In a message dated 8/22/2007 4:09:18 PM Central Daylight Time, bdoerr@msm.umr.edu writes: 1860 directory of St. Louis how often were the St. Louis Directories published? thanks bill hinkle in Oklahoma ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi Thanks for all the kind words, from coast to coast! I do not know when the data for the 1860 directory were gathered. I have been thinking about that factor and my guess is that Kennedy hired a fairly small team; if so, data collection was protracted. Further, no doubt, many of the thousands of boarders moved during the interval between data collection and publication. Pity the guys who had to hand-set the type for some 55 thousand entries. (And almost every abbreviation had its period at its end.) That alone means that considerable time passed between data collection and publication. But it took my spare time for the summer of 2000 to clean up the engraved title page. BTW, that page is the same one used for 1859; there is a determinative scratch.. There are some patterns. There are a fair number of cases in which an entry lacks a given name; these are almost all for boarders, and, no doubt, someone else reported to the canvasser., e.g., "Mr. Doe down the hall is a blacksmith." A good telegrapher was able to recognize the 'fist' of the one whose dots and dashes (or dits and dahs) he was receiving. However, despite a few noticeable characteristics, I have been unable so far to distinguish any individual canvasser. It might be different were I to have the data arranged by location. I did not digitize the first 15 or so pages (mostly ads) and may have missed the date of publication, but I am keeping a record of items to review against the microfiche, and will look. My great-grandfather is listed as Daorr. Again, I cannot say too much good about the microform scanner. It has obsoleted reader/printers, and I hope libraries see the benefit so that this fine device becomes available wherever microforms are kept. It meets my key specifications: no display on the peripheral and all controls are from the computer mouse and keyboard. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy, 1956 http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/missouri/ Editor, since 1992, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal http://www.mosga.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <lilirish@earthlink.net> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Thanks to Bob Doerr > To Bob Doerr: > > Wow, what a ton of work you have put into this project, Bob! Thanks so > much for making research of the 1860 directory of St. Louis possible for > folks who research St. Louis from afar. I have been helping a lady who > is researching her Irish family that moved to St. Louis from Ireland and > she is thrilled to see her family listed there. > > Bob, do you know the date that the information in the directory was > taken? Is there a date of publication on the directory? > > Thanks so much for all of the work you have done to transcribe the > directory and put it on line, Bob! > > 'Tis a genealogical treat! > > Diane Shaw > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/967 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 > 6:51 PM > >

Hi Thanks for all the kind words, from coast to coast! I do not know when the data for the 1860 directory were gathered. I have been thinking about that factor and my guess is that Kennedy hired a fairly small team; if so, data collection was protracted. Further, no doubt, many of the thousands of boarders moved during the interval between data collection and publication. Pity the guys who had to hand-set the type for some 55 thousand entries. (And almost every abbreviation had its period at its end.) That alone means that considerable time passed between data collection and publication. But it took my spare time for the summer of 2000 to clean up the engraved title page. BTW, that page is the same one used for 1859; there is a determinative scratch.. There are some patterns. There are a fair number of cases in which an entry lacks a given name; these are almost all for boarders, and, no doubt, someone else reported to the canvasser., e.g., "Mr. Doe down the hall is a blacksmith." A good telegrapher was able to recognize the 'fist' of the one whose dots and dashes (or dits and dahs) he was receiving. However, despite a few noticeable characteristics, I have been unable so far to distinguish any individual canvasser. It might be different were I to have the data arranged by location. I did not digitize the first 15 or so pages (mostly ads) and may have missed the date of publication, but I am keeping a record of items to review against the microfiche, and will look. My great-grandfather is listed as Daorr. Again, I cannot say too much good about the microform scanner. It has obsoleted reader/printers, and I hope libraries see the benefit so that this fine device becomes available wherever microforms are kept. It meets my key specifications: no display on the peripheral and all controls are from the computer mouse and keyboard. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy, 1956 http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/missouri/ Editor, since 1992, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal http://www.mosga.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <lilirish@earthlink.net> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Thanks to Bob Doerr > To Bob Doerr: > > Wow, what a ton of work you have put into this project, Bob! Thanks so > much for making research of the 1860 directory of St. Louis possible for > folks who research St. Louis from afar. I have been helping a lady who > is researching her Irish family that moved to St. Louis from Ireland and > she is thrilled to see her family listed there. > > Bob, do you know the date that the information in the directory was > taken? Is there a date of publication on the directory? > > Thanks so much for all of the work you have done to transcribe the > directory and put it on line, Bob! > > 'Tis a genealogical treat! > > Diane Shaw > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/967 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 > 6:51 PM > >

I'll second all of that. George Diane wrote: > To Bob Doerr: > > Wow, what a ton of work you have put into this project, Bob! Thanks so > much for making research of the 1860 directory of St. Louis possible for > folks who research St. Louis from afar. I have been helping a lady who > is researching her Irish family that moved to St. Louis from Ireland and > she is thrilled to see her family listed there. > > Bob, do you know the date that the information in the directory was > taken? Is there a date of publication on the directory? > > Thanks so much for all of the work you have done to transcribe the > directory and put it on line, Bob! > > 'Tis a genealogical treat! > > Diane Shaw >

To Bob Doerr: Wow, what a ton of work you have put into this project, Bob! Thanks so much for making research of the 1860 directory of St. Louis possible for folks who research St. Louis from afar. I have been helping a lady who is researching her Irish family that moved to St. Louis from Ireland and she is thrilled to see her family listed there. Bob, do you know the date that the information in the directory was taken? Is there a date of publication on the directory? Thanks so much for all of the work you have done to transcribe the directory and put it on line, Bob! 'Tis a genealogical treat! Diane Shaw

Today I added "R"; it was not quite ready yesterday and it will be long before I can do "S". That peripheral for digitizing from microforms is outstanding. I'm hoping for a portable version. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy, 1956 http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/missouri/ Editor, since 1992, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal http://www.mosga.org ----- Original Message ----- From: <enalibof@netscape.net> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis City Directory 1860 > Bob, what a delight. I was reading a microfilm of the 1929 St Louis > City Directory today and thinking how great it would be to have it at > home. Now, you have made it possible for me to track the Crinnions in > 1860. > Steve Morse would be happy to let you use his search engine. You can > contact him through his webpage (Morse One Step). > Ellen > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr@msm.umr.edu> > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com; Branch, Carolyn > <carolynpaulbranch@gmail.com> > Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 4:50 am > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis City Directory 1860 > > > > Hi > > I have up-loaded sections A thru Q of the St. Louis City Directory, > 1860, > and up-dated the 'home page' for the set. > > http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/1860CyDir/1860CD.htm > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy, > 1956 > http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/missouri/ > Editor, since 1992, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal > http://www.mosga.org > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/962 - Release Date: 8/20/2007 > 1:08 PM > >

Bob, what a delight. I was reading a microfilm of the 1929 St Louis City Directory today and thinking how great it would be to have it at home. Now, you have made it possible for me to track the Crinnions in 1860. Steve Morse would be happy to let you use his search engine. You can contact him through his webpage (Morse One Step). Ellen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Doerr <bdoerr@msm.umr.edu> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com; Branch, Carolyn <carolynpaulbranch@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 4:50 am Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis City Directory 1860 Hi I have up-loaded sections A thru Q of the St. Louis City Directory, 1860, and up-dated the 'home page' for the set. http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/1860CyDir/1860CD.htm Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy, 1956 http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/missouri/ Editor, since 1992, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal http://www.mosga.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

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Hi I have up-loaded sections A thru Q of the St. Louis City Directory, 1860, and up-dated the 'home page' for the set. http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/1860CyDir/1860CD.htm Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Sole surviving founding officer, Missouri Chapter, Nature Conservancy, 1956 http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/missouri/ Editor, since 1992, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal http://www.mosga.org

I have it now. Thanks everyone. Virginia -------------- Original message -------------- From: enalibof@netscape.net > webref@slpl.lib.mo.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vleighty@comcast.net > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 3:41 pm > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Post Dispatch Obits > > > >> ________________________________________________________________________ > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and > industry-leading spam and email virus protection. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks - that's just what I wanted. Virginia -------------- Original message -------------- From: enalibof@netscape.net > webref@slpl.lib.mo.us > > >>> > ------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________ >

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Hi Peggy May have been, "Let's Play Golf" at the corner of Wood and Manchester about a mile east of Lindbergh. It advertised itself as, "The World's Largest Outdoor Lighted Golf Course." It consisted of three courses - all of which were 18 holes. There were trees and some grass that made up the "fairways." Also many pinball machines and 'Mexican Curios" (junk) for sale. It closed in the early 60s. Was or is a Ford dealership now. As you can tell, I spent much of my misspent youth there. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Peggy Kruse Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:58 AM To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] miniature golf course? I've been trying to remember the name of a miniature golf course we went to several times when I was a kid.?? I think it was out Manchester -- or somewhere west.? We lived in north St. Louis and it seemed like a long way out there.? It was unique because it was built into a wooded area and was much more rustic than other miniature courses.?? It occurred to me someone on this list might know of it -- and whether it might still exist? Thanks, Peggy Kruse Florissant ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What I'm looking for is an address for the public library where I can order copies of obits from the Post Dispatch. Here's what I have which is apparently incorrect: www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm I also have HGO102@slpl.org Are these correct? Virginia

webref@slpl.lib.mo.us -----Original Message----- From: vleighty@comcast.net To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 3:41 pm Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Post Dispatch Obits What I'm looking for is an address for the public library where I can order copies of obits from the Post Dispatch. Here's what I have which is apparently incorrect: www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm I also have HGO102@slpl.org Are these correct? Virginia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

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Bill too is still around. He's just taking a breather and busy with other things right now, but alive and well. Bill Buchholz, come on down.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainy682@sbcglobal.net<mailto:Rainy682@sbcglobal.net> To: St Louis<mailto:StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> ; StLouisMetro<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:13 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Where are the old timers? Hi, Listers: I've been a member of this List for many years, and learned so many things from Bill Bucholz and Marty Walsh, as I'm sure many of you have, too. I know Marty has joined in and contributed his expert knowledge to the list more recently than Bill; but it has been awhile. SO I'm wondering about both of them. Does anyone know where they are? How they are doing? It seems a shame that people like them, who contributed so much to this list over the years have just dropped out of sight (?) TO MARTY and BILL: If you are "out there" please say "Hello!" And please accept a Thank You from (at least) one of your fans! Ranee in St Louis/Weldon Spring (formerly San Diego and Kirkwood--yes, I move around <grin>) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I seem to be having trouble with my web site for the public library. Can someone give me the correct url for requests of newspaper obits? Thanks, Virginia

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Hi, Listers: I've been a member of this List for many years, and learned so many things from Bill Bucholz and Marty Walsh, as I'm sure many of you have, too. I know Marty has joined in and contributed his expert knowledge to the list more recently than Bill; but it has been awhile. SO I'm wondering about both of them. Does anyone know where they are? How they are doing? It seems a shame that people like them, who contributed so much to this list over the years have just dropped out of sight (?) TO MARTY and BILL: If you are "out there" please say "Hello!" And please accept a Thank You from (at least) one of your fans! Ranee in St Louis/Weldon Spring (formerly San Diego and Kirkwood--yes, I move around <grin>)