Thanks to all who responded tho my inquiry.Although I am not a regular correspondent to the list,I knew I could count on the regulars to give me the answer.I have picked up a lot of valuable information from the list. Carol

The only note I disagree with Bob about that he added is the one concerning the LDS chapter. I tried both the one on Clayton Road by the County Library and the one in Hazelwood which is much farther than where I live. I found the folks at Hazelwood much friendlier and more helpful. No matter which time I went, they had knowledgeable people who took the time to work with me. So I drive an extra 20 minutes because of that. Just a personal experience. Also the Hazelwood has a list of everything they have on file and it tells you if it is on permanent loan or not. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > I have sandwiched comments into Laura's, below: > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htm > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rbozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > > > > Both are excellent resources and they do have some different things, so it > > depends on what you want to research. > > > > Times they are open: For this my vote goes to the county because they are > > open M-F until 9 PM. The city is open on specific nights...I think > Tuesday > > is one of them. > > City opens at 10 a.m. > > > > > > Passenger lists: City has lots of these. I have not seen them at the > > county but I might not have looked too hard for them as I found them so > > easily in the city. > > I have not seen any at County. > > > > > Newspapers: City has lots of these too. I think the County has them too > > but I have not seen them as accessible as I see them in the city. > > County has many. State Historical Society - Columbia has far more. > > > > > City Directories and Census Records: Both have these. The city has > > automatic drive microfilm readers while the county has the kind you have > to > > turn. That is not a big issue but if you are doing a lot of them it can > get > > tiring. > > > > Helpful librarians: Both have great and very helpful staff. > > > > Church records: County has them. Not sure if the city does or not. > > City - no. > > > > > Reference books on many other states and outlying areas: Both have these > > but they have different books. > > > > Computer access: Both have > > > > Ability to copy microfilm: Both have > > > > What you can take into the research room in the county is more restricted > > than in the city. > > > > Parking is much easier at the county than in the city where you have to > pay > > at meters that are limited to around 2 hours or slightly less. > > One can find free parking near City on Saturdays. I ride the express bus to > get there weekdays. > > > > > So you see both have pros and cons depending upon what you are looking > for. > > The city is located close to City Hall and Vital Statistics and the Civil > Courts > > as well. > > > > St. Louis also offers: > > Several LDS centers > > The one on Clayton is the good one; they keep a catalog of items in-house at > the time. > > > The Carondelet Area Historical Society which has a wonder research > > library with things I have not seen in other places > > Plus multiple museums and societies that cater to genealogy, ethnic > > background, city and county history, veterans, and the list goes on.... > > > > Depending upon how much time you will have you may want to spend a day in > > each location. > > > > Laura > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <SReif1956@aol.com> > > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:20 PM > > Subject: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > > > > > > > Here's a question for all who live in the St. Louis area right now. > > > > > > If I were to go to St. Louis to search for information in the old city > > > directories, would I be happier at the city library in St. Louis or the > > county > > > library in Frontenac? I want to be able to look at city birth, death > and > > > marriage/divorce index.records also. > > > > > > I will have limited time, so I just wanted to know where my time would > > best > > > be spent. > > > > > > Also, when searching through the directories and indices, is it possible > > to > > > make copies of the records (Xerox) or do they allow digital cameras in > the > > > research areas? > > > > > > Would appreciate a reply from those who have been down the path I am > > taking. > > > > > > Thanks, Sharon > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > >

As far as I know both the City and County Libraries only have the newspapers on microfilm. But there I will try to find some old notes I have about adoption. One of my great grandfathers was adopted. It seems to me that there is an Archivist located somewhere in City Hall. It might be in the back of the vital statistics area. That might be a good place to start. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "lora roberts" <robertslora@hotmail.com> To: <rbozzay@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > I have found your memo really interesting and I would like your opinion. > I am helping a female adoptee find her birth family. She wasn't adopted > until she was 3 years old. She was born 1/25/70 at 4:51pm at St. Louis City > Hospital which is now closed. (I understand the Dept of Health has all of > their records and I would love to get the birth log for that day - but I > realy don't know how to go about it.) > Well on with my dilemma....I have the birth registry for all Missouri babies > born on 1/25/70...her adopted name is listed. But by using the process of > elimination, comparing the names on the birth registry with the Birth > Announcements that the St. Louis Post Dispatch and the Globe Democrat use to > print I can perhaps come up with a name that doesn't match the Birth > registry list which might be her birth name. > The St. Louis County Library has microfilm that is very hard to read and I > need to go through several weeks of Birth announcements. Also the St. Louis > County Library only has the Post Dispatch. > This is my question: Do you know where I could look at the actual > newspapers from that time period? > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Lora Roberts > lora@emedhire.com > > > > > >From: "rbozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> > >To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 22:23:24 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.39]) by mc12-f7.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 8 Oct 2003 20:24:09 -0700 > >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id > >h993NOr6017075;Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:23:24 -0600 > >X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRigfKij1AYEBSgF7u0sElrTO > >Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:23:24 -0600 > >X-Original-Sender: rbozzay@earthlink.net Wed Oct 8 21:23:23 2003 > >Message-ID: <006701c38e14$b9072850$6401a8c0@yoursz6x6sefxo> > >Old-To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > >References: <1a9.1b06056e.2cb5a166@aol.com> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > >Resent-Message-ID: <3Wl7WD.A.dKE.sSNh_@lists2.rootsweb.com> > >Resent-From: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/6840 > >X-Loop: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > >Precedence: list > >Resent-Sender: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Return-Path: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2003 03:24:10.0941 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[CE603ED0:01C38E14] > > > >Both are excellent resources and they do have some different things, so it > >depends on what you want to research. > > > >Times they are open: For this my vote goes to the county because they are > >open M-F until 9 PM. The city is open on specific nights...I think Tuesday > >is one of them. > > > >Passenger lists: City has lots of these. I have not seen them at the > >county but I might not have looked too hard for them as I found them so > >easily in the city. > > > >Newspapers: City has lots of these too. I think the County has them too > >but I have not seen them as accessible as I see them in the city. > > > >City Directories and Census Records: Both have these. The city has > >automatic drive microfilm readers while the county has the kind you have to > >turn. That is not a big issue but if you are doing a lot of them it can > >get > >tiring. > > > >Helpful librarians: Both have great and very helpful staff. > > > >Church records: County has them. Not sure if the city does or not. > > > >Reference books on many other states and outlying areas: Both have these > >but they have different books. > > > >Computer access: Both have > > > >Ability to copy microfilm: Both have > > > >What you can take into the research room in the county is more restricted > >than in the city. > > > >Parking is much easier at the county than in the city where you have to pay > >at meters that are limited to around 2 hours or slightly less. > > > >So you see both have pros and cons depending upon what you are looking for. > >The city is located closes to City Hall and Vital Statistics and the Courts > >as well. > > > >St. Louis also offers: > > Several LDS centers > > The Carondelet Area Historical Society which has a wonder research > >library with things I have not seen in other places > > Plus multiple museums and societies that cater to genealogy, ethnic > >background, city and county history, veterans, and the list goes on.... > > > >Depending upon how much time you will have you may want to spend a day in > >each location. > > > >Laura > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <SReif1956@aol.com> > >To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:20 PM > >Subject: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > > > > > > > Here's a question for all who live in the St. Louis area right now. > > > > > > If I were to go to St. Louis to search for information in the old city > > > directories, would I be happier at the city library in St. Louis or the > >county > > > library in Frontenac? I want to be able to look at city birth, death > >and > > > marriage/divorce index.records also. > > > > > > I will have limited time, so I just wanted to know where my time would > >best > > > be spent. > > > > > > Also, when searching through the directories and indices, is it possible > >to > > > make copies of the records (Xerox) or do they allow digital cameras in > >the > > > research areas? > > > > > > Would appreciate a reply from those who have been down the path I am > >taking. > > > > > > Thanks, Sharon > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > >A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage > today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > >

I thought boarding meant one could get meals with the room he rented. S. Fisher

Both are excellent resources and they do have some different things, so it depends on what you want to research. Times they are open: For this my vote goes to the county because they are open M-F until 9 PM. The city is open on specific nights...I think Tuesday is one of them. Passenger lists: City has lots of these. I have not seen them at the county but I might not have looked too hard for them as I found them so easily in the city. Newspapers: City has lots of these too. I think the County has them too but I have not seen them as accessible as I see them in the city. City Directories and Census Records: Both have these. The city has automatic drive microfilm readers while the county has the kind you have to turn. That is not a big issue but if you are doing a lot of them it can get tiring. Helpful librarians: Both have great and very helpful staff. Church records: County has them. Not sure if the city does or not. Reference books on many other states and outlying areas: Both have these but they have different books. Computer access: Both have Ability to copy microfilm: Both have What you can take into the research room in the county is more restricted than in the city. Parking is much easier at the county than in the city where you have to pay at meters that are limited to around 2 hours or slightly less. So you see both have pros and cons depending upon what you are looking for. The city is located closes to City Hall and Vital Statistics and the Courts as well. St. Louis also offers: Several LDS centers The Carondelet Area Historical Society which has a wonder research library with things I have not seen in other places Plus multiple museums and societies that cater to genealogy, ethnic background, city and county history, veterans, and the list goes on.... Depending upon how much time you will have you may want to spend a day in each location. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <SReif1956@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > Here's a question for all who live in the St. Louis area right now. > > If I were to go to St. Louis to search for information in the old city > directories, would I be happier at the city library in St. Louis or the county > library in Frontenac? I want to be able to look at city birth, death and > marriage/divorce index.records also. > > I will have limited time, so I just wanted to know where my time would best > be spent. > > Also, when searching through the directories and indices, is it possible to > make copies of the records (Xerox) or do they allow digital cameras in the > research areas? > > Would appreciate a reply from those who have been down the path I am taking. > > Thanks, Sharon > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > >

Dear Carol, It could mean that he rents a room from the owner or the person who is renting the house or I have seen adult children listed as boarders in their parents' house. A lot of people rented out rooms, especially widows who took in boarders and provided meals to earn a living. Two of my greatgrandmothers did that-one had three boarders and the other one in St. Louis had seven boarders on one of the censuses. Georgia On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:53:54 -0500 "Carol Amrein" <carolaa@fidnet.com> writes: > In looking up possible address for ggrandfather in th 1890 St.Louis > directory I found the following-"boards 804 N. Broadway". Could > someone tell me what "boards" meant? > > Carol > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Dear Sharon, When I was in St. Louis two years ago, I went to both. I used the county library for the Catholic church records (which I was primarily interested in), the draft registration for WWI and city directories. I went to the public library on Olive street for the newspapers. At that time I wasn't aware of all the "stuff" that was available at the public library. The problem with the public library was parking. There was only two hour on street parking whereas the county library had parking. From using the internet, I have found the public library staff to be most helpful. No experience with the county library. The public library was not busy when I was there nor was the county particularly busy but I was told that the county library could get very busy and you would be limited using the microfilm readers at that time. If I remember correctly, all the microfilm readers were also photocopiers at the county library. Also, the county library was near a large supermarket which had a section where you could get food-sandwiches, hot food, drinks and you could either eat it there or take it with you. http://www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/index.html http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/library.htm Email them about using digital cameras. At the county library, you have to put most of your stuff in a locker. You are limited in what you can bring into the genealogy room. I think there is something on their website which tells you what you can bring in. Georgia On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 13:20:38 EDT SReif1956@aol.com writes: > Here's a question for all who live in the St. Louis area right now. > > If I were to go to St. Louis to search for information in the old > city > directories, would I be happier at the city library in St. Louis or > the county > library in Frontenac? I want to be able to look at city birth, > death and > marriage/divorce index.records also. > > I will have limited time, so I just wanted to know where my time > would best > be spent. > > Also, when searching through the directories and indices, is it > possible to > make copies of the records (Xerox) or do they allow digital cameras > in the > research areas? > > Would appreciate a reply from those who have been down the path I am > taking. > > Thanks, Sharon > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I remember in the 1940s when you pulled into a filling station and the attendant asked, "How much?" Ralph Brasher Sr would reply, "Give me five," and he would receive five gallons of gas for one dollar. My grand dad, Ralph, was a cool dude. Then gas settled around 22 cents a gallon and one day he pulled into a station and asked for five and received five dollars worth. Poor Ralph only had a dollar with him and had to go through the indignity of having gas taken out of his tank on a car lift. On the way home Ralph's comment was, "Those #@$&%**%#@$& gas companies are trying to rule the World."----Jim

Is anyone else still having problems getting clear images of the 1930 census from Ancestry? I have been trying for month after month for Missouri Taney Co., Branson. I've sent Ancestry another email today - thus far they have only given me excuses. Other folks have been kind enough to send me the information I've been seeking, but that does not excuse Ancestry for not delivering what they promise when they take the money.

Sharon: Please publish the answer if it's sent directly to you and not to the list. Good info for all of us out-of-towners! Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <SReif1956@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > Here's a question for all who live in the St. Louis area right now. > > If I were to go to St. Louis to search for information in the old city > directories, would I be happier at the city library in St. Louis or the county > library in Frontenac? I want to be able to look at city birth, death and > marriage/divorce index.records also. > > I will have limited time, so I just wanted to know where my time would best > be spent. > > Also, when searching through the directories and indices, is it possible to > make copies of the records (Xerox) or do they allow digital cameras in the > research areas? > > Would appreciate a reply from those who have been down the path I am taking. > > Thanks, Sharon > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. >

<<I still have a car that I once gassed up for 0.199.<< Bob: Were you using mills? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Memories > For a long time a certain Standard station on Hampton (west side, north of > Nottingham, well south of Hampton Village) posted "7 gals for $1" > > In 1936, my Dad sold his 1929 Whippet to Carl Martin's Sinclair station on > Hampton (near Walsh) for $15 in trade. > > The lowest gas price that I remember was 0.139 at Shell in Pacific. > > I still have a car that I once gassed up for 0.199. > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htminclair > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htm > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm >

Here's a question for all who live in the St. Louis area right now. If I were to go to St. Louis to search for information in the old city directories, would I be happier at the city library in St. Louis or the county library in Frontenac? I want to be able to look at city birth, death and marriage/divorce index.records also. I will have limited time, so I just wanted to know where my time would best be spent. Also, when searching through the directories and indices, is it possible to make copies of the records (Xerox) or do they allow digital cameras in the research areas? Would appreciate a reply from those who have been down the path I am taking. Thanks, Sharon

Carol, "Boards" signifies that someone lived at that household. Sometime the address was for a boarding house or where a person rented a room but often a person is shown as "bds" or "boards" when they lived at that address but didn't own the property or weren't the primary renter. Often sons or daughters are listed as "bds" in the household that is also listed as "r." (residence) for the father or mother. If you found this listing using Ancestry, you can also search the same directory database by leaving both first and last names blank and just putting the address in under "Keyword". You might just discover whether or not the person you're researching is living with relatives or if they're just in a household that rented rooms. Tracy in AK > Subj: [StL-Metro] Address in 1890 City directory > Date: 10/8/03 8:38:48 AM Alaskan Daylight Time > From: <A HREF="mailto:carolaa@fidnet.com">carolaa@fidnet.com</A> > > In looking up possible address for ggrandfather in th 1890 St.Louis > directory I found the following-"boards 804 N. Broadway". Could someone tell me what > "boards" meant? > > Carol >

"Boards as in "Boarding house" . . . subject was probably renting a room, rather than an entire dwelling. That's my best guess, anyway! Regards, Cori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Amrein" <carolaa@fidnet.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Address in 1890 City directory > In looking up possible address for ggrandfather in th 1890 St.Louis directory I found the following-"boards 804 N. Broadway". Could someone tell me what "boards" meant? > > Carol > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. >

For city directories, you'd do best at the Missouri Historical Society on Skinker, where you can use paper copies, not just microfilm, but they are closed on Mondays. For pre-1861, the LDS microfiche set is one's best bet. There you can photocopy, but I think digital cameras are OK. You can e-mail them. That is not the State Historical Society of Missouri, which is at Columbia. Pre-1910 Birth and Death records - probably best at County Library, but I prefer State Archives at Jefferson City. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <SReif1956@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 12:20 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] City vs County Library > Here's a question for all who live in the St. Louis area right now. > > If I were to go to St. Louis to search for information in the old city > directories, would I be happier at the city library in St. Louis or the county > library in Frontenac? I want to be able to look at city birth, death and > marriage/divorce index.records also. > > I will have limited time, so I just wanted to know where my time would best > be spent. > > Also, when searching through the directories and indices, is it possible to > make copies of the records (Xerox) or do they allow digital cameras in the > research areas? > > Would appreciate a reply from those who have been down the path I am taking. > > Thanks, Sharon > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > >

In looking up possible address for ggrandfather in th 1890 St.Louis directory I found the following-"boards 804 N. Broadway". Could someone tell me what "boards" meant? Carol

Does anyone know anything about the Pullman Car porters? I'm having a time trying to find out who the members of this organization were. I've contacted the A. Philip Randolph Institute---with no results at all. It's impossible to find anyone at the Newberry to e-mail on this matter. DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE I CAN GET NAMES OF THE PULLMAN PORTERS?

For a long time a certain Standard station on Hampton (west side, north of Nottingham, well south of Hampton Village) posted "7 gals for $1" In 1936, my Dad sold his 1929 Whippet to Carl Martin's Sinclair station on Hampton (near Walsh) for $15 in trade. The lowest gas price that I remember was 0.139 at Shell in Pacific. I still have a car that I once gassed up for 0.199. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htminclair Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htm

Is Roland Fogt subscribed to the list ? I received a query about one of his St. Louis postcards. The Mardi Gras Night, Cave Dancing Academy. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/postcards/undated2cavecancingacademy.jpg Scott Williams, Scenes From Old St. Louis http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/scenes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Edna Gravenhorst To: verdun1918@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: Roland Fogt Collection Hello, I am Edna Gravenhorst owner and founder of Three Nosey Broads/Historical Home Research in St. Louis. I have been hired by the owners of 2839 Olive St. in St. Louis to research the building's history. I have copies of the original permits which include addresses 2841 to 2847 Olive St.. In the collection of Roland Fogt there is a postcard titled Mardi Gras Night/Cave Dancing Academy, it is not dated. I can tell you that from my deed transfers research I know that the Cave Amusement Company owned the property from 1914 to 1922, in 1922 the name was changed to Castle Amusement Company. The name change was recorded July 6, 1922. The building was built in 1908 for a sum of $24,000, the owners on the building permit were Cornelius P. Ahern & Herman Albers. We know that Duke Ellington played there when it was called the Castle Ballroom on November 15, 1939. I will have more information when I finish the project, I thought I would send you a little history in regards to t! his postcard. I would like to know where this collection is located and do you have any information on how I can get in touch with the collection owners. I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you, Edna Campos Gravenhorst 3150 Ohio Ave. St. Louis, MO 63118 314/762-9192 --- Edna Gravenhorst --- ednagravenhorst@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Do you remember the end of the tour at the Falstaff brewery? When the tour ended you were taken to the Hospitality House. A huge room that gave the impression that you had entered Sherwood forest and were about to meet Robinhood and a bunch of his Merry Men. As you entered the room, without spying Robin, the first thing you encountered was a table about twenty to thirty feet long loaded with every kind of cheese and cold cut the world has ever known. Ham, salami, baloney, roast beef, roast pork, pastrami, and all the terrific German sausages, you name it and it was on that table. Chips, but no dips, they didn't exist yet. And the breads, so numerous you couldn't have kept up with the different types. And finally the beer taps. There was a beer tap for every type of beer produced in that brewery in North St Louis. And would you believe Falstaff out shined The Bud folks in South St Louis? It was truly a North and South war fought for the hearts and minds of the beer drinking world, and it all took place in our very own home town of St Louis, Missouri.----Jim