Any idea what someone who "Works on Leaves" does? this was in NY in 1880. I am at a loss on this one. Laura

Lea, See, I grew up at the Lake of the Ozarks, so I was CLUELESS when it came to BIG CITY street names. We just never had street names at the Lake. Everything was State Road this and Lake Road that. LOL! I thought I was so-o-o-o-o educated when I came up here and said "Grav-wah" for the first time, and my husband's friends all thought I was joking around. Thank goodness for that, because we still associate with those people. I also said "Dog-er-tee Ferry Road" once and they just laughed and laughed. As we all know, it's "DO-er-tee Ferry"! Lisa Farrand Kemp "Tempora mutantur nos et mutamur in illis" ----- Original Message ----- From: <MomRip@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: Gravois Pronunciation > I grew up in Afton, and never, ever heard Gravois pronounced Grav wah. I > heard many people slaughter it by saying Gravoizzz, but I always thought the > correct pronunciation to be Gravoi > as with the s being silent and the voi sounding as voy. > Lea in KCMO > Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder and many more

Georgia: I'd guess that "Me Ineptum" means "I'm an idiot/fool/inept" [L. ineptum - to play the fool, to trifle] It's been a long time since Latin class but I'd say that this is just jibberish. Where did you see this? Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Granny's genealogy > Dear Lisa, > > I want to give the poem to the woman who does our genealogy society's newsletter. Is there an author who should be mentioned? > > Is this Latin? "VAH! Denuoune Larine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur!" > > Georgia > > > > Bill and Lisa Kemp wrote: > > > A nice little poem for ALL of us for Christmas. For some reason I thought of Jim505 when > > I read the 4th stanza... > > > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > > "VAH! Denuoune Larine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur!" > > > > > > They think that I should cook and clean, > > and be a model wife. > > I tell them it's more interesting > > to study Grandpa's life. > > > > They simply do not understand > > why I hate to go to bed . . . > > I'd rather do two hundred years > > of research work instead. > > > > Why waste the time we have on earth > > just snoring and asleep? > > When we can learn of ancestors > > that sailed upon the deep? > > > > We have Priests, Rabbis, lawmen, soldiers, > > more than just a few. > > And yes, there's many scoundrels, > > and a bootlegger or two. > > > > How can a person find this life > > an awful drudge or bore? > > When we can live the lives of all > > those folks who came before? > > > > A hundred years from now of course, > > no one will ever know > > Whether I did laundry, > > but they'll see our Tree and glow . . . > > > > 'Cause their dear old granny left for them, > > for all posterity, > > not clean hankies and the like, > > but a finished family tree. > > > > My home may be untidy, > > 'cause I've better things to do . . . > > I'm checking all the records > > to provide us with a clue. > > > > Old great granny's pulling roots > > and branches out with glee, > > Her clothes ain't hanging out to dry, > > she's hung up on the Tree. > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. >

Dear Contributors, Thanks for all the information on the pronunciation of street names. I think the next time I visit St. Louis, I will just get the map and point-can't make a mistake that way. I am going to unsubscribe for the holiday period so don't write about anything interesting. Maybe it would be a good time for everyone to get off the internet and get their genealogy files in order. Ho-Ho-Ho! Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year. Georgia

Same here. I could add nuns to the list. And a distant relative sent a wonderful website about a relative of my hubby who was a moonshiner in Franklin County, Missouri. Is that close enough to a bootlegger to count? Margie -----Original Message----- From: Jims505@aol.com [mailto:Jims505@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:08 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] Stanza Four We have Priests, Rabbis, lawmen, soldiers, more than just a few. And yes, there's many scoundrels, and a bootlegger or two. --------------------------------------------------------- The funny thing is that I only lack a Rabbi, but cheer up, my research continues, I'll find him if he's there (I hope.).----Jim ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

That poem is so cute!!! Here are some thoughts on genealogy that my daughter sent me: THOUGHTS ON GENEALOGY *Genealogy: tracing yourself back to better people *I trace my family history so I will know who to blame *Can a first cousin, once removed, return?? *Searching for a lost relative? win the lottery *Do I even want ancestors?? *Every family tree has some sap in it *Friends come and go, but relatives tend to accumulate *Heredity: everyone belileves in it until their children act like fools *I think my family tree is a few branches short of a full bloom.... Love and blessings to all in this holiday season! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

