My cousin, Nehemiah Nixon has been so busy, that his mailbox is full and I'm getting my forwarded emails to him returned. Just thought you'd all like to know how busy my cousin NEHEMIAH NIXON is, over there at the BIG COURTHOUSE in JEFFERSON CITY. So, in case YOU are also trying to write to my cousin, NEHEMIAH "Jay" NIXON, you might get your email back. Lisa Farrand Kemp "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html Rootsweb Posting http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay

Hey all, I have an extract from a Ancestry CD for Italians to America (arrivals in early 1890, 1891 before Ellis Island). It has my gr grandmother's name, ship name, date of arrival, destination New York, along with a manifest number. I also have the entry for my other gr grandmother with her 3 oldests sons, and date of entry to New York, with final destination set for St. Louis. But I do not have the ship name, as it was not listed, but it did have the manifest number. If I write to the National Archives, could they possibly get me a real copy of the ship manifests? Is the name of the ship necessary, or is the manifest number with date of arrival OK. If so, what is the cost? Has anyone done this before? If so, how long does it take? Is this something that I could get by visiting the National Archives center in Chicago, or is it best to contact the "big house" in Wash DC? As you can see, I have not done this before, just dealt with Ellis Island for other relatives. Sharon Bognar Reif

http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/manif/annot.htm http://www.infa.abo.fi/~fredrik/sships/register-chronologic.html http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/ http://www.immigrantships.net/ these links may be of some help to you Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <SReif1956@comcast.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Getting Manifest Copy > Hey all, > > I have an extract from a Ancestry CD for Italians to America (arrivals in early 1890, 1891 before Ellis Island). It has my gr grandmother's name, ship name, date of arrival, destination New York, along with a manifest number. > > I also have the entry for my other gr grandmother with her 3 oldests sons, and date of entry to New York, with final destination set for St. Louis. But I do not have the ship name, as it was not listed, but it did have the manifest number. > > If I write to the National Archives, could they possibly get me a real copy of the ship manifests? Is the name of the ship necessary, or is the manifest number with date of arrival OK. If so, what is the cost? Has anyone done this before? If so, how long does it take? Is this something that I could get by visiting the National Archives center in Chicago, or is it best to contact the "big house" in Wash DC? > > As you can see, I have not done this before, just dealt with Ellis Island for other relatives. > > Sharon Bognar Reif > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > >

For divorces try: Civil Courts Building 10 North Tucker Blvd St Louis, MO 63101 Telephone: 1-314-641-8309 Cathy Grillo is the records manager and appears to have no help. I was able to get copies of 1920 through 1946 divorces of my Brashers and McQuillens. Service is not lightening quick. I ordered a divorce for Bow Wow McQ three years ago and am still waiting, my grand Dad, Henry James, and Mabel Vie in 1920 only took three weeks.----Jim

Dear Sharon, There is information about where to inquire about divorce records (as well as other records) on Dave Lossos' website for St. Louis Genealogy: http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/dluseful.htm The St. Louis Public Library has indices for marriages in ST. Louis but it seems that not all marriages that took place in a Catholic Church show up on the index. At least that has been my experience recently. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm Click on item # 5 to see what is available and # 13 to email the library ( Reference Desk). Georgia SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: > Hi, > > I learned that my grandfather was married once before he married my grandmother in 1924. I even have a photo of the "happy couple" that was taken in St. Louis, so I was told. But, here's the dilemma. Most of the members of my family think that Grandpa did not divorce this woman. They were told that she simply did not like living away from her home and parents, so he "sent her packing", and was never heard from again. > > I have not yet found a wedding date from church records, but I am ordering a few films from St. Stephens of Hungary and St. Mary of Victories (since these were the Hungarian parishes of the time). Is there a city index of divorces on file with the clerk's office? I was wondering if just maybe there was one that I could cut some time off my research. > > The story goes that when my grandmother was told that she was to die of cancer, the visiting priest said that she needed to renounce my grandfather for his first "unholy" marriage. She refused (but rumor has it that she did rip up her marriage license to Grandpa in a fit of rage one day). He asked if she had attended mass every Sunday. She said that she spent all her time through the years getting the 10 kids ready for mass, she did not have time for herself, but prayed at home. The priest told her that she would go to hell for these decisions of hers. She replied, "Father, I'll see you there!". > > So, you see, I'd really like to know if dear Grandpa deserved this kind of insensitive thinking. I'd like to think that he had the good sense to get a legal separation from this woman. But I do not know whether they even got married in a church, although this woman is decked out in a fine wedding gown in the photo. I do not want to mention her name for her privacy, but it is known to the family. > > In the early 1920s what were the rules in St. Louis for divorces and separations? Could you just walk away from a marriage, even if it only lasted a few months? Lots of questions to ask and research to do here. > > Would appreciate anyone's knowledge in this area. Thanks, > > Sharon Bognar Reif > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm

Divorce records are public domain - u can get a copy - possibly they were not married in a church - so they considered they weren't really married. But since the priest said what he did to your grandmother, it rather sounds like they were - and of course they would not have recognized the divorce then. Or maybe he married this woman in another church - not Catholic - which would make it an "unholy" marriage. Check the city records for a marriage date too - then track the priest or minister back to a church thru Directory records. If you do not find a divorce or annulment in St. Louis records, I would find out where this woman was from, if you can. Maybe she got one there. And wouldn't it be interesting to talk to her family and get their side of the story??

Hi, I learned that my grandfather was married once before he married my grandmother in 1924. I even have a photo of the "happy couple" that was taken in St. Louis, so I was told. But, here's the dilemma. Most of the members of my family think that Grandpa did not divorce this woman. They were told that she simply did not like living away from her home and parents, so he "sent her packing", and was never heard from again. I have not yet found a wedding date from church records, but I am ordering a few films from St. Stephens of Hungary and St. Mary of Victories (since these were the Hungarian parishes of the time). Is there a city index of divorces on file with the clerk's office? I was wondering if just maybe there was one that I could cut some time off my research. The story goes that when my grandmother was told that she was to die of cancer, the visiting priest said that she needed to renounce my grandfather for his first "unholy" marriage. She refused (but rumor has it that she did rip up her marriage license to Grandpa in a fit of rage one day). He asked if she had attended mass every Sunday. She said that she spent all her time through the years getting the 10 kids ready for mass, she did not have time for herself, but prayed at home. The priest told her that she would go to hell for these decisions of hers. She replied, "Father, I'll see you there!". So, you see, I'd really like to know if dear Grandpa deserved this kind of insensitive thinking. I'd like to think that he had the good sense to get a legal separation from this woman. But I do not know whether they even got married in a church, although this woman is decked out in a fine wedding gown in the photo. I do not want to mention her name for her privacy, but it is known to the family. In the early 1920s what were the rules in St. Louis for divorces and separations? Could you just walk away from a marriage, even if it only lasted a few months? Lots of questions to ask and research to do here. Would appreciate anyone's knowledge in this area. Thanks, Sharon Bognar Reif

Hi Laura: I just saw your 24 Apr 2002 RootsWeb note on Germans in StL archive. Surprised I missed it. Just a flyer - I've been looking for the remnants of the Johann Hermann Ritter clan. He went by Hermann John. The family lived at 2939 Manchester and later at 3007 Manchester through 1900 then disppeared. He was a butcher in St. Louis and once had two shops, one at 3221Olive. He was born 1834 in Hannover. One of his daughters was my grandmother (Minnie). Sibs were John (dec 1877), (K) or Catherine, William H., Edward, Lillie, Ida, Carrie (?) and Adele who were all born in 1861-1882 frame. I have not been able to find any of the brothers nor sisters - nor their children.

My most sincere, humble, yet frustrated apologies. I needed to vent and all you smart people were the first ones I thought of. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Please no spam or virus discussions on list > Please, if you need computer help, use the rootsweb lists set up for that... > They can be found under the message boards, general topics. > > Or, if you want to discuss spam filters etc, please do so off list. > > If there is a general list issue, like what occurred with AOL recently I will alert the entire list. > I only do that when Listowners as a whole is seeing a global issue. > > Lets use this list for genealogy as it is intended to be used. > > Thanks! > > Laura

Please, if you need computer help, use the rootsweb lists set up for that... They can be found under the message boards, general topics. Or, if you want to discuss spam filters etc, please do so off list. If there is a general list issue, like what occurred with AOL recently I will alert the entire list. I only do that when Listowners as a whole is seeing a global issue. Lets use this list for genealogy as it is intended to be used. Thanks! Laura

I use Mailwasher also, at least it alerts you to the spam and you can delete before you load your mail to your computer. I was told about Mailwasher from one of this lists members and I think it is really a great tool! Gina -----Original Message----- From: Bill and Lisa Kemp [mailto:wjkljk.kemp@att.net] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 9:03 AM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] Block Sender I use Spam Blocker at the AT&T level, and Mailwasher here on my box. The problem is they've gotten smarter and send them out with a different name & addy, or with a different variation of the same topic and all that gobbildy-goop in the message field, and they hide the "dirty words" with things that L%K like the the word - What a waste of time - I have to share this computer with 4 other people, and my time is so limited and I spend all my time reblocking, unsubscribing, and now copying and sending to the Attorney General. Lisa > On the task bar on top--Outlook Express, there is a Message button. > Click that and go down to the Block sender's task and click on that > with the offending mail on screen. That should bounce any subsequent > messages from that sender back to them. > > Worth a try. ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.

I have AOL too and experienced no problems that I am aware of...and the anti-spam thing on AOL is working wonderfully these days...I have cut down from about 50 per day to maybe 2 or 3.

List: Looking for a William Fisher (americanized "Fischer"). He was a grocer at 9th & Carr in the early 1850s. and was from Hannover. Guess of birth is 1810s This is a recent find for me. My g-grand worked in his store when he arrived in StL in 1854. Never knew what his StL connection was. Found a longshot - William Fischer connected to the old Chouteau Mansion at 7th & Market as a restraunteur in the early 1860s. This isn't far from 9th & Carr but everything was fairly close then. Ironically, I know about the Fischer family in Hannover but not the StL Fisher's. Thanks Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ

I have AOL they are having problems in the St.Louis Area.I was offline for 2days.

Hi I, too, wonder what happened to the anti-spam law. It does seem clear that it was rushed to prevent California's much stricter law that was to go into effect 01 Jan; that law would have required spam only by prior approval. Spam Assassin intercepts about 300 messages per day for me and I still have about 50 getting thru. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks

I use Spam Blocker at the AT&T level, and Mailwasher here on my box. The problem is they've gotten smarter and send them out with a different name & addy, or with a different variation of the same topic and all that gobbildy-goop in the message field, and they hide the "dirty words" with things that L%K like the the word - What a waste of time - I have to share this computer with 4 other people, and my time is so limited and I spend all my time reblocking, unsubscribing, and now copying and sending to the Attorney General. Lisa > On the task bar on top--Outlook Express, there is a Message button. Click > that and go down to the Block sender's task and click on that with the > offending mail on screen. That should bounce any subsequent messages from > that sender back to them. > > Worth a try.

I found something interesting at the MO Attorney General's office website: You can ADVISE A SPAMMER by email that you don't want their spam by REPLY and INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING AS A CC: NOSPAM@MOAGO.ORG IF the spammer doesn't include a "return address" or a way to unsubscribe, do this: FORWARD the original email (do NOT cut & paste) to the AG's office spamcomplaint@moago.org >From now on ALL spam must contain ADV: in the first 4 characters of the SUBJECT line. GO HERE for FAQ's: http://www.ago.state.mo.us/nospam/faqs.htm Lisa Farrand Kemp "Ecce pactum. Id cape aut id relinque" (That's the deal. Take it or leave it."

Yes, seems to infect most. On the task bar on top--Outlook Express, there is a Message button. Click that and go down to the Block sender's task and click on that with the offending mail on screen. That should bounce any subsequent messages from that sender back to them. Worth a try. Bill Houdek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Lisa Kemp" <wjkljk.kemp@att.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:37 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Unusual Amount of SPAM > Is anyone else getting bombarded by "ONLINE DEGREE" spam? > > What ever happened to the NO-SPAM law that was supposed to take effect, much like > the NO-CALL list? > > Out of 25 emails today, 13 of them were for ONLINE DEGREE. There was NO > UNSUBSCRIBE, and when I wanted to check out the UNSUBSCRIBE at the > website, it's defunct. > > I won't gross you all out about the REST of my spam: of 25 emails, only 3 > were real. I have Spam Blocker, but they're sent with so much clutter and emails > change everytime, so it's a never-ending battle. > > If you have info on the NO SPAM LAW, please share it with me (us). > > Thanks, > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" > http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html > > Rootsweb Posting > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm >

Is anyone else getting bombarded by "ONLINE DEGREE" spam? What ever happened to the NO-SPAM law that was supposed to take effect, much like the NO-CALL list? Out of 25 emails today, 13 of them were for ONLINE DEGREE. There was NO UNSUBSCRIBE, and when I wanted to check out the UNSUBSCRIBE at the website, it's defunct. I won't gross you all out about the REST of my spam: of 25 emails, only 3 were real. I have Spam Blocker, but they're sent with so much clutter and emails change everytime, so it's a never-ending battle. If you have info on the NO SPAM LAW, please share it with me (us). Thanks, Lisa Farrand Kemp "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html Rootsweb Posting http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay

Lisa, I too have been wondering what happened to the law regarding spam - I average over 50 spams per day. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Lisa Kemp" <wjkljk.kemp@att.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:37 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Unusual Amount of SPAM > Is anyone else getting bombarded by "ONLINE DEGREE" spam? > > What ever happened to the NO-SPAM law that was supposed to take effect, much like > the NO-CALL list? > > Out of 25 emails today, 13 of them were for ONLINE DEGREE. There was NO > UNSUBSCRIBE, and when I wanted to check out the UNSUBSCRIBE at the > website, it's defunct. > > I won't gross you all out about the REST of my spam: of 25 emails, only 3 > were real. I have Spam Blocker, but they're sent with so much clutter and emails > change everytime, so it's a never-ending battle. > > If you have info on the NO SPAM LAW, please share it with me (us). > > Thanks, > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" > http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html > > Rootsweb Posting > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >