Hi List, Here are the families that I'm researching: FREIHAUT from Biblis, Hessen Darmstadt, Germany circa 1846 FRERICHS - LORAINE/LORRAINE - lived around Florissant Mo. MEES from Weingarten , Zeiskam, Speier/Speyer Germany circa 1846 Cheers, Babs Aramowicz Perth, "Sunny All The Time" Western Australia Researching the following US families: Devaney, Dickhans/Dickhaus, Freihaut, Frerichs, Kane, Kamp, Kaufmann, Loraine, Mees, Tebeau, Touschie, & Weber

Dear S. Fisher, The St. Louis Public LIbrary as some censuses and soundexex. Go to following website and click on item 5 to see what is available. To request a copy, go back and click on "Reference Desk" under item 13. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm Georgia Robert Fisher wrote: > Could someone please look up George and Ollie King in the 1910 St. > Louis, MO census. There might be children Ruby and Olive. > Thanks so much, > S. Fisher > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

Thank you to everyone who replied with directions. It was very helpful. Pat

Could someone on the list, from St. Louis, please email me privately? I would like some directions for getting around in St. Louis. (Plaza Frontenac then to airport) I know how to get to County Library and I know how to get to Airport when I come in From Columbia MO area. But I usually go to one or the other. This time, I want to go to both places and would like to know the easiest way. I usually jump off of I 70 and take 40 to Chesterfield mall and Clayton area. I don't think I have been to Plaza F. I am looking at Map Quest and I can get to PF ok. So if I get to Plaza, what is the best way to get from Plaza F. to the airport. Or just go back the way I came in? Also is there any major construction, ( I know St.Louis always has construction) ? Thanks Pat

I also use google as my main search engine. When I search, I just type my info in quotations, especially when looking for names. Example: "Gina Hill" . Searching this way will only find the web pages with those names together, in that order, instead of giving me every website with Gina and every website with Hill. You can also add related words outside the quotations that may be related to what you are searching. Ex: "Gina Hill" genealogy . I think I learned this from one of these mail lists and I find it very valuable when searching. Just thought I would share. Gina -----Original Message----- From: rbozzay [mailto:rbozzay@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 6:57 AM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Steamboat information This is how I find specific web sites and get to relevant sites pretty quickly: 1. I use google (but other search programs are good too) 2. I use the advanced search mode 3. In the field "Exact phrase" I entered B & O RR to find the link for the RR. 4. Searching for Steamboat Captains, I put Steamboat in Exact phrase and Captain in "with all of the words: I got 57,400 hits...so I need to add some search criteria...I will go back to my advanced search screen and under "with at least one of the words" directory, list, roster I found a book called Way's Packet Directory 1848-1994: Passenger Steamboats of the Mississippi River System Since the Advent of Photography in Mid-Continent America written by Frederick Way Jr (compiler). It is touted by the site selling it as the bible of steamboat history. You may want to see if the library has it and if it has what you want. Here is a link to a bookstore site selling lots of books about steamboats. http://www.steamboats.com/bookssteam.html I am not endorsing any of these nor selling them...but you might find something on the list that sounds interesting and perhaps your library has it. Then if you really like it, you can buy it! Or put it on your holiday wish list! http://www.steamboats.com/map.html this is a link to more information on the site that is not selling anything. Maybe something here will be of help. I included how I find these things so folks on the list who have never done an advanced search can see how I do them to come up with some of the stuff I do. Happy searching! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "janicehartman" <janhartman@cox.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Steamboat information > Since there is a web site for the railroad, is there one for the steamboats in St. Louis that would give Captain names and their boats? > Thanks, > Janice in Arizona > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have > a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

Hi, I was told about another advanced search technique when using google. Do your initial search, then scroll to the bottom of the results page and click on "search within these results". You can narrow down the results quickly and easily. I'm not sure if other search engines have this feature. Karen

This is how I find specific web sites and get to relevant sites pretty quickly: 1. I use google (but other search programs are good too) 2. I use the advanced search mode 3. In the field "Exact phrase" I entered B & O RR to find the link for the RR. 4. Searching for Steamboat Captains, I put Steamboat in Exact phrase and Captain in "with all of the words: I got 57,400 hits...so I need to add some search criteria...I will go back to my advanced search screen and under "with at least one of the words" directory, list, roster I found a book called Way's Packet Directory 1848-1994: Passenger Steamboats of the Mississippi River System Since the Advent of Photography in Mid-Continent America written by Frederick Way Jr (compiler). It is touted by the site selling it as the bible of steamboat history. You may want to see if the library has it and if it has what you want. Here is a link to a bookstore site selling lots of books about steamboats. http://www.steamboats.com/bookssteam.html I am not endorsing any of these nor selling them...but you might find something on the list that sounds interesting and perhaps your library has it. Then if you really like it, you can buy it! Or put it on your holiday wish list! http://www.steamboats.com/map.html this is a link to more information on the site that is not selling anything. Maybe something here will be of help. I included how I find these things so folks on the list who have never done an advanced search can see how I do them to come up with some of the stuff I do. Happy searching! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "janicehartman" <janhartman@cox.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:27 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Steamboat information > Since there is a web site for the railroad, is there one for the steamboats in St. Louis that would give Captain names and their boats? > Thanks, > Janice in Arizona > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >

http://www.borail.org/ their official web site. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nannette" <nannette_478@yahoo.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] B&O RR? > Hi List, > I have some info on a grt uncle whose employment as a west pass ticket agent, listed B&O R.R. Does anyone have any knowledge of this line? It relates prior to 1930's I think. > Thanks,Nannette > > > > Nannette > > Reasearching Surnames: WARFIELD Mitchell McConnell HEUGELE Rowbotham STIENECKE Summerman VanGels Berger COLLINS DUNNAVANT PARRISH . States: Md,Mo.,WV.,Wi. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > >

Since there is a web site for the railroad, is there one for the steamboats in St. Louis that would give Captain names and their boats? Thanks, Janice in Arizona

Latresse Latour Lefebvre (early 1800's) Pat

Hi List, I have some info on a grt uncle whose employment as a west pass ticket agent, listed B&O R.R. Does anyone have any knowledge of this line? It relates prior to 1930's I think. Thanks,Nannette Nannette Reasearching Surnames: WARFIELD Mitchell McConnell HEUGELE Rowbotham STIENECKE Summerman VanGels Berger COLLINS DUNNAVANT PARRISH . States: Md,Mo.,WV.,Wi. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

This one's easy. No Fs and no Ls. McArthur, John F. Born May 1864 Birthplace IN Occupation Works In Glass House (This agrees with his occupation as shown in the City Directories) Marital Status S <Single> Race W <White> Head of Household Mary J. JACKSON , Relation Son Father's Birthplace SCOT Mother's Birthplace IN He had a brother, Jessie and two daughters and two sons. Dau. Grace McArthur Reid still lived in St. Louis in 1974. UDE - any and all descendants of 'Friedrich' Ude born in Germany in 1800, died in St. Louis in 1882. George Ude geoude@charter .net

FRANK, Catherine 1846-1907 married BRINKMANN, Frederick FRAZIER, Wm Gilbert 1898-1969 married MERTENS, Annie FRAZIER, Marjorie 1924 - living married HEBBERGER, Arthur FUERST, Elizabeth 1835-1917 married NEUDECKER, Charles 1831- b/4 1880 LUTZ, Carl Heinrich 1826-1871 married BOECHER, Elizabeth 1831-1917 LUTZ, Conrad Chas 1852 married LINDHORST, Sophia LUTZ, Charles F. 1854 married ECKERT, Selma LUTZ, Christian 1857 married Emma ? LUTZ, Emma 1862 married WITHOFF, August LUTZ, Marie 1865 married SCHNELL, Charles LUTZ, Annie 1869 married MERTENS, George MERTENS, George 1864-1953 married LUTZ, Annie MEIER, John 1859-1918 married NEUDECKER, Theresa 1869-1918 MEIER, Carrie 1887 - aft/1930 married STARCK, David 1887 - ? MEIER, John 1890 - ? married Elise B. ? MEIER, Lucille 1903 - ?

