<A HREF="http://www.teamster.org/about/history.htm">The Teamster Century</A> http://www.teamster.org/about/history.html The above link chronicles the Teamsters and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters. This site should give you a better understanding of the union and how it became such an important part of America. Gloria

My Uncle "Bow" loved the Teamsters.----Jim

Georgia, Jimmy Hoffa? Nah! But, see, that's what I mean.....exactly what is a Teamster's Union? A Union for people who deliver goods????? Someone mentioned in one of their emails that they had a family member that hauled coal. My ggggrandfather was a teamster and hauled coal. It also says that he worked on his own account. My father says to me "Yeah, we even had a TEAMSTER in our family." But, what was the big deal about that? So, my 3rd great had his own coal hauling company and was a teamster??? Am I reading to much into the big hype with being a Teamster? Michelle

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/teamster Teamster Definition: [n] someone who drives a truck as an occupation [n] the driver of a team of horses doing hauling www.dictionary.com teamster n. One who drives a truck for hauling loads, especially as an occupation. One who drives a team. -----Original Message----- From: Muesic1@aol.com [mailto:Muesic1@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 9:06 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Definition of Teamster Georgia, Jimmy Hoffa? Nah! But, see, that's what I mean.....exactly what is a Teamster's Union? A Union for people who deliver goods????? Someone mentioned in one of their emails that they had a family member that hauled coal. My ggggrandfather was a teamster and hauled coal. It also says that he worked on his own account. My father says to me "Yeah, we even had a TEAMSTER in our family." But, what was the big deal about that? So, my 3rd great had his own coal hauling company and was a teamster??? Am I reading to much into the big hype with being a Teamster? Michelle ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm

I think teamster refers to a driver, used to be of horses, then of trucks...

I, too, don't understand what a confidential marriage would be in that it would not be legally recorded.

I have several machinist folks who showed up as teamsters in census records for the 1800s. These folks came from glassmaking families and used the machines to do things that supported the glassmaking industry. They were not glass blowers or cutters or carpenters but were listed as teamsters. I don't know if that helps or confuses it more! Laura PS: I am so glad Michelle is back! She really has a lot to offer! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Muesic1@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:07 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Definition of Teamster > Hello everyone! > I have a couple of weeks off work, so I rejoined the list and am trying to > get a little of my genealogy paperwork taken care of. My question is....what is > a teamster? Of course, the dictionary says "one who drives a team for > hauling cargo". But, this can't be the "end all" to the definition. There has to > be more. That definition leads me to believe that it was some horses that were > pulling a carriage. So....after cars, there was no more use of the term > "teamster"? I thought that the term "teamster" was also used in connection with > another, darker <smile> side of life? Mobsters or something? > > Can anyone enlighten me? > > TIA! > Michelle > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. >

Dear Michelle, When you think of something darker in connection with the teamsters, would the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa (president of the Teamsters Union at one time) up here in the Detroit area ring a bell? Or Robert Kennedy's investigation which led to Hoffa being sent to prison in the '60s. I think the Teamsters have been under government supervision for some time because of corruption. Believe it is generally assumed that the Mafia was responsible for Hoffa's disappearance. Another former president of the Teamsters-Dave Beck-was also sent to prison. Cars replaced carriages which were pulled by horses but the driver was generally referred to as a hackman I believe. The occupation of one of the people I am researching was that of a hack. Teamsters deliver goods and modern date teamsters drive trucks instead of having a team of horses. Georgia Muesic1@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone! > I have a couple of weeks off work, so I rejoined the list and am trying to > get a little of my genealogy paperwork taken care of. My question is....what is > a teamster? Of course, the dictionary says "one who drives a team for > hauling cargo". But, this can't be the "end all" to the definition. There has to > be more. That definition leads me to believe that it was some horses that were > pulling a carriage. So....after cars, there was no more use of the term > "teamster"? I thought that the term "teamster" was also used in connection with > another, darker <smile> side of life? Mobsters or something? > > Can anyone enlighten me? > > TIA! > Michelle > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

My grandfather drove a truck for Texaco in the early 1900's with a two horse team. A few years later he drove trucks for Texaco when they discontinued using horses for delieveries. He referred to his occupation as a "teamster". iIn the 1930's he did become a member of the Teamsters. He drove for Texaco for over 30 years until he died a from appendicitis in 1939 at age 57. I have posted pictures of both trucks on Scott William's. "History's Time Portals to Old St. Louis" http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/yeckel-bussiness.htm Joan Schaller Yeckel

I have run across the word "teamster" used in connection with driving horses, oxen and other draft animals, as well as its modern use for truckers and other freight haulers. I once ran across a reference to railways, but in context I thought it was a mistaken use by the author, though possibly someone else on the list knows more about that angle . . . ? Best of luck with your research! Regards, Cori ----- Original Message ----- From: <Muesic1@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Definition of Teamster > Hello everyone! > I have a couple of weeks off work, so I rejoined the list and am trying to > get a little of my genealogy paperwork taken care of. My question is....what is > a teamster? Of course, the dictionary says "one who drives a team for > hauling cargo". But, this can't be the "end all" to the definition. There has to > be more. That definition leads me to believe that it was some horses that were > pulling a carriage. So....after cars, there was no more use of the term > "teamster"? I thought that the term "teamster" was also used in connection with > another, darker <smile> side of life? Mobsters or something? > > Can anyone enlighten me? > > TIA! > Michelle > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. >

In case any listers didn't get this, here is a link to an article in Family Tree Magazine about the upcoming GENTECH conference in St. Louis, with some excellent links both for genealogical research and general interest in St. Louis. http://www.familytreemagazine.com/articles/feb04/stlouis.html Best to all, Cori ----- Original Message ----- From: <LTBoehmke@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 10:31 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Confidential marriage > Hello, Ellen, > > Could you or perhaps someone familiar with marriage laws and records help us > understand "confidential" marriages where NO record is made? > > I have one set of grandparents for whom I cannot seem to find a marriage > record after trying various churches, both Protestant and Catholic. They would > have been married about 1848. Checking in Oberfranken, Bavaria, from which they > came, is hampered by the fact that I don't know her village. They were not > married in his village. LaVerne > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. >

How much information is available on burials in the defunct Rock Springs Cemetery? I found the name of a possible ancestor (Patrick Magee) in Ancestry.com, but I do not see him moved to Calvary as so many others were when it opened. What's the scoop? Does anyone know? Many thanks. Katherine Smith

Hello everyone! I have a couple of weeks off work, so I rejoined the list and am trying to get a little of my genealogy paperwork taken care of. My question is....what is a teamster? Of course, the dictionary says "one who drives a team for hauling cargo". But, this can't be the "end all" to the definition. There has to be more. That definition leads me to believe that it was some horses that were pulling a carriage. So....after cars, there was no more use of the term "teamster"? I thought that the term "teamster" was also used in connection with another, darker <smile> side of life? Mobsters or something? Can anyone enlighten me? TIA! Michelle

Hello, Ellen, Could you or perhaps someone familiar with marriage laws and records help us understand "confidential" marriages where NO record is made? I have one set of grandparents for whom I cannot seem to find a marriage record after trying various churches, both Protestant and Catholic. They would have been married about 1848. Checking in Oberfranken, Bavaria, from which they came, is hampered by the fact that I don't know her village. They were not married in his village. LaVerne

Hi Everyone, This seems to be sparking some interest, so I thought I would let everybody know what St. Louis Public Library has in the way of passenger records, fees, turnaround time, etc. We have Passenger List _Indexes_ for: Baltimore, 1820-1897 (Federal lists) Baltimore, 1833-1866 (City Lists) Boston, 1848-1891 New York, 1820-1846 & 1897-1943 Philadelphia, 1800-1906 New Orleans, 1853-1899 Atlantic & Gulf Ports (inc. add'l New Orleans) 1820-1874 We have Passenger Lists (Manifests) for: Baltimore, 1820-1891 Boston, 1820-1891 New York, 1820-approx. 1904 (we are constantly adding to this set - I'm not sure what the most recent order takes us up to) Philadelphia, 1800-1882 New Orleans, 1813-1902 (inc. Federal and City lists) Misc. Atlantic, Gulf, Great Lakes 1820-1873 We will be happy to check the indexes for you (or Germans/Italians/Russians etc. to America) or other appropriate sources, and then check the passenger lists if the person is found. For the National Archives Federal passenger list indexes, some are soundexed and some are alphabetical. We will also check the Passenger Lists (manifests) if you have a date of arrival and ship name already from another source. We charge $1.00 for postage, plus $.25/page for copies. You do not need to send money in advance; an invoice is enclosed with the copies. To make requests, you can email me directly, or email our WebRef service at mailto:webref@slpl.lib.mo.us . Please let me know if you need any further information. Happy 2004! Sincerely, Kathleen J. Smith Librarian, History & Genealogy St. Louis Public Library -----Original Message----- From: SReif1956@comcast.net [mailto:SReif1956@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:32 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] Getting Manifest Copy Hey all, I have an extract from a Ancestry CD for Italians to America (arrivals in early 1890, 1891 before Ellis Island). It has my gr grandmother's name, ship name, date of arrival, destination New York, along with a manifest number. I also have the entry for my other gr grandmother with her 3 oldests sons, and date of entry to New York, with final destination set for St. Louis. But I do not have the ship name, as it was not listed, but it did have the manifest number. If I write to the National Archives, could they possibly get me a real copy of the ship manifests? Is the name of the ship necessary, or is the manifest number with date of arrival OK. If so, what is the cost? Has anyone done this before? If so, how long does it take? Is this something that I could get by visiting the National Archives center in Chicago, or is it best to contact the "big house" in Wash DC? As you can see, I have not done this before, just dealt with Ellis Island for other relatives. Sharon Bognar Reif ______________________________

Hi, Ellen I am interested in your note about a civil marriage being blessed. Can you expand on that? I may have a couple who fit into this category. They raised all their children as Catholic. But they were married by a Justice of the Peace. It was 1879 when the civil marriage took place. I think others on the list may also like more info on this if you have it. Thanks! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <enalibof@netscape.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Finding possible divorce records > > > Some of the pre-Vatican II Church laws that were in effect may account for some of the issues you are encountering. > The marriages contracted civilly would have had a license. Civil marriages could be "blessed" and appear in the sacramental register of the parish for the date of the church sacrament. There has always been "confidential" marriage in which no public record is generated. That remains true today in California. > Ellen > > > > > > > > > Georgia Clark <georgia@corpsie.com> wrote: > > >Dear Sharon, > > > >There is information about where to inquire about divorce records (as well as other records) on Dave Lossos' website for St. Louis Genealogy: > > > >http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/dluseful.htm > > > >The St. Louis Public Library has indices for marriages in ST. Louis but it seems that not all marriages that took place in a Catholic Church show up on the index. At least that has been my experience recently. > > > >http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm > > > >Click on item # 5 to see what is available and # 13 to email the library ( Reference Desk). > > > >Georgia > > > >SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I learned that my grandfather was married once before he married my grandmother in 1924. I even have a photo of the "happy couple" that was taken in St. Louis, so I was told. But, here's the dilemma. Most of the members of my family think that Grandpa did not divorce this woman. They were told that she simply did not like living away from her home and parents, so he "sent her packing", and was never heard from again. > >> > >> I have not yet found a wedding date from church records, but I am ordering a few films from St. Stephens of Hungary and St. Mary of Victories (since these were the Hungarian parishes of the time). Is there a city index of divorces on file with the clerk's office? I was wondering if just maybe there was one that I could cut some time off my research. > >> > >> The story goes that when my grandmother was told that she was to die of cancer, the visiting priest said that she needed to renounce my grandfather for his first "unholy" marriage. She refused (but rumor has it that she did rip up her marriage license to Grandpa in a fit of rage one day). He asked if she had attended mass every Sunday. She said that she spent all her time through the years getting the 10 kids ready for mass, she did not have time for herself, but prayed at home. The priest told her that she would go to hell for these decisions of hers. She replied, "Father, I'll see you there!". > >> > >> So, you see, I'd really like to know if dear Grandpa deserved this kind of insensitive thinking. I'd like to think that he had the good sense to get a legal separation from this woman. But I do not know whether they even got married in a church, although this woman is decked out in a fine wedding gown in the photo. I do not want to mention her name for her privacy, but it is known to the family. > >> > >> In the early 1920s what were the rules in St. Louis for divorces and separations? Could you just walk away from a marriage, even if it only lasted a few months? Lots of questions to ask and research to do here. > >> > >> Would appreciate anyone's knowledge in this area. Thanks, > >> > >> Sharon Bognar Reif > >> > >> ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > >> For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm > > > > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > >To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Thank you for using Netscape. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm >

Go to Ellis Island Data Base, find your target and look at the manifest. The original paper copies were microfilmed, then given to the Balch Institute who then transcribed and published the data. You can either order the copy of the microfilm from Ellis Island site for $25.00/sheet (remember that each manifest is 2 pages), order the microfilm copy from NARA (don't depend on finding the NY port arrivals at the Chicago branch), order the microfilm from the Family History Library and do it yourself at the local Family History Center ($3.75) if that facility is available in your locality, Request to Photocopy the pages by following the instructions on the form of that title ($4.00 min plus $2.00/page). Good luck, Ellen SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: >Hey all, > >I have an extract from a Ancestry CD for Italians to America (arrivals in early 1890, 1891 before Ellis Island). It has my gr grandmother's name, ship name, date of arrival, destination New York, along with a manifest number. > >I also have the entry for my other gr grandmother with her 3 oldests sons, and date of entry to New York, with final destination set for St. Louis. But I do not have the ship name, as it was not listed, but it did have the manifest number. > >If I write to the National Archives, could they possibly get me a real copy of the ship manifests? Is the name of the ship necessary, or is the manifest number with date of arrival OK. If so, what is the cost? Has anyone done this before? If so, how long does it take? Is this something that I could get by visiting the National Archives center in Chicago, or is it best to contact the "big house" in Wash DC? > >As you can see, I have not done this before, just dealt with Ellis Island for other relatives. > >Sharon Bognar Reif > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > > __________________________________________________________________ Thank you for using Netscape.

Some of the pre-Vatican II Church laws that were in effect may account for some of the issues you are encountering. The marriages contracted civilly would have had a license. Civil marriages could be "blessed" and appear in the sacramental register of the parish for the date of the church sacrament. There has always been "confidential" marriage in which no public record is generated. That remains true today in California. Ellen Georgia Clark <georgia@corpsie.com> wrote: >Dear Sharon, > >There is information about where to inquire about divorce records (as well as other records) on Dave Lossos' website for St. Louis Genealogy: > >http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/dluseful.htm > >The St. Louis Public Library has indices for marriages in ST. Louis but it seems that not all marriages that took place in a Catholic Church show up on the index. At least that has been my experience recently. > >http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm > >Click on item # 5 to see what is available and # 13 to email the library ( Reference Desk). > >Georgia > >SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I learned that my grandfather was married once before he married my grandmother in 1924. I even have a photo of the "happy couple" that was taken in St. Louis, so I was told. But, here's the dilemma. Most of the members of my family think that Grandpa did not divorce this woman. They were told that she simply did not like living away from her home and parents, so he "sent her packing", and was never heard from again. >> >> I have not yet found a wedding date from church records, but I am ordering a few films from St. Stephens of Hungary and St. Mary of Victories (since these were the Hungarian parishes of the time). Is there a city index of divorces on file with the clerk's office? I was wondering if just maybe there was one that I could cut some time off my research. >> >> The story goes that when my grandmother was told that she was to die of cancer, the visiting priest said that she needed to renounce my grandfather for his first "unholy" marriage. She refused (but rumor has it that she did rip up her marriage license to Grandpa in a fit of rage one day). He asked if she had attended mass every Sunday. She said that she spent all her time through the years getting the 10 kids ready for mass, she did not have time for herself, but prayed at home. The priest told her that she would go to hell for these decisions of hers. She replied, "Father, I'll see you there!". >> >> So, you see, I'd really like to know if dear Grandpa deserved this kind of insensitive thinking. I'd like to think that he had the good sense to get a legal separation from this woman. But I do not know whether they even got married in a church, although this woman is decked out in a fine wedding gown in the photo. I do not want to mention her name for her privacy, but it is known to the family. >> >> In the early 1920s what were the rules in St. Louis for divorces and separations? Could you just walk away from a marriage, even if it only lasted a few months? Lots of questions to ask and research to do here. >> >> Would appreciate anyone's knowledge in this area. Thanks, >> >> Sharon Bognar Reif >> >> ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >> For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindess, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.RAOGK.org. > > __________________________________________________________________ Thank you for using Netscape.

Dear Sharon, The St. Louis Public Library has passenger lists and indices. I just received a copy of one the records that I requested. I did have the ship's name and date of arrival. Cost was $1.00 for postage and$0.25 per page and there were three pages. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm Click on #5 for lists of what the library has and then go back and click on "Reference Desk" to email your request. They should be able to get at least one of your records, maybe even the other. Georgia SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: > Hey all, > > I have an extract from a Ancestry CD for Italians to America (arrivals in early 1890, 1891 before Ellis Island). It has my gr grandmother's name, ship name, date of arrival, destination New York, along with a manifest number. > > I also have the entry for my other gr grandmother with her 3 oldests sons, and date of entry to New York, with final destination set for St. Louis. But I do not have the ship name, as it was not listed, but it did have the manifest number. > > If I write to the National Archives, could they possibly get me a real copy of the ship manifests? Is the name of the ship necessary, or is the manifest number with date of arrival OK. If so, what is the cost? Has anyone done this before? If so, how long does it take? Is this something that I could get by visiting the National Archives center in Chicago, or is it best to contact the "big house" in Wash DC? > > As you can see, I have not done this before, just dealt with Ellis Island for other relatives. > > Sharon Bognar Reif > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

its not Jeremiah? Or am I on the outside of a joke? R. Emmett McAuliffe > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill and Lisa Kemp [mailto:wjkljk.kemp@att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:00 AM > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [StL-Metro] My Busy Cousin > > > My cousin, Nehemiah Nixon has been so busy, that his mailbox > is full and I'm getting my forwarded > emails to him returned. Just thought you'd all like to know > how busy my cousin NEHEMIAH > NIXON is, over there at the BIG COURTHOUSE in JEFFERSON CITY. > > So, in case YOU are also trying to write to my cousin, > NEHEMIAH "Jay" NIXON, you might > get your email back. > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" > http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html > > Rootsweb Posting > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want > to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: > http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and > http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >