I loved the part about the coke. When my former St. Louis husband was sent (by me) to get some beverages for our first guests in our new California home, I told him to get "Cokes" as the people coming did not drink liquor. In California, where I grew up, "Cokes" means all kinds of soda - you said "Coca Cola" when you wanted it; otherwise, it was any kind of soda. (We usually bought that at ball games, fairs, etc. as it was diluted then and not so strong.) Well, you guessed it, he came home with "Coca Cola" and I asked why he bought that. He was really confused and we realized we had to clarify some of our conversations with each other. We spent a year in Louisiana and it has a lot of French names we had to learn to pronounce and my friends there laughed after they came back from a California vacation and had to learn to pronounce "San Jose" etc. They didn't know how to pronounce Spanish names. In Arizona, we had to learn to prounce a lot of Indian words. In Prescott, AZ, there is a way to tell a native as they say "Prescott" like biscuit - Pres-cuit; the new comers say "Pres-cott". Of course there are a few oldtimers who still won't change. Not only is it amazing that we all learn to talk to each other, it is fun and we can help each other out. Happy New Year to all! Jean in Columbia

My mom and dad are from St. Louis. They were both born in 1919. Both of them and all their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, moms, etc. have always said Missourah. My dad spent 30 years as a pilot in the USAF and we lived just in many different places so I've heard many different dialects. I have awed many a person from St. Louis by being able to discern their hometown instantly by the "ar" pronunciation of every "or" word, i.e. carn for corn, starm for storm, fark for fork (but FORT is always said correctly) :-) I know the Politically Correct way to say Missouri is with the "ree" but frankly, I've always thought saying it with the "ah" sound made us "insiders". Go figure!!! LOL I do take exception to the post by someone who indicated "those with proper education say it with an "ree" not the "rah". Except for my great grandparents on my mother's side, everyone in my family had a "proper" education. They just speak with the dialect that was prevalent in their neighborhoods at the time they were growing up... the younger generations in my family no longer say it, so I think it may be something from the past. Happy New Year to all. Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas In a message dated 12/25/2003 7:01:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Maybe this will help those in doubt? > > MissouREE! Or MissouRAH? Old Debate Renewed > Secretary of State Matt Blunt had no idea how intensely Missourians feel > about the pronunciation of their state's name. His recent unscientific state > fair > poll, in which MissouREE was voted vastly more popular than MissouRAH, has > only rekindled the debate. > There have been battling letters to the editor across the Show-Me State. > The Springfield News-Leader awarded an editorial "thorn" to those who > selected MissouRAH. At the Columbia Daily Tribune, editor Hank Waters > counted himself > a MissouRAH man, too, and he tweaked adherents of MissouREE, jokingly > tagging > them ignoramuses. > But MissouREE's supporters have been heard from, too. > "Us true Missourians-has anybody ever said Missourahians?-who pronounce it > correctly say 'Missouree,'" one newspaper reader declared in a letter to the > > editor. > "It's a delightful debate, and it's a fun debate," Blunt said in a recent > interview, sorting letters and e-mails from fans and detractors of his > unscientific survey during the state fair in August. > About 5,300 people cast ballots at the state fair-including children-and > Blunt said REE trounced RAH, 74 percent to 26 percent. > "It's a debate, I hope, with no end in sight," Blunt said. "I hope it goes > on > for generations." >

Well said! Though I am not a granny, yet, I start to get itchy when away from ancesters for to long. Diane H.

Yes, we are left out. But if you are interested in Lewis and Clark, and what this area was like then, you may want to read "Lewis and Clark in MISSOURI" by Ann Rogers. She wrote the book after realizing that nothing was written about their experiences while they were in Missouri Territory, except a brief mention here and there. LaVerne

Having been raised in this crossroads of the world and coming from the cosmopolitan area of South Broadway I must add my thoughts. How many of youse guys realize that at one time all the Hollywood stars were taught to speak with the Mid Western accent? One of the most popular stars during the 40's & 50's was from Dallas Texas, but nobody could understand her, thus language classes. They had to get the Cubers out of the East Coast people. Just listen to some of the old movie dialogue, it was all Mid West. When I went to Flight School in Florida in the mid 1950's it was next to impossible to understand the accent. Now that all the "Snow Birds" have been down there the accent has all but disappeared. I have one daughter who still has a West Texas Drawl and she only lived there for the first two years of her life, she is now 44, you can take them out of Texas but they are still Texans. I spent some 20 years away from St. Louis after spending 20 years growing up in the area. Some of the first things I remember was the RC Cola I always got at my Great Uncle's house in Belleville, I thought it could only be bought in Belleville. One of the men I was stationed with in Arkansas, drove through St. Louis and stopped by my dad's tavern (we were both being transferred to Delaware), he ordered a Scotch and Soda. He thought my mother poisoned him. She had given him Scotch with 7-up. She then made him another drink with Scotch and Sparkling Water (also bad), the third drink was Scotch and tap water. What else could you expect from a girl raised in the up and coming neighborhood of Jefferson & Cass during the 1910-20 era, over the Hogan Brothers Saloon, these were current political leaders in St. Louis at the time and one even became a Missouri Senator. Coke was just that Coke, no Cola was added to the name until it was politically correct, people today are shocked when they hear that it originally got it flavoring from the real stuff Jefferson City was known as Jeff and when I referred to it as "down there" my mother-in-law corrected me to let me know that it was not "down" but "up". What did she know she always used that funny "you all" comment. Then the differentiation between "downtown" in St. Louis when it didn't make any difference where you lived, but in Belleville you went "uptown" believe they also used "uptown" in Jeff. Is it Downtown in large cities and Uptown in small cities? When my Grandfather "Grandpa" visited Belleville he reverted to his Belleville accent and greeted people with his "How Do" for hello. We went "over" to Belleville to visit my Great Grandparents, only knowing them as "Maw" and "Paw". Belleville and St. Louis swapped other things as well, in the 40's and 50's those fashion conscious women in Belleville shopped for their clothes in St. Louis, while the women in St. Louis "In the know" shopped for theirs in Belleville, go figure. I was so brain washed by the Lincoln mystic that I thought that the Capital Cities of all States were named Springfield, that is until the nuns literally pounded it into me, that Jefferson City was the Capital of Missoureeeeee and that Illinois was pronounced with a quiet "s", I always wondered why not use it, it was there, oh well. I was always a bit embarrassed when our Governor & now Senator Kit Bond pronounced it Missoura, I just figured he didn't know any better being from western Missoureeeee, the nuns had to be correct they always were and I had the bumps to prove it, maybe they were all from Eastern Missouri and Illinoise Believe some one else mentioned it but why is it Des Plaines in Illinois and DeeMoine in Iowa and Dee Pair in Missouri, don't they all start with "DES"? I knew I had returned home in 1975 when the waitress at the Steak and Shake asked "What can I get youse guys". What's wrong with Fortee and Carn on the Cob, and whoever heard of Sweet Carn back in the old days only Carn that stuck to your teeth was fit to eat, it had kernels that you could chew. I never knew that Sweet Corn existed until I lived in Delaware where they served the Field Corn to the animals and we humans had to eat Sweet Corn. Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I got neighbor's 3 doors up for 30 years and I don't know their names, as I'm STILL an outsider. When I had my security clearance reviewed the inspector ask them what they knew of me and they could not tell him anything except I was "a cripple who drove a blue truck, had a nasty dog and had too many damn parties". I have a card party every other month at my house. We finish up around 1030-1100. The people across the street who I am friendly with reported I traveled outside the country many times --- I went to California and Arizona all the times. The next-door neighbors reported that I had traveled to Denmark but could not remember I was stationed in England for 3 months although I sent them a box of candy form London for Christmas. Sometimes it's good to be an outsider. I've lived in small towns where they knew if you did laundry that day and if your whites were as white as theirs.

I was from Massachusetts and in the early 1950's teaching in the radio school at Scott Field in Belleville, we had some english speaking south americans come to the school and they couldn't understand a word I said. Art On 27 Dec 2003 at 11:23, kimbuc4@juno.com wrote: Date forwarded: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:22:32 -0700 Date sent: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:23:33 -0800 From: kimbuc4@juno.com Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: St. Louis Twang To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Forwarded by: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Having been raised in this crossroads of the world and coming from the cosmopolitan area of South Broadway I must add my thoughts. How many of youse guys realize that at one time all the Hollywood stars were taught to speak with the Mid Western accent? One of the most popular stars during the 40's & 50's was from Dallas Texas, but nobody could understand her, thus language classes. They had to get the Cubers out of the East Coast people. Just listen to some of the old movie dialogue, it was all Mid West. When I went to Flight School in Florida in the mid 1950's it was next to impossible to understand the accent. Now that all the "Snow Birds" have been down there the accent has all but disappeared. I have one daughter who still has a West Texas Drawl and she only lived there for the first two years of her life, she is now 44, you can take them out of Texas but they are still Texans. I spent some 20 years away from St. Louis after spending 20 years growing up in the area. Some of the first things I remember was the RC Cola I always got at my Great Uncle's house in Belleville, I thought it could only be bought in Belleville. One of the men I was stationed with in Arkansas, drove through St. Louis and stopped by my dad's tavern (we were both being transferred to Delaware), he ordered a Scotch and Soda. He thought my mother poisoned him. She had given him Scotch with 7-up. She then made him another drink with Scotch and Sparkling Water (also bad), the third drink was Scotch and tap water. What else could you expect from a girl raised in the up and coming neighborhood of Jefferson & Cass during the 1910-20 era, over the Hogan Brothers Saloon, these were current political leaders in St. Louis at the time and one even became a Missouri Senator. Coke was just that Coke, no Cola was added to the name until it was politically correct, people today are shocked when they hear that it originally got it flavoring from the real stuff Jefferson City was known as Jeff and when I referred to it as "down there" my mother-in-law corrected me to let me know that it was not "down" but "up". What did she know she always used that funny "you all" comment. Then the differentiation between "downtown" in St. Louis when it didn't make any difference where you lived, but in Belleville you went "uptown" believe they also used "uptown" in Jeff. Is it Downtown in large cities and Uptown in small cities? When my Grandfather "Grandpa" visited Belleville he reverted to his Belleville accent and greeted people with his "How Do" for hello. We went "over" to Belleville to visit my Great Grandparents, only knowing them as "Maw" and "Paw". Belleville and St. Louis swapped other things as well, in the 40's and 50's those fashion conscious women in Belleville shopped for their clothes in St. Louis, while the women in St. Louis "In the know" shopped for theirs in Belleville, go figure. I was so brain washed by the Lincoln mystic that I thought that the Capital Cities of all States were named Springfield, that is until the nuns literally pounded it into me, that Jefferson City was the Capital of Missoureeeeee and that Illinois was pronounced with a quiet "s", I always wondered why not use it, it was there, oh well. I was always a bit embarrassed when our Governor & now Senator Kit Bond pronounced it Missoura, I just figured he didn't know any better being from western Missoureeeee, the nuns had to be correct they always were and I had the bumps to prove it, maybe they were all from Eastern Missouri and Illinoise Believe some one else mentioned it but why is it Des Plaines in Illinois and DeeMoine in Iowa and Dee Pair in Missouri, don't they all start with "DES"? I knew I had returned home in 1975 when the waitress at the Steak and Shake asked "What can I get youse guys". What's wrong with Fortee and Carn on the Cob, and whoever heard of Sweet Carn back in the old days only Carn that stuck to your teeth was fit to eat, it had kernels that you could chew. I never knew that Sweet Corn existed until I lived in Delaware where they served the Field Corn to the animals and we humans had to eat Sweet Corn. Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG- NEUTZLER-PONCOT-REN SIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

Our daughters' husband and family, born & raised in St. Louis metro, say yous, sodie or pop (for any sort of soft drink) must serve brats, pasta, & beer. When we lived in Etlanna (Atlanta for the uninformed) Coke was "mother's milk" consumed at all times and places and only the uncouth drank Pepsi, though still called it Coke. Here in St. Louis being and outsider ment not having gone to school, elementary & high especially in a catholic school. If you had that misfortune, you were definitely an outsider, ignored at parties, not invited to most and almost never included in general activities. We have lived in St. Louis twice, Kansas City twice, Atlanta & Los Angeles. Never felt so left out or ignored as the two times here in St. Louis. Have lasting friends everywhere except St. Louis. This is certainly more than I should have said but what-the-hay, did it anyway. Bill Houdek Ballwin, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "GINA DANNA" <CSA26MS@msn.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 > Hmmm...I've lived in St. Louis all my life. Granted, I'm familiar with the "highway fortee-fortee" stuff, and the odd thing we do about "where did you go to school" having nothing to do w/ college. But the Santa stuff, etc., I haven't heard outside of adults talking to the baby. And those with proper education pronounce Missouri as Missouree (not that other way). > > And I think our other strange bit is not so much "yous guys" as much as "you-all" or "we-all." > > But I guess what always got me is the way Illinois refers to soda as "pop." I also remember there is someplace else that refers to soda as "Coke" - regardless of the type (such as going out for a soda was going out for a "Coke" but that wasn't what you drank). Does anyone know where I'm talking about? > > Gina > St. Louis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jeanb > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:30 PM > Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 > > > I'm really enjoying the St. Louis talk. Being from California and not > having an accent (I always thought it was unfair that we didn't), I had > Texas and Eastern relatives who when we were kids, thought they all talked > "funny." > > Then, I married a guy from St. Louis and had to hear: > > Santy Clause (Santa Clause) > orinch sody (orange soda) > Kindygarten (kindergarten) > > but haven't seen any of you mention: > > "yous guys" or "ain't got" > Did he get those somewhere else?? Ha ha > > Believe me after 30 years I still can't get him to drop any of it. > > Jean in Columbia > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. >

Yes, we are the crossroads for the US. But here is an interesting note: most US history books talk about the East Coast, The South, Texas, Illinois occasionally, the Northwest Territory sometimes & the West. The Midwest, mostly Missouri & especially St. Louis are somehow ignored; left out! Go figure! Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: rbozzay To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 Yep, I've heard all of those here at one time or the other. I say Santa Claus but have heard Santy and Claws for Claus I have heard sody and sody pop but no so much as when I was younger. I have heard Kin-da-garden I have heard you guys but not yous guys And yes, "I ain't got no..." Seems to me there was song with that lyric too! Was that song by Ike and Tina Turner perhaps? They were St. Louisans. We are a crossroads, middle of the US so we had influence by every major group who came from the East, North, and South. I am sure our heritage, our language, our traditions, and our families reflect this smelting pot of variety that has moved through this "Gateway to the West". If you look at our families, many of us are wonderful mixtures of several nationalities. We are a fun group! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanb" <jeanb@tranquility.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 > I'm really enjoying the St. Louis talk. Being from California and not > having an accent (I always thought it was unfair that we didn't), I had > Texas and Eastern relatives who when we were kids, thought they all talked > "funny." > > Then, I married a guy from St. Louis and had to hear: > > Santy Clause (Santa Clause) > orinch sody (orange soda) > Kindygarten (kindergarten) > > but haven't seen any of you mention: > > "yous guys" or "ain't got" > Did he get those somewhere else?? Ha ha > > Believe me after 30 years I still can't get him to drop any of it. > > Jean in Columbia > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org.

Yep, I've heard all of those here at one time or the other. I say Santa Claus but have heard Santy and Claws for Claus I have heard sody and sody pop but no so much as when I was younger. I have heard Kin-da-garden I have heard you guys but not yous guys And yes, "I ain't got no..." Seems to me there was song with that lyric too! Was that song by Ike and Tina Turner perhaps? They were St. Louisans. We are a crossroads, middle of the US so we had influence by every major group who came from the East, North, and South. I am sure our heritage, our language, our traditions, and our families reflect this smelting pot of variety that has moved through this "Gateway to the West". If you look at our families, many of us are wonderful mixtures of several nationalities. We are a fun group! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanb" <jeanb@tranquility.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 > I'm really enjoying the St. Louis talk. Being from California and not > having an accent (I always thought it was unfair that we didn't), I had > Texas and Eastern relatives who when we were kids, thought they all talked > "funny." > > Then, I married a guy from St. Louis and had to hear: > > Santy Clause (Santa Clause) > orinch sody (orange soda) > Kindygarten (kindergarten) > > but haven't seen any of you mention: > > "yous guys" or "ain't got" > Did he get those somewhere else?? Ha ha > > Believe me after 30 years I still can't get him to drop any of it. > > Jean in Columbia > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > >

Hmmm...I've lived in St. Louis all my life. Granted, I'm familiar with the "highway fortee-fortee" stuff, and the odd thing we do about "where did you go to school" having nothing to do w/ college. But the Santa stuff, etc., I haven't heard outside of adults talking to the baby. And those with proper education pronounce Missouri as Missouree (not that other way). And I think our other strange bit is not so much "yous guys" as much as "you-all" or "we-all." But I guess what always got me is the way Illinois refers to soda as "pop." I also remember there is someplace else that refers to soda as "Coke" - regardless of the type (such as going out for a soda was going out for a "Coke" but that wasn't what you drank). Does anyone know where I'm talking about? Gina St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: jeanb To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:30 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 I'm really enjoying the St. Louis talk. Being from California and not having an accent (I always thought it was unfair that we didn't), I had Texas and Eastern relatives who when we were kids, thought they all talked "funny." Then, I married a guy from St. Louis and had to hear: Santy Clause (Santa Clause) orinch sody (orange soda) Kindygarten (kindergarten) but haven't seen any of you mention: "yous guys" or "ain't got" Did he get those somewhere else?? Ha ha Believe me after 30 years I still can't get him to drop any of it. Jean in Columbia ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org.