Listers: Please direct personal messages of thanks, etc. to the individual and not the whole list. Thnaks! Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ

Hi Laura: My information is a bit older - 1854 and I'm not sure what influence the war would have had on the railroads. Certainly, there were no arrivals coming from New Orleans in 1862. The following is from my notes on my g-grand Mathias who came from Germany via Le Havre, France in 1854 to NYC to StL. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- "With this emigration in the 1850s, fully two-thirds of the Germans arriving in the Missouri metropolis had come by way of New Orleans. Mathias’ New York port was a distant second. Of the Germans landing in New Orleans from 1847-1860, nearly three times as many continued on to St. Louis as headed up the Ohio River. The majority of immigrants destined for both urban and rural parts of Missouri and Ohio had previously been engaged in agriculture. It is reasonable to believe that Matthias left New York by train to Philadelphia - then again by train to Harrisburg, Lewistown and on to Pittsburgh - took a river barge or steamboat down the Ohio River to Wheeling, Cincinnati, then to the Mississippi - then a riverboat upstream to St. Louis. This was a fairly established route, especially if he stopped in Cincinnati to see his maternal relatives and his brother, J. Franz (although J. Franz may have already been in St. Louis). Another route was New York to Philadelphia to Baltimore by train. The National Highway (also known as National Freeway) to Cumberland, Md. and then to the Ohio River at Wheeling where a barge or steamboat would take him to Cincinnati and onwards. This same National Highway would eventually run from Baltimore to St. Louis and later be known as U.S. Highway 40. If he wasn’t to stop in Cincinnati, it was possible that Matthias came to St. Louis by another popular route. John F. Porter, General Agent, advertised daily in the 1854 New York Times for the, “Great Western Mail Route - Sixty Miles Distance Saved to Chicago and St. Louis.” This route was made up using many different railroads (Ed. there were many individually owned railroads at this time, most with different gauges of track -- some no longer than 30 miles in length -- as no “barons” owned large lines yet. This would be changed as a result of the Civil War when logistical needs for the timely transport of goods, men & equipment made it necessary for the use of one gauge of track.) “The Great Western Mail Route” advertised several options to St. Louis. For example, rail to Albany, then to Buffalo, N.Y. on Lake Eire - a steamer to Cleveland, rail to Toledo, Ohio, connecting with the Southern Michigan and Indiana Railroad to Chicago. Then board the Rock Island Line to La Salle, Illinois, “and there connect with Illinois River line of steamboats, or express trains of the Illinois Central…making the cheapest and most direct route to St. Louis…” He would have then crossed the Mississippi by ferry.(Ed. - and we complain if there isn’t a direct flight!)" ' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- You might simply look at the NY Times editions printed at the time your ancestor arrived. This will also give you the climate he experienced when he first arrived at Castle Garden (the 1855 precursor to Ellis Island). Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edgar, Laura" <laura30@cox.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] NEW YORK TO ST LOUIS 1862 MODE OF TRANSPORTATION > Hello, > > I would like to find out what mode of transportation a family would have used in the year 1862. Family arrived in New York in November of 1862 then moved to St. Louis Mo. Whatever transportation was used, any ideas on how long it would have taken from New York to the Midwest? > > Thanks > Laura - California > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Climbing my family tree was fun until the nuts appeared. >

Hi List: The one thing I know and am sure of is how much our list administrator, Laura, worries about all of us having fun on the list and how much information we gather. THIS Roll CALL BROUGHT ME A GEM OF UNEQUALED BRILLIANCE TODAY. I received the following from a lovely young lady in Kansas: Hi Jim - do you have Katie Byron in your family? She was my grandmother's best friend -- born around 1875 - lived around 415 S. 14th st. in St. Louis - my grandmother's childhood home. I have her picture and what I think is her mother's picture. My reply was: So far my Byrne's are a mystery to me. My great grandmother was Sinie or Sinia Byrne. She had eleven siblings who were all born in Tennessee. Sinie Byrne married George W. McQuillen in 1885 in St Louis. Sinie's father was Robert C. Byrne who was born in SC. Her mother was born in Texas. Her father was shot in the hand during the civil war at the battle for Murfreesboro in 1862. What I can't figure out is how her father got to Texas to find his wife and how Sinie got to St Louis to marry George W. McQuillen. I know there were more Byrne's in St Louis because some of the brothers became policemen and changed the name to Burns. Frank Burns was a rather well known cop in St Louis and gives me the impression, not very well liked. Yes indeed I have a "Katie Myrum Byrne" on the tree. She is Sinnie Byrne's sister. Here is what I have on her: Katie born about 1872 in, Lott, Falls, Texas. There were twelve children born to Robert Carlisle Byrne and Sarah Frances Carter Byrne. They married about 1861. Robert Carlisle born: 28 April 1836, died 9 Mar 1912 Sarah Frances born: 16 Dec 1844, died: 11 Dec 1909 I didn't realize I had this much information on the Byrne's. I even have more. I have a picture of Robert and Sarah and would be able to tell if your picture was of my great-great grandmother. She had round cheeks.----Jim Some of the mystery has been solved. I now know that there were more Byrne's in St Louis. I lived about four blocks south of 415 S Fourteenth St just on the other side of the above address and passed it many times and didn't even have a clue that my McQuillens and Byrne's lived there. I walked in my great grandparents foot steps and was totally unknowing. Long live our beautiful List Administrator, Laura B.----Jim

