Hi all, I found some information on family records that relatives worked for the following two companies in St. Louis: International Shoe Company Curlee Clothing Company Reliable Clothing Company Does anyone know anything about these two companies or where I can find information about them? Old employee rolls? Also, my grandmother was a member of a workers union: Amalgamated Clothing Workers Union No. 82. Is there anyone who might know about old workers unions and if they might hold employee records? Thanks in advance for anyone's help. Sharon

Hi Sharon- Try googling the companies, there are plenty of hits for Curlee and the Amalgamated Clothing Workers Union. here is a link for a bit about International Shoe: http://www.lex2k.org/jurisdiction/shoe.html Hope this helps Kate SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: Hi all, I found some information on family records that relatives worked for the following two companies in St. Louis: International Shoe Company Curlee Clothing Company Reliable Clothing Company Does anyone know anything about these two companies or where I can find information about them? Old employee rolls? Also, my grandmother was a member of a workers union: Amalgamated Clothing Workers Union No. 82. Is there anyone who might know about old workers unions and if they might hold employee records? Thanks in advance for anyone's help. Sharon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.

There is a biographical sketch (including a portrait) of Tobias Spengler in Hyde and Conard's Encyclopedia of the History of St. Louis (Volume IV, page 2114). If you'd like to provide your postal mailing address, I can send you a photocopy. Also, I believe this publication has been digitized by Heritage Quest. Dennis Northcott Missouri Historical Society

Obituary information. You can get obit information from the library in St Louis. They have them by year and then alphabetized. It is cheap to order. They have some 1800 ones and some 1900 ones. There are some gaps like in the 1920's but appreciate that ST Louis has all that information available. I think volunteers are finishing the few years not done yet. Glad some of my family is from there for genealogy research as others are almost impossible to get copies of. Death certificates which you can often print out on line or order for cheap from the State archives are also very helpful form a genealogy point of view. I obtained tons of very helpful information from the death certificates which are available from 1910 to the early 1950's. You often get the name of the deceased's maternal and paternal name and place of origin. There are also some birth information and I have only looked in St Louis for that can be obtained from the State Archives also. Missouri is a great state to do genealogy research. Other states are non existent to very limited by comparison. A great record keeping state for genealogy research hobby folks. Jane Vaughan Tampa, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "G STOLTMAN" <stopan@msn.com> To: "mo-stlouis-metro" <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . > Hi Phil > > Just want to make sure you know that Bremen was a town north of StL until > 1855, when it was annexed. It's now known roughly as the Hyde Park area. > If you look at a map it's easy to spot. You'll notice that the streets do > not run parallel to the streets in StL common. That's because they were > built perpendicular to the Mississippi at its point when it was a separate > town. > > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Philips Family > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:36 PM > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . > > Gary - Thanks for the info, it is both interesting and useful. > Discovering > that I had family in St Louis was a surprise but that area sure has a > wealth > of genealogy info and folks such as yourself have been exceedingly > helpful. > Sorry for the delay in thanking you - I was back in your neck of the woods > doing a baseball tour, liking all of the trip but the humidity . . . > > Take care, and thank you, > Phil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "G STOLTMAN" <stopan@msn.com> > To: "mo-stlouis-metro" <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . > > >> Hi Phil >> >> Here's a tidbit. Mathias Spoeri was very active in the Turner movement >> and >> was one of the founders of the West Side Turner's Society. This club was >> formed in 1879 by members of the Schiller Club. It was primarily a social >> group but fostered art presentations by its members. Gymnastic classes >> were held there for the members (this was the common thread between all >> of >> the Turnverien clubs). They first had their exercises at Uhlrig's Cave (a >> famous drinking hole) and eventually built their building at the corner >> of >> Beaumont and Morgan (now Delmar) in 1880-81 at the site of a Baptist >> church. >> >> Good hunting >> >> Gary Stoltman >> Mercerville, NJ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Philips Family >> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:05 AM >> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . >> >> Good Folks - Loudwig/Louis Spoeri started a brewery in St Louis probably >> around the mid-1800's (don't know the date) and apparently his >> brother-in-law Tobias Spengler was a partner. The name of the brewery >> was >> Louis Spoeri & Company. Louis died in 1858 and ultimately Tobias took >> over. Tobias, with a son and son-in-law renamed the brewery Bremen >> Brewing Company A brief history of that company is available through >> Google. >> >> Does anyone know anything about the original Louis Spoeri & Company? I >> have seen Louis' probate file. Also, can anyone locate obits for Louis >> Spoeri and his wife Christine Spengler, and Tobias Spengler? If pictures >> exist I would like copies as well; I will pay for reproduction and >> mailing >> I am not having much luck but it appears that St. Louis has wonderful >> resources available. >> >> Any and all help appreciated. >> >> Thank you, >> Phil >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Phil Just want to make sure you know that Bremen was a town north of StL until 1855, when it was annexed. It's now known roughly as the Hyde Park area. If you look at a map it's easy to spot. You'll notice that the streets do not run parallel to the streets in StL common. That's because they were built perpendicular to the Mississippi at its point when it was a separate town. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Philips Family Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:36 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . Gary - Thanks for the info, it is both interesting and useful. Discovering that I had family in St Louis was a surprise but that area sure has a wealth of genealogy info and folks such as yourself have been exceedingly helpful. Sorry for the delay in thanking you - I was back in your neck of the woods doing a baseball tour, liking all of the trip but the humidity . . . Take care, and thank you, Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "G STOLTMAN" <stopan@msn.com> To: "mo-stlouis-metro" <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . > Hi Phil > > Here's a tidbit. Mathias Spoeri was very active in the Turner movement and > was one of the founders of the West Side Turner's Society. This club was > formed in 1879 by members of the Schiller Club. It was primarily a social > group but fostered art presentations by its members. Gymnastic classes > were held there for the members (this was the common thread between all of > the Turnverien clubs). They first had their exercises at Uhlrig's Cave (a > famous drinking hole) and eventually built their building at the corner of > Beaumont and Morgan (now Delmar) in 1880-81 at the site of a Baptist > church. > > Good hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Philips Family > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:05 AM > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . > > Good Folks - Loudwig/Louis Spoeri started a brewery in St Louis probably > around the mid-1800's (don't know the date) and apparently his > brother-in-law Tobias Spengler was a partner. The name of the brewery was > Louis Spoeri & Company. Louis died in 1858 and ultimately Tobias took > over. Tobias, with a son and son-in-law renamed the brewery Bremen > Brewing Company A brief history of that company is available through > Google. > > Does anyone know anything about the original Louis Spoeri & Company? I > have seen Louis' probate file. Also, can anyone locate obits for Louis > Spoeri and his wife Christine Spengler, and Tobias Spengler? If pictures > exist I would like copies as well; I will pay for reproduction and mailing > I am not having much luck but it appears that St. Louis has wonderful > resources available. > > Any and all help appreciated. > > Thank you, > Phil > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gary - Thanks for the info, it is both interesting and useful. Discovering that I had family in St Louis was a surprise but that area sure has a wealth of genealogy info and folks such as yourself have been exceedingly helpful. Sorry for the delay in thanking you - I was back in your neck of the woods doing a baseball tour, liking all of the trip but the humidity . . . Take care, and thank you, Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "G STOLTMAN" <stopan@msn.com> To: "mo-stlouis-metro" <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . > Hi Phil > > Here's a tidbit. Mathias Spoeri was very active in the Turner movement and > was one of the founders of the West Side Turner's Society. This club was > formed in 1879 by members of the Schiller Club. It was primarily a social > group but fostered art presentations by its members. Gymnastic classes > were held there for the members (this was the common thread between all of > the Turnverien clubs). They first had their exercises at Uhlrig's Cave (a > famous drinking hole) and eventually built their building at the corner of > Beaumont and Morgan (now Delmar) in 1880-81 at the site of a Baptist > church. > > Good hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Philips Family > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:05 AM > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . > > Good Folks - Loudwig/Louis Spoeri started a brewery in St Louis probably > around the mid-1800's (don't know the date) and apparently his > brother-in-law Tobias Spengler was a partner. The name of the brewery was > Louis Spoeri & Company. Louis died in 1858 and ultimately Tobias took > over. Tobias, with a son and son-in-law renamed the brewery Bremen > Brewing Company A brief history of that company is available through > Google. > > Does anyone know anything about the original Louis Spoeri & Company? I > have seen Louis' probate file. Also, can anyone locate obits for Louis > Spoeri and his wife Christine Spengler, and Tobias Spengler? If pictures > exist I would like copies as well; I will pay for reproduction and mailing > I am not having much luck but it appears that St. Louis has wonderful > resources available. > > Any and all help appreciated. > > Thank you, > Phil > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am still on the hunt for any information about Robert Robinson. He is located in St.Louis, working as a shoe maker in 1870. He works for Thomas Robinson, 709 Olive St. Thomas must have been a relative, but probably not his father. Robert is shown on the census as born 1849 in Eng. Thomas was born 1810 in Eng. Robert married Ellen Haslam in 1873. There was a daughter named Birdie. Robert and Ellen were divorced in 1879. That is all the information I have about Robert. He possibly married again in St. Louis - perhaps someone has a Robert of that age married to someone else? Virginia

Hi Phil Here's a tidbit. Mathias Spoeri was very active in the Turner movement and was one of the founders of the West Side Turner's Society. This club was formed in 1879 by members of the Schiller Club. It was primarily a social group but fostered art presentations by its members. Gymnastic classes were held there for the members (this was the common thread between all of the Turnverien clubs). They first had their exercises at Uhlrig's Cave (a famous drinking hole) and eventually built their building at the corner of Beaumont and Morgan (now Delmar) in 1880-81 at the site of a Baptist church. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Philips Family Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:05 AM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old, Old, Brewery Histories . . . Good Folks - Loudwig/Louis Spoeri started a brewery in St Louis probably around the mid-1800's (don't know the date) and apparently his brother-in-law Tobias Spengler was a partner. The name of the brewery was Louis Spoeri & Company. Louis died in 1858 and ultimately Tobias took over. Tobias, with a son and son-in-law renamed the brewery Bremen Brewing Company A brief history of that company is available through Google. Does anyone know anything about the original Louis Spoeri & Company? I have seen Louis' probate file. Also, can anyone locate obits for Louis Spoeri and his wife Christine Spengler, and Tobias Spengler? If pictures exist I would like copies as well; I will pay for reproduction and mailing I am not having much luck but it appears that St. Louis has wonderful resources available. Any and all help appreciated. Thank you, Phil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Folks - Loudwig/Louis Spoeri started a brewery in St Louis probably around the mid-1800's (don't know the date) and apparently his brother-in-law Tobias Spengler was a partner. The name of the brewery was Louis Spoeri & Company. Louis died in 1858 and ultimately Tobias took over. Tobias, with a son and son-in-law renamed the brewery Bremen Brewing Company. A brief history of that company is available through Google. Does anyone know anything about the original Louis Spoeri & Company? I have seen Louis' probate file. Also, can anyone locate obits for Louis Spoeri and his wife Christine Spengler, and Tobias Spengler? If pictures exist I would like copies as well; I will pay for reproduction and mailing. I am not having much luck but it appears that St. Louis has wonderful resources available. Any and all help appreciated. Thank you, Phil

Thanks for your time Jim Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES O BRASHER Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 5:33 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Hi Gary: Couldn't find anything on Biloxi or Shofstall, book form or internet. If you find anything be sure to share, I'm curious.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Hi Jim The Regina's certainly weren't in LB Floyd's category although they did share the same hangout - the Traffic Way Parking Garage, known as the starting place from which the Union Station (in KCMO) massacre took place a few years later. I thought he was better known. His murder was reported on the front page of the KC Star (middle column) for two days. But alas, I can't claim the fame that you can! Would you look at one more thing in the Pendergast file (or simply forward the address). Is there anything in there about the Biloxi Liquor Raid in 1925. My Fred Shofstall was having railroad cars full of liquor shipped to KC and he covered them in oyster shells. Thanks for your time. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES O BRASHER Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:06 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Gary: While looking I soon when up against the wall, then decided to look for him with the Prendergast machine. After going near blind, I can definitely say without doubt; "Maybe he didn't hit the history books of Kansas City" He could have been from the South side, I am going to look some tomorrow. He wasn't mentioned in mid town at all, as far as I can tell, but Pretty Boy Floyd sure was during the Union Station Massacre.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com<mailto:stopan@msn.com>> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Thanks Jim I had assumed that he would have been from the south side. Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The memorial record book for my great-great grandmother's funeral (Feb.1924) lists a cycle club as having attended the viewing at the Witte Brothers Funeral Chapel of St. Louis, The name of the club appears to be Gaurnty, but the spelling could also be Gunrnty, Ganrnty or Guurnty. A Google search turned nothing up. Does anyone have any information regarding this club, or where I could find more information? Thanks, Cathy Champion