I'm really enjoying the St. Louis talk. Being from California and not having an accent (I always thought it was unfair that we didn't), I had Texas and Eastern relatives who when we were kids, thought they all talked "funny." Then, I married a guy from St. Louis and had to hear: Santy Clause (Santa Clause) orinch sody (orange soda) Kindygarten (kindergarten) but haven't seen any of you mention: "yous guys" or "ain't got" Did he get those somewhere else?? Ha ha Believe me after 30 years I still can't get him to drop any of it. Jean in Columbia

Merry Christmas to all from Kansas. I was always taught the word was Miz-ur-ee. BUT here we say R=Kansas for Arkansas. And the German words that Diana talked about, my grandmother would say them to us and her translation was Self praise stinks. jackie

What is the origin of the 1880's cookbook from your great-great grandmother? Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: Baking Powder > Cream of Tartar, Cornstarch and Baking Soda. > The recipe is on the Cream of TarTar Jars now > But it was something my Grandmother and my Great Aunt always did. It really makes the cookies puffier. I have just always done that. > > The recipe is: > 1/2 tsp cream of tartar > 1/4 tsp baking soda > 1/4 tsp cornstarch > > You can do the math to make a bigger batch. > > This is the way our relatives used to cook before they had convenience foods! > > I have a cookbook from the 1880s that was my great-great grandmothers. I use it to make things even today. I must admit I do use Whipped Shortening instead of Lard that is called for in some of those recipes! > > But some of the standard breads...simple, and good! > > Laura who is now very tired of baking! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shamrock1020@aol.com > To: rbozzay@earthlink.net > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 9:03 PM > Subject: Baking Powder > > > Laura, > > And, how does one make baking powder? > > Mary > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Maybe this will help those in doubt? MissouREE! Or MissouRAH? Old Debate Renewed Secretary of State Matt Blunt had no idea how intensely Missourians feel about the pronunciation of their state's name. His recent unscientific state fair poll, in which MissouREE was voted vastly more popular than MissouRAH, has only rekindled the debate. There have been battling letters to the editor across the Show-Me State. The Springfield News-Leader awarded an editorial "thorn" to those who selected MissouRAH. At the Columbia Daily Tribune, editor Hank Waters counted himself a MissouRAH man, too, and he tweaked adherents of MissouREE, jokingly tagging them ignoramuses. But MissouREE's supporters have been heard from, too. "Us true Missourians-has anybody ever said Missourahians?-who pronounce it correctly say 'Missouree,'" one newspaper reader declared in a letter to the editor. "It's a delightful debate, and it's a fun debate," Blunt said in a recent interview, sorting letters and e-mails from fans and detractors of his unscientific survey during the state fair in August. About 5,300 people cast ballots at the state fair-including children-and Blunt said REE trounced RAH, 74 percent to 26 percent. "It's a debate, I hope, with no end in sight," Blunt said. "I hope it goes on for generations." And it will! George bapaghk@aol.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Okay Regis. I want to put an end to this controversy. I'm not a learned woman, but I do love reading books, and I do love to listen to Southerners tawlk. If I might humbly opine: Those who say Missour-EE tend to have Nawthuhn leaning accents, while those who say Missour-AH tend to sway Suhthuhn. It's that evolution of the lazy drawl into beautiful speech that is affected from generations of living where it is so flippin' hot and humid, that it takes every ounce of energy just to get a word OUT. CHAWL-stun, GAH-juh, FLAH-duh, suh-puh, flaw-uhs.... That, Regis, is my final answer. Lisa the wanna-be know-it-all "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html Rootsweb Posting http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay

Sure, that did a lot in clearing up the discussion!!! It is like trying to convince someone they go to the wrong church, vote for the wrong candidate, or think wrong about abortion, creationism or the hundreds of other things people have their minds set on. I am a Missoura man and will be forever, don't care how wrong (says who) it is, who says it different. I will admit to living in misery---get time off for that when I arrive at the pearly gates, unless I go the other way for saying Missoura!! This thread has been a lot of fun that is sorely needed these days. Bill Houdek Ballwin, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bapaghk@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Missouree - Missourah > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Maybe this will help those in doubt? > > MissouREE! Or MissouRAH? Old Debate Renewed > Secretary of State Matt Blunt had no idea how intensely Missourians feel > about the pronunciation of their state's name. His recent unscientific state fair > poll, in which MissouREE was voted vastly more popular than MissouRAH, has > only rekindled the debate. > There have been battling letters to the editor across the Show-Me State. > The Springfield News-Leader awarded an editorial "thorn" to those who > selected MissouRAH. At the Columbia Daily Tribune, editor Hank Waters counted himself > a MissouRAH man, too, and he tweaked adherents of MissouREE, jokingly tagging > them ignoramuses. > But MissouREE's supporters have been heard from, too. > "Us true Missourians-has anybody ever said Missourahians?-who pronounce it > correctly say 'Missouree,'" one newspaper reader declared in a letter to the > editor. > "It's a delightful debate, and it's a fun debate," Blunt said in a recent > interview, sorting letters and e-mails from fans and detractors of his > unscientific survey during the state fair in August. > About 5,300 people cast ballots at the state fair-including children-and > Blunt said REE trounced RAH, 74 percent to 26 percent. > "It's a debate, I hope, with no end in sight," Blunt said. "I hope it goes on > for generations." > > > And it will! > George > bapaghk@aol.com > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm >

I am from a Rural Area of Missouri (65 miles SE of St. Louis) and we said it with an e not an ah. Now I am in the good old state of Virginie :-) (Virginyah) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Missouri > What I find humorous is that I grew up in South St. Louis. We all said > Miz-ou-ree. > We thought folks in Kansas City and the rural areas said Miz-ou-rah. > Now from the notes on this list it sounds like even this varied from street > to street in the same area. > Or perhaps from time to time. > > I don't think this controversy will ever end. What is even funnier is that > it is a Native American Word, phonetically written down by French Jesuit > priests and who knows what it really should sound like! > Sounds like a game of telephone gone astray and lasting for centuries! > > I believe though, that if what those early French explorers heard was " rah" > the spelling would not be with an "i" at the end. Maybe it should be > Miz-ou-rye! (only joking!) > > I do think though the French heard something along the lines of "ee" > because they spelled it like in Mardi Gras and that is the long e sound. > Well, actually they spelled it with an "it" at the end like in petit (we say > petite which is close to the French). So maybe we are all saying it wrong! > > Some URLs for your reading enjoyment (?)... > > http://members.sockets.net/~joschaper/moname.htm > > http://www.mpiweb.org/news/newsbytes/v942news.asp see last article on this > web site > > > Laura > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: > http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. >

What I find humorous is that I grew up in South St. Louis. We all said Miz-ou-ree. We thought folks in Kansas City and the rural areas said Miz-ou-rah. Now from the notes on this list it sounds like even this varied from street to street in the same area. Or perhaps from time to time. I don't think this controversy will ever end. What is even funnier is that it is a Native American Word, phonetically written down by French Jesuit priests and who knows what it really should sound like! Sounds like a game of telephone gone astray and lasting for centuries! I believe though, that if what those early French explorers heard was " rah" the spelling would not be with an "i" at the end. Maybe it should be Miz-ou-rye! (only joking!) I do think though the French heard something along the lines of "ee" because they spelled it like in Mardi Gras and that is the long e sound. Well, actually they spelled it with an "it" at the end like in petit (we say petite which is close to the French). So maybe we are all saying it wrong! Some URLs for your reading enjoyment (?)... http://members.sockets.net/~joschaper/moname.htm http://www.mpiweb.org/news/newsbytes/v942news.asp see last article on this web site Laura > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm > >

In a message dated 12/23/2003 6:08:17 PM Central Standard Time, Xann55@aol.com writes: I agree.. I've always thought all Missourians pronounced it with the "a" on the end, and certainly ALL folks from St. Louis!! LOL Noooooooooooooooooooo........lol Actually I don't know anyone who says Missourah...that lives here anyway....