My dad was very fond of Ruggeri's. It was not far from his home. He could get a good steak there, and those with him who liked Italian could get about the best. The Wurlitzer was special. In 1975 we went to Favazza's. He ordered a steak, found it inedible. In an Italian place other than Ruggeri's (and no doubt Tony's!) don't order steak. There at Favazza's I had something Italian, but it was not great. A few days ago, my daughter from Cedar Rapids ate at Favazza's and was disappointed. My choice now is Lou Boccardo's, but Tony Gitto's on the Hill is quite good. The red sauce at the fine place (name escapes me) on Watson near Chippewa is too sweet for my taste. Cunetto's is usually too crowded. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <kimbuc4@juno.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:13 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #309 > Jim, > > The name of the Chili Parlor is I believe, Hodges. They still have at > least two stores, one in Union Station, the other on North Broadway, near > Malenkrodt. > > Before I got married, and lived at home and after my dad closed the > tavern on Saturday evenings we would go downtown for a late snack or > early breakfast. Sometimes it was Hodges Chili Parlor. The original place > I believe had black and white tile on the walls and floor. And about all > the local bums who had picked up some donations during the day. Hodges, > like White Castle had and still has a unique flavor. Where Steak and > Shake has "Chile 3 Ways" Hodges has Chili a bazilion ways. > > At one time they even sold the local super markets, haven't looked for it > in a long time. > > Always an experience, don't know how I ever got to sleep after one of > these sojourns. > > Then there was the Lebanese after hours restaurant behind City Hospital, > where you could get a great steak and breath garlic for a week > afterwards, all washed down with ice tea. Dracula would never have gotten > near any of the customers. > > Who could forget the Sunday Dinners at Rugeries (SP), where mom and dad > had a couple of classes of water in Heavy Red Water Glasses, this was the > only place I ever saw dad drink water, this water could never have been > used to put out a fire, it would have exploded. (Sunday Blue Laws). > > There was also a BBQ place in Afton, Stumble Inn, now I believe it is > Phil's. But it is not the Stumble Inn BBQ. > > No wonder my dad weighed in at 375 and was 6'3". And, he only understood > two words from my brother and I "Yes Sir". > > Bill > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm > > >

Jim, The name of the Chili Parlor is I believe, Hodges. They still have at least two stores, one in Union Station, the other on North Broadway, near Malenkrodt. Before I got married, and lived at home and after my dad closed the tavern on Saturday evenings we would go downtown for a late snack or early breakfast. Sometimes it was Hodges Chili Parlor. The original place I believe had black and white tile on the walls and floor. And about all the local bums who had picked up some donations during the day. Hodges, like White Castle had and still has a unique flavor. Where Steak and Shake has "Chile 3 Ways" Hodges has Chili a bazilion ways. At one time they even sold the local super markets, haven't looked for it in a long time. Always an experience, don't know how I ever got to sleep after one of these sojourns. Then there was the Lebanese after hours restaurant behind City Hospital, where you could get a great steak and breath garlic for a week afterwards, all washed down with ice tea. Dracula would never have gotten near any of the customers. Who could forget the Sunday Dinners at Rugeries (SP), where mom and dad had a couple of classes of water in Heavy Red Water Glasses, this was the only place I ever saw dad drink water, this water could never have been used to put out a fire, it would have exploded. (Sunday Blue Laws). There was also a BBQ place in Afton, Stumble Inn, now I believe it is Phil's. But it is not the Stumble Inn BBQ. No wonder my dad weighed in at 375 and was 6'3". And, he only understood two words from my brother and I "Yes Sir". Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Stop it, Jim! You're making me hungry. I cant eat chili any more since I developed an allergy to tomatoes. Didn't OT Hodges move into the Mall at Union Station. I remember a few years ago my foster brother getting some. There is one listed in the phone book at 5 & Pine

Yeah I remember the Hot Tamale Man and the guy that sold Gilda fish (golden colored smoked herring??) . My folks use to get them at my grandma house around Gravois & Russell. After the end of the push cart era, they get them from Edmonds Chile Co. Which is still in business at 3236 Oregon, St. Louis MO 63118 314-772-1499. Now who can provide me a source for Gilda fish. Denise

In my vast and interesting travels, I have discovered that this word can be spelled two ways: Chile and Chili. I think it depends from which side of the border you prefer. Still no one has named that little Chili Parlor on Pine but someone came close with a Parlor at 814 Pine, but named it an O.T. Hodges Parlor. Here is another fact that goes with the Chili: Prohibition ended, Dec 5, 1932 and to commemorate its demise, Anhueser Busch placed its first Clydesdale horses on the street April 7, 1933. This single act of kindness rid St Louis of a huge amount of heartburn.----Jim

The O.T. Hodge Chile parlors seems to have received the largest number of votes as the best Chile of the century. Does no one remember that little parlor on Pine on the corner of 10th, 11th or maybe 9th street? I can't be sure that wasn't a Hodge store. I remember people crowded the counter.----Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I found this item of info on the net. Otis T. Hodge developed the recipe which bears his name and began selling chile at the St. Louis Worlds Fair in 1904. Success in this endeavor brought demand for a retail presence in St. Louis, which commenced upon closing of the Fair.

What a coincidence that O.T. Hodges would get mentioned on the list. I was just in St.Louis 2 weeks ago and along with the all the important research destinations, I planned to visit the very O.T. Hodges location that Jim mentioned. My mom told me that my grandpa would eat there every day before he went to work for Railway Express (in the 50's and 60's). I was so disappointed to discover that the last O.T. Hodges has changed their name to "Chili-Mac" and that it wasn't the same location my grandpa went to...(although it is at Pine and 6th streets). To add to my disappointment, they were closing right as I arrived (around 2:30pm). The waitress cleaning up was kind enough to give me a bowl of chili to-go...but I certainly wouldn't rate it as one of the best I ever ate. For me, White Castles and Steak 'n Shake are much more impressive culinary institutions. I was so excited to find shiny new Steak 'n Shake in Dallas! Now if they would just get a little farther south to Austi! n! Erin Deitrick Austin, TX Researching: Bassman, Britton, Connell, Hand, Halloran, Holloran, Moriarty, Murphy, O'Connell, Potterfield, Tracey and Herrnleben --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Do you remember the 30s and 40s sitting outside and hearing in the distance: "Tamaleeees, getcha Red Hot Tamaleeees." Then sitting there waiting not so patiently for the guy to show up on your street pushing his cart with the burner lit underneath. The question is, Where were they made? Were they imported from Mexico, or if not, where was the factory? North, South, West or East St Louis? Another question: Where was the most famous Chile Parlor located in 1950s St Louis? I have a theory but not everyone agrees with me. Josehpine asks: "What do you know about Chile. I have to feed you Gringo Chile or you won't eat." (She is very cruel where it concerns my stomache. besides, I'm getting very old and she says cranky.)----Jim

Great site. You do great work! Thanks for sharing. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <lilirish@gtw.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 5:27 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] how to search St. Louis Catholic Church records > You can get information about how to search Roman Catholic Church > records in St. Louis as well as a list of all of the churches and their > dates of existence here: > > http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.html > > Diane Shaw > Antonia, MO > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > >

You can get information about how to search Roman Catholic Church records in St. Louis as well as a list of all of the churches and their dates of existence here: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.html Diane Shaw Antonia, MO

Thank you so much for listing this!!! My friend Ted's grandfather died in 1914, and his church was listed as St. Charles Borromeo, but the only one I could find was in Alton, Illinois - close to St. Louis, yes, but usually people attend church in their own neighborhoods. The St. Charles Borromeo listed here was around the corner from the family business, which makes a whole lot more sense. Thanks again, Cori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane T" <mzplum_2000@yahoo.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Closed Catholic Parish Listing > > Dear Listers, > > This may have been posted in the past, but on the off-chance it hadn't.... thought it might be useful to someone. > > Diane Tilley.......researching > KLIPSCH, HEINZ, LAMB, LANEMANN, HUNT, BEYERSTEDT > > > CLOSED CATHOLIC PARISH LISTING > (from the St. Louis Archdiocesan Archives) > www.archstl.org/archives/sacramental/closed.html > > PARISH (Origin) ADDRESS Date > > Annunciation 6th & LaSalle 1861-1951 > > Assumption 917 Sidney St. 1861-1965 > > Holy Angels/Our Lady of the Angels-Kinloch > 8122 Scott Street 1931-2002 > > Holy Cross 8115 Church Road 1863-1993 > > Holy Ghost (German) N. Market & Taylor 1879-1961 > > Holy Ghost-Berkeley see St. Bartholomew > 6314 Garfield Avenue 1923-1999 > > Holy Guardian Angels 1000 So. 14th Street 1866-1991 > > Most Blessed Sacrament 5017 Northland Avenue 1908-2001 > > Most Holy Name of Jesus (Irish) > 2047 E. Grand 1865-1992 > > Most Holy Rosary (Irish) Margaretta & Newstead 1891-1994 > > Most Holy Trinity (Slovak) see St. John Nepomuk > 1808 S. 9th St. 1898-1892 > > Nativity Blessed Virgin Mary see Our Lady of Victory-SerenoBelgique/Perryville 1884-1992 > > Nativity of Our Lord Oriole & Harney 1904-1982 > > Notre Dame de Lourdes 1701 Kienlen/Wellston 1902-1992 > > Our Lady Help of Christians (Italian) > 1010 Cole Street 1900-1975 > > Our Lady of Covandago (Sp./Mexican) see St. Boniface > Virginia and Blow Ave. 1915-1932 > > Our Lady of Czestochowa (Polish) see St. Stanislaus > 4th and Victor St. 1906-1957 > > Our Lady of Good Counsel 1114 Destrehan 1894-1950 > > Our Lady of Mount Carmel 8747 Annetta 1871-1993 > > Our Lady of Perpetual Help (German) > 2011 Linton 1874-1992 > > Our Lady of the Rosary-Claryville see Our Lady of Victory-Sereno > Rt. 3, Perryville 1874-1963 > > Sacred Heart of Jesus (Irish) > 23rd & University 1871-1978 > > St. Adalbert 5720 Woodland 1912-1993 > > St. Agnes Sidney & Salena 1891-1993 > > St. Ann Page & Whittier 1897-1992 > > St. Augustine (German) 3114 Lismore 1874-1982 > > St. Barbara (German) Hamilton & Minerva 1893-1992 > > St. Bernard (German) see St. Cronan > 4109 Gratiot 1874-1973 > > St. Bonaventure 6th & Spruce 1871-1883 > > St. Casimir (Polish) 8th & Mullanphy 1889-1956 > > St. Casimir 10745 Vorhoff Drive 1956-1992 > > St. Catherine of Siena 6815 Page Avenue 1910-2001 > > St. Charles Borromeo (Italian) > 29th & Locust 1903-1982 > > St. Columbkille (Irish) see St. Boniface > 8200 Michigan 1872-1952 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO >

Diane posted the list on the Irish in St Louis webpage that includes the custodian of the records and the FHL numbers, in addition to others goodies. Ellen Diane T <mzplum_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Dear Listers, > >This may have been posted in the past, but on the off-chance it hadn't.... thought it might be useful to someone. > >Diane Tilley.......researching >KLIPSCH, HEINZ, LAMB, LANEMANN, HUNT, BEYERSTEDT > > >CLOSED CATHOLIC PARISH LISTING >(from the St. Louis Archdiocesan Archives) >www.archstl.org/archives/sacramental/closed.html > >PARISH (Origin) ADDRESS Date > >Annunciation 6th & LaSalle 1861-1951 > >Assumption 917 Sidney St. 1861-1965 > >Holy Angels/Our Lady of the Angels-Kinloch > 8122 Scott Street 1931-2002 > >Holy Cross 8115 Church Road 1863-1993 > >Holy Ghost (German) N. Market & Taylor 1879-1961 > >Holy Ghost-Berkeley see St. Bartholomew > 6314 Garfield Avenue 1923-1999 > >Holy Guardian Angels 1000 So. 14th Street 1866-1991 > >Most Blessed Sacrament 5017 Northland Avenue 1908-2001 > >Most Holy Name of Jesus (Irish) > 2047 E. Grand 1865-1992 > >Most Holy Rosary (Irish) Margaretta & Newstead 1891-1994 > >Most Holy Trinity (Slovak) see St. John Nepomuk > 1808 S. 9th St. 1898-1892 > >Nativity Blessed Virgin Mary see Our Lady of Victory-SerenoBelgique/Perryville 1884-1992 > >Nativity of Our Lord Oriole & Harney 1904-1982 > >Notre Dame de Lourdes 1701 Kienlen/Wellston 1902-1992 > >Our Lady Help of Christians (Italian) > 1010 Cole Street 1900-1975 > >Our Lady of Covandago (Sp./Mexican) see St. Boniface > Virginia and Blow Ave. 1915-1932 > >Our Lady of Czestochowa (Polish) see St. Stanislaus > 4th and Victor St. 1906-1957 > >Our Lady of Good Counsel 1114 Destrehan 1894-1950 > >Our Lady of Mount Carmel 8747 Annetta 1871-1993 > >Our Lady of Perpetual Help (German) > 2011 Linton 1874-1992 > >Our Lady of the Rosary-Claryville see Our Lady of Victory-Sereno > Rt. 3, Perryville 1874-1963 > >Sacred Heart of Jesus (Irish) > 23rd & University 1871-1978 > >St. Adalbert 5720 Woodland 1912-1993 > >St. Agnes Sidney & Salena 1891-1993 > >St. Ann Page & Whittier 1897-1992 > >St. Augustine (German) 3114 Lismore 1874-1982 > >St. Barbara (German) Hamilton & Minerva 1893-1992 > >St. Bernard (German) see St. Cronan > 4109 Gratiot 1874-1973 > >St. Bonaventure 6th & Spruce 1871-1883 > >St. Casimir (Polish) 8th & Mullanphy 1889-1956 > >St. Casimir 10745 Vorhoff Drive 1956-1992 > >St. Catherine of Siena 6815 Page Avenue 1910-2001 > >St. Charles Borromeo (Italian) > 29th & Locust 1903-1982 > >St. Columbkille (Irish) see St. Boniface > 8200 Michigan 1872-1952 > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO > > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

Dear Listers, This may have been posted in the past, but on the off-chance it hadn't.... thought it might be useful to someone. Diane Tilley.......researching KLIPSCH, HEINZ, LAMB, LANEMANN, HUNT, BEYERSTEDT CLOSED CATHOLIC PARISH LISTING (from the St. Louis Archdiocesan Archives) www.archstl.org/archives/sacramental/closed.html PARISH (Origin) ADDRESS Date Annunciation 6th & LaSalle 1861-1951 Assumption 917 Sidney St. 1861-1965 Holy Angels/Our Lady of the Angels-Kinloch 8122 Scott Street 1931-2002 Holy Cross 8115 Church Road 1863-1993 Holy Ghost (German) N. Market & Taylor 1879-1961 Holy Ghost-Berkeley see St. Bartholomew 6314 Garfield Avenue 1923-1999 Holy Guardian Angels 1000 So. 14th Street 1866-1991 Most Blessed Sacrament 5017 Northland Avenue 1908-2001 Most Holy Name of Jesus (Irish) 2047 E. Grand 1865-1992 Most Holy Rosary (Irish) Margaretta & Newstead 1891-1994 Most Holy Trinity (Slovak) see St. John Nepomuk 1808 S. 9th St. 1898-1892 Nativity Blessed Virgin Mary see Our Lady of Victory-SerenoBelgique/Perryville 1884-1992 Nativity of Our Lord Oriole & Harney 1904-1982 Notre Dame de Lourdes 1701 Kienlen/Wellston 1902-1992 Our Lady Help of Christians (Italian) 1010 Cole Street 1900-1975 Our Lady of Covandago (Sp./Mexican) see St. Boniface Virginia and Blow Ave. 1915-1932 Our Lady of Czestochowa (Polish) see St. Stanislaus 4th and Victor St. 1906-1957 Our Lady of Good Counsel 1114 Destrehan 1894-1950 Our Lady of Mount Carmel 8747 Annetta 1871-1993 Our Lady of Perpetual Help (German) 2011 Linton 1874-1992 Our Lady of the Rosary-Claryville see Our Lady of Victory-Sereno Rt. 3, Perryville 1874-1963 Sacred Heart of Jesus (Irish) 23rd & University 1871-1978 St. Adalbert 5720 Woodland 1912-1993 St. Agnes Sidney & Salena 1891-1993 St. Ann Page & Whittier 1897-1992 St. Augustine (German) 3114 Lismore 1874-1982 St. Barbara (German) Hamilton & Minerva 1893-1992 St. Bernard (German) see St. Cronan 4109 Gratiot 1874-1973 St. Bonaventure 6th & Spruce 1871-1883 St. Casimir (Polish) 8th & Mullanphy 1889-1956 St. Casimir 10745 Vorhoff Drive 1956-1992 St. Catherine of Siena 6815 Page Avenue 1910-2001 St. Charles Borromeo (Italian) 29th & Locust 1903-1982 St. Columbkille (Irish) see St. Boniface 8200 Michigan 1872-1952 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Dear Lea, I just figured they all went on vacation including Jim of the notorious McQuillen family. I don't think I have gotten anything from the Irish in St. Louis Mail list either. Georgia from the Great Lakes State of Michigan where we had to boil water for four days and where is an outhouse when you really need one? On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:38:20 EDT MomRip@aol.com writes: > I have received no mail from St. Louis Metro today, so I am testing. > My > Hesse List mail came through. > > Lea in KCMO > Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: > http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I have received no mail from St. Louis Metro today, so I am testing. My Hesse List mail came through. Lea in KCMO Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder

At nine o'clock tonight PBS is broadcasting a wonderful program about James Eads. The website is really interesting too. I think this program will be repeating off and on for a while. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/eads/index.html Diane Shaw Antonia, MO

Hi, Georgia, You are correct that in German the term Evangelische is the overall term used for churches that are not Catholic. However, even in Germany many Protestant churches have the words Ev.-Luth. on their letterheads. There are many historical reasons for this. But basically in the US the Evangelical churches followed the Reformed catechism and the Lutheran churches followed the Dr. Martin Luther's catechism and the Augsburg Confessions. You can learn some of the history by putting "Old Lutherans" into your browser. Remember that in Europe the churches were connected to the state. If your Prince died and the new one professed a faith that was different from yours, you either changed, or worshipped secretly, or moved. In the US the churches that called themselves Evangelical eventually united with the Reformed congregations. Yes, there were congregations that used the word Reformed as part of their name. Then the Ev. and the Reformed, and others, became the United Church of Christ. Evangelical as a word can have various meanings even in the US. I am no Latin scholar but I believe that the root of the word has to do with "Good News". I am familiar with St Mark's on Clayton Road and it has always been a Lutheran congregation, even before it moved there in the 1920s. I believe it was once on or near Kingshighway. Hope this helps. LaVerne

Dear Joan, Since I was getting confused about the term Evangelical, I contacted the Concordia Historical Institute and received the following reply: Evangelical is often a rather ambiguous term. What it means can depend on the area you're looking in, time period, and so on. While the term evangelical was often used by Lutheran churches, this was not exclusively so. Many Lutheran churches in Germany would have just used the term evangelical in the 1700s-1800s; some might have used the term Lutheran. There were also reformed and other bodies which used the term Evangelical (Evangelish). When these immigrants came to the U.S. they brought their terminology along with them. Many German Lutherans simply called their churches evangelical, but most seemed to tack on Lutheran or call their churches Lutheran (without the use of Evangelical). Those members of reformed churches who came often simply called their churches Evangelical. Of course, with the unionistic movements within the states of Germany that happened from the early 1800s on, the lines became further blurred. Churches in Germany and the United States were often called Evangelical Lutheran to signify the union of the two church bodies. Thus even with the inclusion of the word Lutheran in titles, one cannot be certain that the church was actually Lutheran. It might be a product of immigrants who were part of a united church in Germany. As to St. Mark's Evangelical in St. Louis c. 1892. I did not see a St. Mark's in my listing of LCMS parishes in St. Louis from this period. It could have been a parish that is now part of the ELCA, but you would have to contact them for that information. I will say that it seems that most Lutheran churches in the U.S. used the term Lutheran or Lutherische to mark their congregation as Lutheran and not a union church. You also had a question in your email regarding why the geneology mailing you received would say Evangelical churches are part of the UCC. The UCC is the conjoining of a number of different smaller reformed, Evangelical, united church bodies in the U.S. While this body itself is a more recent creation, the bodies that make up the UCC have much deeper historical roots. Thus churches from the 1800s may indeed now be part of the United Church of Christ. If you have a question about a church that is called Evangelical that we have no information about, you may wish to contact the UCC archives at http://www.ucc.org/aboutus/archives/ I hope this information helps as you work on your family history. Peace, Daniel Borkenhagen Reference and Research Assistant Concordia Historical Institute Website for Concordia: http://chi.lcms.org/ Joan T Kaemmer wrote: > I recently found a relative who married at St Mark's Evangelical church > in 1892. According to the license the church was located at 309 Soulard. > L G Nolan was the pastor. > > Does anyone know if this is the same as the St Mark's Evangelical > Lutheran church located on Clayton Road today? I would like to see if I > can find baptismal records. > > Thanks, Joan > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.

Dear LaVerne, If one looks for church records in "Germany" at familysearch.org, one finds either Evangelisch or Katholisch. Possibly the term Evangelical acquired a new meaning in the 20th century in America? My husband's Germans were Evangelical and mine were Catholic. Georgia LTBoehmke@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/17/03 11:03:00 AM Central Daylight Time, > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > jkaemmer@juno.com> > > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Evangelical and Evangelical Lutheran are not the same. Most Evangelical > churches are now called United Church of Christ > > The St. L phone book has a St. Mark UCC at 1861 Missouri State Road, > 636-677-5602 > there is also a St. Marcus UCC at 2102 Russell Blvd. 314-771-0738 > > The archives for the Evangelical Church are at Eden Seminary in Webster > Groves, MO <A HREF="http://www.eden.edu/Archives/edenarch.html">Eden Archives</A> www.eden.edu/Achives/edenarch/html > > Hope you find them. LaVerne > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y".

******************************************************************** I think the church you are talking about was orignally the South German Evangelical Church at Jackson (Fourth) and Soulard (Lafayette). It became St. Marcus (St. Mark's) Church in 1856. In 1915 that church moved to Russell Blvd. and McNair Ave. in the Tower Grove Park area. Try calling (314) 773-5242 - this is now the St. Marcus United Church and may not be the one you are looking for. I would also try St. Mark's Evangelical out on Clayton Road (314) 721-6914. In lieu of that Dave Lossos St. Louis Genealogy site has a great rundown on St. Louis churches. One further source would be LINEAGES.COM website and look for their St. Louis German Churches marriage site. It really is a small world, afterall. I had a bunch of ancesters married in that old chuch down on Soulard Street beginning back in 1857 and in to the 1880's. George Kahle bapaghk@aol.com **********************************************************************