Hi Jim The Regina's certainly weren't in LB Floyd's category although they did share the same hangout - the Traffic Way Parking Garage, known as the starting place from which the Union Station (in KCMO) massacre took place a few years later. I thought he was better known. His murder was reported on the front page of the KC Star (middle column) for two days. But alas, I can't claim the fame that you can! Would you look at one more thing in the Pendergast file (or simply forward the address). Is there anything in there about the Biloxi Liquor Raid in 1925. My Fred Shofstall was having railroad cars full of liquor shipped to KC and he covered them in oyster shells. Thanks for your time. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES O BRASHER Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:06 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Gary: While looking I soon when up against the wall, then decided to look for him with the Prendergast machine. After going near blind, I can definitely say without doubt; "Maybe he didn't hit the history books of Kansas City" He could have been from the South side, I am going to look some tomorrow. He wasn't mentioned in mid town at all, as far as I can tell, but Pretty Boy Floyd sure was during the Union Station Massacre.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Thanks Jim I had assumed that he would have been from the south side. Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gary: Couldn't find anything on Biloxi or Shofstall, book form or internet. If you find anything be sure to share, I'm curious.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Hi Jim The Regina's certainly weren't in LB Floyd's category although they did share the same hangout - the Traffic Way Parking Garage, known as the starting place from which the Union Station (in KCMO) massacre took place a few years later. I thought he was better known. His murder was reported on the front page of the KC Star (middle column) for two days. But alas, I can't claim the fame that you can! Would you look at one more thing in the Pendergast file (or simply forward the address). Is there anything in there about the Biloxi Liquor Raid in 1925. My Fred Shofstall was having railroad cars full of liquor shipped to KC and he covered them in oyster shells. Thanks for your time. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES O BRASHER Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:06 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Gary: While looking I soon when up against the wall, then decided to look for him with the Prendergast machine. After going near blind, I can definitely say without doubt; "Maybe he didn't hit the history books of Kansas City" He could have been from the South side, I am going to look some tomorrow. He wasn't mentioned in mid town at all, as far as I can tell, but Pretty Boy Floyd sure was during the Union Station Massacre.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com<mailto:stopan@msn.com>> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Thanks Jim I had assumed that he would have been from the south side. Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jim Thanks for looking. Would you see if you have anything on a Henry R. Rothman, a frequent partner of Fred Shofstall (aka Shaw). He was evidently disposed of and his body left on a highway in Ray County. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES O BRASHER Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:06 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Gary: While looking I soon when up against the wall, then decided to look for him with the Prendergast machine. After going near blind, I can definitely say without doubt; "Maybe he didn't hit the history books of Kansas City" He could have been from the South side, I am going to look some tomorrow. He wasn't mentioned in mid town at all, as far as I can tell, but Pretty Boy Floyd sure was during the Union Station Massacre.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Thanks Jim I had assumed that he would have been from the south side. Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jim I had assumed that he would have been from the south side. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES O BRASHER Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:03 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Howdy Gary: Seems to me I ran across this incident in the distant past in connection with Tommy Hayes of Wellston who was connected to the Cuckoo gang. I'm just curious enough to look back to see if I can find that story.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon SReif, Jim, et. al Has anyone heard of John Regina or the Regina family from StL. In May, 1928, my g-uncle Fred Shofstall a.k.a. Freddy Shaw, a bootlegger, gambler, "slugger," and burglar of some note in KCMO was ambushed and murdered by a StL crew of three - one of which was Regina. Old Freddie was able to shoot John Regina before he bit the dust and Regina died after staggering down an alleyway. Gary Stoltman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kathy: You're right, that is a good site. Some of my info comes from there.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Greifzu<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Here is a link I ran across in 2003 that had information on the Green Ones, The Pillow Gang, Egan's Rats, Cuckoo's Gang, Gang War Rags, and more. I hadn't thought about it in years until now so I guess I need to read through it again to see what it said. http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/family_epics/louis/3.html?sect<http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/family_epics/louis/3.html?sect> Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Kathy: Just as an item of information, I would say that the Black hand group was then known as today's mafia. Al Capone imported a group of folks from Italy and they were named the Green ones, because they were greenhorns fresh off the boat from Sicily. It was their job to take over the rackets in southern Illinois, but did not have much luck because they forgot to ask the Irish who were firmly established in the area. Tis a very interesting story with much gore, murder, blood and heart ache for these innocents who had the very same thoughts of success. Needless to say, they were not at all welcomed to the neighborhood of St Louis and had to be escorted out of St Louis by the city's finest. Popular names connected to the Green Ones were Russo and Spicuzza.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Greifzu<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net>> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Yeah, the article is pretty interesting. It does say this: "St. Louis detectives in making their identification stated that the presumption was that Rocco had incurred the disfavor of an Italian group in his neighborhood, probably in matters concerned with bootlegging, and had been lured to the Illinois side on a purported tour of various roadhouses on the Pontoon road." Someone called the undertaker and said, "Rocco is dead in Mitchell, Ill.," was the message. "Get the body and give him a good send-off." There were three shootings prior to his... all Italian fella's. The last sentence of the one article says "The police also assert that of late a black-hand group has been active in its extortion practices against bootleggers and Rocco may have fallen victim to their animosity." I read someplace else about how they use to make the saloon guys give them part of their profits. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims505@msn.com>>> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and BiddleStreetSaloon Hi Kathy: You may want to remember that this area we are looking at, was the area that The Kerry Patch and little Italy were adjacent to each other. I'm sure it wasn't My McQuillens who got uncle Mariano, but it might have been Al Capone on one of his visits to St Louis during his attempt at taking over the area when he wouldn't even use his real name for fear of getting rubbed out by those Irish guys.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Greifzu<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net%3Cmailto:kgreifzu@charter.net>>> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootswebcom>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and BiddleStreetSaloon Wow, what a coincidence. My great uncle Mariano Rocca (Rocco) owned a saloon at 9th and Biddle in 1924. I have no idea what the name was nor do I have any information about it other than it was named in an article about his death when he was killed in a bootlegging incident in May of 1924. I have front page articles concerning his death from both the St. Louis Post Dispatch and the Globe Democrat. If anyone knows of this saloon, I would love to know more about it. Thanks, Kathy Greifzu kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net%3Cmailto:kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net%3Cmailto:kgreifzu@charter.net%3Cmailto:kgreifzu@charter.net%3Cmailto:kgreifzu@charter.net>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol.com>>>> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and Biddle StreetSaloon > There was a New York Hotel and Saloon at 9th and Biddle, in the 1870s. I > don't know if its what you're looking for. It was operated, for some > time, by > Matthais Bader, my ggrandfather. There was another, earlier, on what was > at > the time called main street, but I've not yet learned the name. > > Madelyn B > > ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of > St. Louis -Tracking addresses Date: 6/18/2007 3:16:03 P.M. Central > Daylight > Time From: _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:_jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:_jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:_jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:_jims505@msn.com>>>_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims505@msn.com>>>) To: > _dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:_dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:_dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:_dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:_dpn@mohistory.org>>>_ > (mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org>>>) , _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>>_ > (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootswebcom<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootswebcom>>>) Sent on: > Dennis: > > Would it be possible to find what the exact address of the High and > Biddle > Street Saloon might have been in 1920? I think in a more modern time > period it > may have been on the corner of 11th and Biddle, but I'm not sure.----Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

10-4 Gary.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Hi Jim Thanks for looking. Would you see if you have anything on a Henry R. Rothman, a frequent partner of Fred Shofstall (aka Shaw). He was evidently disposed of and his body left on a highway in Ray County. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: JAMES O BRASHER Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:06 PM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Gary: While looking I soon when up against the wall, then decided to look for him with the Prendergast machine. After going near blind, I can definitely say without doubt; "Maybe he didn't hit the history books of Kansas City" He could have been from the South side, I am going to look some tomorrow. He wasn't mentioned in mid town at all, as far as I can tell, but Pretty Boy Floyd sure was during the Union Station Massacre.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com<mailto:stopan@msn.com>> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Thanks Jim I had assumed that he would have been from the south side. Gary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a link I ran across in 2003 that had information on the Green Ones, The Pillow Gang, Egan's Rats, Cuckoo's Gang, Gang War Rags, and more. I hadn't thought about it in years until now so I guess I need to read through it again to see what it said. http://www.crimelibrary.com/gangsters_outlaws/family_epics/louis/3.html?sect Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Kathy: Just as an item of information, I would say that the Black hand group was then known as today's mafia. Al Capone imported a group of folks from Italy and they were named the Green ones, because they were greenhorns fresh off the boat from Sicily. It was their job to take over the rackets in southern Illinois, but did not have much luck because they forgot to ask the Irish who were firmly established in the area. Tis a very interesting story with much gore, murder, blood and heart ache for these innocents who had the very same thoughts of success. Needless to say, they were not at all welcomed to the neighborhood of St Louis and had to be escorted out of St Louis by the city's finest. Popular names connected to the Green Ones were Russo and Spicuzza.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Greifzu<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Yeah, the article is pretty interesting. It does say this: "St. Louis detectives in making their identification stated that the presumption was that Rocco had incurred the disfavor of an Italian group in his neighborhood, probably in matters concerned with bootlegging, and had been lured to the Illinois side on a purported tour of various roadhouses on the Pontoon road." Someone called the undertaker and said, "Rocco is dead in Mitchell, Ill.," was the message. "Get the body and give him a good send-off." There were three shootings prior to his... all Italian fella's. The last sentence of the one article says "The police also assert that of late a black-hand group has been active in its extortion practices against bootleggers and Rocco may have fallen victim to their animosity." I read someplace else about how they use to make the saloon guys give them part of their profits. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and BiddleStreetSaloon Hi Kathy: You may want to remember that this area we are looking at, was the area that The Kerry Patch and little Italy were adjacent to each other. I'm sure it wasn't My McQuillens who got uncle Mariano, but it might have been Al Capone on one of his visits to St Louis during his attempt at taking over the area when he wouldn't even use his real name for fear of getting rubbed out by those Irish guys.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathy Greifzu<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net>> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and BiddleStreetSaloon Wow, what a coincidence. My great uncle Mariano Rocca (Rocco) owned a saloon at 9th and Biddle in 1924. I have no idea what the name was nor do I have any information about it other than it was named in an article about his death when he was killed in a bootlegging incident in May of 1924. I have front page articles concerning his death from both the St. Louis Post Dispatch and the Globe Democrat. If anyone knows of this saloon, I would love to know more about it. Thanks, Kathy Greifzu kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net<mailto:kgreifzu@charter.net%3Cmailto:kgreifzu@charter.net>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol.com>>> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and Biddle StreetSaloon > There was a New York Hotel and Saloon at 9th and Biddle, in the 1870s. I > don't know if its what you're looking for. It was operated, for some > time, by > Matthais Bader, my ggrandfather. There was another, earlier, on what was > at > the time called main street, but I've not yet learned the name. > > Madelyn B > > ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of > St. Louis -Tracking addresses Date: 6/18/2007 3:16:03 P.M. Central > Daylight > Time From: _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:_jims505@msn.com>>_ (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims505@msn.com>>) To: > _dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:_dpn@mohistory.org>>_ > (mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org>>) , _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>_ > (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootswebcom>>) Sent on: > Dennis: > > Would it be possible to find what the exact address of the High and > Biddle > Street Saloon might have been in 1920? I think in a more modern time > period it > may have been on the corner of 11th and Biddle, but I'm not sure.----Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce, Hello. I don't know of a direct connection. I know there were Baders already in St. Louis when my Ggrandfather Matthais arrived in the US in 1854. However, that name has not come up with his direct kin - his sisters names [ the ones I know of ] were M. Crescentia, M. Agnes, Marianna, and Johanna. His Father was Johann Georg Baader, and his mother was Johanna Schmidt. There were several brothers, but there were also several of the children who died young in Germany. I don't know, for certain, if any other family members came to the US. I know at least one sister was married and remained in Germany. The fact that they ended up in St. Clair also suggests a connection very strongly to me. Matthais was very supportive of the Catholic church at Luebbering Missouri if that rings a bell. Could she be a sister who arrived earlier, or a cousin? I dont know.... yet. However, here is another little clue. The germans were big on repeating names. Johannes fathered Johann and Johann fathered Johanna. Matthias fathered Matthais junior... and he also fathered Henry Martin, who was father of Henry Martin Junior. With a Henrietta in the area, I'm suspecting a sister or cousin. However, I don't find anything on her on the web, so it may take some digging. My rough draft tree [with much to be filled in] is available to look at on rootsweb and Ancestry. Madelyn ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High and BiddleStreetSaloon Date: 6/21/2007 2:58:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time From: _jocurry4@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jocurry4@yahoo.com) To: _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com) Sent on: Our grandfather, James Curry, had a brother Hugh Curry, who married Henrietta Alreda Bader in about 1854 in St. Louis. They seem to have had some St. Clair connection as well. Any chance of a connection here? Joyce Curry --- JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com> wrote: > Madelyn: > > Keep looking and I'll bet you find something.----Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com> > To: > mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis > -High and BiddleStreetSaloon > > > Hi Jim. > > Sounds like it wasn't my ggfathers saloon- there > was one at 9th and Biddle, > and another previously at 719 S. Main Street, > which was nearby. I have a > street atlas of the city from around the 1880s on > CD, but it wouldn't cover > later periods. > > I'm not sure how many of the Baders in the > missouri area are related. I > think there may be more than I know, but I only > know the direct line. However, > the fact that Matthais settled in St. Louis and > there were already Baders living > there, makes me suspect he had kin there. There's > another group in > St.Genevieve, nearby. I've not located the > connections, partly because our family line > ends in Germany with the burning of church > records in 1791. To my > knowledge, I would not be related to the man who > ran the Art store, but then Matthais > had 9-11 children, and most lived to have > children. While the family moved to > St. Clair, it is possible that some made their > way back to the big city. > I'll post to the list if I find more connections. > > I'll pull out that atlas too, it's possible I can > track down that saloon. > > Madelyn > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis > -High and Biddle > StreetSaloon Date: 6/19/2007 3:43:11 P.M. Central > Daylight Time From: > _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com>_ > (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>) > To: > _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>_ > > > (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>) > Sent on: > > Hi Madelyn: > The Saloon I'm looking for Shows up in the 1920 > census as being owned by a > McQuillen relative who liked to shun the spotlight > of openness. It was > labeled, "The High and Biddle Street Saloon," by > the census taker. I am almost > certain it was on or near the corner of 11th and > Biddle. I have been told by > family members that its main products were, > prescription liquors and non > prescription pharmaceuticals. I can not prove > these assertions, but would be very > surprised if they were not true. Seems there was a > lot of that kind of thing > going on during that time period. > > By any chance are you related to the Bader > gentleman who owned "Bader Art > Supplies" back in the 1950s on Olive then moved > near 12th and Locust about > 1951? A very fine gentleman, whose first name > escapes me at the moment, who > employed knot headed boys attending high school > to deliver those same supplies to > offices in downtown St Louis.----Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com<mailto:SaeeIa@aol.com%3Cmailto:SaeeIa@aol .com>> > > To: > mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-s tlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis > -High and Biddle > StreetSaloon > > > There was a New York Hotel and Saloon at 9th and > Biddle, in the 1870s. I > don't know if its what you're looking for. It was > operated, for some time, > by > Matthais Bader, my ggrandfather. There was > another, earlier, on what was at > the time called main street, but I've not yet > learned the name. > > Madelyn B > > ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: > [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of > St. Louis -Tracking addresses Date: 6/18/2007 > 3:16:03 P.M. Central > Daylight > Time From: > _jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com<mailto:_jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:_jim s505@msn.com>>_ > > > (mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto :jims505@msn.com>>) > To: > > _dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:_dpn@mohistory.org%3Cmailt o:_dpn@mohistory.org>>_ > > > (mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org%3C mailto:dpn@mohistory.org>>) > , > > _mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:_m o-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:_mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>_ > > > (mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mai lto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootswebcom>>) > > Sent on: > Dennis: > > Would it be possible to find what the exact > address of the High and Biddle > Street Saloon might have been in 1920? I think > in a more modern time period > it > may have been on the corner of 11th and Biddle, > but I'm not sure.----Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dennis > Northcott<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohistory.org<mailto:dpn@mohisto ry.org%3Cmailto:dpn@mohistory.org>>> > > To: > > Joe@joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@ joelight.com<mailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@joelight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@jo elight.com%3Cmailto:Joe@joelight.com>>> > ; > > mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-s <mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3 Cmailto:mo-s> > > tlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:tlouis -metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>>> > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. > Louis -Tracking addresses > > > Dear Joe, > > We have a variety of resources here at the > Missouri Historical Society > Library and Research Center to help you research > the history of a > business and/or a particular piece of property in > St. Louis City and County. > > You can use reverse directories (i.e., city > directories, red books, blue > books, and red-blue books) to determine what > business or person occupied > a particular street address. In these reverse > directories you can look > up a street name alphabetically, and then look up > the street number. > > Recently we've indexed a variety of published > and manuscript sources > that can help you determine what business or > person occupied a > particular address. For example, we've indexed a > large collection of St. > Louis business letterheads (mostly dated > 1860s-1920s). Most of the > sources we've indexed thus far relate to St. > Louis City addresses, > rather than St. Louis County. > > We also have a collection of maps and atlases, > some of which provide the > name of the person or business who owned a > particular piece of land. > Whipple and Sanborn fire-insurance maps, dated > circa 1870s-1940s can be > helpful. > === message truncated === ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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Gary: While looking I soon when up against the wall, then decided to look for him with the Prendergast machine. After going near blind, I can definitely say without doubt; "Maybe he didn't hit the history books of Kansas City." He could have been from the South side, I am going to look some tomorrow. He wasn't mentioned in mid town at all, as far as I can tell, but Pretty Boy Floyd sure was during the Union Station Massacre.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] City of St. Louis -High andBiddleStreetSaloon Thanks Jim I had assumed that he would have been from the south side. Gary