RAYMOND SPENCER. Looking for information about Raymond Spencer who was in the Army stationed in England in May of 1944 near or at Cheddas. He went to France June 6th with the D Day landings. He returned to Somerset, England in June of 1945 before he returned to the US. Looking for Mr. Raymond, his family or Orbit. Can any one help?Believe he lived at Holt, Mo or Holt county not sure which before WWII. His daughter is looking for him. His family may not know of her existence but she would like to know what he was like and what happened to him. She only met him once when she was young. She waited until her mother died...to try and find him. I am afraid might be too late, to find him? I am involved because she wrote to my uncle because we have a Raymond Spencer in our family but he was not in the service. I do have a picture of him so if any one is interested or thinks they can find this family I will send it to you. If any one knows how to look up local orbit would be very appreciative. He would be about 80 now. I called all the Spencers I could by phone but not leads. I have been working on this for two years.. no one seems to know what happened to this man after the war or how to find the orbit for the one that died near Kansas City. Birthday may have been may 9, 1923 if so he would have passed away. Pat Murrell Mata pjmm@tcac.net

I would really like to hear about the "new fangled" recipe with potato soup and french fried onions. Almost everyone in my family is sick of the traditional one. It's late but I could still change my menu. Laura, I really enjoyed the cookie inventory, My mother used to make hermits and I was so happy to be reminded of them once again. Thanks Joan Schaller Yeckel

Cream of Tartar, Cornstarch and Baking Soda. The recipe is on the Cream of TarTar Jars now But it was something my Grandmother and my Great Aunt always did. It really makes the cookies puffier. I have just always done that. The recipe is: 1/2 tsp cream of tartar 1/4 tsp baking soda 1/4 tsp cornstarch You can do the math to make a bigger batch. This is the way our relatives used to cook before they had convenience foods! I have a cookbook from the 1880s that was my great-great grandmothers. I use it to make things even today. I must admit I do use Whipped Shortening instead of Lard that is called for in some of those recipes! But some of the standard breads...simple, and good! Laura who is now very tired of baking! ----- Original Message ----- From: Shamrock1020@aol.com To: rbozzay@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: Baking Powder Laura, And, how does one make baking powder? Mary

I agree.. I've always thought all Missourians pronounced it with the "a" on the end, and certainly ALL folks from St. Louis!! LOL In a message dated 12/23/2003 4:15:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Everyone I knew from St. Louis said "Miz-zor-rah", and it was standard > pronunciation back in the mid 60's and 70's, but maybe it has changed, due > to all the movement of people around the US. And I've been away from St. > Louis since 1961, and I still say it that way - thought that was the way you > recognized a "real" Missourian. >

rbozzay <rbozzay@earthlink.net> wrote:When I was little and "acting up" my Grandmother would say something like "Icht en lobe stinkt" I think it meant self-praise or too much focus on yourself stinks. Laura, My mom used to tell me that when I was little, too. And yes, it DOES mean self-praise. I love finding out that other folks used some of the same 'sayings'. I wonder, did your mother/grandmother.......or anyone else's parents on this list.......used to sing an old German song called <pardon the spelling> "Komme die Fogel, gay Fogel"? What surprises me is that, even though I can't remember what happened last week, I can still remember the words to that song, after more than 50 years. Diane T. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square

Better than getting taken away by the "amb a lance"

But I was born and raised in St. Louis too and always pronounced it Mizzouree....as do all my relatives...

<<send her for a bucket of beer>> Known as, "rushin' the growler." Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <SCraycraft@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Assimilation > "The extent to which ethnicity persisted beyond 1880 depended on the success > with which German culture could be transmitted to the third generation." > > Thanks, Gary. I think it's really true. My husband and his brothers and > sisters were mildly surprised when I learned their maternal grandmother's family > was Austrian and their paternal grandmother's family was German, via > Pennsylvania. One sister dug around and found a German missal, a confirmation gift in > the 1880s, and remembered that her mother said the old folks would send her for > a bucket of beer and speak German when they didn't want her to know something. > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm >

"The extent to which ethnicity persisted beyond 1880 depended on the success with which German culture could be transmitted to the third generation." Thanks, Gary. I think it's really true. My husband and his brothers and sisters were mildly surprised when I learned their maternal grandmother's family was Austrian and their paternal grandmother's family was German, via Pennsylvania. One sister dug around and found a German missal, a confirmation gift in the 1880s, and remembered that her mother said the old folks would send her for a bucket of beer and speak German when they didn't want her to know something.

When I was little and "acting up" my Grandmother would say something like "Icht en lobe stinkt" I think it meant self-praise or too much focus on yourself stinks. I don't speak German but that phrase has stayed with me! I probably really mangled it! Speaking of 3rd generations...I was third on one side and 5th on another.... Our Holiday traditions were: Baking and more baking and then as if you didn't have enough bake some more! Ham and or Turkey A green bean fermented concoction made with salt and something called "bone-ne-kraut" that we lovingly called "stink beans" because they were pungent but very good... Parsley potatoes Sliced Jellied Cranberry Sauce Mince meat pies Hermits (molasses cookies with fruits and nuts in them) Dark Pumpernickel and Rye Breads Spicy Mustard, BBQ sauces, Mayonnaise Salad with multiple dressings.... I am making all of that except the stink beans...I am doing the new fangled French fried onion with potato soup (not mushroom soup) and for my son who doesn't like that, green bean almondine... No mince meat...no one will eat it No hermits I made cream cheese cookies, sprinkle cookies, almond cookies, chocolate-chip cookies, chocolate with cherries and chocolate-chip cookies, homemade chocolate and white chocolate candies. (I cut down...I did not make snickerdoodles, hermits, pecan sandies, or those cookies that look like crescents and have nuts in them...something with horn in it....) My one grandmother was French and German mixed. She made Anise cookies...never could get the hang of those! She also made fruit jellied slices...that is one recipe I did not manage to find and wish I had it! My other grandmother was pure German. She and her sister would cook up a storm. I learned to bake sitting with the two of them. I even make my own baking powder to this day! No matter what your traditions, I wish everyone on the list a safe, healthy, happy Holiday Season, filled with love and laughter. If you can be with family that is even better! Love to you all! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <SCraycraft@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Assimilation > "The extent to which ethnicity persisted beyond 1880 depended on the success > with which German culture could be transmitted to the third generation." > > Thanks, Gary. I think it's really true. My husband and his brothers and > sisters were mildly surprised when I learned their maternal grandmother's family > was Austrian and their paternal grandmother's family was German, via > Pennsylvania. One sister dug around and found a German missal, a confirmation gift in > the 1880s, and remembered that her mother said the old folks would send her for > a bucket of beer and speak German when they didn't want her to know something. > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >

Since I posted the question, "How do you pronounce 'Gratiot?" we have had a lot of fun. Most of us agree that it is "Gra-shut," but not all agree. Then we couldn't quite get the hang of Missouri. But we all agree that Missouri is pronounced, "Miss-oo-ree or Mizz-oo-rah." Both pronunciations are perfectly acceptable because we all know where it is located. The Grinch will not be able to move it this year to, say the North pole. "Viva, La Missouri or Miss-oo-ree/Mizz-oo-rah." Our hills will not be moved.----Jim

After 17 years residence in this state, this tiff still intrigues me. Perhaps it takes an outsider's ears to hear this state's inhabitants use one or more of SIX pronounications. To wit, mah-ZUR-ee mah-ZUR-ah meh-zur-EE meh-zur-AH muh-ZOO-ree muh-ZOO-ah One of my state native friends assure me that the true inhabitants of this state can use two or more of these pronunications in the same sentence without contradicting themselves. Another friend claims to live in the city of des-PAIR in the state of MISery. Don't even get me started on the LAOW-der River (Loutre) or Ox-VAS Creek (Aux Vasse) that one crosses on I-70 bewteen St. Louis and Columbia. ---Bill "You can't know if 18-, 19-, or 20-year-olds ever believe what you're saying" --Tyrone Willingham Bill Olbrich 8723 Brigeport Ave St. Louis, MO 63144 (314) 961-3036 <billolbrich@yahoo.com>

