Seeking descendents of: MURPHY, John b. Ireland c.1799 d. St. Louis Jan. 1879 2 known children: Catherine, married to William HUGHES; Mary A., married to James CARTEN MCCARTHY, Thomas married to Catherine CARTEN 2 known children: Catherine and Margaret FLANAGAN, John P. b. Ireland c. 1859 d. St. Louis March 1928 St. Louis City Police Sargeant married to Mary KENNEY known children are Julia, Joseph, Vincent

We have done A-E, N-P, and V-Z . Yes, you can submit for any of these alphabet letters to catch up with the group. Lets do: F, L, M, U (in case any of you think I don't know the alphabet I am trying to balance letters with a lot of names with those with fewer names so as not to overload the list) I don't have any I can think of off hand. So any I would have would be pretty deeply down in my gedcom. But, I know that Jim for sure has M.... Laura

My "N" ancestor is Anna Barbara NOLTE. She was born Apr 5, 1830 in Germany and died in St Louis March 24, 1902. She is buried at Bethany. March 24, 1861 she married Christian Sailer in St Louis. Children are Anna, Charles , Joseph, and Herman. Now for $50. in 1929. In November 1929 my grandparents and 3 children made a trip from St Louis to Los Angles California. They traveled 5,191 miles.Expenses for the trip (to and from only) were as follows: $ 58.34 gas (261 gallons) 8.60 oil (28 quarts) 45.59 food 30.55 Miscellaneous 18.25 Rooms $ 161.33 > > > > > Subject: > [StL-Metro] Economics Question > From: > SReif1956@comcast.net > Date: > Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:44:17 +0000 > To: > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > > >Here's a question for all of you economics majors: > >I found the notation for the funeral mass of my Great Grandfather, Carmelo Pitti, in the records for Our Lady Help of Christians Church. There was a mention that the family had made a donation to the church in the amount of $50. This was in June of 1929. What would that $50 be worth by today's economic standards? > >Anyone want to take a guess? I do not know, myself, but I think that $50 was probably quite a nice sum. > >Sharon > > > >> >>

What a great project! Feel free to post in chunks...kind of like a serial novel... As your information pertains to family in St. Louis it might have relevance to other members. I think if you save the Lotus notes as a "text file" most should be able to read them. If you want to try that feel free to send me a test. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Julie Chitwood" <chitwood@surfree.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] 1918-1921 letters > I have letters written in 1918-1921 that give a fantastic view of life > in St. Louis at that time period. They go into the effects of the > Spanish Infl., housing costs, dresses, politics, social events, movies > being shown, troop returns, etc. > > I have basically finished indexing 600 pages of letters written between > Sept. 1918 through Dec. 1921. There are about 1000 names, most relating > to people living in or near St. Louis. They were written by my two great > aunts: Celeste O'Donnell (St. Louis) & Rosalie O'Donnell (stationed > overseas with the Red Cross) and my Grandmother, Anna Mae (O'Donnell) > Malin (Chicago). They give a lot of information, not only about St. > Louis and the World, but marriages, deaths, births of friends and > family. I'm not sure if the list would be interested in seeing the index > - if so it is on the Lotus program and doesn't want to let me cut and > paste - so if anyone has any ideas? It is about 33 pages of names and > page numbers. I'm also hoping to scan the letters and put them on a cd > to protect them - one of these days. > > All most all of the letters are typewritten as Celeste worked for > Liggett & Meyer; Rosalie was a clerk in the Red Cross and my > Grandfather, to the vast relief of the family, purchased my Grandmother > a typewriter shortly after Rosalie left for overseas in 1918. Julie > Chitwood > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > >

We have very elusive Niemeyer in our family. Seems Christiana Niemeyer came to USA from Hanover, Germany sometime prior to 1860 with her mother, a sister & brother landing in New York. They eventually came to Rock Island and then to LeClair, Scott, Iowa. She m Carl Christian Ludwig Leims may 24, 1860. I have very little more on her, siblings or parents. She was my wife Sandra's ggrandmother. Any interest or help? Bill Houdek Ballwin, MO bhoudek@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "janicehartman" <janhartman@cox.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Niemeyer > Cathy, > Are your Niemeyers from Germany, mainly around Gottesburen, Hessen Cassel, Germany? My gggrandmother was Catharina Elisabeth Niemeyer born 27 Sep 1799 in Gottsburen. She married Johan Christoph Ludwig Lips. Her father was Johan George Niemeyer who married Anna Catharina Engel. Anna was born 7 Nov 1775 in Gottsburen. > Catharina Elisabeth Niemeyer died and her son,William Ernest Lips, where my line comes through stowed away on a ship to New York. There is some talk that he had an uncle, by the last name of Tolle perhaps in St. Louis. > My Lipps settled in Gonzales, Texas. > Thanks, > Janice > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. >

I have letters written in 1918-1921 that give a fantastic view of life in St. Louis at that time period. They go into the effects of the Spanish Infl., housing costs, dresses, politics, social events, movies being shown, troop returns, etc. I have basically finished indexing 600 pages of letters written between Sept. 1918 through Dec. 1921. There are about 1000 names, most relating to people living in or near St. Louis. They were written by my two great aunts: Celeste O'Donnell (St. Louis) & Rosalie O'Donnell (stationed overseas with the Red Cross) and my Grandmother, Anna Mae (O'Donnell) Malin (Chicago). They give a lot of information, not only about St. Louis and the World, but marriages, deaths, births of friends and family. I'm not sure if the list would be interested in seeing the index - if so it is on the Lotus program and doesn't want to let me cut and paste - so if anyone has any ideas? It is about 33 pages of names and page numbers. I'm also hoping to scan the letters and put them on a cd to protect them - one of these days. All most all of the letters are typewritten as Celeste worked for Liggett & Meyer; Rosalie was a clerk in the Red Cross and my Grandfather, to the vast relief of the family, purchased my Grandmother a typewriter shortly after Rosalie left for overseas in 1918. Julie Chitwood

Cathy, Are your Niemeyers from Germany, mainly around Gottesburen, Hessen Cassel, Germany? My gggrandmother was Catharina Elisabeth Niemeyer born 27 Sep 1799 in Gottsburen. She married Johan Christoph Ludwig Lips. Her father was Johan George Niemeyer who married Anna Catharina Engel. Anna was born 7 Nov 1775 in Gottsburen. Catharina Elisabeth Niemeyer died and her son,William Ernest Lips, where my line comes through stowed away on a ship to New York. There is some talk that he had an uncle, by the last name of Tolle perhaps in St. Louis. My Lipps settled in Gonzales, Texas. Thanks, Janice

Some of my surnames are Niemeyer-Eckhardt (Louise) O'Brien (Michael) - Lynch (Mary Agnes) O'Fallon (Thomas Joseph "Pappy")- Hackett (Rose Eagan) Cathy

Here's a question for all of you economics majors: I found the notation for the funeral mass of my Great Grandfather, Carmelo Pitti, in the records for Our Lady Help of Christians Church. There was a mention that the family had made a donation to the church in the amount of $50. This was in June of 1929. What would that $50 be worth by today's economic standards? Anyone want to take a guess? I do not know, myself, but I think that $50 was probably quite a nice sum. Sharon

Hi Sharon: Per Consumer Price Index it was about 10:1 in 1929 (before crash). The $50 would therefore be worth about $500 in today's dollars. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <SReif1956@comcast.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Economics Question > Here's a question for all of you economics majors: > > I found the notation for the funeral mass of my Great Grandfather, Carmelo Pitti, in the records for Our Lady Help of Christians Church. There was a mention that the family had made a donation to the church in the amount of $50. This was in June of 1929. What would that $50 be worth by today's economic standards? > > Anyone want to take a guess? I do not know, myself, but I think that $50 was probably quite a nice sum. > > Sharon > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. >

I found a site dMarie Time Capsule (dMarie Time Capsule) that gave me some interesting information for any date you specify. According to the chart June 1929 Prices under US President Herbert Hoover: Bread: $0.09/loaf Milk: $0.58/gal Eggs: $0.48/doz Car: $525 Gas: $0.25/gal House: $7,246 Stamp: $0.02/ea Avg Income: $1,582/yr DOW Avg: 248 So, $50 would have been a handsome sum. I have a $5 stipend for a funeral at St. Therese Church in 1930. It makes for an interesting addition to the notes for people in my family. Popular songs, headlines, other bits of trivia are available. Ellen SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: >Here's a question for all of you economics majors: > >I found the notation for the funeral mass of my Great Grandfather, Carmelo Pitti, in the records for Our Lady Help of Christians Church. There was a mention that the family had made a donation to the church in the amount of $50. This was in June of 1929. What would that $50 be worth by today's economic standards? > >Anyone want to take a guess? I do not know, myself, but I think that $50 was probably quite a nice sum. > >Sharon > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >A complete Genealogy just can't be...there's always more. > > __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

In a message dated 11/11/03 2:02:42 PM Central Standard Time, GDETTLEFF writes: > Hi, Everyone! > > I have made some recent serendipitous discoveries about my > "Illinois" relatives. > My DRENTEN folks started in Clinton County, IL or so I thought. > It seems that the family actually came from the Lingen area in North > Western Germany. They are included on the Emslander site and in Walter > Tenfelde's book about immigrants from this area as DRENTE but my > great-grandfather isn't listed. Plus, I had a different mother's name for > him from his marriage record in St. Dominic's in Breese, Clinton County, IL. > So I wasn't sure this was the correct family. While looking for someone > else's ancestor, I stumbled on a Drenten as a witness to a marriage in the > microfilmed records of the St. Louis Catholic church now called St. Joseph (Shrine > of). It seems that this Drente family started out in Missouri in the 1840s > and went to Illinois after 1865. While looking through these records > I recognized many Clinton County names. I wanted to share this information > and Dave Lossos has allowed my selected records, including Baptisms, Marriages > and Burials to be posted on his Genealogy in St. Louis web site. Please keep > a couple things in mind when you search through these records. > I translated the Latin but I spelled all or most of the surnames exactly the > way they appear in the records. This was a German Catholic parish and so > the Latin words for John and Henry I put in as Johann and Heinrich. Some names > I changed to the English and more recognizable forms such as Gesina for > Chesina. I also left all the umlauts in so you can see the way the names were > spelled originally. I also translated these records from copies of the > microfilmed pages and some names were rather difficult to decipher. So, in other > words, you must use a little imagination to find your people in some cases. > Dave's site and these church records can be found at: > <A HREF="http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/">http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com</A> > > The Emsland site, hosted by Barbara Salibi, is located at: > <A HREF="http://www.emslanders.com/">www.emslanders.com</A> > > Both of these sites are a wealth of information and both hosts welcome > new data. > May you be as lucky as I. Enjoy! > Gloria Dettleff >

Boy do I feel dumb! Sorry folks, I got ahead of myself. I have been out of town and and somehow thought that we had done T while I was gone. I am sorry for the mistake. Diane H.

I am looking for information regarding the surname Wilson. My earliest info on this family starts in Keokuk Iowa around 1860. Fleming C. Wilson married Dorcas Goodwin (Indiana or Ohio) and they had some of their children in Ohio and the rest in Iowa. They are as followes: William, James, Emma, Ella, Fleming, Ralph and a few that I could not read on the census. Fleming C. was in the Union army (info from Ancestry.com). Sometime in 1870 they moved to St. Louis and lived on Carr street. There my grgrandmother, Ella, married my grgrandfather, William Trackler. In the 1880's they moved to Carondolet. Ella and William had the following children: William, Daisey, Susan, Marcus, Ella Olive (my grandmother), and Oliver. Fleming C. Wilson died in 1903 and is buried in Jefferson Barrecks. He died in Phelps Co., but his pension was sent to someone in Kansas City. Dorcas Wilson (Goodwin) died in 1884 and is bured in Bellefontaine Cemetery. In the plot with her are an infant of William Wilson and a girl named Katy Noble. William Trackler died in 1923 and Ella died in 1919. Both are buried in Bellefontaine Cemetry, but not with Dorcas. When Ella Trackler died her obit was also sent to Kansas City and New York. We assume that relatives lived in these two cities. We are related somehow to the Wilson's from the meat packing company. Thanks, Diane H.

I have been out of town and missed some of the roll call. Here goes. I am looking for info on the Trackler and Wilson family. Susan Trackler was married several times. We are not sure, but believe her first husband to be an Oliver Trackler. Both are listed in the 1850 (Calhoun) and 1855 (Green) state census for Illinois. There are several land records for Susan and Oliver listed in Illinois (Calhoun County). In 1858 there is a marriage record in Calhoun County with a Susan Trackler marrying a James Greathouse. Later she is listed as a widow under the name Trackler in the 1860 St. Louis census. Around 1861 or 1862 she married a William Stephens in Lincoln County, MO. Her marriage record states that they were residents of Calhoun county, IL. Sometime in the late '60's or early in the 1870's she married a Jacob Stern. I have found her in the directory in the late 1870's and 1880 census for St. Louis, MO. She is also listed in the 1890 census as a widow of Jacob's. She died in 1903 in the St. Louis PoorHouse. We do not know if this is the same Susan Trackler marrying all of these men. Nor do we know if she divorced several or was a widow. We find her listed only as a widow to Oliver Trackler and Jacob Sterns. She has been very elusive and family lore is quite interesting, but cannot be verified. Supposedly she ran away from New York when she was with child at the age of 16. In the census for IL there are two sons listed, George 13 and William 2. Later in St. Louis only William is listed with her. Her son named Wililam (my greatgrandfather) married an Ella Wilson in 11/1876. Sorry this is so long, but I have so many mysteries with this lady. I will put my Wilson info on another e-mail. Thanks, Diane H.

I have a friend whose last name is Nuener. What information are you seeking? Let me now and I will ask her and see what we can come up with. Diane H.

Hi, Everyone! I have made some recent serendipitous discoveries about my "Illinois" relatives. My DRENTEN folks started in Clinton County, IL or so I thought. It seems that the family actually came from the Lingen area in North Western Germany. They are included on the Emslander site and in Walter Tenfelde's book about immigrants from this area as DRENTE but my great-grandfather isn't listed. Plus, I had a different mother's name for him from his marriage record in St. Dominic's in Breese, Clinton County, IL. So I wasn't sure this was the correct family. While looking for someone else's ancestor, I stumbled on a Drenten as a witness to a marriage in the microfilmed records of the St. Louis Catholic church now called St. Joseph (Shrine of). It seems that this Drente family started out in Missouri in the 1840s and went to Illinois after 1865. While looking through these records I recognized many Clinton County names. I wanted to share this information and Dave Lossos has allowed my selected records, including Baptisms, Marriages and Burials to be posted on his Genealogy in St. Louis web site. Please keep a couple things in mind when you search through these records. I translated the Latin but I spelled all or most of the surnames exactly the way they appear in the records. This was a German Catholic parish and so the Latin words for John and Henry I put in as Johann and Heinrich. Some names I changed to the English and more recognizable forms such as Gesina for Chesina. I also left all the umlauts in so you can see the way the names were spelled originally. I also translated these records from copies of the microfilmed pages and some names were rather difficult to decipher. So, in other words, you must use a little imagination to find your people in some cases. Dave's site and these church records can be found at: <A HREF="http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/">http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com</A> The Emsland site, hosted by Barbara Salibi, is located at: <A HREF="http://www.emslanders.com/">www.emslanders.com</A> Both of these sites are a wealth of information and both hosts welcome new data. May you be as lucky as I. Enjoy! Gloria Dettleff

If anyone attends the Feb. 29 lecture, please let us know about the German-American trash novels. Georgia GDETTLEFF@aol.com wrote: > Update from St. Clair County List Admin - > > > Listmates > > > > A GERMAN LECTURE SERIES IS COMING - mark you calendars. > > > > A lecture series to be held most Sundays in February 2004 is in the planning > > stages by the St. Clair County Historical Society, 701 East Washington > > Street, Belleville, IL 62220, ph: (618) 234- 0600. Lectures to be held at > > Southwestern Illinois College, 2:00 p.m. > > > > Dates and presenters so far: > > > > Feb 8, 2004 Tom Jewett on Gustave Koerner and his national connections. > > > > Feb 15, 2004 Steven Rowan - lecture focuses on why Germans were drawn to the > > St. Louis metro region and their life upon arrival. > > > > Feb 29, 2004 Steven Rowan - The Fantasy Prairie: Southern Illinois in 1850s > > German-American Trash Novels > > > > Mar 7, 2004 T.B.A > > > > This series is a fund raiser for the Gustave Koerner House Preservation > > (Belleville). Single and package ticket prices will be decided soon. If > > interested in this series, email Diane Walsh at rengen@compu-type.net or call the > > St. Clair County Historical Society. > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

Hi, Joan, My grandmother's older sister, Margarethe Louise Christiane Linhardt, married W. Herman Barlewort in 1871. Herman's parents were Friedrich and Christiane NOLTE Barlewort. Friedrich and Christiane had a daughter also, Franziska. They are buried at Friedens in St. Louis. Hope this helps. LaVerne

You can always check past emails by going to the archives located at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO the searchable version or http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO the date version. If you were not able to post the prior letters we did, go ahead and post them now. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Vitale" <retired2000@charter.net> To: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com>; <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:13 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [StL-Metro] Next alpha series...N, O, P, Q > I will be looking forward to a complete posting as I missed the others. > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Next alpha series...N, O, P, Q > > > > O'DONNELL, Margaret (ca 1879-1961) married to Andrew HEBRON (my line). > >From Ireland, father Patrick O'DONNELL and Elizabeth GREEN (?). At least > two brothers: Edmund, died 1915 and Patrick, Jr. born about 1872. > > > > OGLE, Arthur (b. ca 1904) and Mary Louise (b. ca 1907). My great uncle > Robert S. FINNEGAN's stepchildren. Their mother was Anna Rose STEPHAN. > > > > PRICE, Anna/Annie (ca 1851-1910) from Ireland, possibly Galway. Married > to 1) Patrick ABRAM/HEBRON 2) John LAMBERT. Had 6 Hebron children and 3 > Lambert children. Outlived both husbands and 3 children. Ran a saloon and > later a boarding house at 1120 S. Second for over 30 years. > > > > PRICE, Bridget (ca 1844-1909) sister of Annie, married to Patrick TIERNEY > and, apparently, no children. > > > > QUINLISK-married into one of my collateral HEBRON lines in 1964. > > > > Georgia > > > > > > rbozzay wrote: > > > > > In case you are just joining us, we are doing a controlled roll call by > listing surnames from > > > certain parts of the alphabet. > > > > > > We have done A, B, C. D. E...V, W, X, Y, Z and now lets do N, O, P, Q > (that's over half of the alphabet with this series...we will do the whole > thing so everyone has a chance to get help with their relative search. > > > > > > I really only have Penny / Pennie for this series. And I have a > relative coming to visit for a week from this side of the family. She is > from Australia and we are related via Scottish ancestry. She is coming here > after spending time in Scotland researching the family. I have everyone > from the St. Louis area for this family. I also belong to an adhoc group > of Penny / Penney / Pennie researchers. > > > There were some of these folks who fought in the Revolutionary War. > Some came from England, some from Scotland, some from Ireland, and mine came > from Scotland via Canada. So if any of you are research these names let me > know. I have a Penny (no matter how it is spelled) data base for the > Aberdeenshire area of Scotland (NE part). > > > > > > By the way, has anyone found some relatives doing this? If you have let > us know! Hope some of you are finding something of interest this way. > > > > > > Laura > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of > the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at > http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y". > > > > > >