My surnames are: B-Bailey I am looking for James Bailey, born in England, who married Elizabeth Schier around 1848. They had the following children: Josephine (my grgrandmother), Mary (Mame), Anne (Nan), Stephen, Timothy, and another son who I am unable to remember. I believe that Elizabeth lived in the Carondolet area after James died around 1862. He was in the Army, but died out west somewhere. I am interested in all of the above people. C-Coost Mary Bailey (from above)married a man named James Coost. They are both buried at Mt. Olive Cemetery in St. Louis. D-Dalton Jospehine Bailey married a Thomas Dalton. Thomas' parents, Elizabeth McCabe or O'keefe and Thomas Dalton were from Ireland. They had the following children: Margaret (born in Ireland, married James Flanigan), Thomas (born in either Ireland or Missouri in 1852), Garret, Elizabeth, Lillie, Charles, all from Missouri. They resided in the Carandolet area. They may have come over around 1850, but I do not know what county in Ireland. Diane H.

BISTO COCHRAN, Maud DAVIS, William m Rachel Barnes Children - George W, Nancy, Sally, Robert, Talitha, Cornilla and Amanda - all after 1830) DOESCHER EDDENS

BEISCHEL, Michael (1822-1873): He was born in Bavaria and married Maria Kimigunde Wolf in St. Louis, MO in 1852. Then they moved to West Belleville, IL BEYER. Julius (1847-1916): was born at sea and immigrated around 1848. He has a German background but where in Germany, I do not know. He has a brother named Oscar and on his death certificate his father is Fredrick. He married Anna Beischel (1853-1929) in 1872. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears

As we are nearing the time of year many of you will be putting together family oriented mementos I thought we might want to do a roll call of the names we are all researching...but because this list has over 300 members I don't want to glut us all with emails. So, I thought we'd do this by alphabet over the next few weeks. If you have any surnames that begin with the letters A - E that you are researching and want to see if someone else on this list has a matching surname, feel free to post it this week. Starting today through Saturday. Then next week we will do a few more letters until we get through the entire alphabet. For this exercise it is OK to post names that connect into your St. Louis / Greater St.Louis / MO / Illinois people. That means if your grandfather or great grandfather never set foot here but his kids did, go ahead and post.... OK, mine are: (I have A surnames but they are much farther back in my line so I am not going to post those but if someone else does, I will respond) B: BECKMANN (St. Louis and Germany at least I think it would be Germany) Specifically Helen Beckmann who married Herman Gerhard Sanders. They had Margaret Catherine Sanders who was the mother of my Great Grandmother Helen Eufinger. We think the Beckmann / Sanders folks may have been from the Hannover area of Germany. C: CHEYNE, COPLAND, COPELAND (Scotland) I recently posted these on the Aberdeenshire list and got lots of great help on them. I list them here to help others if they want to trade any info on these Scottish lines. They are in the Great Grandmother categories. D: DUNN (Scotland) same as the description for C above. E: EUFINGER (St. Louis and Germany way back it is Swiss) sometimes this is seen as Enfinger or Euffinger...I have lots of data on this but have lots track of many of the living family members. My Great Grandmother was Helen Eufinger. Her family all lived in the parish now known as the Shrine of St. Joseph. This side of my family were the railroad folks. 3 generations of them. Joseph Eufinger was one of the first Eufinger's to come to the US. He came with several brothers and sisters as well as his father, Nicolaus. Nicolaus died in St. Louis in October of 1875. He came from Villmar, Waldeck, Hess, Nassau, Germany. Joseph was one of 6 children that I know about. The others were Johannes, Anna-Maria (Mary Ann), Anton, Catharina, and Elizabeth. Laura

BIEBEL descendents of Andreas (Andrew) 1847-1915 and wife Maria (Mary). Rosie Schaefer Rideout Fallbrook, CA

BAUERLEIN Ann Margaret m. John Wirthlin BECKER Arnold m. Teresa Jaeger, Nicholas m. Marie Wirthlin BELL Matt m. Katharina (Houck) Wachter BERLINGER Matthew m. Pauline Wachter BRINER Fred m. Ida Wirthlin CAMPBELL Frances m. Oliver Wirthlin COULTER Sidney m. Julia Wirthlin DEWES Alexander m. Nellie Wirthlin ENGEL Anna m. John Wirthlin

It was in the 1950s, probably 1954. The place was Tea, Mo. The price was $0.25 per gallon - no odd-ball 'and 9'. I bought gasoline from a manual pump. By double-acting pump, the attendant pumped the gas into a large vertical glass cylinder, well above the height of the customer's vehicle. Inside the cylinder were markers for 1, 2, 3, etc., gallons. When the cylinder was full, some gas overflowed back into the storage tank. Then, by gravity, the attendant would admit gas into the customer's tank, as many gallons as the customer asked for. There was in those days no "fill 'er up"; that would have led to fractions of gallons. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/contents.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jims505@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Gas 1940s > I remember in the 1940s when you pulled into a filling station and the > attendant asked, "How much?" Ralph Brasher Sr would reply, "Give me five," and he > would receive five gallons of gas for one dollar. My grand dad, Ralph, was a > cool dude. > > Then gas settled around 22 cents a gallon and one day he pulled into a > station and asked for five and received five dollars worth. Poor Ralph only had a > dollar with him and had to go through the indignity of having gas taken out of > his tank on a car lift. > > On the way home Ralph's comment was, "Those #@$&%**%#@$& gas companies are > trying to rule the World."----Jim > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > >

I can't see what it would hurt to post these things.  If enough people contact the organizations and question as to whether genealogical information would be available, maybe these groups would start  researching and providing items & info. Lea Ripper in KCMO Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder, Hoelzer, Gebhardt

Bob Doerr: Can you get in touch. I have just discovered that the head of the Cuba, MO Historical Society is an old High School chum of mine and is just getting started in Cuba. He can use a little help as he does not have a mighty staff of investigators. The Society is located in the old Cuba High School building near the Catholic church. Turns out that his wife and I were in the same 4-H club when we were kids and I knew her too. I would like to give your next door neighbor your address but have lost it. Please get in touch.----Jim

I just found this website that may be of interest for those who had relatives who died in the Korean War. http://www.aiipowmia.com/koreacw/kwkia_menu.html

This was also the first war in which POWs were left behind when the war ended. This was only confirmed months after the war had ended and was related in speeches after the war by Generals Clark (From The Danube To The Yalu by General Mark W. Clark chapter 19) and Van Fleet, (The New York Times on August 8, 1953, Gen. James A. Van Fleet, retired commander of the United States Eighth Army in Korea, estimated tonight that a large percentage of the 8,000 American soldiers listed as missing in Korea were alive). I was in the Korean War and met both generals, see my photo here, http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/korea/pix5.html Art Rideout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Korean War deaths > I just found this website that may be of interest for those who had > relatives who died in the Korean War. > > http://www.aiipowmia.com/koreacw/kwkia_menu.html > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > >

Thanks for the info, Laura. Now I have another ? for you. Found you on a message board for Gebhardts in St. Louis. I have a Magdelena Gebhardt who married a Valentine Hoelzer, probably over in Illinois, but eventually settled in the Carondelet area of St. Louis. I have no knowledge of parents or siblings. In the 1860 Census (Columbia, Illinois) she was listed as 36 yrs. old. Could this connect to your Gottlieb/Gottfried????? Lea in KCMO Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder, Mueller, Hoelzer, Gebhardt

List: Just an interesting aside on Germans in St. Louis. Most from northern Germany coincidently settled on the North side and visa-versa. During the late 1840s thru the 1870s, Germans settled 35% North, 50% South and 15% West StL. For you out-of-towners, Market St. is the dividing line between north and south sides. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Religion Question > Dear Sherry, > > Using my German Catholics here in the Detroit area as an example, they settled with other Germans and attended churches that had since been referred > to as "German" Catholic. I think I read that with the increase in foreign speaking people, churches were started that had priests who could speak > German or whatever the language of the congregation was. This is for the Detroit area. > > From what I have seen of my Irish Catholics in St. Louis, they too, seemed to live in an "Irish" neighborhood and attended a church where (other > than Latin for Mass), the language was English. > > My mother-in-law's father was German and raised Evangelical/Lutheran but when he married his wife who was Scottish, he must have joined the > Presbyterian church since that is what my mother-in-law was raised as. When my mother-in-law lived with her in-laws, the family attended the > Congregational church. My husband said that as children, they, too, attended the Congregation church because it was the closest one to their house > and they didn't have a car. In later years, my in-laws belonged to the Presbyterian church in Louisville. I don't know why, if it was because they > lived closer to that particular church, or the neighbors belonged to it or my mother-in-law wanted to return to the religion of her childhood. > > My neighbors who immigrated here from Yugoslavia drive somewhere between 20 & 30 miles to attend the Orthodox church on the east side of the Metro > Detroit area. > > My opinion would be that you would more likely find people who were "Protestant" joining a Protestant church that was not the denomination that > they were raised in rather than see them join a Catholic or Orthodox church which happened to be in the neighborhood and that Catholics and Orthodox > would seek out a Catholic or Orthodox church to attend even if it meant travelling a distance to attend church or having to wait for a missionary on > horseback to make the rounds. > > Georgia > > Sherry Corder wrote: > > > Does anyone know how people used to "choose" what religion that they wanted > > to believe in? Was it simply a matter of whatever church happen to be the > > closest or within walking distance? I see that some of my family members > > attended a certain denomination of religion and the when they moved to > > another area their religion choice or choice of church was different. > > > > Was there that enough of a difference back then that would make people > > actually travel further to go to another church verses going to one that was > > closer and more convenient for them to attend? > > > > Just curious. > > > > Thanks > > Sherry > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. >

Dear Sherry, Using my German Catholics here in the Detroit area as an example, they settled with other Germans and attended churches that had since been referred to as "German" Catholic. I think I read that with the increase in foreign speaking people, churches were started that had priests who could speak German or whatever the language of the congregation was. This is for the Detroit area. From what I have seen of my Irish Catholics in St. Louis, they too, seemed to live in an "Irish" neighborhood and attended a church where (other than Latin for Mass), the language was English. My mother-in-law's father was German and raised Evangelical/Lutheran but when he married his wife who was Scottish, he must have joined the Presbyterian church since that is what my mother-in-law was raised as. When my mother-in-law lived with her in-laws, the family attended the Congregational church. My husband said that as children, they, too, attended the Congregation church because it was the closest one to their house and they didn't have a car. In later years, my in-laws belonged to the Presbyterian church in Louisville. I don't know why, if it was because they lived closer to that particular church, or the neighbors belonged to it or my mother-in-law wanted to return to the religion of her childhood. My neighbors who immigrated here from Yugoslavia drive somewhere between 20 & 30 miles to attend the Orthodox church on the east side of the Metro Detroit area. My opinion would be that you would more likely find people who were "Protestant" joining a Protestant church that was not the denomination that they were raised in rather than see them join a Catholic or Orthodox church which happened to be in the neighborhood and that Catholics and Orthodox would seek out a Catholic or Orthodox church to attend even if it meant travelling a distance to attend church or having to wait for a missionary on horseback to make the rounds. Georgia Sherry Corder wrote: > Does anyone know how people used to "choose" what religion that they wanted > to believe in? Was it simply a matter of whatever church happen to be the > closest or within walking distance? I see that some of my family members > attended a certain denomination of religion and the when they moved to > another area their religion choice or choice of church was different. > > Was there that enough of a difference back then that would make people > actually travel further to go to another church verses going to one that was > closer and more convenient for them to attend? > > Just curious. > > Thanks > Sherry > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO

I haven't ever been to the city library but a group of us went from Columbia to the county library on Wed. and the staff was very helpful. I intend to eventually make it to the city branch; I have mostly dealt with the city library by E-mail/snail mail and they are very friendly and helpful. Wish I could say the same about every library I have dealt with..... Jean

In a message dated 10/22/03 7:28:00 PM Central Daylight Time, shamrock9@socket.net writes: > Does anyone know how people used to "choose" what religion that they wanted > to believe in? Was it simply a matter of whatever church happen to be the > closest or within walking distance? I see that some of my family members > attended a certain denomination of religion and the when they moved to > another area their religion choice or choice of church was different. > Was there that enough of a difference back then that would make people > actually travel further to go to another church verses going to one that was > closer and more convenient for them to attend? > Hi, Sherry! Here's my two cents worth on this subject- My blanket answer would be that "It depends." It depends on what religion the people were born into and how closely or strictly it was followed in their childhood home. Remember that in the very early days of American farm life, there were very few churches around. And even fewer preachers. Many times there were Circuit Riders of different religious groups who would come to an area maybe once per month. The individual little towns might have 20 or 30 followers and the services would be held in one of these people's homes. As time went by and the town's population grew, they might have enough money to build a church but could only afford to have a preacher one Sunday per month. Because of this towns tended to become predominantly one religion. People of that particular faith would move to the town that had the church of the faith they followed. If a person of a different faith moved into this town, they could either attend this church or travel, sometimes quite a long distance, to another town that had a church of their faith. Here again it depended on the strength of their convictions as to whether to "cross over" to this other religion or not. Sometimes distances and/or road conditions prevented them from following their faith no matter how strong they felt about it. I can give you an example of this in my Miller family of Venedy, IL. The mother, who was born Catholic in Bavaria, came to the USA when 10 years old in 1846. She married and lived in Venedy, IL, a small town with only a Lutheran church. The closest Catholic church was some distance away in St. Libory, IL. The Kaskaskia River was an obstacle in reaching this Catholic church. So most of her children were Baptized in the Lutheran church in Venedy. However, I feel she, and maybe her husband, remained Catholic and were probably buried in a Catholic cemetery due to their Catholic beliefs about consecrated soil for burials. I still haven't found them but I will keep digging... Gloria

And some people such as Methodists went to Baptist churches and vice versa beause there simpley weren't any churches of their denomnation in the are they lived in - u saw that in rural areas all the time.

In a message dated 10/22/03 20:28:02, shamrock9@socket.net writes: > Was there that enough of a difference back then that would make people > actually travel further to go to another church verses going to one that was > closer and more convenient for them to attend? > Yes. The differences were enough for some people even to fight and estrange themselves from one another. Roy

Gloria, You gave a beautiful answer to the question. I too believe it is with what convictions you have and how strong they are. Charlcy

Does anyone know how people used to "choose" what religion that they wanted to believe in? Was it simply a matter of whatever church happen to be the closest or within walking distance? I see that some of my family members attended a certain denomination of religion and the when they moved to another area their religion choice or choice of church was different. Was there that enough of a difference back then that would make people actually travel further to go to another church verses going to one that was closer and more convenient for them to attend? Just curious. Thanks Sherry