It's about time. Isn't there any way that could be speeded up? Pretty important resource. Where are the SLGS volunteers? What about the Globe and other papers?? Not trying to be ungrateful but I am always surprised at how neglected our Obit resources are. Maybe it's because all the "pros" already have them. But having obits has launched a lot of newbies like myself into the exciting world of genealogy. R. Emmett McAuliffe > -----Original Message----- > From: Georgia Clark [mailto:georgia@corpsie.com] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:17 PM > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [StL-Metro] Post-Dispatch Obit Index at SLPL > > > I think that the list has been updated. Now has 1922. > > http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing > List at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO -STLOUIS-METRO

I think that the list has been updated. Now has 1922. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm

The following are excerps from several letters involving a Leo W. Devereux - missing in action in WWI - written by Celeste O'Donnell to her sister Rosalie O'Donnell overseas: November 25th, 1918 "Oh, by the way, I am enclosing a note from Nell Stead, in which she mentions the name of a young man, related to some friend of hers, of whom his people seem to be unable to get any trace, and she thought possibly in some way you might be able to secure information regarding him; if you cannot yourself, or you can turn the letter over to someone who would be in position to handle it." [Leo W. Devereux] Monday - January 6th 1919 "Oh! while I think of it! the Devereux's have heard nothing from their brother Leo since long before the armistice was signed and as he had always written regularly prior to that time, they are, of course, terribly alarmed - being unable to secure any information from any source whatsoever. He was with the 101st. Infantry, Co. F., and his name is Leo W. Devereux. They thought probably he had been taken prisoner and I thought possibly you might be able to get some record of him if that is the case." Monday - February 17th [1919] "You remember my speaking to you about Leo Devereux not being heard from since just about the time of the armistice? Well, his family received a letter from the captain of his company, saying he "was missing in action", so it looks as if there is no hope for him because if he were taken prisoner surely by now they would have had a word from him - as I assume from what you have said and from what I've read that all prison camps in Germany have been cleaned out; if they have not released all the prisoners, believe me I'd be taking a little bunch of soldiers and give them a few lessons on how to "efficiently release Americans" and they'd not want the second lesson." From Rosalie O'Donnel to her sister Celeste: Berne, Switzerland, April 1 1919 "Had a letter from Nell Staed telling me the boy about whom she had written is no doubt dead." Celeste to Rosalie: Monday - April 28th, 1919 ""Sunday I was at home all day while Aunt Jule [Julia (Delany) McGinnis] went over to Webb's for tea and to see Arthur who had just arrived home that mornng. He looks splendid, put on twenty-five pounds and was certainly fortunate to have had the trip - for, as you probably remember, he sailed just about the time you did - arriving in England just before the armistice was signed. He was placed with a New England Division, their crowd being used as replacement troops and he says he was "almost persuaded to re-enlist for a sort of permanent "army of occupation", but he thought better of it and his Mother "heartily agreed" that it was wise for him to have "reconsidered". It was very hard when he went down to see the Devereux family (Mrs. Devereux being a relative of Mrs. Webb) as they have just received official confirmation of the death or "Missing in action" of Leo Devereux on October 31st., so short a time before the signing of the armistice - the great pity of it - at that time one would say an unnecessary sacrifice - that he should have held out almost to the end and then be taken; then, too, another thing that makes it particularly hard for him is that he was rejected from the very outbreak of the war in every branch in which he tried to enlist - the First and Fifth Regiments, the Hospital Unit and the Marines, he never having been a very strong boy and the reason given for rejecting him being that his kidneys were affected - and then last summer was taken in the draft and, of course, went through just as much and stood as much as would have been required of him had they accepted him when he tried to enlist." Friday, May 23rd, 1919 "Last night Uncle George [George Delany] was out to dine with us; he is looking and feeling pretty good. Georgie [George Delany, Jr.] he says, seldom leaves the house in the evening - reads, reads all the time - and does very little talking, but that is what every one says about all the boys - they never talk unless it is just dragged out of them. Don't know whether I told you that the Devereux family received confirmation of the death of Leo - was wounded on October 26th, captured and taken to a German field hospital, where he died on the 31st, and I presume was buried within - what was at that time - the German line. At least there is some comfort in knowing that, and Alleen's [Alleen (Fox) Jarsemsky] aunt, Miss McKenna, who, you will remember, I told you was going to France and Switzerland for the firm and was going to try and look you up, intends if she has the opportunity to visit the village where he is reported to have been buried -- for it will be a great measure of comfort to his Mother and sisters and brothers to know that one of their connections said a prayer at his grave. Mrs. D. [Catherine Devereux] said, she would not ask for the removal of his body to this country - that he went over willingtly to fight - that just as willingly she knows he gave his life and that his body shall rest in the soil made sacred to them by his blood."

Georgia, Good for you! A couple years ago I submitted my own information and that for a good friend who had died of leukemia after the war. Then in 2001 I visited another old friend from college days and who I recalled was a Navy veteran, and got the info I needed from him and submitted his name, etc. to the Memorial. I encourage all living WW2 Veterans who haven't already submitted their names, etc. to do so as time is running out and your descendants might be proud to see old grandpa's or grandma's name, etc. in the memorial when they visit it with their kids. Also, you may want to send in the info for those who are no longer with us and whose kin aren't even aware of the WW2 Memorial. I haven't submitted a photo but seeing those who have find it very tempting -- for posterity, of course. If you want to see if a friend or relative is in the Registry go to: http://www.wwiimemorial.com/default.asp?page=registry.asp&subpage=intro You can also use the forenamed site to register some one. Georgia, my wife's name is also Georgia. Some people say, "Oh! That's so cute." Ha, ha! Cheers, George Ude down in South Middle Tennessee but born in St. Louis way back when. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:28 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] WWII online memorial > I cannot remember who was trying to enter his relatives to the WWII > site, but I submitted my Dad's last week or about 10 days ago and just > received confirmation that my entry is now online. When submitting your > deceased relative, use your address and email. > > http://www.wwiimemorial.com/ > > If you want to see my Dad's, do the search thing and put in the > following: > > Last Name Terns > First William > State Michigan > > > For $10.00, you can submit a photo which I am thinking of doing also. > Has anyone else done this? > > Georgia > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >

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Michelle graciously took over the admin duties for the list while I was out. A great big Thank You to her! I just finished reading the archives as I had stopped all my email while I was away for the past week. Which if you ever need to find them are located at: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L searchable archives: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L threaded archives to see listings by dates: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-STLOUIS-METRO Glad to see we have some new members. Welcome! I was at a convention where my Aunt Lorraine was given a lifetime achievement award. I found it very interesting that even companies and industry associations are starting to look at the contributions that their members have made over the years. My Aunt Lorraine had worked in the industry for 54 years. That is longer than I have been alive. It was really neat hearing the things she did. I got lots of great human interest stories to add to my genealogy about her. Look in unusual places and you may find some really interesting material on your family. This experience gave me the idea that company and industry awards may be a good place to look for information on people as there might be a news article or even text of a speech that exists. We had discussed some of the treasures you find in old school records and yearbooks. Joan Yeckel has recently posted some great data from an organization's roster from the mid 1900s. That was great information and I hope it helped some of you. If you have any material from 1925 or earlier we should not run into copyright issues and you can post it if you think it would help the list. Thanks again to Michelle for doing a great job as admin! Laura

I cannot remember who was trying to enter his relatives to the WWII site, but I submitted my Dad's last week or about 10 days ago and just received confirmation that my entry is now online. When submitting your deceased relative, use your address and email. http://www.wwiimemorial.com/ If you want to see my Dad's, do the search thing and put in the following: Last Name Terns First William State Michigan For $10.00, you can submit a photo which I am thinking of doing also. Has anyone else done this? Georgia

Just sending a test for my system. Thanks Sharon

In a letter written 2 October 1918 there was a "poorly" drawn picture of a rag man - it was a horse-drawn wagon with a man sitting on the front seat. My Great Aunt, Celeste O'Donnell had just seen her sister, Rosalie, off with the Red Cross to go overseas during WWI. "Roe - Dearest: - Well, the morning after! I hate tears, they make your eyes red, rub off the country air and one could not sell one's self to an R.M. [Rag Man] at any price. [The drawn picture of the rag man & horse] passed down the allen [sic] [alley] today at noon and I told him there would be no further business for him in that block since you had left; also, even tho' you left the tooth paste on the wash-stand with the top off, I'd be willing to have you back so I could call you down. It's funny what nice things people say about one when they are going or gone; several commented on how 'nice' you looked yesterday - I'd say it was due to the hat, the Jenne's would say it was due to the sweater and you'll say it was due to your own self - so we will let it go at that." Note: Celeste O'Donnell worked for Liggett & Myers Tobacco Co. and Rosalie O'Donnell had worked as a coal salesman before she joined the Red Cross.

My condolences. Pat in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Lisa Kemp" <wjkljk.kemp@att.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 7:45 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Today's Post Dispatch Obits > Yep. That's my Father-in-law, in Wednesday's obits. Robert "Bob" Kemp. > > He had the flu in December, and became jaundiced. After numerous tests, a CAT scan was ordered. That's when they found a cancerous mass in his pancreas. He'd had prostate cancer about 10 years ago. > > We're doing well, considering. So, all you Kemp, Gertken and Reichert cousins that are monitoring this site, we hope to see you at the Visitation tomorrow. > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" > http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html > > Rootsweb Posting > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay >

Yep. That's my Father-in-law, in Wednesday's obits. Robert "Bob" Kemp. He had the flu in December, and became jaundiced. After numerous tests, a CAT scan was ordered. That's when they found a cancerous mass in his pancreas. He'd had prostate cancer about 10 years ago. We're doing well, considering. So, all you Kemp, Gertken and Reichert cousins that are monitoring this site, we hope to see you at the Visitation tomorrow. Lisa Farrand Kemp "Farrand Families of Missouri and Illinois" http://pookie-baby.tripod.com/Farrand2000/index.html Rootsweb Posting http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=speshelkay

Somehow, I missed hearing about this Conference. In case you did too, a friend in CA e-mailed this info to me about an NGS 2004 Conference to be held in St. Louis Jan 22-24 (Th-Sat) at the Millennium Hotel. I live in St. Louis and had not heard about this conference. Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend but it sounds interesting. "NGS Gentech 2004 is designed for all genealogists interested in technology. You don't have to be a computer expert to attend; just recognize the excitement and versatility the electronic world has given to your research. The program features some of the best genealogists in the country, who will share their techniques, tips, and know-how. Each day is filled with a variety of topics at every skill level." You can read more about this program, registration, etc at their website. http://www.stlgs.org/gentech2004/ Karen

Dan Hogan: Try checking the Irish in St. Louis Surnames list here: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/surnames.html Many of the names you mention are on this list. I know the surnames list is difficult to view in Netscape, so if you have MS Explorer, use that as your first choice. Diane Shaw Hillsboro, MO

Anyone out there have any KINSELLA/TURNER/SWIFT? I have a Catherine M. TURNER, daughter of Michael J WALSH and Katherine MAHON. Katherine had a sister, Margaret SWIFT nee MAHON. Also have a Margaret KINSELLA, also daughter of the above couple. The parish associated with these people was/is St. Rose's Church, if this helps. Dan Hogan

Are there any list members who live in Troy Missouri?----Jim

Today while searching the St Louis pages at genealogy.com I came upon this message. Can anyone help? It sounds important and I had a friend back in the 1940s named David Jones who lived on Vista Avenue who I thought acted somewhat like a monkey or a wild Comanche. David if you find this message get in touch.----Jim ------------------------------------------------------------ Unusual Jones Family Posted by: Lynn Fredregill (ID *****1285) Date: July 16, 2002 at 10:03:17 of 1463 This is the story we got from GrGrpa Elec Jones with some info provided by my husband's mom. He was born in San Antonio, Texas. He didn't know his actual birthdate so he chose 1/1/1876. His father's name was Frank or Henry. His father owned a livery stable on a street behind the Alamo. Two cowboys came to the stable and an argument ensued. His father was killed in the argument. His mother; either Mary or Martha took his sisters (names unknown) and returned to her people (rumored to be Comanche). He and his brother became seperated and he never saw him again. He joined the Tx. 1st Cav in the Span-Amer War. He didn't know his last name so he used the same last name as the guy in front of him ... Jones. However, on his military records he lists a Andy Jones in Sherman, Tx. as who to notify in case of an emergency. His military records show he was born in St. Louis. He married Ella Olive Lewis from E. St. Louis. Her dad was Robert or Frank Lewis. Her mom was Hannah or Hanora Robbins. She had two brothers ... possibly Fred and Frank. Elec and Ella had Doris, Evelyn and Lenora. Elic and Edna worked in the circus and vaudeville across the country but Chicago, IL is most mentioned. Ella's stage name was Bonny (Bonnie?) LaTour. They supposedly were in the major circus train wreck that occured and also in a circus fire in Florida. In their show they had three monkeys (chimps) named Mags, Dinty Moore and uh (drat .. I forget the 3rd one). The monkeys babysat Lenora. About 1926 they came to Texas. Elec was a trader for a time with the Alabama-Coushatta and Leonora remembers a playmate named Baptiste from the reservation. I do not have the info at hand as to when Ella passed away but Elec passed away in Houston, Tx. on 1/17/51. He had been working at the stage entrance at the Houston Coliseum. His nickname was Doc. I swear .... it's exactly what we were told. If anyone sees anything familiar or can make any connection with anything in this story we would be most grateful.

Greetings, I am new to this list. Here is the info for the persons and surnames I seek. One note: I am not connected, that I know of, to the HOGAN Brothers Saloon/Store (I get this question a lot on other MO lists). Looking for: William C HOGAN born abt 1858, and Michael J HOGAN born abt 1860. Both brothers immigrated to US May, 1860 and ended up in St Louis, MO living in the home of one Patrick J O'MEARA and wife Julia COMMINS/CUMMINS both of Ireland. Patrick and Julia had a daughter, Margaret who wed one John J MULLALLY. Also living in the same home (1880's) were two other MULLALLY men and one John O'CONNOR. Michael J HOGAN was the foreman at the Anheuser-Busch estate, he was the horseshoer for the clydesdales. He wed Margaret WALSH of Alton, IL and had one surviving child, my grandfather, William J HOGAN born 1894 on the AB estate in St Louis. William C HOGAN wed Mary Jane O'CONNOR, daughter of one John O'CONNOR and Mary J KANE/KEANE, both born in Ireland. William and Mary had 8 daughters, 4 of which survived to have children; their surnames became CAHALIN, SEAVER, MILES, and WARDLE of St Louis. I have found some descendants of all except MILES. The above Margaret WALSH was the daughter of Michael J WALSH and Mary McDONALD both of Ireland. Their children were Margaret, Mary, John, James, and Michael. Mary wed one Mark JOHNSTON of St Louis, and Michael wed one Katherine MAHON? also of St Louis. This Katherine, according to family lore, was somehow related to Louisa FREDERICI, wife of William F "Buffalo Bill" CODY, but have not est. relationship. Michael WALSH worked for the street car service as some sort of security guard. Their children include Margaret KINSELLA, Catherine, and Francis (Frank). Dan Hogan

Does anyone have information about who Marie Louisa Watts parents might of been? She married Jean Baptiste Payant/PIant dit St. Onge in 1850 in St. Louis County. I have another Watts line from St. Louis County about that time, whom I am trying to link. thanks

List members, There's another article in today's Post-Dispatch that might be of interest to those who attended the Waring School on Compton Avenue. This school was sold to St. Louis University and will probably be torn down in the near future. SLU plans on building a basketball arena in this area. Isn't it interesting that Waring was one of the 16 schools just closed last summer? Just goes to show you that SLU usually gets what SLU wants. Gloria

List members, For anyone who is planning to come to St. Louis and who likes flowers, here is a little bit of history to mix with that passion. The Missouri Botanical (Shaw's) Garden is presenting a couple of displays that exhibit the variety of plants that Lewis & Clark saw during their historic trip 200 years ago - through 14 March 2004. You can get a free map called "The Lewis and Clark Plant Trail" that gives you a self guided tour of 27 plants that they would have encountered on their trip that are also on the grounds of the Gardens. There is an exhibit of 20 pressed plants "Plants of the Lewis and Clark Expedition" in the Ridgway Center on the Gardens' grounds. You can also purchase a book called "Common To This Country, Botanical Discoveries of Lewis & Clark" by Susan H. Munger - 128 pages, $22.95. The Missouri Historical Society has "Lewis & Clark: The National Bicentennial Exhibition" from this coming Wednesday through 6 Sep 2004 in their building at 5700 Lindell Blvd. This exhibit has 8 original plants from the expedition and other artifacts. [314-746-4599 for more information] This information was in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch today in the Lifestyle section on pages 24 & 25 with photos. Gloria