Jim: As I remember, Reelfoot Lake in Tennessee came to be as a result of that earthquake. Obviously there would have been deep and wide sinkholes and chasms formed. Interesting. Where's our H2O expert? I think it's Larry? Sorry I lost the e-mail address when I upgraded. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jims505@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Earthquake of 1811 > December 16, 1811 there was a huge earthquake along the New Madrid fault in > southeast Missouri that caused the Mississippi River to reverse its course and > flow northward. > > Where would the water back up to? That much water had to be displaced to some > point. Does anyone know where that point was?----Jim > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm >

Jim and all, Here are some good earthquake links about the quake of 1811 one of the links has eye witness reports http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/USA/1811-1812.html http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/new_madrid/new_madrid.html http://hsv.com/genlintr/newmadrd/ (eye witness reports) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jims505@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Earthquake of 1811 > December 16, 1811 there was a huge earthquake along the New Madrid fault in > southeast Missouri that caused the Mississippi River to reverse its course and > flow northward. > > Where would the water back up to? That much water had to be displaced to some > point. Does anyone know where that point was?----Jim > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm >

December 16, 1811 there was a huge earthquake along the New Madrid fault in southeast Missouri that caused the Mississippi River to reverse its course and flow northward. Where would the water back up to? That much water had to be displaced to some point. Does anyone know where that point was?----Jim

Hi Richard: This should be posted every couple of weeks for out-of-towners: St. Louis City and County separated in 1876. The new county seat for the County became Clayton. All county records before 1876 would still be with the City though. If your Edward died after 1910, you'd find his death cert with the State Health Dept. in Jefferson City. If between 1876 & 1910, you should be able to find him at the Dept. of Community Health, 121 S. Meramac, Clayton, Mo. 63105. Try call 314-854-6720 or 6684 per my records. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <DMALATZKY1@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] County vs City > I am just back from St Louis and found out that what I thought was City was > actually County. > > I was looking for an Edward Harding in St Louis City Directories and he > peters out around 1894, but none of his family is in St Louis deaths (via > Ancestry Plus) > > Wen I looked for 2 Death Certificates at City Hall on another matter, they > were not there and I was told that I should contact the county. Harding was > living near where the Lambeth Airport is today, which is certainly way out of > the City Limits. i guess that little towns were not noted and that all locals > were lumped together in one CD. > > Is there an address that I can contact regarding County deaths that were not > in St Louis City? > > Richard Malatzky > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. >

I found a relative who lived at 3814 Prairie in 1920. I was wondering if anyone on the list knew which Catholic church was in that area that they might have attended. Thanks, Joan

I am just back from St Louis and found out that what I thought was City was actually County. I was looking for an Edward Harding in St Louis City Directories and he peters out around 1894, but none of his family is in St Louis deaths (via Ancestry Plus) Wen I looked for 2 Death Certificates at City Hall on another matter, they were not there and I was told that I should contact the county. Harding was living near where the Lambeth Airport is today, which is certainly way out of the City Limits. i guess that little towns were not noted and that all locals were lumped together in one CD. Is there an address that I can contact regarding County deaths that were not in St Louis City? Richard Malatzky

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RGB --------------532EFA0F167B3944146A3C58 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <owner-iltrails@rootsquest.com> Received: from seeker.rootsquest.com (majordomo@seeker.rootsquest.com [65.165.29.28]) by ns.ezl.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h747dV1h010768 for <rb2@ezl.com>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 02:39:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from owner-iltrails@rootsquest.com) Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by seeker.rootsquest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA30616 for iltrails-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:38:25 -0600 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by seeker.rootsquest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA30613 for <ILTrails@usroots.com>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:38:23 -0600 Received: (qmail 12087 invoked by uid 65534); 4 Aug 2003 07:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO 217.151.212.5) (217.151.212.5) by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 04 Aug 2003 09:36:19 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:22:05 +0200 From: "the dietz.tz.tz! genealogical project" <dietz.tz.tz@gmx.net> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q/Post6/newhtml) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <482741454.20030804082205@gmx.net> To: ILTrails@usroots.com Subject: ILTrails: Theodor Dietz and relatives, Alton, Madison IL 1880/1882 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-iltrails@usroots.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ILTrails@usroots.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hello ILTrails, please excuse, that I start with some listings - I am looking for the Dietz from Essentho, who probably lived in Alton, because they partly travelled together with the Gottlob-Family from Essentho - that family was found in Alton... The 1882 Alton Patron List shows DIETZ, J. Theodore Prop'r of lime kilns on Second St., b. Minden, Ger. came to Mad. Co. 1854. This fits together with the 1880 census, which shows: Theodore DIETZ Self single age 46 born Prussia Living next door on the same page 89B was the brother of Theodore: William DIETZ age 37 born Prussia Caroline DIETZ wife age 32 born Prussia Caroline DIETZ daughter age 9 born ILLINOIS William DIETZ son age 7 born ILL Edward Dietz son age 4 born ILL Charles DIETZ son age 2 born ILL Not to far from this on page 90C was: Bernard Gottlob self age 43 Prussia Mary Gottlob wife age 27 Prussia Louisa Gottlob dau age 8 born ILLinois Bernard Gottlob son age 4 born ILL Mary Gottlob dau age 3 born ILL Joseph Gottlob son age 11months born IL The emigrants from Essentho were: 1) Dietz, Heinrich (*about 1793 ?) emigrates from Essentho, (Marsberg) Westphalia, Prussia to the US approx 1851, together with his Children: 2) Dietz, Theodor *16.03.1837 3) Dietz, Karoline *15.06.1839 4) Dietz, Wilhelm *11.02.1844 5) Dietz, Maria * 25.06.1847 perhaps following 6) Dietz, Franz Joseph *07.07.1828 Essentho, Father: Heinrich Dietz (nee "Neuen Schulten"), Mother: Wilken, Louise, emigrated approx 1846/47. travelled together with Joseph Gottlob *12.01.1829 Essentho. 7) Dietz, Friedrich Wilhelm *26.02.1831 Essentho, Father: Heinrich Dietz (nee "Neuen Schulten"), Mother: Wilken, Louise, emigrated approx 1848. 8) Philipp Dietz emigrates in 1851 with wife and child from Essentho I would think, that Theodor Dietz (at 2), born 16.03.1837 could be the Theodore Dietz in the 1882 Alton Patrons list, but this list names Minden, Prussia as his town of origin and there is a difference between his years of births (Census - Theodor: 1834 / Essentho - Theodor: 1837) and year of emigration (Alton-patron-list: 1854 / Essentho-Theodor: 1851), So it might not be "my" Theodore from Essentho, but: There is hardly any chance to find the westphalian (Essentho) Dietz between all the others (mainly from Hessen, Bavaria, Vogtland etc). I did not find any of them on ship-lists, only on the emigration-records for the bishopric of Paderborn. I thought it might be a good idea to look for the people, they travelled with. In the case of Franz Joseph Dietz (see above No. 6) this is Joseph Gottlob. Both were born in Essentho. And the Gottlob-Family settled in Alton, Illinois. The other Dietz followed Franz Joseph Dietz - so I thought, they could have settled in Alton as well. Two given names of the the other (Census) Alton Dietzes fit together with the given names of the Essentho-Dietz, e.g. William and Caroline. Unfortunately they seem to be one generation apart from each other. May I ask, if somebody is familiar with the Dietz / and / or / Gottlob-Families. Maybe some Alton-records show Essentho as place of origin for some Alton-Dietz? Any help is much appreciated. Thank you very much for your attention and have freundliche Grüße aus Berlin! gregor winkelhahn -- best regards! schöne grüße! dietz.tz.tz! the dietz.tz.tz! genealogical project dietz in, from and to westphalia in Etteln, Atteln, Essentho... mailto:dietz.tz.tz@gmx.net Montag, 4. August 2003 --------------532EFA0F167B3944146A3C58--

Dear Nannette, Do you have a copy with the actual headings of the marriage register? If not, try the St. Louis Public Library. They should be able to tell you what the headings are and that might tell you what the codes are. Since the bride is a minor, maybe the number 3 refers to that? Do you think that what you are calling a minus sign, might be just a dash drawn to indicate that there is no information required? Maybe the number after the name is the ward #? Regarding the policeman, could Col. stand for Colorado? Georgia Nannette wrote: > I have two documents, one is for St.Louis Policemen in 1921-22 on probationary or enlisted, and on 4-5 has :place of birth U.S. ...Col... ?????? > The other on a alpha page sent along with my Grt.Grandparents marriage registry (1875) after each couple's names there is a number in parenthesis then a minus sign,and I see 2 that also have (cold.)after the man's name for 1880, one with (col.) for 1867. > Can anyone help by way of explanation what these would mean?? > I'm wondering if the (col.) & (cold.) are for race codes, but I'm at a loss to what the number is on this marriage listing! > Sample: > Warfield James (col.) & M.E. Robinson (3) - Nov.1867 > age 24 & wife 17,both single, loc.of marriage,loc of birth, loc.of res. both parents names and (parents consent.) Husband's occupation: laborer. > Warner,Amanda and G.B.Nunburger (3) - Aug.1,1882 > Warick,Thompson (cold.) Sabina Carey (3) - Sept.20,1880 > Thanks, > Nannette > > Nannette > > Reasearching Surnames: WARFIELD Mitchell McConnell HEUGELE Rowbotham STIENECKE Summerman VanGels Berger COLLINS DUNNAVANT PARRISH . States: Md,Mo.,WV.,Wi. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. --

I went to Westport High School in Kansas City in the early 50's. There was a small car we called the trolley that had been horse drawn and then converted to electricity, It ran along 39th street from State Line to Westport and when I had the fare, took it to school. We joyed in pulling off the contact which made the driver take his rheostat handle so we would not hide that and go back & put it back on and hopefully proceed. He was lucky to only have one such stop during a run. We also enjoyed putting pennies under the wheels and proudly showed the flattened coin off and did take some grief it was illegal and the Secret Service might get us into trouble. The braver ones put a 22 bullet under the wheels to get a bang out of the bang. Lots of other cars had electric motors as well. On the way to school at the crest of a hill, would put some lard on the tracks and the car would get stuck. That was about as much mischief as we got into in those days. Our true heroes were the folks at MIT who welded the wheels to the tracks!! Bill Houdek bhoudek@swbell.net

Art, I wonder if maybe you might have traveled in one of the Troop Sleepers that were turned out during WW2. I don't know if they were all metal construction or if there weren't any number made of wood due to the need for steel to be used in making tanks and ships, etc. They were very boxcar-like in appearance and I believe had the kind of windows you described. There were probably any number of them still running in 1949-50. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rideout Family" <wa6ipd@nctimes.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Coal stoves > I joined the Air Force in 1949 and we went from St Louis to San Antonio TX > and the cars had coal stoves. The cars were all wood and you could open the > windows both top and bottom. They looked like they might have been built > early in the 1900s. But two years later I traveled to San Francisco from St > Louis by train headed for Korea and those trains were heated by steam. In > Japan we took an old WW II Japanese troop train which was all wood with coal > stoves to southern Japan where we flew into Kimpo AFB Korea just in time for > a North Korean air raid. > > Art > Fallbrook, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Ude" <geoude@charter.net> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Coal stoves > > > > Hey Bob, > > > > In 1945 not all railroad cars were heated by coal stoves. Nor in 1944. > > Probably those cars you mentioned were in the Dakotas...maybe Great > > Northern, Northern Pacific, the CB&Q, etc., or branch lines. Down south > > where I traveled from Arizona to St Louis in 1944 and then across country > > from Ft. McArthur, Calif. via troop trains in 1945 the cars were heated > from > > steam, etc. Remember, trains then were pulled by steam engines so they > had > > plenty of that. Incidentally the MoPac from Kansas City to St. Louis in > > June 1944 was a rolling cooker. The war kept them from repair broken air > > conditioners. Well -- so much for the "good" old days. > > > > George > > in South Central Tennessee > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y". > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm > >

In the dialogue about street cars, I remember that the entire back of the seats moved from front to back when the street car went in the other direction so that you were facing in the direction traveled. I believe the motorman moved them while walking down the aisle before going back to the other end of the line. Mary Erwin

col. Color; colored Col. Colonel; Colorado COL Agricultural colony Dictionary abbreviations. Gina -----Original Message----- From: Your Name [mailto:georgia@corpsie.com] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 6:51 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Need HELP!! with abbreviations on documents Dear Nannette, Do you have a copy with the actual headings of the marriage register? If not, try the St. Louis Public Library. They should be able to tell you what the headings are and that might tell you what the codes are. Since the bride is a minor, maybe the number 3 refers to that? Do you think that what you are calling a minus sign, might be just a dash drawn to indicate that there is no information required? Maybe the number after the name is the ward #? Regarding the policeman, could Col. stand for Colorado? Georgia Nannette wrote: > I have two documents, one is for St.Louis Policemen in 1921-22 on > probationary or enlisted, and on 4-5 has :place of birth U.S. ...Col... ?????? > The other on a alpha page sent along with my Grt.Grandparents marriage > registry (1875) after each couple's names there is a number in parenthesis then a minus sign,and I see 2 that also have (cold.)after the man's name for 1880, one with (col.) for 1867. > Can anyone help by way of explanation what these would mean?? I'm > wondering if the (col.) & (cold.) are for race codes, but I'm at a > loss to what the number is on this marriage listing! > Sample: > Warfield James (col.) & M.E. Robinson (3) - Nov.1867 > age 24 & wife 17,both single, loc.of marriage,loc of birth, loc.of res. both parents names and (parents consent.) Husband's occupation: laborer. > Warner,Amanda and G.B.Nunburger (3) - Aug.1,1882 > Warick,Thompson (cold.) Sabina Carey (3) - Sept.20,1880 > Thanks, > Nannette > > Nannette > > Reasearching Surnames: WARFIELD Mitchell McConnell HEUGELE Rowbotham > STIENECKE Summerman VanGels Berger COLLINS DUNNAVANT PARRISH . States: Md,Mo.,WV.,Wi. > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! News - Today's headlines > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, > visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. -- ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm

-- For those of you who have Heritage Quest access through your library, try this search: Click on "Browse Publications" Then enter St. Louis in the search window. You will get: St. Louis and the Union Electric Company Publisher: Newcomen Society of England, American Branch > <http://www.heritagequestonline.com/prod/genealogy/browsepublications?titleID=Genealogy-glh35551096> St. Louis in früheren Jahren : ein Gedenkbuch für das Deutschthum Publisher: Druck der A. Wiebusch & Sohn Print. Co. > <http://www.heritagequestonline.com/prod/genealogy/browsepublications?titleID=Genealogy-glh37358140> St. Louis reference record : a newspaper man's motion-picture of the city when we got our first bridge, and of many later happenings of local note : a book for libraries, public and private, and for every St. Louis home without a library. Publisher: Von Hoffmann Press > <http://www.heritagequestonline.com/prod/genealogy/browsepublications?titleID=Genealogy-glh28365502> St. Louis, one hundred years in a week : celebration of the centennial of incorporation, October third to ninth, nineteen hundred and nine Publisher: The St. Louis Centennial Association Then click on St. Louis reference record and go to the index page. There are lots of surnames listed there. Also try Directories in the search engine and try "tombstones" . If you are researching outside of St. Louis, enter the name of the state you are researching. Also try the city. If you are looking for church records, enter the name of the church. I found lists from cemeteries in New York by entering the word "cemetery". This site is great for "fishing expeditions". I know that not everyone has access to Heritage Quest through their library. All I can say is call your library and ask if they plan to subscribe to Heritage Quest on line. Diane Shaw Antonia, MO

The comment about no turnaround at the end of the street car line was correct, however there was a bit more for the motorman to do than simply walking back to the other end. He had to first go to pull the hand crank, unstow and connect the upper contact (believe it was similar to a pulley wheel). Walk to the other end, pull and stow the upper contact, insert the hand crank and take off in the opposite direction. These were direct current systems, very efficient system, with a wiper that made contact on the tracks, I believe this was the brake. Kids thought it was great fun to pull the upper contact, it stopped the car. The hand crank was the rheostat that increased the electricity to the motor, thus the operators were called motorman. They also had a conductor at the opposite end of the car to collect money and hand out transfers as well, these conductors were eliminated when the new slick versions went into operation. I believe they used this system on the West Florissant line which if memory serves me correctly ran from Riverview to the Water Tower on Grand Ave. where there was a turnaround at the Water Tower. There were two sets of parallel tracks running along Calvary Cemetery and eventually down the center of West Florissant. I am sure there were other runs that were similar in operation. The one on Broadway ran from about River de Pares (sp) in South St. Louis north to the turnaround through Baden to the Turnaround at Bellefontaine Cemetery. This one on Broadway was one of those slip and slide things for automobiles, you slipped on the tracks and then hit the cobble stones which darn near ruined the springs and shock absorbers along with the tires on automobiles. If you could sort of follow the streetcar tracks it was a bit smoother, you sure didn't speed. We here in St. Louis are so proud of these cobble stone streets that we call it nostalgia in Lacledes Landing, you drive about 5 mph or less in this area. Broadway was a bit smoother, but not much. Several of the streetcar lines were shut down prior to WW II and the rails were paved over. But during the war they were dug up to reclaim the steel for the war effort. I believe I also read an article that they also dug up some of the 1904 Worlds Fair Ferris Wheel to reclaim the steel at the same time. A large amount of streetcar tracks are still in service and are now utilized by Metro Link. Another side note. My uncle graduated from CBC in 1942, the entire student body marched in the VP Parade at night and all the VP floats traveled along a streetcar route since they used the same method of running the floats as the streetcars. The one parade I watched was down Grand Ave. in front of all the Movie Theatres I believe the Wooden Street cars were still running in the very early 50's I have a photo of my great grandfather and his streetcar that he apparently drove from Belleville to St. Louis. I don't know if the is correct, it may have stopped in East St. Louis. This was way before my time. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hey Bob, In 1945 not all railroad cars were heated by coal stoves. Nor in 1944. Probably those cars you mentioned were in the Dakotas...maybe Great Northern, Northern Pacific, the CB&Q, etc., or branch lines. Down south where I traveled from Arizona to St Louis in 1944 and then across country from Ft. McArthur, Calif. via troop trains in 1945 the cars were heated from steam, etc. Remember, trains then were pulled by steam engines so they had plenty of that. Incidentally the MoPac from Kansas City to St. Louis in June 1944 was a rolling cooker. The war kept them from repair broken air conditioners. Well -- so much for the "good" old days. George in South Central Tennessee

I joined the Air Force in 1949 and we went from St Louis to San Antonio TX and the cars had coal stoves. The cars were all wood and you could open the windows both top and bottom. They looked like they might have been built early in the 1900s. But two years later I traveled to San Francisco from St Louis by train headed for Korea and those trains were heated by steam. In Japan we took an old WW II Japanese troop train which was all wood with coal stoves to southern Japan where we flew into Kimpo AFB Korea just in time for a North Korean air raid. Art Fallbrook, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ude" <geoude@charter.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Coal stoves > Hey Bob, > > In 1945 not all railroad cars were heated by coal stoves. Nor in 1944. > Probably those cars you mentioned were in the Dakotas...maybe Great > Northern, Northern Pacific, the CB&Q, etc., or branch lines. Down south > where I traveled from Arizona to St Louis in 1944 and then across country > from Ft. McArthur, Calif. via troop trains in 1945 the cars were heated from > steam, etc. Remember, trains then were pulled by steam engines so they had > plenty of that. Incidentally the MoPac from Kansas City to St. Louis in > June 1944 was a rolling cooker. The war kept them from repair broken air > conditioners. Well -- so much for the "good" old days. > > George > in South Central Tennessee > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y". > >

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Hi Lew mentioned the coal stoves on the old street cars. Fires resulted in wrecks; hot coals were dashed about the cars. In 1945, on the railroad, passenger cars were heated by coal stoves. I recall one ride in South Dakota when the only passenger car (heated by coal stove) was at the end of a long train of sheep. Also, I recall in the late 1940s, when coal dealers hawked their ware, selling coal by the bushel. The price per ton was HIGH, but the upstairs consumer had delivery to the stove. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htm

I have two documents, one is for St.Louis Policemen in 1921-22 on probationary or enlisted, and on 4-5 has :place of birth U.S. ...Col... ?????? The other on a alpha page sent along with my Grt.Grandparents marriage registry (1875) after each couple's names there is a number in parenthesis then a minus sign,and I see 2 that also have (cold.)after the man's name for 1880, one with (col.) for 1867. Can anyone help by way of explanation what these would mean?? I'm wondering if the (col.) & (cold.) are for race codes, but I'm at a loss to what the number is on this marriage listing! Sample: Warfield James (col.) & M.E. Robinson (3) - Nov.1867 age 24 & wife 17,both single, loc.of marriage,loc of birth, loc.of res. both parents names and (parents consent.) Husband's occupation: laborer. Warner,Amanda and G.B.Nunburger (3) - Aug.1,1882 Warick,Thompson (cold.) Sabina Carey (3) - Sept.20,1880 Thanks, Nannette Nannette Reasearching Surnames: WARFIELD Mitchell McConnell HEUGELE Rowbotham STIENECKE Summerman VanGels Berger COLLINS DUNNAVANT PARRISH . States: Md,Mo.,WV.,Wi. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines

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