 25 Sept 1849 JOSEPH NONNENKAMP to ANGELA SCHRODER [SCHROEDER] on 13 Nov 1849 [Francis Nonnenkamp & Catherine Maria Dieckhof are parents of both Elisabeth & Joseph] Additionally, AUGUSTA NONNEKAMP married Heinrich Wilhelm SIEBELTS on 15 Jan 1865 Augusta was born abt 1848 in Oldenburg. Siebelts probably a Lutheran. Likely not the same family. However, in 1860 census, CATHERINE NONEKAMP 62 <1798> was living in this household: John GREFENKAMP 40 <1820> grocer worth $20,000/500 born Oldenburg Elizabeth 39 <1821> born Hanover Children all born MO, Mary 1845, John 1848, Elizabeth 1849, Catherine 1851, Mena 1854, Rosa 1856, and Henry 1858. Also Henry Thias 20, clerk, born Hanover. Then in 1880 census, KATE NONNENKAMP 87 <1793> was living in this household: Bernard SCHROEDER 58 <1822> retired grocer born Hanover MARY " 50 <1830> born Hanover Children all born MO. Kate 1864, Margareth 1867, Agnes 1872. Lived in 3rd Ward at 700 N. Eleventh Street. If Kate and Catherine are one and the same, then it may be that she first lived with daughter Elizabeth <1821>, then Mary <1830>. Both daughters married grocers. By the 1880 census, it looks as if John GREFENKAMP's wife may have died. John H. GREFENKAMP 58, grocer, born 'Altonborg?/ Fetenborg? Elizabeth 21 <1859> same name as first wife, much younger JOSEPH 19 <1861> son of first wife FRANSISKA , 10 months, new daughter Living at 901 Barlow in 3rd ward. Next door at 902 Barlow is possibly a sister? or widow of his brother ? Mary GREFENKAMP, 57 <1823> born Germany John LAHLA, 50 shoemaker, Germany and wife Susanna 64. [All images from Heritage Quest] Not my family, but an interesting study. Is anyone looking for these folk ?? Kitty To contact the MO-STLOUIS-METRO list administrator, send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MO-STLOUIS-METRO mailing list, send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ____________________________________________________________________________________Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

The Browns I started my search for the "Brown" branch on my family tree about five years ago in 2002 only to discover that it was like trying to find a tree limb that had broken off the family tree and floated down stream in a flood of other Brown families, a search so aggravating it was like slogging through a boggy bottom of pure Mississippi flood plain mud. But being a man of pure steel, I slogged on mightily and persevered. OK, I may be stretching that just a little mite, but I did provide the leg work for one Megan Smolenyak who is a professional Genealogist back in New Jersey and writes some pretty good stories for Ancestry Dot Com Magazine. One of which is the story about how I found the whole missing tribe of the Poplar Bluff Browns who I couldn't find, no matter where I searched for five years. In the story are two pictures, one is a picture of my gr-grandfather, Septimus Brown, the other picture is of his third wife, Mary Ellen Berry and is the picture found in the junkyard. To read that story, go to the following site: http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/<http://www.ancestrymagazine.com/2007/03/found/she-had-me-at-junkyard/> Now then, being a humble man and not one to brag, I feel it's my patriotic duty to point out that in the March 2007 issue of Ancestry Dot Com Magazine, Susan Sarandon got top billing over my family story by seven full pages. Her story, "Susan Catches Wales," about her origins in Wales, appears on page 39, my story, "She Had Me at Junkyard," appears on page 46. The point is; at the end of each story "Ancestry" allows for comments. Her story received No comments, my story was the highest rated at 26 comments. Guess all this means, is that because of some of her comments in the media, most folks are hoping she might want to return to her family roots, although no one said so in so many words. Betty Mae Brown Betty Mae Brown; what can you say about Betty Mae Brown? I know what I can say about Betty Mae Brown, Brasher, Stephenson. I can say plenty. The first thing I can say is that she was my father's mother. Then I can say that her life was like a beautiful opera done by a mighty orchestra known across the land for its mellifluous sounds that poured out of the honey dispenser of life like a warm, sweet, smooth flowing stream that saturated life's pancake to anyone's great satisfaction. I could then add that when she moved to Hollywood, back in the 1920s, she became one of America's most revered movie actresses. But if I said all that, I'd be lying like a low down dirty dog and some unkind person might come along and say, "Jim, you're so full of baloney, you ought to be hung no later than next Tuesday." The only thing true about the above paragraph is that she was my father's mother. Betty Mae's life