Passing along a great site for searching obits <A HREF="http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/Homepage?p_action=doc&p_theme=current&p_nbid=E55I55QMMTA2MDM5MDUxMy4yNDUyNDQ6MTo1Omd1ZXN0">NewsBank InfoWeb</A> It was new to me and most helpful. http://infoweb.newsbank.com/iw-search/we/Homepage?p_action=doc& p_theme=current&p_nbid=E55I55QMMTA2MDM5MDUxMy4yNDUyNDQ6MTo1Omd1ZXN0 If you ever need to log in, use "guest" as name and password. You choose the papers you wish to include in your search. The Chicago Tribune has archived obits from 1860-1984 in their HA(Historic Archives) collection. Not all of their years are indexed yet, but they are continually adding more. Most of the other papers listed are more current, as is the case of the St. Louis Post Dispatch. St. Louis, KC and Columbia have papers listed for MO. When searching in the Chicago area, you might start with a surname search in obits and death notices. if you don't find it there, do a general search in the HA area. That too will pull up the older obits. You can find out if that year is indexed yet by doing a search with a year or a date. Check it out. Especially if you have any lines in the Chicago area. Karen

Is there now or was there ever a rail yard located North of Market, dating all the way back to Moses?----Jim

I'm getting some great railroad stories. Mary just told a great one. Does anyone know the address where I can get info on an employee working in the 1880s and 1890s?----Jim

Hello, Terminal Railroad Association of St. Louis was a railroad operating in the local area. I think they did work for other railroads. My dad and my uncle worked there. My dad was a machinist; my uncle was a boilermaker. My dad retired from TRRA around 1980; my uncle retired around 1965. TRRA owned the Eads Bridge for many years as I can remember my dad having a pass so we didn't have to pay when we crossed it. Their insignia was a big yellow "flower" (circle with petals surrounding it) with TRRA in the center. I remember when the railroad had a contest among their employees to come up with an insignia. A man my dad worked with won -- but I can't remember his name. TRRA had the tracks below the arch. I remember my dad telling me the story of an engine breaking down and he was called to fix it. The railroad yard was in north St. Louis and dad went down near the arch, got the engine started, then for a while drove ahead of it on the tracks (in his little VW bug) to make sure it would keep running. People would go by honking and motioning to him that there was a train behind him. He got a big laugh out of that. TRRA also had offices in Union Station. Mary Erwin

Is anyone else on this list having problems sending mail to those who have AOL as their mailing address? Georgia

Dear Jim, Don't know if this can help or not. I got information on a female relative who was a member of the NARBW (National Association of Railway Business Women) from Jay Nelsen. Maybe Jay can give you a source for groups for male railway workers. email address is JLNELSEN@up.com Email address is from November 2002 Georgia Jims505@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone tell me anything about the "Terminal Railroad Association" after > it was founded in 1889? > I assume it was organized for trainmen working for the St Louis rail > employees, from conductors to engineers. I am searching for their archives.----Jim > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y".

Can anyone tell me anything about the "Terminal Railroad Association" after it was founded in 1889? I assume it was organized for trainmen working for the St Louis rail employees, from conductors to engineers. I am searching for their archives.----Jim

That Kathy is just an old sweetheart, sure wish she knew where George W. McQuillen was buried.----Jim --------------------------------------------------------------------- Congratulations, Kathy! Well deserved!!! You help our list a huge amount and we appreciate you being on it and doing all the things you do to help us with finding our roots! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Kathleen" <HG0102@SLPL.LIB.MO.US> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [StL-Metro] 1921 obits > Hi, Georgia and everyone. > > Kathy Smith from St. Louis Public Library. Georgia, you are such a great > ambassador for St. Louis Public Library! I did want to let everyone know > that 1921 St. Louis Argus obituaries are also available on our website. > > Also, I received a Certificate of Appreciation from the Missouri State > Genealogical Association at their conference over the weekend, and I wanted > to say thank you to everyone for the nomination! I will try to keep up the > hard work. > > Have a great day, everybody! > > Kathy Smith > St. Louis Public Library

Congratulations, Kathy! Well deserved!!! You help our list a huge amount and we appreciate you being on it and doing all the things you do to help us with finding our roots! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Kathleen" <HG0102@SLPL.LIB.MO.US> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:04 PM Subject: RE: [StL-Metro] 1921 obits > Hi, Georgia and everyone. > > Kathy Smith from St. Louis Public Library. Georgia, you are such a great > ambassador for St. Louis Public Library! I did want to let everyone know > that 1921 St. Louis Argus obituaries are also available on our website. > > Also, I received a Certificate of Appreciation from the Missouri State > Genealogical Association at their conference over the weekend, and I wanted > to say thank you to everyone for the nomination! I will try to keep up the > hard work. > > Have a great day, everybody! > > Kathy Smith > St. Louis Public Library > > -----Original Message----- > From: Georgia Clark [mailto:georgia@corpsie.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:42 PM > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [StL-Metro] 1921 obits > > > The St. Louis Public Library has added 1921 to their online index of > death notices/burial permits. > > Georgia > > ______________________________ > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > >

Hi, Georgia and everyone. Kathy Smith from St. Louis Public Library. Georgia, you are such a great ambassador for St. Louis Public Library! I did want to let everyone know that 1921 St. Louis Argus obituaries are also available on our website. Also, I received a Certificate of Appreciation from the Missouri State Genealogical Association at their conference over the weekend, and I wanted to say thank you to everyone for the nomination! I will try to keep up the hard work. Have a great day, everybody! Kathy Smith St. Louis Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Georgia Clark [mailto:georgia@corpsie.com] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:42 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] 1921 obits The St. Louis Public Library has added 1921 to their online index of death notices/burial permits. Georgia ______________________________

a huge thank you to BILL and LAURA for the help they provided on my quest for finding BOXDORFER burial site. This is such a great list. Rita Broeker

Any organization incorporated in listed by the Secretary of State of Mo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Store Owners List > Dear Kathleen > > You might want to try the Recorder of Deeds office if there is any likelihood that the business was incorporated. > > http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/recorder.htm > > Dare I ask why "pigbellie"? > > Georgia > > Stan/Kat wrote: > > > Would anyone happen to know where I could find a list of store owners? > > I have been told that my greatgrandfather and greatgrandmother, Thomas and Margaret Murphy owned a store in St. Louis the exact year is unsure but it have to have been from 1900-1920. > > Any help on this would be appreciated. > > Thank you in advance. > > Kathleen > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > > >

http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/kansas_city/workshops.html The closest NARA (National Archive) regional facility to St. Louis is in Kansas City. Here is a link with genealogy related classes they offer. The cost listed is either free or $5 depending upon the course. The link above is for classes taking place in October. Thought some on the list might find this of interest. Laura

Rita, St. Mary's Cemetery HAS NOT been relocated. That being said I would contact Calvary Cemetery and ask them who is the keeper of the records. The keeper of the records that I met with a few years ago died a year ago, I spoke with his widow today. The lady who now has the records is leaving for Chicago, her mother passed away yesterday. When she gets back she said she would give me a call. In the mean time she has given me the name of the person who works with her on maintaining the records. I will contact him tomorrow. It was rumored at one time that the cemetery might be moved, but it falls outside the area of buy out. It is still a beautifully kept cemetery. There are BOXDORFER(s) in my wife's family but they are buried in Resurrection. I will contact you in a private mailing with a Boxdorfer contact who may know the individuals you are seeking. They too have relatives buried in St. Mary's but their surnames are WILLEN and MUENKS. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Laura Thnx for sharing these neat sites and all the other ones in the past. They're always interesting. This thank you goes for others, like Scott Williams, who always thinks of sharing sites and info with us. Karen Aquadro -----Original Message----- From: rbozzay [mailto:rbozzay@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:52 AM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] URLs about lots of interesting St. Louis History and Sources http://stlcin.missouri.org/history/readings.cfm http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:XEm9bch8iW0J:www.umsl.edu/~virtualstl/p hase2/BuildBlockGuide.doc+1860+Census+Wards+St.+Louis+Missouri&hl=en&ie=UTF- 8 http://stlouis.missouri.org/heritage/History69/#boom http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/29000.html Laura ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 08/04/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 08/04/2003

Wow! What a response. I got lots of mail on this one! I have to run out for a while but will send something out later that kind of puts all the notes I got from folks together into some kind of format. I believe this has hit a nerve with some. Thanks to all who responded! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: MMolner106@aol.com To: rbozzay@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Census questions about townships and where these places are Hi Laura - a number of us surely have xeroxed copies of the 1860 census for our families. We could transcribe the names and page numbers and relate where they lived - some of us even have addresses - and that should help you. This is a great thing you are doing because I have noticed there was an enumerator who actually asked towns and he wote them down - did for my ancestor - I think it was ward 2 - anyway if you like I will be glad to do this - many hands make light work. If you take the 1878 atlas that gives landowner names in the county and that could be a help also. We are all busy but I think we could all squeeze in an hour or so to do this. Mary Ann in Kansas

I need to find the cemetery where GENEVIEVE (JENNIE) BOXDORFER nee HAYDEN is buried. I was told it was ST> Mary's in Bridgeton, Mo. I think the time frame would be 1941- 49. Her husband Gottlieb (Clem) BOXDORFER died in Perryville, MO. 13 september 1941. She died after that time. Thank you. Rita Broeker

I can't answer all of your questions but I have a map of the city of St Louis in 1867. The city limits are a block west of Grand on Spring. The wards on this map only extend out that far. There are 12 wards. There are some roads beyond the city limits but few and they are only named. I don't know if this will help. Joan

I have a CD that is titled 1860 MO census. It is not indexed. So I created my own sort of index. Shows the CD page (not necessarily the same as the census page # ...sometimes it is and sometimes it does not seem to be) The township and the Post Office from the header of the pages. The following is what I saw: TOWNSHIP POST OFFICE Bonhomme Township Fenton Town of Carondelet Carondolet Central Township Rock Hill The town of Kowell?? St. Louis Township Carondolet The Inn of Lourle?? St. Louis Township Carondolet The Inn of Lourle?? St. Louis Township Carondolet Saint Ann of St. of Louis township?? Carondolet The Town of Lowell St. Louis Township Carondolet clearly written St. Louis Township Carondolet St. Louis Township Missouri Merimec Township Fenton Meramec Township Fenton St. Ferdinand Township St. Ferdinand - Florrissant PO St. Ferdinand Township Florissant St. Ferdinand Township Bridgeton My questions: 1. Any idea how these corresponded to wards? 2. Any idea what these areas correspond to today on a map of St. Louis? a. Is it safe to assume Fenton is where Fenton is now and Rock Hill, Florissant, and Bridgeton too??? b. Anyone know if there is some kind of old postal office zone map available? 3. Any idea how the census was done and how the pages were numbered? The numbering seems odd, with page numbers "renumbered" 4. As the handwriting is not always legible and there does not seem to be an index for the names on this CD that tell you where they are located (major bummer) it is hard to use this without some kind of framework. 5. Is it probable that the place listed as St. Louis Township with the Carondelet Post Office is the City as we know it? Any help is appreciated. I would like to be able to use this to do look ups but for the life of me, I can't figure it out and I have the thing!! I eventually will try to transcribe what I think the surnames are by page but there are 688 page images on the CD so this is not going to be fast or easy. Laura

Dear Kathleen You might want to try the Recorder of Deeds office if there is any likelihood that the business was incorporated. http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/recorder.htm Dare I ask why "pigbellie"? Georgia Stan/Kat wrote: > Would anyone happen to know where I could find a list of store owners? > I have been told that my greatgrandfather and greatgrandmother, Thomas and Margaret Murphy owned a store in St. Louis the exact year is unsure but it have to have been from 1900-1920. > Any help on this would be appreciated. > Thank you in advance. > Kathleen > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.