In a message dated 12/18/2003 6:13:46 PM Central Standard Time, georgia@corpsie.com writes: > Okay, I'll bite.  How do you pronounce Gravois? > I grew up in Afton, and never, ever heard Gravois pronounced Grav wah.  I heard many people slaughter it by saying Gravoizzz, but I always thought the correct pronunciation to be Gravoi as with the s being silent  and the voi sounding as voy. Lea in KCMO Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder and many more

We have Priests, Rabbis, lawmen, soldiers, more than just a few. And yes, there's many scoundrels, and a bootlegger or two. --------------------------------------------------------- The funny thing is that I only lack a Rabbi, but cheer up, my research continues, I'll find him if he's there (I hope.).----Jim

Dear Lisa, I want to give the poem to the woman who does our genealogy society's newsletter. Is there an author who should be mentioned? Is this Latin? "VAH! Denuoune Larine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur!" Georgia Bill and Lisa Kemp wrote: > A nice little poem for ALL of us for Christmas. For some reason I thought of Jim505 when > I read the 4th stanza... > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > "VAH! Denuoune Larine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur!" > > > They think that I should cook and clean, > and be a model wife. > I tell them it's more interesting > to study Grandpa's life. > > They simply do not understand > why I hate to go to bed . . . > I'd rather do two hundred years > of research work instead. > > Why waste the time we have on earth > just snoring and asleep? > When we can learn of ancestors > that sailed upon the deep? > > We have Priests, Rabbis, lawmen, soldiers, > more than just a few. > And yes, there's many scoundrels, > and a bootlegger or two. > > How can a person find this life > an awful drudge or bore? > When we can live the lives of all > those folks who came before? > > A hundred years from now of course, > no one will ever know > Whether I did laundry, > but they'll see our Tree and glow . . . > > 'Cause their dear old granny left for them, > for all posterity, > not clean hankies and the like, > but a finished family tree. > > My home may be untidy, > 'cause I've better things to do . . . > I'm checking all the records > to provide us with a clue. > > Old great granny's pulling roots > and branches out with glee, > Her clothes ain't hanging out to dry, > she's hung up on the Tree. > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO

With the coming of the New Year I thought it might be a good time to remind everyone of some of the list guidelines and rules of RootsWeb itself. If you haven't read the "Acceptable Use Policy" please do so...it is located at http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html This covers legal terms, non-use of certain types of words, and non-posting of copyrighted materials. Also, to facilitate research we should all try to post surnames in all capital letters (I forget to do this too, so if you catch me please feel free to remind me on this topic as well!) Just a reminder that listings should relate to genealogy for the St. Louis Metro area. Historical content should still relate to genealogy. I hope everyone has a wonderful and safe Holiday Season. May you find lots of relatives and help each other with all those brick walls! Laura

A nice little poem for ALL of us for Christmas. For some reason I thought of Jim505 when I read the 4th stanza... Lisa Farrand Kemp "VAH! Denuoune Larine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur!" They think that I should cook and clean, and be a model wife. I tell them it's more interesting to study Grandpa's life. They simply do not understand why I hate to go to bed . . . I'd rather do two hundred years of research work instead. Why waste the time we have on earth just snoring and asleep? When we can learn of ancestors that sailed upon the deep? We have Priests, Rabbis, lawmen, soldiers, more than just a few. And yes, there's many scoundrels, and a bootlegger or two. How can a person find this life an awful drudge or bore? When we can live the lives of all those folks who came before? A hundred years from now of course, no one will ever know Whether I did laundry, but they'll see our Tree and glow . . . 'Cause their dear old granny left for them, for all posterity, not clean hankies and the like, but a finished family tree. My home may be untidy, 'cause I've better things to do . . . I'm checking all the records to provide us with a clue. Old great granny's pulling roots and branches out with glee, Her clothes ain't hanging out to dry, she's hung up on the Tree.

I just realized I only sent this to Georgia. I meant it for everyone... Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Lisa Kemp" <wjkljk.kemp@att.net> To: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] How Do You Pronounce > > Georgia, > > This just came in from my Creole friend in Washington state (don't ask). > ********************************************************** > Oh wait, now I see maybe I was supposed to answer the BOTTOM question about > Tchoupitoulas? So sorry, I got so engrossed with the Gratiot Street! > Geesh! Ok I am confused cause I don't know what the person on the bottom > means by "it's own Marti Gras" - first it's Mardi Gras and no one has their > own Mardi Gras, it's a New Orleans holiday where many of the Mardi Gras > organizations participate in. I DO think Tchoupitoulas is a Native American > Indian group that settled in New Orleans and there is a group that I think > parades on Mardi Gras. GMack <Lisa's note: Claire's sister> might be more > up on this Nawlins Mardi Gras stuff than me so you might want to pique her > brain (you do know how to pronounce PIQUE too right??!) hahahahhahahahha > There was I help or hindrance?? > > ho hoh hohohohohhoho > > Me > > ************************************************************* > > So, I shall write to Garmanne and ask her, if you're still interested. > > > > Lisa > > > >

Yup, I always warshed my hands in the zink, too. Took me forever to get the 'r' out of warsh. hehehe Diane T. (another SouSt. Louisan) DINETTEGUY@aol.com wrote: My grandmother used to say "Go warsh you hands in the zink." She also said arl for oil! I was born in South St. Louis and it has been pointed out to me that we say SouSt.Louis as all one word. Diane H. ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing

I have had some success about riverboats at the Potts Collection at the Mercantile Library now in the Thomas Jefferson Library at UMSL. I found a photo and description of the Isaac Newton, the boat on which my ancestor moved to St. Louis from Pittsburgh in 1851. Boats were short-lived; shallow-draft, they were not strong, but the snags were quite resistant. Boat names were re-used. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: [StLouis-MO] Globe Democrat 20 Feb 1876 > Hi Allen: > > No, I don't have knowledge of any resources in StL but there do seem to be > quite a few requests for this info. I seem to remember that the New Orleans > list has some info of this type - but please don't hold me to it! Good > hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Yoder" <allenyoder@w-link.net> > To: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> > Cc: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [StLouis-MO] Globe Democrat 20 Feb 1876 > > > > Gary, > > > > Thanks for sharing this insight on the changing economy of St. Louis > > in 1874. > > > > I have several connections to Riverboat traffic who lived in St. > > Louis. Three were ship Captains. Is there a resource available? Such > > as pictures of ships, ship's logs or a list of Captains for the St. > > Louis area? I'm here in Seattle and don't get in town very often to > > look at newspaper archives. The three Captains were, Thomas M. Fithian, > > George Barnard and James Barnard. > > > > Thanks, > > Allen L. Yoder > > Seattle, Wa. > > > > Gary Stoltman wrote: > > > > >Lists: > > > > > >As I remember, the Eads bridge opened up a new commercial era for St. > Louis in 1874. The city had relied upon the river trade and although very > successful, had missed the chance to connect to the East > > >by not building a bridge. There were also charges of business & political > collusion in denying St. Louis a bridge, some by St. Louisans heavily > invested in the river economy, that served Chicago's interests. > > > > > >Of course, Mississippi, Illinois & Missouri River traffic would keep up > for many years afterwards but most eventually fell to the economy of the > railroads. As was said by a businessman from Chicago (St. Louis' chief > economic rival), "Rivers run where nature pleases, but railroads run where > man plans". > > > > > >Over the years, there has been some interest in the river traffic on the > lists and the Captains/Masters. Thought these may give an incite to the > commerce of the day.The following are some announcements made on that cold > February 20th, 1876: > > > > > >LOWER MISSISSIPPI > > > > > >Carroll Line Passenger Steamer "John A. Scudder" leaving for N.O > Sunday, the 20th (for the Mardi Gras) A.J. Carter - > Master (Captain), C.H. Dix - Clerk > > > > > >Merchant's Southern Packet Co.. Steamer "James Howard" - Memphis & > N.O. - B.R. Pegram, Captain, J.H. Chassaing, > Clerk.Foot of Walnut St. > > > > > >Carroll Line Steamer "Glencoe" Freight & Passage, John T. McCord, > Master. Foot of Market & Chestnut > > > > > >Mississippi Valley Transportation Co. Steamer "Future City" and barges. > For freight contracts apply at wharfboat at foot of Elm > St. (no longer exists) Offers greatly reduced rates to Texas, > Alabama & Georgia. George H. Rea, Pres., W.F. Haines, Freight Agent, H.C. > Haarstick, V.P. > > > > > >Memphis & St. Louis Packet Co. Steamer "Emma C. Elliot" For St. Mary's, > Ste, Genevieve, Chester, & Grand Tower (Memphis?) I. > Lightner, Master, W.B. Russel, Gen'l Freight Agent > > > > > >Memphis " " " U.S. Mail Line For Cairo, Columbus & Memphis (?) > Ziegler, Master, To Anchor Line (connects with ?) > (There were two Mail ships, one the 23rd & the other 28th) > > > > > >UPPER MISSISSIPPI > > > > > >Under "The Rivers," it reported that, "the upper Mississippi is falling > fast". Assume this was a major problem before the lock system. > > > > > >Keokuk Northern Line Packet Co. Steamer "Bayard For Hannibal, Quincy, > Keokuk & Burlington - (?) Kinnear, Master, wharf at > Vine & Locust > > > > > >MISSOURI RIVER > > > > > >Missouri River Packet Co. - Star Line Steamer Belle St. Louis" > Cartwright, Master For Jefferson City, Rocheport, > Boonville, Arrow Rock, Glasgow, Cambridge & Frankfort - Regular weekly trip > > > > > >Missouri " " " Steamer "Fannie Lewis" Keith, Master - > same destinations as above > > > > > >ILLINOIS RIVER > > > > > >General Agent R.F. Sass - Steamer "Mary Boyd" to Peoria connecting to > Toledo, Peoria & Warsaw Railroad delivering freight > at Illinois Central depot at the foot of Lake St. (Chicago, I > assume. I would imagine that agent Sass' route to Chicago wouldn't have > lasted too many more years after the proper > connections were made through Eads & East St. Louis) > > >St. Louis & Illinois Packet Co. Steamer "Lady Lee" Samuel Rider, > Master, (numerous stops - it stopped at Rock > Island to offload freight to the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific R.R. and > continued to Chicago) First class fare to Chicago $7. Apply at company's > wharfboat at foot of Spruce St. > > > > > >Regular Napes Packet Light Draught Steamer "Fannie Keener" - Abrams, > Master Grafton, Hardin, Montezuma, Florence, > Griggsville, Perry, Naples & all way landings (?) > > > > > >Gary Stoltman > > >Mercerville, NJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== StLouis-MO Mailing List ==== > > >Visit the St. Louis website http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostloui > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >

My grandmother used to say "Go warsh you hands in the zink." She also said arl for oil! I was born in South St. Louis and it has been pointed out to me that we say SouSt.Louis as all one word. Diane H.

Hi Allen: No, I don't have knowledge of any resources in StL but there do seem to be quite a few requests for this info. I seem to remember that the New Orleans list has some info of this type - but please don't hold me to it! Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Yoder" <allenyoder@w-link.net> To: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> Cc: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [StLouis-MO] Globe Democrat 20 Feb 1876 > Gary, > > Thanks for sharing this insight on the changing economy of St. Louis > in 1874. > > I have several connections to Riverboat traffic who lived in St. > Louis. Three were ship Captains. Is there a resource available? Such > as pictures of ships, ship's logs or a list of Captains for the St. > Louis area? I'm here in Seattle and don't get in town very often to > look at newspaper archives. The three Captains were, Thomas M. Fithian, > George Barnard and James Barnard. > > Thanks, > Allen L. Yoder > Seattle, Wa. > > Gary Stoltman wrote: > > >Lists: > > > >As I remember, the Eads bridge opened up a new commercial era for St. Louis in 1874. The city had relied upon the river trade and although very successful, had missed the chance to connect to the East > >by not building a bridge. There were also charges of business & political collusion in denying St. Louis a bridge, some by St. Louisans heavily invested in the river economy, that served Chicago's interests. > > > >Of course, Mississippi, Illinois & Missouri River traffic would keep up for many years afterwards but most eventually fell to the economy of the railroads. As was said by a businessman from Chicago (St. Louis' chief economic rival), "Rivers run where nature pleases, but railroads run where man plans". > > > >Over the years, there has been some interest in the river traffic on the lists and the Captains/Masters. Thought these may give an incite to the commerce of the day.The following are some announcements made on that cold February 20th, 1876: > > > >LOWER MISSISSIPPI > > > >Carroll Line Passenger Steamer "John A. Scudder" leaving for N.O Sunday, the 20th (for the Mardi Gras) A.J. Carter - Master (Captain), C.H. Dix - Clerk > > > >Merchant's Southern Packet Co.. Steamer "James Howard" - Memphis & N.O. - B.R. Pegram, Captain, J.H. Chassaing, Clerk.Foot of Walnut St. > > > >Carroll Line Steamer "Glencoe" Freight & Passage, John T. McCord, Master. Foot of Market & Chestnut > > > >Mississippi Valley Transportation Co. Steamer "Future City" and barges. For freight contracts apply at wharfboat at foot of Elm St. (no longer exists) Offers greatly reduced rates to Texas, Alabama & Georgia. George H. Rea, Pres., W.F. Haines, Freight Agent, H.C. Haarstick, V.P. > > > >Memphis & St. Louis Packet Co. Steamer "Emma C. Elliot" For St. Mary's, Ste, Genevieve, Chester, & Grand Tower (Memphis?) I. Lightner, Master, W.B. Russel, Gen'l Freight Agent > > > >Memphis " " " U.S. Mail Line For Cairo, Columbus & Memphis (?) Ziegler, Master, To Anchor Line (connects with ?) (There were two Mail ships, one the 23rd & the other 28th) > > > >UPPER MISSISSIPPI > > > >Under "The Rivers," it reported that, "the upper Mississippi is falling fast". Assume this was a major problem before the lock system. > > > >Keokuk Northern Line Packet Co. Steamer "Bayard For Hannibal, Quincy, Keokuk & Burlington - (?) Kinnear, Master, wharf at Vine & Locust > > > >MISSOURI RIVER > > > >Missouri River Packet Co. - Star Line Steamer Belle St. Louis" Cartwright, Master For Jefferson City, Rocheport, Boonville, Arrow Rock, Glasgow, Cambridge & Frankfort - Regular weekly trip > > > >Missouri " " " Steamer "Fannie Lewis" Keith, Master - same destinations as above > > > >ILLINOIS RIVER > > > >General Agent R.F. Sass - Steamer "Mary Boyd" to Peoria connecting to Toledo, Peoria & Warsaw Railroad delivering freight at Illinois Central depot at the foot of Lake St. (Chicago, I assume. I would imagine that agent Sass' route to Chicago wouldn't have lasted too many more years after the proper connections were made through Eads & East St. Louis) > >St. Louis & Illinois Packet Co. Steamer "Lady Lee" Samuel Rider, Master, (numerous stops - it stopped at Rock Island to offload freight to the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific R.R. and continued to Chicago) First class fare to Chicago $7. Apply at company's wharfboat at foot of Spruce St. > > > >Regular Napes Packet Light Draught Steamer "Fannie Keener" - Abrams, Master Grafton, Hardin, Montezuma, Florence, Griggsville, Perry, Naples & all way landings (?) > > > >Gary Stoltman > >Mercerville, NJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== StLouis-MO Mailing List ==== > >Visit the St. Louis website http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostloui > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I thought I would ask some of my Canadien Friends from the Quebec List about how they pronounced Gratiot, the following is what I received: >From Gary: I've seen this pronounced 2 ways... GRA-TEE-OH and GRA-TSEE-OH This is because "Canadiens" tend to add an "s" sound when saying many words that have a "ti" such as "petit" PUH-TSEE, "poutine" POO-TSINN... Also... When pronouncing GRATIOT there's a slight hesitation after the GRA and the TEE-OH or TSEE-OH is slurred together as if one syllable. In French, a general rule of thumb is, if the word ends in a consonant the consonant is silent. Now, if you've ever studied French, you'd know that there's ALWAYS exceptions to every rule. <grin >From MaryAnn: Pat, it would be 'gra' kind of guttural in the back of your throat. as if you were going to say 'growl' then 'ti' pronounced like the word 'tea' and then 'o' - the 't' at the end of 'gratiot' is silent. Joyeux Noel les cousins! Bon reveillon! Happy Christmas to all and many thanks for all of the great information on this site all year. Maryann Pat

Don't forget TERlit...oh, and the Cleveland Inyins. Lisa -------------------------------------------------------- Bravo, I forgot about those.----Jim

Don't forget TERlit...oh, and the Cleveland Inyins. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jims505@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Gravois > Gravois, pronounced--"Gra-Voys." Small "a."----Jim > > More: > Soda=Sody > Sink=Zinc > Forty=Farty > Just=Jist > Them=Dem > These-Dese > Those=Doze > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm >

>From Gloria comes this site. The author sounds very authoritative on the pronunciation of GRATIOT. http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/Gratiot/gratiotfaq.htm How is Gratiot pronounced? grass-shut Where does the name come from? The prison was at the corner of 8th and Gratiot Streets in St. Louis. Does anything remain on the site? No. The location is now the headquarters of Ralston-Purina and has been for over a century. The original Gratiot building was demolished in 1878. As near as I could determine, the actual prison site is now a parking lot. --------------------------------------------------------- This is one of the best sites on the net about old time St Louis I've run across. It is fun to go surfing here and extremely informative. I highly recommend this site.----Jim PS Can't be sure about their pronunciation though.