was more like a discordant heavy metal rock band in the final throes of its own agonizing demise from brittle rickets rather than a smooth flowing Symphony. And smooth flowing? "No," more like a mud slide of sticky honey with a hornet, butt up, just waiting for an unsuspecting person to take a bite of her life's pancake. There was no denying she had the power to make many innocent manly hearts to beat like tom toms at her approach because her physical attributes were many. She was in a single word, "beautiful," at least on the outside. However, inside she was a wrinkled witch that would soon be found out by many misguided males who thought they would venture just one chamber of their heart. The ones who stuck around soon discovered they were in dire need of a complete heart transplant. She was mostly vain and self centered. The male of this story that concerns me most was Betty Mae's first husband, Ralph Waldo Brasher Sr, my grandfather who was also not wholly loved by everyone in the family; Ralph could be rather thorny himself at times. But know this; I loved this thorny, aggravating, bigoted, old grump very much, because he was my teacher in life and never gave up on me no matter how goofy I acted. He was just as ready to smack me in the mouth at thirty three as he was when I was sixteen, simply because he cared. "Confound it," that man was a trial in my life, without him I could have become as famous a gangster as my uncle Bow Wow. (More later)

Hi: According to records that I have taken from the History of the Wabash RR - the old North Missouri opened its first section in 1859 - this ran from St. Louis to St. Charles. The second section of the road ran 148 miles from St. Charles to Hudson (now Macon). At Hudson it itersected the Hannibal and St. Joseph RR. Hope this is of some help. -- Jim Newport -------------- Original message -------------- From: AldDan@aol.com > > In a message dated 5/21/2007 1:31:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > bdoerr@msm.umr.edu writes: > > BUT the N.M., if that is meant ot refer to the North Missouri, is confusing; > the North Missouri ran Hannibal to St. Joseph. > > Any ideas? > > > > ______________________________ > > How 'bout this from: > _http://tacnet.missouri.org/history/encycmo/encycmorr.html#NM_ > (http://tacnet.missouri.org/history/encycmo/encycmorr.html#NM) > > The Encyclopedia of the History of Missouri was edited by Howard L. Conard > and published by the Southern History Company, of New York, Louisville, and > St. Louis, in 1901. The University of Missouri Library has made available the > entire contents of the 6 volume set on its website as part of the _Virtually > Missouri_ (http://www.virtuallymissouri.org/) project. The books are in a > section called _Missouri: Its History, Geology and Culture_ > (http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=umlib;cc=umlib;tpl=ho > me.tpl) . > > > Dan McGuire > North Missouri Railroad > North Missouri Railroad. The North Missouri Railroad was incorporated March > 3, 1851, to build a railroad from St. Charles, Missouri to the Iowa state > line. The incorporators were residents of the counties on the line of the > proposed route. In 1852 the charter was amended to as to allow the road to be > extended to St. Louis and at a meeting of the stockholders held in St. Louis > June > 11, 1853, Frederick Schulenberg, Lewis Bissell, Gerald B. Allen, Thos. L. > Sturgeon, Francis Yosti, Charles D. Drake, Arnold Krekel, James T. Sweringen, > James S. Rollins, Calvin Case, and William G. Moore were chosen directors. John > O'Fallon was made president, E. C. Willis secretary and treasurer, and C. D. > Drake counselor. At the next election Colonel O'Fallon declined a > re-election, and Isaac H. Sturgeon was chosen in his stead. In 1855 the company > received from the State a loan of $1,000,000 in bonds for the purchase of iron > and > rolling stock for the line south of the Hannibal & St. Joseph Railroad, with > which it made connection, and it reached Warrenton in 1855, Mexico in 1858, > and Macon February 1, 1859. Under the charter ferriage across the Missouri > River at St. Charles was necessary, requiring unloading cars on one side and > reloading upon the other side. In 1864 the loaded cars were first ferried > across > the river and this method was maintained until the St. Charles bridge was > built. In 1865 first mortgage bonds were issued to the amount of $6,000,000 and > the northern branch and the main line to Kansas City were completed, and the > proposed bridge built. The name of the road was afterward changed to the St. > Louis, Kansas City & Northern, and subsequently it passed into the hands of > the "Wabash Railroad Company". (See Wabash Railroad). [Emphasis Added] > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message