When I click on the link,The Early U.S.French Catholic Church Records (Drouin Collection) 1695-1954 comes up. Is this the site you were referring to??? Judie On Jun 5, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Diane wrote: > I am researching in the St. Louis Cathedral records that are on > line at > Ancestry. > > I have seen many Irish names there, DUNN included. > > The records are located here: > http://tinyurl.com/3e42xr > > Diane Shaw > > mo-stlouis-metro-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Dunn family of St. Louis-1850 (GMECPA@aol.com) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:48:55 EDT >> From: GMECPA@aol.com >> Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Dunn family of St. Louis-1850 >> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <c09.1977c7e7.33959c77@aol.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Alexandra, >> >> The State of Mo. has a death certficate online for Albert Dunn, born >> 2-28-1855 in St. Louis and died Mar 2, 1924. He was buried in >> Calvary Cemetery on Mar >> 5th. His wife was Mary E. Dunn and they lived at 2320 O'Fallon. >> He was a >> butcher. His father was Thomas Dunn, born in Ireland, and his >> mother was Mary >> Sullivan also of Ireland. Maybe he was a big baseball fan. >> >> I hope this helps. >> >> Lynne in Va. >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at http:// >> www.aol.com. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS- > METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am researching in the St. Louis Cathedral records that are on line at Ancestry. I have seen many Irish names there, DUNN included. The records are located here: http://tinyurl.com/3e42xr Diane Shaw mo-stlouis-metro-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Dunn family of St. Louis-1850 (GMECPA@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:48:55 EDT > From: GMECPA@aol.com > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Dunn family of St. Louis-1850 > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c09.1977c7e7.33959c77@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Alexandra, > > The State of Mo. has a death certficate online for Albert Dunn, born > 2-28-1855 in St. Louis and died Mar 2, 1924. He was buried in Calvary Cemetery on Mar > 5th. His wife was Mary E. Dunn and they lived at 2320 O'Fallon. He was a > butcher. His father was Thomas Dunn, born in Ireland, and his mother was Mary > Sullivan also of Ireland. Maybe he was a big baseball fan. > > I hope this helps. > > Lynne in Va. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > > ------------------------------ > >

I almost deleted all of the "Pet Peeve" stuff myself, but now since I have mentioned in Sgt. George's email on this topic, I feel compelled to respond and comment. George: You do make me laugh. IMO, the "Black Sheep Society" is more than just being a murderer, prostitute, rapist or common criminal. It is about being a "colorful character." And THAT you are. I suppose I would consider myself one too. That be either good or bad--or both-- but never indifferent. I have never "officially" applied for membership, and since it is really just a mailing list I don't think it is necessary. It is a fun list, and full of very knowledgeable people. And what family story isn't brought to life with colorful facts? I could wall-paper 3 living rooms with the number of divorce decrees in my family. And that's just for starters. I think my best black-sheep candidate (and it's a tough contest) would be my great-grandfather the so-called "Doctor" William Woodson Brownfield. If anyone on this list can tell me what happened to him, I will pay good money. The Brownfield Family Association does not know. According to my father and his cousin Betty Brownfield (now both dead), he simply disappeared and left his wife and children. This was in St. Louis County. My father said he was a "snake-oil salesman." The Brownfields insist he really was a doctor. What I DO know is that he, his wife, and her brother, are listed in the St. Louis Directory as "pharmacists" in the late 1800s. Which brings me straight to another black sheepess. This would be "Aunt Ora". She was "Doctor" Brownfield's daughter by a previous wife. (I've never figured out who her mother was, as from what records I have been able to find on "Doctor" Brownfield in Illinois show he had two wives previous to my own great-grandmother). I have one photograph of "Aunt Ora", taken around 1910. A stunning looker she was. Mink coat, mink cap, gloves and the huge huge hat the ladies used to wear. And she a home-wrecker to boot. And in a very scandalous way. This doesn't mean she was a bad person. She was a music teacher, just like her step-mother (poor Delia). Things went awry when Judge Hugh Laughlin bought a large farm near her mother's home. Judge Laughlin was married. Judge Laughlin had married a very wealthy woman related to the Todds (as in Mary Todd Lincoln) in Kentucky. Judge Laughlin was very colorful. Judge Laughlin fell in love with young Ora Brownfield. Judge Laughlin divorced his wife (or she divorced him, it isn't all clear from the sundry newspapers accounts). Judge Laughlin resigned his judgeship in St. Louis, and bought two pieces of property. One was a resort home in Ashland, Michigan, and the other was a hotel in Chicago. Judge Laughlin's 1931 will is a literary masterpiece. Judge Laughlin was very wealthy, if the bequests in his will are to be believed. Now do not think for one minute that the ex-wife was the least bit amused by any of this. She had 2 sons and 1 daughter by this man. She was a matriarch (or at least WAS a matriarch) of St. Louis society. In fact her ex-husband arranged for his daughter Hester to become the first "elected" (i.e., "selected") Queen of the St. Louis Veiled Prophet's Ball. That was a big thing in those days, and in fact still is a big thing. It's the St. Louis version of the Debutantes' Ball, though that part has been greatly de-emphasized over racial issues after a former Mayor of St. Louis had the gall to actually shut down the bridges into St. Louis from Illinois to keep the "black folk" from "invading" the VP Fair under the Arch in the 1980s. Can you spell "Reverend Al Sharpton"? But I digress. To take this story further, I continue with the beautiful but probably very naive young Hester Bates Laughlin. Her headlines brought her great attention and many suitors. The winner of her hand was a dashing young Italian Count named Carlos Pfister. He was an Italian Naval Attache. He was based out of DC. They met in DC when Hester's disgraced but not un-connected mother took her there on a visit. They held one of St. Louis's most extravagant weddings ever. The newly-married couple returned to DC for a brief while, and he was then re-called to Rome. Apparently, at this time, young Hester suffered either a physical or mental breakdown, or both. Here again the newspaper accounts from both countries are quite contradictory. What is clear is that something was going wrong, her mother went over to help her out, and on the morning that Hester was to check herself in to the "Blue Nuns" (A Catholic Nunnery, and for what reason is not clear, some accounts say leukemia), she found a gun in her mother's suit case and used it for the purpose of ending her life. At which she succeeded. This was on 5 November 1912. The St. Louis newspapers are replete with accounts of this, all of which conflict. They of course re-hash all of the scandalous history of her parent's marriage. It was a family tragedy of the first magnitude, and to have it all splashed once again in the gossip columns certainly could not have been any comfort. To rush and conclude this story, Ms. Laughlin-Pister was sent back to her father in Chicago, where she was cremated. Her father's 1931 will leaves an enormous sum of money to a Catholic Nunnery in Chicago. Her father was not Catholic. Obviously, a great mystery. To sum it all up, family histories are not usually so fascinating. But when they are, it certainly brings a great deal to light. And much to write about. The best part of this story is that not too many years ago I was contacted by a grandson of Judge Laughlin, and his beautiful wife. They were on this trail, and we were able to compare and exchange copious notes and photographs. They didn't know much about Ora Brownfield, and I knew next to nothing about Judge Laughlin. Our visit revealed mountains of information. When they came to my condo in St. Louis, I could actually point across the street and show them the house where Judge Laughlin lived with his first wife. I could walk them down the street and show them where she was living when she died. We went to two cemeteries and found where one of Judge Laughlin's sons had put up gravestones for almost every character in this story (except Dr. Brownfield, whom we have no idea is buried.) We had a delightful full-blown picnic at Belle-Fontaine Cemetery (not allowed anymore) and found even more markers, including poor Hester, in the same fashion as at Fee Fee. The Belle-Fontaine cemetery office provided us tons of data on the cremations, origins of body, and other records on the burial information. SO....My point is, you never know what you might find out if you work with others. Yes, there can be some disappointments along the way and yes, some people will take your data and plaster it on the internet and then act like you never existed. But, I would trade 100 of those such incidents for any single one of the like I have described. To paraphrase my good friend Gary Stolpan, Happy Hunting! Craig Kilby Lancaster, Virginia persisto@earthlink.net cc: St. Louis Metro List > > Well Don, that's a little strong, but I think I know where you're > coming from. I've never come across anyone like that, but I'm sure > they do exist. >SNIP > I'm almost certain that you have had a very bad experience in your > research endeavors and hope that you don't judge anyone else by > what happened then. I don't know a single soul on this List that > would be so pretentious as to exclude anyone from his/her family > tree. In fact, if the truth were known I'll bet a good percentage of > us here also belong to the "Black Sheep Society", which has a > Mailing List here at Rootsweb. To be a member you have to have > an ancestor who could be considered a "Black Sheep" and most > of us have more than one such ancestor. Right Craig? As a matter > of fact, Don, I know you're a member of IBSSG. (GRIN) > > I mentioned Craig in the paragraph above and have to tell you > what he posted when I applied for membership in IBSSG. He > said that I qualified for membership in my own right! I "think" > he meant that I was Black Sheep enough myself that I didn't > need an ancestor to make me eligible. Dang, now no one will > want me in his/her family tree! Sob. > > Anyway, Don, don't let it bother you. Everyone has a bad > apple back there somewhere, even those "who pick and choose > whom they will allow to appear in their Family Tree". They > either haven't found that bad apple yet, or have and choose > to ignore him/her. > > Regards, > Sarge

Alexandra, The State of Mo. has a death certficate online for Albert Dunn, born 2-28-1855 in St. Louis and died Mar 2, 1924. He was buried in Calvary Cemetery on Mar 5th. His wife was Mary E. Dunn and they lived at 2320 O'Fallon. He was a butcher. His father was Thomas Dunn, born in Ireland, and his mother was Mary Sullivan also of Ireland. Maybe he was a big baseball fan. I hope this helps. Lynne in Va. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I am researching a family related to Thomas Dunn, who was a butcher in St. Louis in the 1850s. Allied names with this family are Lonergan End Flynn Hennessy Sullivan Soller Hipolite Reeves Wentworth I believe Thomas Dunn married Mary Sullivan in the 1850s and had children by her. When she died, he married her sister, Hannah, who was , by then, the widow of Patrick Hennessy. Thomas Dunn and Hannah also had children together. I would like to get this second generation straightened out. Almost all of the first and second generation of Dunns and Hennessys are buried in Calvary Cemetery. An added note. An Albert Dunn, who was most probably a son or grandson, and who died as an adult, is buried in Calvary, and on his headstone are carved a baseball bat and a baseball. Any information welcomed. Thank you. Alexandra ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091

My g-g-great-grandmother was Helena Maria Schroeder.? She lived in Handrup in the parish of Lengerich in the Emsland region in Germany.? Go to www.emslanders.com? for a listing of research on the families from this region - it is excellent - many who settled in St. Joseph's parishin north St. Louis.? On that website go to Schlangen, Maria Engel.? Her mother is Helena Maria Schroeder.? Next entry down is a sister - another daughter of Helena Maria Schroeder, named Maria Helena Schlange (I think they left the e off - same parents) and you will see she married Johan Bernard Herbers.? Click on his entry and you will see his sister next entry down.? She married Bernard Anton Burichter (Burrichter).? Then if you go to www.stlcathcem.com and type in Helen Hubers up will come her entry.? Click on the lot number and you will see Marie A. Burrichter buried in the plot in 1904.? I believe the name Herbers was misread in the transcription and should be Herbers instead of Hubers.? I sug! gest you also contact Brian Golden at btgolden@swbell.net .? Brian is descended from Helena Maria Schroeder and has had a researcher check the church rcords in Germany.? I checked the information he sent me but there was no entries from the researcher on the Schroeder line but Brian may have updated information.? I would be interested to hear if you are related to this Schroeder family.??? -----Original Message----- From: ladyslipper_entre-nous <toadsmoor@yahoo.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:19 pm Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] for MaryAnn-- re:Burrichter/Schroeder Mary Ann, What info do you have on the Burrichter/Schroeder families? I don't think I have heard from you since the posting. Thanks so much. Alex Koch in Missouri researching these names in my family tree: Burrichter/Schroeder/Nonnenkamp/Koch/Willems/Shannon/Fair/Kelly/Hennessy/Clear/Neusel/Enders and Pappe among others with St. Louis connections. mid-1800s --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Mary Ann, What info do you have on the Burrichter/Schroeder families? I don't think I have heard from you since the posting. Thanks so much. Alex Koch in Missouri researching these names in my family tree: Burrichter/Schroeder/Nonnenkamp/Koch/Willems/Shannon/Fair/Kelly/Hennessy/Clear/Neusel/Enders and Pappe among others with St. Louis connections. mid-1800s --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

Wow Dan! Thanks for all the information. Lynne ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 5/27/2007 11:08:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, AldDan@aol.com writes: Along with structural changes, the facility has also undergone various name changes. When the City of St. Louis separated from St. Louis County, the facility's name changed from St. Louis County Lunatic Asylum to St. Louis City Insane Asylum. Thirty-five years later, it was renamed City Sanitarium. ________ FYI, the City separated from the County in 1876. Here is the correct web site for the Missouri Institute of Mental Health Library: _http://www.mimh.edu/library/_ (http://www.mimh.edu/library/) There is a link there stating the following: Archival Patient Records 1869 - 1911 Patients were first admitted to the St. Louis County Insane Asylum on Arsenal Street in April, 1869. In 1876, with the political split between St. Louis County and St. Louis City, the asylum came under City jurisdiction and was called the St. Louis City Asylum. In the 1920s the facility was known as the St. Louis City Sanitarium. In the 1940s the facility came under the auspices of the Missouri Division of Mental Diseases, and was named the St. Louis State Hospital. In the 1990s the name was once again changed to St. Louis Psychiatric Rehabilitation Center. The patients listed in the asylum records from 1869 - 1911 were under the County and later the City authorities, not the State. The Library has the original patient record books from 1869 through 1911, plus microfilmed copies of the record books. With authorized permission, individuals doing mental health history research or genealogical research may use the microfilmed copies for their study. Prior to planning to use the archival records please contact the MIMH Librarian at _christina.sullivan@mimh.edu_ (mailto:christina.sullivan@mimh.edu) or 314-877-6516 for further information and guidelines. Dan McGuire ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 5/27/2007 4:44:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, GMECPA@aol.com writes: I had a great uncle who was an inmate in "The Sanitarium--The City Insane Asylum" in St. Louis (ward 24) in 1910. Does anyone know if only insane people were staying there, or if it was a catch-all institutution for people with other illnesses etc. My great uncle funtioned as a tinner in a tin shop in all of the censuses 1880-1930 with the exception of the 1910 census. Thanks, Lynne in Va. ________________________________________ Lynne, you might want to contact: Missouri Institute of Mental Health Library 5300 Arsenal Street St. Louis, Missouri 63139 Telephone: (314) 877-6514 Here's some general information on the facility. Dan McGuire, St. Louis __________________________________________ This building (at 5300 Arsenal Street, St. Louis, Missouri 63139) is currently operated as the St. Louis Psychiatric Rehabilitation Center (SLPRC, formerly St. Louis State Hospital) is a JCAHO accredited, 196-bed psychiatric hospital which is operated by the Missouri Department of Mental Health. In addition, SLPRC is certified to provide Medicare/ Medicaid services by the Health Care Financing Administration. A part of the community for over 130 years, the hospital has seen the surrounding neighborhoods change from fields and farms to a thriving residential and business area known as "The Hill," famous for many fabulous restaurants, markets and bakeries. The hospital moved into all new facilities in 1997, including a 4-ward hospital facility and 14 residential cottages. SLPRC provides high quality intermediate and long-term inpatient psychiatric and psychosocial rehabilitation services to adults with severe, persistent mental illnesses including Axis I syndromes and Axis II personality disorders. Also, patients requiring forensic evaluation and treatment/rehabilitation are committed to the hospital from the Eastern Region of Missouri and are comprised of those from urban, suburban and rural areas. For the following see: _http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/slprc/History.htm_ (http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/slprc/History.htm) St. Louis Psychiatric Rehabilitation Center History ____________________________________ (http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/slprc/dome_top_only_small.jpg) On April 23, 1869, St. Louis County Lunatic Asylum opened its doors to 150 mentally ill people. Work began in August 1864. Designed and built by architect William Rumbold, it is the second governmental facility in the state to serve this population. Rumbold's vision was to recall Imperial Rome, resulting in the cast-iron-dome and plans that called for fine imported marble pillars for the front portico. Rumbold's cast-iron-structured dome on the old St. Louis County Lunatic Asylum, now called St. Louis Psychiatric Rehabilitation Center has dominated the landscape of south St. Louis for over a century. In the beginning, it was generally held to be magnificent after which the fashion for ornamental extravagance faded and it came to be considered everything from monstrous to quaint. Now, however, it has regained a place of architectural importance, not so much by being beautiful, as by being old. It is also one of a unique matched pair in St. Louis; the other being Rumbold's do (http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/slprc/back_of_dome_bldg_small.jpg) me over the old Court House at Fourth and Market Streets. The dome is even a sort of skeleton cousin to what is probably the most widely recognized dome in the world; the one surmounting the Capitol in Washington, D.C. Rumbold may not have been the prime architect for the great dome in Washington, but he was an honored consultant at least. Due to his failing health, Rumbold had been buried fifteen months in Bellefontaine Cemetery before the St. Louis County Insane Asylum formally accepted its first patients. The erecting of the St. Louis County Lunatic Asylum brought about other historical features, one being a 3,843 foot artesian well. Boring on this well began March 31, 1866 and continued six days a week for three years, five months and ten days until August 9, 1869. The sulfur laden water well was considered the deepest well in the U.S., as well as the deepest well in the State of Missouri until 1966. Famous though it came to be, however, the well was never more than a kind of afterthought. It wasn't part of Rumbold's original plan, and its success, or as it turned out, its failure, has had no important effect upon the building of the hospital. As a matter of fact, the well did not produce drinkable water although it periodically produced brackish trickles to remind the drillers that the vicinity was famous for its mineral spas. Finally, the well was abandoned and sealed off, and no one today is quite sure where the top of the shaft is hidden. Another historical element is an engine built before 1889 that remains operational i (http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/slprc/power_plant_small.jpg) n the power plant. The power plant burns coal, waste, gas and oil, and at peak capacity could light a town of 10,000 people. Its refrigeration unit produced 24 tons of ice daily for governmental facilities in the St. Louis area. Additionally, a very high grade of coal was mined on the 53 acres until the mine was abandoned and filled with waste. Even in its earliest years the hospital never did operate with the 150 patients for which it had been designed. Within two decades of opening, it had 216 patients. On October 6, 1907, construction began on new wings and annexes (known as buildings B, C, D, E, G, H, I, J, and separate K building) to the original building to accommodate 2000 patients and employees. The next overflow crisis occurred in the early 1920s which precipitated a separate building being erected for attendants' quarters. This freed space in the hospital into which patients could be moved. By 1940, the hospital had 3,844 patients. (http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/slprc/kohler_bldg_w_dome_overhead_small.jpg) Dr. Louis Kohler took over the hospital when was 120 percent overcrowded. He established an out-patient clinic and a three-year residency program for psychiatrists. On October 22, 1962, the Louis H. Kohler Building was erected. It included 4 floors with wings on each side. In 1968, a contract was awarded to add two additional floors on the Kohler Building, which would make the building six floors. The Missouri Institute of Psychiatry, now Missouri Institute of Mental Health (MIMH), was established in the Kohler Building. MIMH, now fully identified with the medical school of the University of Missouri, has reasserted the dynamics and drive that were part of the birthright of St. Louis Psychiatric Rehabilitation Center when it was the very new County Insane Asylum. Patient population figures for the first time in a century have shown a downward trend and the facility, thanks in part to U. S. government grants, is increasingly exploring frontier problems of psychiatry. To reflect downsizing, in the early 1990s, the East wing (known as buildings G, H, I, and J) of the Dome Building were demolished. Along with structural changes, the facility has also undergone various name changes. When the City of St. Louis separated from St. Louis County, the facility's name changed from St. Louis County Lunatic Asylum to St. Louis City Insane Asylum. Thirty-five years later, it was renamed City Sanitarium. In 1948 the City of St. Louis sold the City Sanitarium to the State of Missouri for the sum of one dollar. The General Assembly renamed the facility St. Louis State Hospital. In October 1997, St. Louis State Hospital moved into its new quarters at 5300 Arsenal. To reflect the new philosophy of treating psychiatric illness, the facility was renamed to St. Louis Psychiatric Rehabilitation Center. This new psychiatric and rehabilitation facility is constructed to accommodate 212 clients, housed in a series of 14 cottages and 4 wards. The West wing annex (buildings B, C, D, and E) of the original Dome Building and the Kohler Building were demolished. This demolition accomplished two goals, the first being the removal of the Kohler Building which blocked the view of the historical Dome Building. And secondly, leveling the remaining West wing returned the Dome's structure to Rumbold's original design. The YMCA has built a facility on the West end of the facility property. The land was donated by the Department of Mental Health. (http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/slprc/water_tower_fall_small.jpg) The water tower on the campus was dismantled on October 14, 1998. The tower, a landmark since the early 1960s which could be seen for 20 miles, held 200,000 gallons of water. For over 130 years, SLPRC has been providing high quality inpatient psychiatric and psychosocial rehabilitation services to adults with severe, persistent mental illnesses. For more historical data, contact the Missouri Institute of Mental Health Library which is located on the grounds of SLPRC at: 5300 Arsenal Street St. Louis, Missouri 63139 Telephone: (314) 877-6514 _http://www.mimh.edu/mimhweb/pie/lib/library.htm_ (http://www.mimh.edu/mimhweb/pie/lib/library.htm) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Alex, >From what I can determine, yes, there is a blood relationship between the Nonnenkamps and Grefenkamps. In the 1850 Missouri census, Catherine Nunnenkamp (53 years old) was living with Henry Grefenkamp, his wife Elizabeth and their 3 children. In the 1860 and 1870 Missouri census, she was still living with the same family. A lot of Nonnenkamp's were godparents of Henry & Elizabeth's children. There was a Maria Elisabeth, Ann Marie, and Elisabeth named. I'm fairly certain that Catherine was Henry Grefenkamp's mother-in-law. Marsha, also in Missouri >From: ladyslipper_entre-nous <toadsmoor@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] for Marsha/Greffenkamps >Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:36:45 -0700 (PDT) > >--------------- >Marsha, is there a blood relationship between the Greffenkamps and the >Nonnenkamps, do you know? (mid 1800s, St. Louis, MO) >Thanks. >Alex, in Missouri >--------------------------------- > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >The fish are biting. >Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. >http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507

I had a great uncle who was an inmate in "The Sanitarium--The City Insane Asylum" in St. Louis (ward 24) in 1910. Does anyone know if only insane people were staying there, or if it was a catch-all institutution for people with other illnesses etc. My great uncle funtioned as a tinner in a tin shop in all of the censuses 1880-1930 with the exception of the 1910 census. Thanks, Lynne in Va. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Purgatory The year of 1921 was a year so full of catastrophe and gut wrenching pain that Ralph was never able to fully recover from this pain and humiliation. He would be destroyed by the Missouri state legal system, but never fully destroyed as long as he lived, it just wasn't in him to quit when he was behind. Simply put; Ralph was arrested for first degree murder among other charges. This single event in my life proved to me how really dumb I always denied being. The reason I feel so stupid is, "I never asked detailed questions while Ralph was still alive." In one of our bull sessions I once asked Ralph what happened to Betty after they divorced in 1919. He told me he thought she had gone back south to one of three places. He named Cape Girardeau, Ellsinore or Poplar Bluff, but he wasn't sure. Sometime in 1920 Ralph was still interested in Betty Mae enough to start asking questions about her, even though they were divorced, and I believe was the reason he was in Cape Girardeau living with three brothers named, Luther Little, Herbert Little and William Little, and had hopes of a reconciliation. I have a stack of court papers as thick as my finger is long and I will shorten the story as much as I can. Ralph maintained through out the rest of his life; "I never killed nobody and I never stole anything that belonged to another man." And I Believe Him. The following year of 1921 was to be Ralph's most catastrophic year ever and was to be the beginning of his life in purgatory. A life he was never to recover from. Ralph was arrested March 11, 1921 and jailed in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. His charges were; First degree murder, burglary, larceny and a month later of breaking jail. His total sentence for all this was twenty years, plus two years for breaking jail, with only eleven years served at the Missouri State Prison in Jefferson City, Missouri; during his trial his charges were reduced to second degree murder. It was in prison that Ralph learned the shoe making trade. He was placed there January 5,1922 and released April 27,1933 in the middle of America's worst depression. Ralph said, "I didn't do it." And I believe him. I knew my grandfather, Ralph Waldo Brasher Sr, from the day I was born and then even better while living with him on his farm in the 1950s. I knew his faults and his strengths, his sense of fair play, his attitudes, and his way of solving problems. I knew his bigotries and his prejudices and what impressed him and made him happy or fill up with laughter. But never did I admit he was right while I was growing up. I couldn't, he hid too much of his good side. But make no mistake, I loved this grouchy old man and harbor nothing but fond memories of growing up with him in a huge Park called the, "Ozarks." But getting back to Ralph's incarceration; I found that the only charge against him that I believe is true is, breaking jail. Ralph had a very strong sense of what was right and wrong. If he believed he was unjustly accused, he would have taken matters into his own hands and would most certainly try for freedom. The court papers I have copies of, say that Luther Little received a total of forty-two years and the other two bothers, Herbert Little and William Little received 35 years. This leads me to believe that Ralph didn't really have much to do with the robbery and killing of the store owner where the offenses occurred, but in those days the old saying, "Birds of a feather flock together," was a saying that held a special meaning. You were guilty by association if your friends were guilty. Ralph arrived at the state prison in Jefferson City, Missouri January 5, 1922 not yet 28 years old, where he was to remain until sixteen days after his thirty ninth birthday. He was released April 27,1933. The 1933 St Louis street directory shows Ralph living at 1416 Monroe which indicates that Ralph, upon his release, went directly to St Louis. Beatings were meted out for the slightest infraction of the rules in prison. Loud talk, laughter, slow movement, fast movement, sloppiness, practical jokes and worst of all talking back or defending yourself verbally to a guard. Talking back to a guard had an additional penalty added to the beating. Should you talk back to a guard you also received time in a dark, damp dungeon. Ralph did exactly that, he complained to a guard about the way he was talking to his ex-wife, Betty Mae, when she came for visits and comments he made to her in front of Ralph. The beatings, for Ralph, lasted through out the first year of his stay with the state of Missouri and didn't end until he finally convinced Betty Mae that she was the cause of so much pain. (Remember; by this time Ralph and Betty Mae were divorced.)

"No, you dummy, I met her in Cape Girardeau while she was living just up the road from us with her granddad and uncle in 1915." "Wait a minute you old cradle robber, you were twenty one and she was sixteen, how do you explain that?" "Simple, her mother signed for her. Besides, Mae at sixteen was at least ten years older than my twenty one years." Note: It would be about forty years later that I discovered my Grandfather, Ralph W. Brasher Sr, did not always tell the truth. I discovered on Betty and Ralph's marriage license that Ralph's mother signed for Betty as the bride's mother, not her own mother, Josie Roper. Josie had died in childbirth in 1899 when Betty was born. "Gramps, why do you say that she was older if she was sixteen and you were twenty one?: "Because most people, especially the big industrialists of the world know that money makes the wheels of progress turn. Mae knew the wheels turned on sex." "What the hell are you talking about now?" "Listen up dummy and learn so that later in life you won't fall into the clutches of some female weaving a web bent on sucking your life's blood from your carcass. Mae started her married life by holding off her wifely duties unless she got some clothes or some other doo-dad or favor. Even on our honeymoon she didn't give in until I promised her a trip to Hot Springs, Arkansas. Good thing her daddy worked for the railroad too, otherwise we would have had to walk." "Walk? You would have had to have the stamina of a Missouri mule." "At twenty one, I did have the staying power of a Missouri mule." "What about Betty?" "She had the staying power of a dying Missouri Butterfly." "Gramps, what the heck are we talking about here?" "For the almost four years we were married Mae showed more interest in the men folk around us than she paid to me or any other member of her family." "Four years? You mean you and Betty were married only four years?" "Yep, about four years." "When the heck did you have time enough to make babies, and where did my dad and aunt Nolda come from?" "If I remember correctly, it was the two times I made love to Mae and she was having sex that they appeared shortly there after." "Good lord gramps, wasn't there any romance in your first marriage?" "Can't seem to remember any, but there was a lot of excitement every time I had to go looking for her when she didn't come home." "Gramps, what was your marriage really like, what happened?" "What happened was that I finally got fed up after we moved to St Louis in 1918. If you'll remember, we got married in 1915, by 1916 your dad was born, then in 1917 we moved to St Louis while Mae was pregnant with your Aunt Nolda who was born the following year of 1918, by 1919 I had been called into the Army and when I was discharged and found Mae missing, I had enough and filed for divorce when I saw she would never change and moved back to my stepfather and mother's house with the two babies. By this time my mother had moved to St Louis and it was 1920." "What made you finally decide to divorce Betty?" "It was right around that time she started to talk about moving out to California to become a Moving picture star. She said she owed it to the world to share her great beauty and she wouldn't stop talking about it, she kept pestering me about moving the kids to some place called Hollywood." "Seems to me that maybe you should have moved, you might have become, "Ralph Mix, The Singing Troubadour." "Jim, why do you always have to be a gol-darn Jackass?" "Well gramps, I think it's because it's in-bred." "Yeah, I guess it is, you are Mae's grandson."

The 1899 tax ledger reads that James W. Roper was living at number 825 Johnson TWP. I believe that due to the growth of the county that boundaries were moved and re-named. I would later discover that the Ropers lived on a plantation of about 60 acres and could have possibly been leasing the land. "But Shucks," that would take the romance out of Betty Mae's stories if I only believed sixty acres instead of six thousand. Who knows, maybe the county assessor miscounted a few acres. Back To Ralph A couple of things that bother me today is; how magnificent is a sixty acre plantation and where would you house hundreds of field hands that took care of that plantation and where would you fit them between all those mules, cows and hogs; and still have enough room to grow cotton? The evening that Ralph gave me the pictures I asked him where Mae's plantation was. He told me it was some where in the Ozarks and doubted very much that it was a plantation of any size. He also assured me that it did not belong to her father's side of her family, but could have belonged to her grandfather. "Well," said I, Where did they grow all that cotton that made them so wealthy?" "Any fool knows you have to grow it out in the field." "How do you know she was telling the truth gramps?" "Well. . ." Mae said there were at least three hundred and possibly more field hands that her daddy had to watch like a hawk to keep them all working so that the cotton was ready at picking time. "You know gramps, something's wrong here with her story." "Why, I can't think of what it might be, unless you consider her daddy was a railroad man all his life." "First off this is starting to sound like a scene out of the movie, 'Gone with the Wind." "Listen Jim, are you saying your grandmother would lie?" "Well no, I'm not, but where was the plantation if it was so small like you said?" "I'll tell you when you find it, but just remember you can stretch a rubber band all the way to the end before it breaks." "What the heck does that mean?" "It means that if two people are pulling on a rubber band and they pull too hard, one of them is going to get smacked on the finger, usually the innocent one." "Why don't you just tell me not to believe her stories instead of talking in circles?" "Because it wouldn't be as much fun if I couldn't watch you go through life holding your finger." "Gramps, I give up." "Guess you better or you'll be as crazy as she was." "Well I'm still the gr-gr-grandson of an Army General." "Mabel, Mabel, come quick and bring some ice, your grandson has a touch of sun stroke, he believes Mae Brown was raised on a cotton plantation and the off spring of a Confederate General." And that's the way it always went when Ralph and I started talking man to man on his front porch when I went to visit Mabel in later life, I still wasn't visiting Ralph, that would come later. On Another Visit Talking to Ralph was like having a mosquito bite on your arm that you had to keep scratching until it bled, you didn't want to scratch, but you just couldn't stop until it started bleeding. On another visit we were sitting on Ralph's front porch when I asked innocently: "Gramps, if Betty Mae was so crazy like you say, why did you marry her?" "Because I was young and full of manly vigor and a fine figure of a man and she was the prettiest young lady in the county, maybe in the whole state." "Young? You've always been an old goat, why would the prettiest girl in the county want you?" "Now do you see what I've been telling you all your life? You never see what's in front of your own nose." "What the heck are you talking about now?" "When Mae and I got married, your old granddad had many young female hearts fluttering to the point that their knees wobbled and the sweat broke out in buckets." "You mean you met her in a cotton field during picking time?"

Hey Jim.................good to see you are at work again.........Mary JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com> wrote: Hi Mary: I was starting to worry if I was to hear from you. I can now relax. Everything is very well and my story is working very well for me too. I am hearing from Browns who I had no idea existed. Not all are related though. Betty Mae's picture is now on line down in Paragould, Arkansas, in fact she now has two pictures displayed. Will talk later.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Moore To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part 3 Hey Jim.............hope all is well. I am still enjoying your wonderful stories. Mary JAMES O BRASHER > wrote: Betty Mae Brown and Ralph Waldo Brasher are married March 30, 1915 in Cape Girardeau, MO by a justice of the peace. They will have two children. Children of Ralph Waldo and Betty May Brasher Sr 1. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, b: Feb 19, 1916 Cape Girardeau, MO. --d: Jun 6, 1971 California. 2. Nolda May Brasher, b: Jan 9, 1918 St Louis, MO--d: Nov 13, 2000 Florida Ralph and Betty would divorce about 1919 and Betty would fade away until about 1923. The 1920 census shows Ralph Sr and his two children living with his mother and Stepfather in St Louis, MO, it reads: McClard David, Head, age: 38, married. Laura, wife, age: 44, married. Brasher Ralph, stepson, age: 25, Divorced. Nolda, stepgranddau. Age: 1 4/12 sing. Ralph Jr, stepgrandson., age: 3 3/12, sing. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, born Feb 9, 1916 and Florence Margaret McQuillen, born Jan 17, 1915, married May 5, 1933. Ralph Jr and Florence would divorce in 1949. But even though they did, they would remain stepbrother and stepsister. Ralph Sr, my father's father, married Mabel Vie, my mother's mother on May 19, 1934 just one year and two weeks after their kids married. The older couple would remain married until their deaths in 1968, both being buried in Cuba, Missouri. Life Goes On After I reached my late teens, just prior to going into the Army, I returned to visit my grandmother, Mabel, many times in Cuba, Missouri on their farm. I never visited Ralph, he was too damn hard headed and by the time I reached nineteen I knew everything in the world anyway and didn't need his advice about anything. Still, I enjoyed talking to the old grump and listening to what he had to say, I just was not about to admit that anything he had to say was worthy of my consideration. I was still mad at him for hitting me on the head with a piece of stove wood a couple of years previous. To make matters worse, he didn't even feel guilty even a smidgeon about being a homicidal maniac the night he caught me coming home so late. He didn't even care that I was in love that night and she was to blame for my transgression and here I was an almost fully grown sixteen year old man coming home at only midnight. But, life does truly go on. On my visits to the farm in later years I did look forward to listening to Ralph's stories and it was while we sat on the front porch in the evenings that Ralph would start telling me a little bit about his life. One subject he covered was Betty Mae Brown. His stories about Betty always seemed to come in bits and pieces and took over ten years to tell. It was during one of these talk sessions that Ralph gave me two pictures of Betty's that I still have today. One picture was of Betty taken about 1904 or 1905 when she was five or six years old with an unknown lady named Isis Coffman taken in Paragould, Arkansas, this information comes from the back of the picture. The other picture was a tin type bent at the edges and somewhat faded of a confederate soldier. The confederate soldier I am guessing is Betty Mae's grandfather, James W. Roper. I noticed early on, that every time Ralph talked about Betty, two things never changed; he always called her "Mae" and he always said, "Mae was such a liar that you could never be totally sure what the truth was." From the first time I met her at age eight, she called herself Betty and I always felt she was hiding something, she always reminded me of the lady who pinched little kids when their parents weren't looking to make them cry so that they would get away and leave her alone. The evening Ralph gave me the picture of Betty Mae and Isis Coffman I asked, "Gramps, who is this?" "That's your grandmother, Mae Brown." "You mean dad's mother and your first wife?" "Yep, do you want to hear the story behind it as she told it to me?" "I sure would," said I. "Well. . ." That picture of Mae and the ugly woman with her was taken in Paragould, Arkansas one day when Mae was a little girl and visiting off the plantation while riding the train on an excursion trip to see part of the world. "Hey, wait a minute gramps, what the heck do you mean plantation?" "Well, Mae claimed that she came from a very wealthy family who owned a cotton farm over in Ellsinore before her mother died." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! 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Hi Mary: I was starting to worry if I was to hear from you. I can now relax. Everything is very well and my story is working very well for me too. I am hearing from Browns who I had no idea existed. Not all are related though. Betty Mae's picture is now on line down in Paragould, Arkansas, in fact she now has two pictures displayed. Will talk later.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Moore<mailto:tisherself1020@yahoo.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Betty Mae Brown-Part 3 Hey Jim.............hope all is well. I am still enjoying your wonderful stories. Mary JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> wrote: Betty Mae Brown and Ralph Waldo Brasher are married March 30, 1915 in Cape Girardeau, MO by a justice of the peace. They will have two children. Children of Ralph Waldo and Betty May Brasher Sr 1. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, b: Feb 19, 1916 Cape Girardeau, MO. --d: Jun 6, 1971 California. 2. Nolda May Brasher, b: Jan 9, 1918 St Louis, MO--d: Nov 13, 2000 Florida Ralph and Betty would divorce about 1919 and Betty would fade away until about 1923. The 1920 census shows Ralph Sr and his two children living with his mother and Stepfather in St Louis, MO, it reads: McClard David, Head, age: 38, married. Laura, wife, age: 44, married. Brasher Ralph, stepson, age: 25, Divorced. Nolda, stepgranddau. Age: 1 4/12 sing. Ralph Jr, stepgrandson., age: 3 3/12, sing. Ralph Waldo Brasher Jr, born Feb 9, 1916 and Florence Margaret McQuillen, born Jan 17, 1915, married May 5, 1933. Ralph Jr and Florence would divorce in 1949. But even though they did, they would remain stepbrother and stepsister. Ralph Sr, my father's father, married Mabel Vie, my mother's mother on May 19, 1934 just one year and two weeks after their kids married. The older couple would remain married until their deaths in 1968, both being buried in Cuba, Missouri. Life Goes On After I reached my late teens, just prior to going into the Army, I returned to visit my grandmother, Mabel, many times in Cuba, Missouri on their farm. I never visited Ralph, he was too damn hard headed and by the time I reached nineteen I knew everything in the world anyway and didn't need his advice about anything. Still, I enjoyed talking to the old grump and listening to what he had to say, I just was not about to admit that anything he had to say was worthy of my consideration. I was still mad at him for hitting me on the head with a piece of stove wood a couple of years previous. To make matters worse, he didn't even feel guilty even a smidgeon about being a homicidal maniac the night he caught me coming home so late. He didn't even care that I was in love that night and she was to blame for my transgression and here I was an almost fully grown sixteen year old man coming home at only midnight. But, life does truly go on. On my visits to the farm in later years I did look forward to listening to Ralph's stories and it was while we sat on the front porch in the evenings that Ralph would start telling me a little bit about his life. One subject he covered was Betty Mae Brown. His stories about Betty always seemed to come in bits and pieces and took over ten years to tell. It was during one of these talk sessions that Ralph gave me two pictures of Betty's that I still have today. One picture was of Betty taken about 1904 or 1905 when she was five or six years old with an unknown lady named Isis Coffman taken in Paragould, Arkansas, this information comes from the back of the picture. The other picture was a tin type bent at the edges and somewhat faded of a confederate soldier. The confederate soldier I am guessing is Betty Mae's grandfather, James W. Roper. I noticed early on, that every time Ralph talked about Betty, two things never changed; he always called her "Mae" and he always said, "Mae was such a liar that you could never be totally sure what the truth was." From the first time I met her at age eight, she called herself Betty and I always felt she was hiding something, she always reminded me of the lady who pinched little kids when their parents weren't looking to make them cry so that they would get away and leave her alone. The evening Ralph gave me the picture of Betty Mae and Isis Coffman I asked, "Gramps, who is this?" "That's your grandmother, Mae Brown." "You mean dad's mother and your first wife?" "Yep, do you want to hear the story behind it as she told it to me?" "I sure would," said I. "Well. . ." That picture of Mae and the ugly woman with her was taken in Paragould, Arkansas one day when Mae was a little girl and visiting off the plantation while riding the train on an excursion trip to see part of the world. "Hey, wait a minute gramps, what the heck do you mean plantation?" "Well, Mae claimed that she came from a very wealthy family who owned a cotton farm over in Ellsinore before her mother died." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! 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It might be possible, but the direct line moved to St. Clair in the 1800s. I don't know if the family you speak of might be related. Matthais Sr. bought a farm in St. Clair. To my knowledge the family stayed there. His son Henry Martin was my grandfather. He worked for the RR in St. Louis, and later in Scott City/Illmo [down by Cape Girardeau]. They stayed there most of his life. Henry Jr., my father, worked in St. Louis in the mid-50s, but for Fisher Auto Body, roughly 1955-7. There may have been other Baders in St. Louis, and there's a pocket out in St. Genevieve. I suspect they're related somehow, but havent been able to track much down yet. Sorry we're not the ones you knew. Madi ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis Burials - Wives of Matthais Bader. Date: 5/24/2007 2:37:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _jims505@msn.com_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com) To: _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com) Sent on: Hi Madelyn: I saw this e-mail after I replied to your other one on Septimus. You posted this one about your Bader family and I am wondering if you may not be related to the Bader family I worked for in the early 1950s in Downtown St Louis. Was your family in the Art Supply business? I delivered Art Supplies for them in 1952 when I was a young and upcoming 17 year old rush about.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis Burials - Wives of Matthais Bader. Hello. I am trying to locate two burials, both wives of Matthias Bader, and both believed to be buried somewhere in St. Louis. Questions at bottom. Here is what I know. Matthias Bader, b. 1828 Dunstelkingen, Jagstkreis, Wuerttemberg, arrived on ship from Germany at New York Aug 17 1854. Family report says he went to Wisconsin - I have no confirmation of that, and have been unable to find anything that says so. He then went to Illinois. This I know is likely as he has a daughter, Anna, who came to St. Louis with him. So at some point, he married. Possibly Married 9 Mar 1858 Illinois or Wisconsin? Wife's name unknown. Anna Bader, b. abt 1865, accdg to census records. Matthias Bader Jr. B. 23 Jan 1869, St. Louis. [So I am assuming the first wife was here at that time.] 13 July 1869, St. Louis Married Maria Anna Leppert [Maria and her family lived in the hotel/boarding house he ran, she was the widow of Georg Hitzler, and had 2-3 children of her own, which I have not been able to track down. One was born on ship coming to the USA]. Margret Bader B. 5 Aug 1871 Joseph Bader B. 6 Mar 1873 George Bader B. May 1876 July 1876, moved to St. Clair Missouri soon after this. M. Christina Luchsinger Henry Martin Bader, b.18 Dec 1877 Joseph Bader, b 19 Oct 1882 John Bader, b. April 1884 Willam Bader, B. Dec 1889 The questions I am looking for answer to involve these. Who was wife number 1, where did they marry and when? Were Anna and Matthias the only children of that marriage? Where is wife #1 buried? Where is Georg Hitzler buried and when did he die? Where is Maria Anna Leppert Hitzler Bader buried and when did she die? Anyone have suggestions for searches? I've done mostly online searching since I'm not in the St. Louis area. I did try the catholic cemeteries that were online, and didn't find, but the name Bader gets butchered. I've seen it as Boder, Bader, Badger, Bauer, Buder, Beiter. Mathais is alternately spelled either way, Matthais, or Matthias. Thanks in advance for any help and advice. Madelyn B. - Henry Bader Jr. -Henry Bader, Sr - Matthais Bader ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dennis, I am also researching the Grefenkamp family. I have a copy of the World War I biography and service >questionnarie for George J. Grefenkamp from when I visited your wonderful >Missouri Historical Society, but I didn't know there was a Civil War-era >loyalty oath signed by John H. Grefenkamp. Is there a way I could get a >photocopy of that? Let me know what the procedure is. Thanks for any help you can give me. Sincerely, Marsha >From: Dennis Northcott <dpn@mohistory.org> >Reply-To: dpn@mohistory.org, mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Bitter, Luecke, Greffenkamp >Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:14:09 -0500 > >Hi Alex, > >There is a reference to a Fred H. Luecke in a publication titled >Official Record. Minutes and Historical Review of the St. Louis German >Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church: Fortieth Annual Session >Held at Eden Church, St. Louis, Mo., September 9-13, 1925 (Warrenton, >Mo.: Press, Banner Pub. Co., [1925]) > >I also found a reference to a World War I biography and service >questionnarie for a George J. Grefenkamp, and a reference to a Civil >War-era loyalty oath signed by John H. Grefenkamp. > >Let me know if you would like photocopies of any of these items. > >Sincerely, >Dennis Northcott >Associate Archivist for Reference >Missouri Historical Society (St. Louis) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507

I am researching the Grefenkamp family in St. Louis, MO from that time period. Contact me for more information. Marsha (also from Missouri) >From: ladyslipper_entre-nous <toadsmoor@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Bitter, Luecke, Greffenkamp >Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT) > >Is any lister researaching any of these names from mid-1800s St. Louis, MO? >Bitter, Luecke, Greffenkamp > >Hope so. > >Thanks, > >Alex in Missouri > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________Sick >sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's >Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. >http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507