Interesting that I landed on this list with Laura whose Margaret FITZGERALD married my John CURRY in St. Louis in 1874 at St. Malachy's. (We corresponded a few years ago). John died early, 1877, and is buried at Calvary, along with we believe an infant son John (an epidemic? accident? There the trail grows cold again. Did Margaret remarry? What happened to another son James Curry, born 1875? Is he the James Curry who married Josephine BECKMAN in 1902? Two members of this would like to know. Joyce Curry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

FREY, John born 1823 died 1885 in St. Louis was in 1850 MO census with wife Elizabeth and 2 sons Samuel John and Jacob all from Switzerland. Before 1880 Elizabeth died. No other information on her. Additional children were Johanna Sophia , Elizabeth married to Christian LEDERMAN/LEDERMANN, Bertha all born MO. Also a John Jr. possibly from a second marriage to Catharine WIDNER. Early burials were in Bethany Cemetery. Samuel John married an Anna GROB. St. Louis 1875. This is my connection thru a son Frank Jacob FREY. LEDERMANN, had a child Elizabetha who was my mother's Godmother. No other information on this line. MEISNER, Katherina married to Henry GROB. They had Anna that married FREY. She appears in 1850 Census with Henry. Have no other information on her. Not sure where they were married or if MEISNER is her nee name or a previous marriage. MUEHLBERG, This family from Germany arrived in St. Louis c. 1882/3. Believe father was Frederick and mother Wilhelmina. I have various first names for all the children, some of which are Alvin, Edmund, Felix, Emil Moritz, F W Richard. My husband is decended from Emil Moritz born ca. 1862. All of the above were born in Germany, but where? Audrey ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:02 AM Subject: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #391

Johann Wolfgang LINHARDT arrived in St. Louis about 1848 from Benk, Oberfranken, Bavaria where he was born on 23 December 1823. He and his wife Margarethe OTTO, also from Bavaria, had their first child on 15 October 1849. His Declaration of Intent was signed on 29 October 1849. He and his wife are buried at Friedens Cemetery. He helped to build the Friedens Evangelical Church. Although he was trained in cabinet making, and I have one of his tables, he became a builder of homes in St. Louis. According to my grandmother, his daughter, he took pride in making doorways big enough for a coffin to go through without being tilted. I have not been able to find their marriage record, nor the burial place of his father who also came to America. LaVerne

Researching MADISON, MENKE family: Madison, William Matt (1852-1926) married Clara Washburn (1853-1935 De Soto, MO) son: Leroy Robert (1896-1968) married Dorothy Agnes MENKE (both buried in Jeff Bks...He was in WWI) family mystery: "Roy" Madison seemed to be estranged from his family... Did he have siblings? Family records say he was born in Kirkwood... Menke, Henry Louis bd 6 Jul 1840 Germany...died ? married Louise Laseh , Henry's son: Louis Andrew 17 Sept 1867-12 Apr 1938 Louis Andrew's daughter: Dorothy Agnes 17 Jan 1896-01 Sep 1978 additional Menke names, siblings to Dorothy Agnes: Louise (1893-1973) married Wootan Mildred (1897-?) married Janas (spelling?) John Andrew (1902-?) Camden Joseph (1904-1958) Louis Andrew Jr. (1911-1981 buried in Jeff Bks; married Greathouse thank you for any links you may know... Linda