My mom was born in St. Louis, but she was back in New Mexico before she turned two, so I guess she doesn't count. But my friend Ted was born and raised in St. Louis, and always pronounced the state "Miz-zooree," and the city Saint "Lewis." Merry Christmas, All! Cori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Lisa Kemp" <wjkljk.kemp@att.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Missouri > > I thought only Mizzou Football fans said "miz-zoooooo-RAHHHHHH", and really > loud, too. > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jims505@aol.com> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:11 PM > Subject: [StL-Metro] Missouri > > > > I was born and raised in St Louis and have always pronounced the State > name: > > > > Miz-zooree. > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm >

I, too, was born and raised in St. Louis. While I say Missoureee, my mother pronounced it Missourah. She was also born and raised in St. Louis, We mother hail from South St. Louis. Since she is now 85 and I am 49, maybe it depends on the age as well as the location. Diane H.

I also used to date a boy from Sedalia. He used to call our state Misery. Being the smarty-pants I am, I used to say he was from Sedalianated Misery. AND, at the time, I wasn't a Mizzou Football Fan, so there! Lisa Farrand Kemp "VAH! Denuoune Larine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur!"

LOLOL!! I wondered WHY I was called Helmet Head, and why my kids all have Helmet Heads. That's so we can say Missourah and people will just leave us alone and say "Ahh, isn't it sweet how those Helmet Heads can't even pronounce their state name? Shhhh, leave them alone, they might bight..." Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: Jims505@aol.com To: wjkljk.kemp@att.net Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Missouri According to Bill Houdek, the Mizzourah fans are OK and well cultured so long as they wear a football helmet. Its all us uncultured and unedoocated people who say Mizz-oo-ree. I think that's what he said.----Jim

Not all the natives mis-pronounce it. It has an "I" on the end. Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: Margie To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 7:21 AM Subject: RE: [StL-Metro] Another question on Pronounciations And how about the way the natives pronounce the name of the state-Missourah? Margie -----Original Message----- From: Roy4243@aol.com [mailto:Roy4243@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 2:41 AM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Another question on Pronounciations In a message dated 12/22/03 0:01:32, hammons@cr6.net writes: > For example: Ilah is sometimes 'Iler' and Diane is Dianer etc. Has anyone > else noticed this? I think people in England do this too in some areas. I > would like to know the whys and wherefores of this if any one knows? > Pat: You're right, but I don't know any "whys or wherefores". That's what they do in Massachusetts, the land of my birth. It took a lot of ribbing from my wife's side of the family to get me out of that nasty habit. We left the r out of some places and transposed it to some other improper places. A friend of mine was married to Martha, which he pronounced "Mahther". No rhyme nor reason to it -- just the way he did it. Maybe it came from England -- but, "why"??? Roy ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm

That was a terrific poem. I enjoyed it and I got all favorable comments from everyone I sent it to. Perfect timing during this holiday season to lighten the load and tension. Thanks Charlie

My Mom was born and raised in St. Louis and she pronounces it Miz-zor-rah, a lot of people pronounce it that way. Gina -----Original Message----- From: Shamrock1020@aol.com [mailto:Shamrock1020@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 3:20 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] (no subject) Do you think the pronunciation of Miz-zoo-rah comes from the college teams in Columbia, Missouri since they are known as Mizzou? I also pronounce it Miz-zooree. Our Senator, Kit Bond, does not know how to pronounce the word either. He says "Miz-zoo-rah. Happy Holidays to all. Mary ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.

There are actually some well educated, thoughtful & cultured folks who say Missoura when speaking about the state. Several years ago, a poll taken by the State found 48% spoke that way---52% said Missouree. One does not have to behave as if they had played too much football without a helmut to say Missoura. Bill Houdek Ballwin, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Lisa Kemp" <wjkljk.kemp@att.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Missouri > > I thought only Mizzou Football fans said "miz-zoooooo-RAHHHHHH", and really > loud, too. > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jims505@aol.com> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:11 PM > Subject: [StL-Metro] Missouri > > > > I was born and raised in St Louis and have always pronounced the State > name: > > > > Miz-zooree. > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm >