What I am about to reveal today is a gift to St Louis simply because it is the home of such greatly important people. Please do not believe that I am so important that I would forget all my friends amongst the blue collar workers, the street sweepers, the garbage collectors, the bus drivers or the giants of industry. I confess that the authors of the "Star Spangled Banner and The Great Gatsby," are both related to the McQuillens of St Louis, Miss-oo-ree. Proof you ask? F. Scott Fitzgerald was born just up the river in St Paul, Minnesota September 24, 1896 the very same year and month William Patrick (Bow Wow) McQuillen was born in St Louis, September 1896. F. Scott's full name was, Francis Scott Key Fitzgerald and was the second cousin three times removed of the author of the National Anthem, "Oh say can you see." And there was much more to the Fizgerald family's fame. His father’s aunt was Mrs. Suratt, one of the conspirators hanged for the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Mr. Fitzgerald came of an old Southern family. His great-grandfather’ s brother was Francis Scott Key, composer of "The Star Spangled Banner." The author was named after him. Scott's father was Edward Fitzgerald, born in the Baltimore, MD area and was a southern gentleman with high morals and leaned toward southern virtues and values. His Mother was the lovely Mary (Molly) MCQUILLEN who was the daughter of an Irish immigrant who became wealthy as a wholesale grocer in St. Paul. Both were good Catholics who raised this lovely girl to take her place in polite society, which she did handily. In 1917 a genteel black mark appeared on F. Scott's record at Princeton University. It was discovered that he was partying a little more than was naturally good for him and caused a great uproar in the family concerning grades. And so he enlisted in the army as a second lieutenant and was sent to a camp near Montgomery, Alabama where he met the daughter of an Alabama Supreme Court judge and fell in love. This flower of the confederacy was Zelda Sayre, a lovely young thing who was to stumble on the rocks along the road of life. Being one half Fitzgerald and one half McQuillen and one hundred percent Irish, can you imagine F. Scott's disappointment when he discovered he was not to be sent overseas to give those Huns, "what for?" In 1919 F. Scott was discharged and he began to write in earnest. He wrote for magazines and worked on novels until he was inspired to write "The Great Gatsby," but some time after his novel, "This Side Of Paradise," in 1920. A week after this novel was published F. Scott and the lovely Zelda were wed. But the newly weds were not to live life as a fairy tale, "No indeed," their life together was to be laden with trolls, goblins and dragons. Their life was loaded with lavish living and booze and nervous break downs. It was reported that Zelda never became an alcoholic but F. Scott certainly did. Zelda's demon became the young gentlemen of the times. They embarked on an extravagant life as young celebrities. F. Scott tried to earn a solid literary reputation, but his playboy image impeded the proper assessment of his work. Things finally came to a head in April 1930 when Zelda suffered her first breakdown. She was treated at a clinic in Switzerland until September 1931, while F. Scott lived in Swiss hotels. Work on another novel was suspended as he wrote short stories to pay for psychiatric treatment. F. Scott went to Hollywood alone in the summer of 1937 with a six-month contract at MGM, screenwriting at a magnificent $1,000 a week. This was a great deal of money during the depression years. It was said he earned above $90, 000 total while at MGM, when a new Chevrolet coupe cost $619; although F, Scott paid off most of his debts, he was unable to save. His trips back east to visit his wife were disastrous. In California F. Scott fell in love with movie columnist Sheilah Graham. Their love affair endured despite his drunken binges. After MGM dropped his option at the end of 1938, Fitzgerald worked as a freelance script writer and wrote short-short stories for Esquire Magazine and other publications. He began his Hollywood inspired novel, "The Love of the Last Tycoon," in 1939 and had written more than half of it when he died of a heart attack in Sheilah's apartment on December 21, 1940 when I was only five and a half years old. Zelda Fitzgerald perished in a fire in Highland Hospital in 1948. And so, as you can see, I am a humble man and firmly believe I should take no credit for my help in the writing of the "Star Spangled Banner," and "The Great Gatsby." It all belongs to St Louis, Missouri.----Jim

> > My James S. Wilson was born somewhere in Ky in 1855, at least what his death > certificate said. He married Ann Elizabeth Icenhower in St Charles, Mo then > moved to St. Louis. They had one son Samuel born in St.Louis, Mo. They were > divorced and then married a women named Martha Jane Woods. They had Julia > Woods Bronon, Edward, Arthur, Henry, Stella Chandler, Bertie Mueller and > Margaret Jedlicka. > > Would love to hear from anyone searching these Wilson's & family. > > Pat In Fl > > >

If anyone does have St. Louis Spanish connections feel free to post that information to the whole group. I do have the web site for the St.Louis Spanish Society located on Michigan Ave. in Carondolet. http://www.eteamz.com/spanishsociety/ Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hammons" <hammons@cr6.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] St. Louis MO back to Spain ca 1780's > Happy New Year everyone! > > Is there anyone on this list who has ancestors who settled in St. Louis in > the late 1700 - 1800 time frame, who has Spanish ancestry? I thought this > year I would try to find out about the little bit of Spanish in my line. I > have been doing my St. Louis people with the French Ancestry for a couple of > years now. But since this is a 'St. Louis' list, if there is anyone on the > list that falls into this category, please email me privately. I could > really use some tips!!! > > Pat > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >

The marriages are available through the Family History Library. Go to FHL, do a place search for St. Louis and scroll through the treasures. If you find something of interest, order the microfilm at your local FHC for $3.75 or if you know the FHLC# and the license number, ask Salt Lake to make a photocopy for you for $2.00/item ($4.00 min). Once you have the license, you must still go to the Church record for the witnesses and the parents' names. If you are anywhere near San Diego, I have the marriage index, selectedcity directories, census and Irish Catholic church records. The FHC is open Mon-Sat 10-3 and 10-9 on Wed and Thur. I am available for individual help on Mondays, 10-3. Ellen "Linda Gruben" <lgruben@JonesDay.com> wrote: >Would anyone have the address to write to request a marriage license in St. >Louis around 1894? I've written to the office of vital records but they >said to write the marriage office, although they didn't provide an address. > >Thanks. > >Linda G. > >========== >The preceding e-mail message (including any attachments) contains >information that may be confidential, be protected by the attorney-client >or other applicable privileges, or constitute non-public information. It >is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are >not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by >replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Use, >dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message by unintended >recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. >========== > > > > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > __________________________________________________________________ New! Unlimited Access from the Netscape Internet Service. Beta test the new Netscape Internet Service for only $1.00 per month until 3/1/04. Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

My James S. Wilson was born somewhere in Ky in 1855, at least what his death certificate said. He married Ann Elizabeth Icenhower in St Charles, Mo then moved to St. Louis. They had one son Samuel born in St.Louis, Mo. They were divorced and then married a women named Martha Jane Woods. They had Julia Woods Bronon, Edward, Arthur, Henry, Stella Chandler, Bertie Mueller and Margaret Jedlicka. Would love to hear from anyone searching these Wilson's & family. Pat In Fl

Thanks, Diane! BOUNCE-MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request=rootsweb.com@mailga te.jdrp.com To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: [StL-Metro] Address for Marriage License (Linda 12/30/03 10:51 AM G.) Linda G. wrote: Would anyone have the address to write to request a marriage license in St. Louis around 1894? I've written to the office of vital records but they said to write the marriage office, although they didn't provide an address. Thanks. Linda G. Linda, Here is the address of the archivist in the Recorder of Deeds office. They are extremely helpful, and sent me the 1895 marriage license of my grandparents, and also a copy of the page from the Marriage Records Book, showing my great-grandparents' marriage of 1876. You can contact them by e-mail first, to see if they have your rellies' records, and they will let you know exactly what license number to request. Dusty Reeves, Archivist Archives Department (1764-1921 land and marriage records) Room 127, City Hall, 1200 Market, Saint Louis MO 63103 (314) 613-3123 archive127s@stlouiscityrecorder.org Good luck!!! Diane T. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm ========== The preceding e-mail message (including any attachments) contains information that may be confidential, be protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privileges, or constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. ==========

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Happy New Year everyone! Is there anyone on this list who has ancestors who settled in St. Louis in the late 1700 - 1800 time frame, who has Spanish ancestry? I thought this year I would try to find out about the little bit of Spanish in my line. I have been doing my St. Louis people with the French Ancestry for a couple of years now. But since this is a 'St. Louis' list, if there is anyone on the list that falls into this category, please email me privately. I could really use some tips!!! Pat

Linda G. wrote: Would anyone have the address to write to request a marriage license in St. Louis around 1894? I've written to the office of vital records but they said to write the marriage office, although they didn't provide an address. Thanks. Linda G. Linda, Here is the address of the archivist in the Recorder of Deeds office. They are extremely helpful, and sent me the 1895 marriage license of my grandparents, and also a copy of the page from the Marriage Records Book, showing my great-grandparents' marriage of 1876. You can contact them by e-mail first, to see if they have your rellies' records, and they will let you know exactly what license number to request. Dusty Reeves, Archivist Archives Department (1764-1921 land and marriage records) Room 127, City Hall, 1200 Market, Saint Louis MO 63103 (314) 613-3123 archive127s@stlouiscityrecorder.org Good luck!!! Diane T. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003

A new site to explore offered from Wolf on the Prussia List. Gloria ------------------------------------------ In a message dated 12/28/03 8:01:18 PM Central Standard Time, PRUSSIA-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:52:24 -0600 > From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxony@lakemartin.net> > To: PRUSSIA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <JHEOLPDLPHLIPDFIFNNJIEHBEEAA.saxony@lakemartin.net> > Subject: [PRUSSIA] New German Places Database > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hello, All, > > here is another "First" on the internet.... > > We just started a new Database showing the addresses of German Parishes > and Civil Registry Offices [ Standesamt]. > > So far, it contains about 2,000 addresses of Church parishes, lutheran and > catholic, mainly for the German states of Saxony and Thuringia. > > It will be updated frequently and later on it will include the whole of > Germany and the former Silesia, East- and West- Prussia which now belongs > to Poland and it might also include, if available, some pictures and/ or > information about the history of the particular place and some information > about places which don't exist anymore. > > Please, let's make this a mutual project for all interested in > searching our German roots. I desperately need your help in letting > me know of any additional information you might have. > > If you are a member of another english and/ or german speaking mailing list, > please spread the word ..... we ALL will benefit from it !! > > Just take a look what we did so far: > http://www.saxonyroots.com/place/index.php?lang=en > > You all have a good "Rutsch in's Neue Jahr", > > Wolf > > ******************************************************************** > PLEASE visit our website: www.saxonyroots.com > ******************************************************************** > >

I have been so busy researching I almost forgot to mention one important term: 'YOU'UNS' meaning, "y'all or you all." It was a well used term by my grand Dad, Ralph Waldo and I believe originates in Indiana. I have been very busy these past two weeks researching in Illinois and have made some very important discoveries I'm going to share. All this important data still has not helped find those pesky McQuillens over there but is most useful to the serious researchers. 1837 A well known Abolitionist and newspaper editor, Elijah Lovejoy, was set upon, Nov 7, 1837, by a mob of proslavery folks in Alton, Illinois and shot dead. That would have been exactly 117 years to the day before I went into the army in 1954. Now that's important. 1816 In 1816 there were a number of fractious folks living in various neighborhoods all over the state in Indian villages. Some of these folks belonged to the following tribes: Ottawas--Kickapoos--Pottawatomies--Chippewas--and the McQuillens a short time later. "Notice: in each tribe there are double letters in it." Note: I really like the word "Fractious," Webster says it means: hard to manage, unruly, rebellious, refractory, peevish, irritable and cross. With such apt and specific descriptions I can't understand why my McQuillens are not easier to find in Illinois. These very fine first Americans were led by such stalwart Chiefs as: White Hair--Pepper--Bull--Toad--Great Speaker--Pipe Bird--Blue Eye--Yellow Lips--Sunfish--and White Dog. The McQuillen tribe could have been led by: Rhoda Bare Skin--Whiskey Dave--George Pounding Rocks and other famous names of great historical significance. One great site location in Illinois was named Chicago and was spelled at this time, "Cheeaqua" and was given to a long line of governing Chiefs which has a number of interpretations such as: "The voice of the Great Spirit," Thunder, Skunk, and Wild Onion. There could be more but these seemed to be the most commonly used names. This leads me to believe that Chicago was a very important place, even back then, with such important sounding names. 1812-1814 The judicial system was very strong too, with proper punishment and judgments against evil doers that maintained the peace and tranquillity of the state, towns and villages. Some of which were: Perjury and larceny--31 stripes, bare backed. Burglary--39 stripes, bare back. Children and servants--Not to exceed 10 stripes, fully clothed. (Now this is one I could get behind of, if it included sassy wives. Don't worry, Josephine never reads what I send.) Horse stealing--50 to 100 stripes, bare back. Hog stealing--25 to 39 stripes, bare back. Bigamy--100 to 300 stripes, bare back. What makes this information so important to the McQuillen family survivors is, if poor gr-grand Dad, George W. McQuillen, were only given 39 stripes for burglarizing the railroad warehouse at Olney in 1876 instead of being sent to that nasty prison in Joliet, there would be no psyche scars remaining in his descendants and there would still be huge rocks across the state. I would have said, "Give him the stripes and forget the whole thing, maybe he'll remain in Illinois and leave the folks in St Louis alone." But that was not to be when he arrived in St Loo in 1882, just four short years after his release and one step ahead of the posse. Enough for now, I must return to my search for truth and accuracy concerning my McQuillens, Brashers, Byrnes, Browns and Vies.----Jim

Perhaps try VALLE for Valte. There are some in both Jefferson and Sainte Genevieve Counties in Missouri.

There are many Valles in Ste. Genevieve County! Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wckrzyzanowski@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #435 > Perhaps try VALLE for Valte. There are some in both Jefferson and Sainte > Genevieve Counties in Missouri. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >

It looks like this interchange is going forward and I, for one, like it. Here's some more. In the USAF I managed to live quite a few places and with a large assortment of people from all over the USA but I guess Georgia outside of Atlanta may take the prize. Here is an example from the then new K-Mart Store in Marietta, GA back in 1963 or 4. It was so amazing I wrote it down right away when I got back to my car. At the check outs the girl at my register was talking to here friend at the next register as I approached and here is what I heard: "Well! I ain't never knowed nobody what knows nothin' nohow, and I cain't hep it." Back in Arizona in my younger days as a pharmacist in Holbrook and later, Clifton, many customers when asked if I could help them, responded with this question: "Don't you got no aspirin (or whatever they were shopping for)." Of course some folks simply said "I'd like a bottle of aspirin..." Then there was the fellow in the residence conversational group one evening who announced that he was having trouble with his "hat". When asked what hat, what was the problem, he thumped his chest and replied, "My hat, my hat. It flutters." Seems he was originally from "Baaston". I could go on and on but that would really get me in trouble. Cheers, George Message ----- From: "bhoudek" <bhoudek@swbell.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 > Our daughters' husband and family, born & raised in St. Louis metro, say > yous, sodie or pop (for any sort of soft drink) must serve brats, pasta, & > beer. When we lived in Etlanna (Atlanta for the uninformed) Coke was > "mother's milk" consumed at all times and places and only the uncouth drank > Pepsi, though still called it Coke. > > Here in St. Louis being and outsider ment not having gone to school, > elementary & high especially in a catholic school. If you had that > misfortune, you were definitely an outsider, ignored at parties, not invited > to most and almost never included in general activities. We have lived in > St. Louis twice, Kansas City twice, Atlanta & Los Angeles. Never felt so > left out or ignored as the two times here in St. Louis. Have lasting friends > everywhere except St. Louis. > > This is certainly more than I should have said but what-the-hay, did it > anyway. > > Bill Houdek > Ballwin, MO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GINA DANNA" <CSA26MS@msn.com> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 > > > > Hmmm...I've lived in St. Louis all my life. Granted, I'm familiar with > the "highway fortee-fortee" stuff, and the odd thing we do about "where did > you go to school" having nothing to do w/ college. But the Santa stuff, > etc., I haven't heard outside of adults talking to the baby. And those with > proper education pronounce Missouri as Missouree (not that other way). > > > > And I think our other strange bit is not so much "yous guys" as much as > "you-all" or "we-all." > > > > But I guess what always got me is the way Illinois refers to soda as > "pop." I also remember there is someplace else that refers to soda as > "Coke" - regardless of the type (such as going out for a soda was going out > for a "Coke" but that wasn't what you drank). Does anyone know where I'm > talking about? > > > > Gina > > St. Louis > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jeanb > > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 7:30 PM > > Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V03 #428 > > > > > > I'm really enjoying the St. Louis talk. Being from California and not > > having an accent (I always thought it was unfair that we didn't), I had > > Texas and Eastern relatives who when we were kids, thought they all > talked > > "funny." > > > > Then, I married a guy from St. Louis and had to hear: > > > > Santy Clause (Santa Clause) > > orinch sody (orange soda) > > Kindygarten (kindergarten) > > > > but haven't seen any of you mention: > > > > "yous guys" or "ain't got" > > Did he get those somewhere else?? Ha ha > > > > Believe me after 30 years I still can't get him to drop any of it. > > > > Jean in Columbia > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, > visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website > (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a > look. > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > >

Can someone tell me where I can find the 1910 census entry (enumeration district?) for 1908 Utah Street in St. Louis? Trying to find the name of residents there. Thanks. ========== The preceding e-mail message (including any attachments) contains information that may be confidential, be protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privileges, or constitute non-public information. It is intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by replying to this message and then delete it from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. ==========

We are searching for info on a Great Grandmother, Mary Jane Valte. The following is what we know: Mary Jane Forquer was born in 1835 and died in 1917 in Bentonville AR. John Milton Forquer and Mary Jane Valte were married in 1853 in Belleville, IL The 1900 and 1910 census shows that Mary Forquer was born in MO; her father born in Germany; and her mother born in France. Mary Jane Forquer's funeral home record shows: Father: Valty born in France Mother: Vastrey (? writing not clear) born in Germany The family story is that her Mother's name was Duvall. If anyone knows anything about this family, we would really like to hear from you, as we have hit the brick wall. Thanks Fleta Forquer

No, No, No, No Best regards and Happy New Year to all listers Bill Streitz Shalimar, FL

Hello list. I am trying to find some information on Ella (Marose) Vollmer who was married to Harold O. Vollmer. Harold died in January 2003 and Ella nee Marose Vollmer is listed as his wife in the obituary. I believe she is deceased. Any help will be appreciated. Bill Marose in Georgia. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square

The archives are there so you will never need to miss a thing! Just go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-STLOUIS-METRO to access the archives sorted by date Or if you want to search them by topic go to http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO I don't think we will ever resolve how anyone should pronounce a names of the state, streets, etc. But I think we can all agree we loved the variety of answers that came through on this topic. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 8:10 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Season's Greetings > I have been off the mailing list for 8 days. Have I missed anything? > Do we now know how to pronounce Gravois and Gratiot? Has Jim found his > long lost relatives??? Has the 1890 St. Louis census been found buried > in the bowels of some government office?? > > Georgia > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO > >

I have been off the mailing list for 8 days. Have I missed anything? Do we now know how to pronounce Gravois and Gratiot? Has Jim found his long lost relatives??? Has the 1890 St. Louis census been found buried in the bowels of some government office?? Georgia