I noticed that Diane said she paid 50 dollars for a library card. Are the St. Louis libraries not supported by tax dollars, if so, why the outlandish charge. I have a library card at my local library and it cost nothing and I have it for life. I am not critizing St. Louis in any way but I have found in doing my research that everybody there is charging an awful lot of money for a service that I thought was supported by your taxes. Maybe where I live we are being overtaxed. jackie

I believe that Diane said that she paid $50.00 for the Heritage Quest access and not for the library card. She lives out of the St. Louis County area thus the $50.00 charge. Mary

One dollar fifty cents is too much to pay for a library card. I live out of state but the fact can never be changed that I participated in every money raising paper, tin can and string drive the City ever had when I was a kid in St Louis in the 1940s. Like the Army, I was told I would never have to pay for anything at the library for the rest of my life. (Except over due books.) I NOW CLAIM THAT PRIVELEDGE.----Jim PS The army reneged but there must be some mistake about the library.

St. Louis library is supported largely by city taxes. St. Louis County Library is supported largely by county taxes. So, considering what one gets, a $50 library fee does not seem exorbitant for non-tax-payers of those jurisdictions. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <jackie500_1@netzero.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Library cards > > I noticed that Diane said she paid 50 dollars for a library card. Are > the St. Louis libraries not supported by tax dollars, if so, why > the outlandish charge. I have a library card at my local library and it > cost nothing and I have it for life. > > I am not critizing St. Louis in any way but I have found in doing my > research that everybody there is charging an awful lot of money for a > service that I thought was supported by your taxes. Maybe where I > live we are being overtaxed. > > jackie > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > >

The nice Tech support worker at the St. Louis County library got me back on HeritageQuest. My Netscape preferences needed some "adjusting". Karen

Library cards are free to residents of the city. Barbara jackie500_1@netzero.net wrote: I noticed that Diane said she paid 50 dollars for a library card. Are the St. Louis libraries not supported by tax dollars, if so, why the outlandish charge. I have a library card at my local library and it cost nothing and I have it for life. I am not critizing St. Louis in any way but I have found in doing my research that everybody there is charging an awful lot of money for a service that I thought was supported by your taxes. Maybe where I live we are being overtaxed. jackie ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org.

I am getting some e-mail asking about the advanced viewer in MS Internet Explorer. I made a web page that illustrates the difference between using the advanced viewer in MS Internet Explorer and not using it. As far as I know, nobody who uses Netscape will even know that the advanced viewer is available. There is no link to the advanced viewer to users of Netscape. It is only available when you use MS Internet Explorer. Here is the URL for the page I made that shows the difference: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/advancedviewer.html Diane

Heritage Quest is an on-line library service that offers access to newspapers, books, census info etc. Libraries make the choice about whether they want to pay for a subscription to the service so that they can offer the service to their patrons. Heritage Quest is already available to St. Louis County patrons and I already have access to it. I can access it through the St. Louis County Library. I work in the city of St. Louis and pay city earnings tax. That entitles me to be a St. Louis Public library patron, so I have access to both the County and the City libraries. It is my understanding that Heritage Quest limits access to its site to only the patrons of subscribing libraries. Most libraries have geographical limitations and they will not sell access to Heritage Quest for the price of a card. In other words, you have to live within the boundaries of the library to get a card and you have to have a card to gain access. I asked if the County would sell a card to someone who lived outside the boundaries. I was asked for the zip code of the person who wanted access and I gave a Texas zip code. She told me that membership in the County library is limited to St. Louis and surrounding counties. I live in Jefferson County and paid $50.00 for my card. It is my understanding that the price for out of county residents has gone up again. There are two types of Heritage Quest subscriptions: You can buy a subscription to Heritage Quest on line, or you can use your library's membership to access the library subscription. I have never used anything but the library subscription, so I don't know if the two sites are the same. Do a search on Heritage Quest and/Pro Quest and you will find the on line subscription form of it. Since the St. Louis Public Library has just bought a subscription for its members, I am excited about that because it will help people on both the St. Louis Metro List as well as the list I co- ad min: The Irish in St. Louis list. My interest in getting the Public Library access straightened out is to use my own experience as a website manager to help them troubleshoot the site so that qualified folks on both lists will be able to get in. I know of several folks who live in the city and work in the city and can not afford County library membership and are looking forward to this access. The public library's decision to make this available offers a service to the people who are most likely not going to be able to afford the expensive Ancestry and Genealogy on line subscriptions. For many, this will be their only access to on line census info. So it is a really neat service! I want it to work so everyone can get access. That's why I am posting to the list as I try to help get the bugs out of the system. I don't want anyone to give up trying because the access is not working right. At this point, we know that many qualified folks can't get in because of a problem with the form on the web page and or the browser they are using. When I hear that this has been fixed, I will again try to get access and when I know it works, I will write instructions so that folks on both lists will be able to access the site and get beyond the bugs. So, thanks to all who are trying to help me get in! I love the folks on both lists because if you say you need help, they jump right in and help. I am actually not having a problem getting access to Heritage Quest through the County library. I might add that when you view Ancestry, if you do not use Microsoft Explorer as your browser, you are not getting the advantage of their "advanced viewer" that allows you to use a magnifying glass to read across the lines of a census page and other browser features that you don't see in Netscape. If you have the choice, I recommend using MS Explorer and choosing the "advanced viewer" feature. Thanks to all who have written to me trying to help me get in to Heritage Quest! Both of these lists are really fantastic. To Jim: Did you know that most web sites like Ancestry and Genealogy put "cookies" on your computer so that when you visit and make searches, etc. they are recorded? In some cases, when you use someone else's access number, it puts THEIR subscription cookie on your computer and the real subscription owner might not be able to get in! It has been known to happen. Diane Shaw Antonia, MO

Used it yesterday a good part of the afternoon. Not opened it up yet today. Bill Houdek ----- Original Message ----- From: <Karjac@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] HeritageQuest not in service? > For the past two days I get nothing but a message that says the St. Louis > County Library's HeritageQuest link is temporarily unavailable due to "regular > maintenance". . . .and "try later". ??? Is anyone else getting this message? I > am using my library card name and number as before, but suddenly it isn't > working. > Thanks. Karen > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. >

For the past two days I get nothing but a message that says the St. Louis County Library's HeritageQuest link is temporarily unavailable due to "regular maintenance". . . .and "try later". ??? Is anyone else getting this message? I am using my library card name and number as before, but suddenly it isn't working. Thanks. Karen

If you publish your Pin Number, that will save the rest of us a lot of trouble.----Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- I have been talking to personnel at the St. Louis Public Library about getting a pin number and getting into the site. Their customer service phone number was busy yesterday each time I called. Today, I spoke to some really nice folks who are going to follow up on the problems. The problem I encountered was this: - I wanted a pin number. The plan for the pin number was that the user enters ANY 4 digit number the first time he/she enters the site and continues to use that number afterward. - I tried that and after clicking on the log in button, the site responded by clearing both my card number and the pin from the web form. It did not allow me into Heritage Quest. I called the library again and had them try my number and they confirmed that the library card was active and that the site should have accepted the information I put in the form. They said they would return my call when they know what is wrong. I will pursue this problem until I get a solution, so hang on folks! When I have the answer, I will post it. This happened to me in both MS Explorer 5 and in Netscape 7. Diane Shaw Antonia, MO

Diane, I just loged on St.Louis County Library into Special Collections and from there Heritage Quest and put in my library card number and right in I went with no problem. Maybe you need a card at the County Library in stead of the one downtown. I use enternet exployer and I am running Windows 98 2nd edition. Hope this helps you out somewhat Jan -------Original Message------- From: Diane Date: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:39:55 AM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] Problems with Heritage Quest at SLPL I have been talking to personnel at the St. Louis Public Library about getting a pin number and getting into the site. Their customer service phone number was busy yesterday each time I called. Today, I spoke to some really nice folks who are going to follow up on the problems. The problem I encountered was this: - I wanted a pin number. The plan for the pin number was that the user enters ANY 4 digit number the first time he/she enters the site and continues to use that number afterward. - I tried that and after clicking on the log in button, the site responded by clearing both my card number and the pin from the web form. It did not allow me into Heritage Quest. I called the library again and had them try my number and they confirmed that the library card was active and that the site should have accepted the information I put in the form. They said they would return my call when they know what is wrong. I will pursue this problem until I get a solution, so hang on folks! When I have the answer, I will post it. This happened to me in both MS Explorer 5 and in Netscape 7. Diane Shaw Antonia, MO ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm .

I have been talking to personnel at the St. Louis Public Library about getting a pin number and getting into the site. Their customer service phone number was busy yesterday each time I called. Today, I spoke to some really nice folks who are going to follow up on the problems. The problem I encountered was this: - I wanted a pin number. The plan for the pin number was that the user enters ANY 4 digit number the first time he/she enters the site and continues to use that number afterward. - I tried that and after clicking on the log in button, the site responded by clearing both my card number and the pin from the web form. It did not allow me into Heritage Quest. I called the library again and had them try my number and they confirmed that the library card was active and that the site should have accepted the information I put in the form. They said they would return my call when they know what is wrong. I will pursue this problem until I get a solution, so hang on folks! When I have the answer, I will post it. This happened to me in both MS Explorer 5 and in Netscape 7. Diane Shaw Antonia, MO

Dear Lynne, The St Louis Public Library has an online index for various years of the Post-Dispatch death notices and burial permits. Shows a death notice/obit for Joseph W. November 26, 1916 paper and a burial permit only for Julia in the January 24, 1919 paper. The one for Joseph may tell where he is buried. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm If not, the death certificate most likely would. You can obtain one from either the City of St Louis or the State of Missouri. http://www.health.state.mo.us/ Dave Lossos website has many links for St. Louis "stuff". http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/ And his link to the Recorder of Deeds Office where one can get a death certificate for those who died in the City of St. Louis http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/recorder.htm#death There are some Mullens in the Catholic cemeteries owned by the Archdiocese: http://www.stlcathcem.com/iSearch.aspx Georgia On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:32:00 -0500 "Lynne" <onken@springnet1.com> writes: > Looking for information on Joseph W. Mullen, born 1831 in Pa. He > married Julia A. Bicknell, in St Louis in 1870. Joseph died in 1916 > in St Louis. The Lynch and Tulley Funeral Home took care of the > arrangements. Julia died at her son, Clarence C. Mullen's house in > 1919. I don't know where either were buried. Jospeh and Julia also > had a daughter, Maude and another son, Joseph D. Maude was born in > 1875 and married William Warren Milby in 1908 in St Louis at her > parents home. She died in 1957 in Mason City, Illinois. > I believe Joseph was a steam boat pilot. Any information about any > of the above would be greatly appreciated. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Looking for information on Joseph W. Mullen, born 1831 in Pa. He married Julia A. Bicknell, in St Louis in 1870. Joseph died in 1916 in St Louis. The Lynch and Tulley Funeral Home took care of the arrangements. Julia died at her son, Clarence C. Mullen's house in 1919. I don't know where either were buried. Jospeh and Julia also had a daughter, Maude and another son, Joseph D. Maude was born in 1875 and married William Warren Milby in 1908 in St Louis at her parents home. She died in 1957 in Mason City, Illinois. I believe Joseph was a steam boat pilot. Any information about any of the above would be greatly appreciated.

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--- "Smith, Kathleen" <HG0102@SLPL.LIB.MO.US> wrote: > Several people have emailed me off-list about > getting a card if you live > outside of the St. Louis metro area. I will get back > to each of you as soon > as I have an answer! Kathy, Please post the answer to the list. Some of us want to know but haven't written to you yet! :) Thanks. Kelly __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

Hi Everyone, If you already have a St. Louis Public Library card, but don't have (or don't know) your pin number, call Customer Services and they can set it up over the phone or by email. The phone number is (314) 539-0373, or email mailto:webref@slpl.lib.mo.us . Several people have emailed me off-list about getting a card if you live outside of the St. Louis metro area. I will get back to each of you as soon as I have an answer! I'm so glad everyone is interested in our resources. et me know if you need any further information. Have a great day! Kathy Smith St. Louis Public Library -----Original Message----- From: Diane [mailto:lilirish@gtw.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:54 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #312 I tried to access Heritage Quest from the St. Louis Public Library's web site and found that you need a pin number, but I could not find any information about how to get a pin number. You know me folks, I tried the obvious ones! So I will call the St. Louis Public Library tomorrow and get information on how to get a pin number to use with the number on your St. Louis Public Library Card in order to access Heritage Quest from their web site. I will post the answer on the list as soon as I know it. Diane Shaw Antonia, MO ______________________________

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I use Heritage Quest from the St. Louis County Library. All I need to access this from home is my name as it is recorded on my card the card #. For census information, much prefer that over Ancestry. Bill Houdek bhoudek@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <lilirish@gtw.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:54 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #312 > I tried to access Heritage Quest from the St. Louis Public Library's web > site and found that you need a pin number, but I could not find any > information about how to get a pin number. You know me folks, I tried > the obvious ones! So I will call the St. Louis Public Library tomorrow > and get information on how to get a pin number to use with the number on > your St. Louis Public Library Card in order to access Heritage Quest > from their web site. I will post the answer on the list as soon as I > know it. > > Diane Shaw > Antonia, MO > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO >