Don't know if this is him for sure: Dick Renna 12000 Deutschmann Ln Saint Louis, MO 63131-4009 Tel.: (314) 984-0508 Gina -----Original Message----- From: Jims505@aol.com [mailto:Jims505@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:14 PM To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [StL-Metro] The Big Band Era Dick Renna When Dick Renna, St. Louis Music legend, was asked about his biggest thrill in the world of professional musicians he replied a la Stan Musial style, "Just playing was a big thrill." He chuckled and added, "It was a big thrill getting a contract, too." A native St. Louisan, Renna grew up in South St. Louis by the Compton Hill Water Tower on Grand Avenue. His first musical instrument acquired at age 15 was an accordion. "All good Italian mothers wanted their sons to play the accordion," he explained. Renna and his good buddy Jack Whalen started entering all the amateur contests that were so big in the late '30s. Jackie sang while Dick played. "We almost always took first prize" said Dick with all due modesty." We even played at the old Garrick Theatre (a St. Louis burlesque house) when we were 18 or 19." Does anyone know if Dick Renna is still alive?----Jim ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.

Well, since my father-in-law just passed last Monday, I'd have to say him. I should have been more of a bulldog with him. That is my regret. We were sifting through his detritus on Sunday, and found things not even his WIFE (my MIL) knew about - what a freakin' waste of good history lost to the wind. He boxed in the army, he had his letters from his letter jacket when he played football for Wellston in '46-47, his graduation announcement, pictures taken with his army buds and a trophey none of us knows why they won it - pictures of Germany. . . I know it's not about ME - he's the one who died, it was my husband's father, but WHY would he not tell even one soul? I'm forever meeting relatives at FUNERALS and finding out all sorts of things after the fact and it hurts. It truly hurts me to think that the person didn't trust me enough with their history to just TELL me. This is my passion, just like others passion may be politics, or baking, or building things. Sorry - I'm still upset. Lisa Farrand Kemp "Interum faeces et urinam nascimur"

It's tough to pick just one..... My mother was the youngest of 14 children. Her parents had lived in 4 different states and had owned a restaurant in one state. She died when I was quite young. Sure wish I could have sat down and talked to her. On my dad's side....his father died at age 23 in a car crash on the Eads Bridge. He was adopted. Therefore, all the information that we have is for non-biological family. He's the only one that can request a copy of the birth records, and of course, he can't exactly do that! You know....all these "regrets" sure can help us focus on what we might have available to us now, in regards to family. I still have aunts and uncles who are alive and in their 70's. I need to grab a hold of their information while they are still here. But, like Laura said....sometimes they get it a little out of order, but, the nuts and bolts are still there in their stories and information. Two years ago I took my tape recorder to a family reunion. I talked with lots of relatives. Everyone thought that I was a crazy person. And you know, 3 of the people that I talked to are now deceased. Glad I took the chance and talked with them. Michelle

Up until the time I had my own children I was the youngest member of my Mom's side of the family. These were primarily German families with sprinkling of Swiss and Austrian. These are also the families I am having the most trouble tracking down. But I was young and they were old...I grew up with death. Someone died almost every year when I was a child. I was born in the 50s and many of these folks were born in the 1880s, 1890s, and early 1900s. They were fun to visit and play games with but history was not even in my vocabulary! I am finding out a huge amount about them and their lives (at least those that lived here in St.Louis) through reading lots and lots of microfilm! Being the "scrubby Dutch" they did not tend to save the things I wish they had (my Mom and Aunt were shocked when I took things out of the trash they had thrown away...their trash was my treasure! One of the things I dug out was a brass and crystal chandelier that I cleaned up and hung in my house...they were amazed and wanted it back...I said, nope, you threw it away!) The other thing that I have found is that the family "stories" are not even close to being true. They had children all born in the wrong order, the history of my great grandparents all messed up as to where and when they got married, among other things. But it has been fun to find things. I just need to find out where in Baden my Great-grandfather came from and where in Baden / Bavaria my Great-grandmother's family came from. I just recently found all the baptismal records for this crew. (My grandmother was one of 12 children...most never married or if they did the children all died young...there are not many of us left even at the second cousin level). So my Reiss (great-grandmother) and Woerner (great-grandfather) family are the ones I want to find out about right now the most. They are the ones I have the least information about as to siblings of my great grandparents. Let alone great-great grandparent info (I do have it to the great-great grandfather and grandmother for Reiss but not her maiden name). Bob, this is a really good question! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Regrets > Hi > > Which of your late relatives do you most regret not having asked for > family-history details? > > We often visited my wife's grandparents and they visited us, but they're > gone and his ancestry is unfound. > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO >

Emmett Mc, Can you drop me a line, I lost your email address. I'm about to ask for a big, huge, tremendous, and totally necessary favor. Also do you know a St Louis boy by the name of Danny O'Day who did stand up comedy back in the 1930s and 40s to present day? He worked at the burlesque theaters way back when and was born in 1925.----Jim

One of the best things I did was to upload all of my wife's genealogy to RootsWeb her ancestors were from France and immigrated in 1852. After about a year she was contacted by a cousin living in France who recognized the names of her immigrant grandparents and was then able to provide family information back to the 1500s along with photos of the farm they left in France. Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbozzay" <rbozzay@earthlink.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Regrets > Up until the time I had my own children I was the youngest member of my > Mom's side of the family. > These were primarily German families with sprinkling of Swiss and Austrian. > These are also the families I am having the most trouble tracking down. > But I was young and they were old...I grew up with death. Someone died > almost every year when I was a child. I was born in the 50s and many of > these folks were born in the 1880s, 1890s, and early 1900s. They were fun > to visit and play games with but history was not even in my vocabulary! > > I am finding out a huge amount about them and their lives (at least those > that lived here in St.Louis) through reading lots and lots of microfilm! > Being the "scrubby Dutch" they did not tend to save the things I wish they > had (my Mom and Aunt were shocked when I took things out of the trash they > had thrown away...their trash was my treasure! One of the things I dug out > was a brass and crystal chandelier that I cleaned up and hung in my > house...they were amazed and wanted it back...I said, > nope, you threw it away!) > > The other thing that I have found is that the family "stories" are not even > close to being true. > They had children all born in the wrong order, the history of my great > grandparents all messed up as to where and when they got married, among > other things. But it has been fun to find things. I just need to find out > where in Baden my Great-grandfather came from and where in Baden / Bavaria > my Great-grandmother's family came from. I just recently found all the > baptismal records for this crew. > (My grandmother was one of 12 children...most never married or if they did > the children all died young...there are not many of us left even at the > second cousin level). > > So my Reiss (great-grandmother) and Woerner (great-grandfather) family are > the ones I want to find out about right now the most. They are the ones I > have the least information about as to siblings of my great grandparents. > Let alone great-great grandparent info (I do have it to the great-great > grandfather and grandmother for Reiss but not her maiden name). > > Bob, this is a really good question! > > Laura > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:31 PM > Subject: [StL-Metro] Regrets > > > > Hi > > > > Which of your late relatives do you most regret not having asked for > > family-history details? > > > > We often visited my wife's grandparents and they visited us, but they're > > gone and his ancestry is unfound. > > > > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO > >

Dick Renna When Dick Renna, St. Louis Music legend, was asked about his biggest thrill in the world of professional musicians he replied a la Stan Musial style, “Just playing was a big thrill.” He chuckled and added, “It was a big thrill getting a contract, too.” A native St. Louisan, Renna grew up in South St. Louis by the Compton Hill Water Tower on Grand Avenue. His first musical instrument acquired at age 15 was an accordion. “All good Italian mothers wanted their sons to play the accordion,” he explained. Renna and his good buddy Jack Whalen started entering all the amateur contests that were so big in the late ‘30s. Jackie sang while Dick played. “We almost always took first prize” said Dick with all due modesty.” We even played at the old Garrick Theatre (a St. Louis burlesque house) when we were 18 or 19.” Does anyone know if Dick Renna is still alive?----Jim

My parents. Much of what I now know has surfaced from third parties. More care should have been used in cleaning out my folks home---know lots of documents including the old family Bible was pitched along with bags of "junk" by folks that had no idea or interest in what they were doing. Fortunately I have two cousins who are deep into genealogy and provide valuable information from their perspectives. Other branches of the tree has very little interest from the members. Bill Houdek Ballwin, MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Regrets > Hi > > Which of your late relatives do you most regret not having asked for > family-history details? > > We often visited my wife's grandparents and they visited us, but they're > gone and his ancestry is unfound. > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO >

Hi Which of your late relatives do you most regret not having asked for family-history details? We often visited my wife's grandparents and they visited us, but they're gone and his ancestry is unfound. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks

I'm lucky, my ancestors (mothers side) kept everything. I have original marriage certificates from the 1840s & later over 4000 post cards mailed to a great aunt from the early last century, lots of Civil War memorabilia from my g grandfather including his rifle. Two 4 draw files full and a two volume scrap book of my grandfathers when he was a trapeze artist with P T Barnum in the 1880s. The oldest document is a tax bill dated 1801. Now if only my fathers side had such wisdom. Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "bhoudek" <bhoudek@swbell.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Regrets > My parents. Much of what I now know has surfaced from third parties. More > care should have been used in cleaning out my folks home---know lots of > documents including the old family Bible was pitched along with bags of > "junk" by folks that had no idea or interest in what they were doing. > > Fortunately I have two cousins who are deep into genealogy and provide > valuable information from their perspectives. Other branches of the tree has > very little interest from the members. > > Bill Houdek > Ballwin, MO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:31 PM > Subject: [StL-Metro] Regrets > > > > Hi > > > > Which of your late relatives do you most regret not having asked for > > family-history details? > > > > We often visited my wife's grandparents and they visited us, but they're > > gone and his ancestry is unfound. > > > > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO-STLOUIS-METRO > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >

Dear Gary, Maybe Bill Buchholz could help with this. kimbuc4@juno.com Do you think "Adv" might have something to do with the obit/death notice? Would there have been funeral cards? How about burial permits? Aren't this records interesting-had an auto hearse. My aunt who was born in 1911 remembered going to a funeral in a horse drawn carriage when she was a young child. Georgia Gary Stoltman wrote: > Listers: > > One of the line items from the Arthur J. Donnelly mortuary (21st & Washington Sts) bill for my g-grand on 16 Jun 1916 reads: > > 1. "Adv 3xG (2,2,2, running vertically immediately following), 3xR (1,1,1) 2xP (160,160) 3xWP (370) 3xAM (260)" $18.50. Any ideas? > > FYI- The other items listed on the invoice: embalming $15; shave $5; casket & vault $350; candles & candelabras $2; "Gents" slippers $2; gloves; internment at Calvary (vault) $10, lining grave with flowers $20; tent at cemetery, floral door badges $10;flower delivery$5; auto hearse $12; 9 limousines $81; and a Dougherty Bros bill covering "rooms" $14.60. > > This elaborate sounding funeral cost $553.10 with a discount of $13.10 for a cost of $540.00. Sounds cheap even for those days. > > 2. Did Dougherty Bros. merge with Donnely and isn't it now Armbruster/Donnelly or visa v.? > > Thanks > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.

Listers: I have an interest in a few names. They are St. Louis and all from the late 1800s - early 1900s. Anyone? If so, send privately please. Thanks Bernard BULTE William J. HUBERT (attny) James E. KING (attny), H.B. MOORMAN (1906) Y. MOORMAN (1906) G.H. SOMMERS (drugist) Dr. John H. SIMON Thanks Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ

Listers: One of the line items from the Arthur J. Donnelly mortuary (21st & Washington Sts) bill for my g-grand on 16 Jun 1916 reads: 1. "Adv 3xG (2,2,2, running vertically immediately following), 3xR (1,1,1) 2xP (160,160) 3xWP (370) 3xAM (260)" $18.50. Any ideas? FYI- The other items listed on the invoice: embalming $15; shave $5; casket & vault $350; candles & candelabras $2; "Gents" slippers $2; gloves; internment at Calvary (vault) $10, lining grave with flowers $20; tent at cemetery, floral door badges $10;flower delivery$5; auto hearse $12; 9 limousines $81; and a Dougherty Bros bill covering "rooms" $14.60. This elaborate sounding funeral cost $553.10 with a discount of $13.10 for a cost of $540.00. Sounds cheap even for those days. 2. Did Dougherty Bros. merge with Donnely and isn't it now Armbruster/Donnelly or visa v.? Thanks Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ

Dear Marge, Try the St. Louis Public Library for marriage records. See item #5 at following and then email your request by clicking on "Reference Desk" in item # 13: http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm You can also get his obit from the library if you do not have it. See the obit index at the above website (item # 8). Library also has censuses and city directories. Georgia marge langan wrote: > Looking for any records of Charles Martin b Nov. 19 1842 Germany d. November 11 1911 St Louis, Mo. He married Mary Lingner sometime before Oct. 26, 1879 when my grandmother Maggie Martin was born. Thank you for any help Marge > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.

Looking for any records of Charles Martin b Nov. 19 1842 Germany d. November 11 1911 St Louis, Mo. He married Mary Lingner sometime before Oct. 26, 1879 when my grandmother Maggie Martin was born. Thank you for any help Marge

The St. Louis County Library has a book that is a "Credit Rankin" for the year 1900 or 1901. It shows you value of real estate and gives a letter ranking. That may be a start because if $6000 is given an A rating in the 1900s that should tell you it is even higher value in the late 1800s. I have seen the book in the MO / STL section on the 5th floor. I am sorry I don't have the exact name of it. Here are few web sites that have some good info on this topic: http://tirocchi.stg.brown.edu/514/notes/money2.html http://eh.net/hmit/ppowerusd/ Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <Muesic1@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Value of Real Estate then and now..... > Can anyone help me to understand how a value in 1850, 1860, 1870 relates to > the current values? For example....if someone lists on the 1850 census that > the value of their real estate was $6000, how does that compare to now? How do > I know if that is "middle-class", "lower-class" or "upper-class"? Of course, > they didn't haven't this "class" system in society back then, but how do I > know what constitutes "well-to-do"? > > Michelle > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >

A rough way is to multiply the given number by 13. A more definitive measure is to is to go to the URL Inflation Calculator. Other Inflation-related Sites * Current Value of Old Money * Canadian Inflation Calculator The United States is a society in which class matters. Children who grow up in privileged families are more likely to become highly paid professionals, for example, than are children raised in more disadvantaged households. Still, the effects of family background have declined in recent years. Success is less likely to be inherited than it was in earlier years, suggesting that the American playing field is becoming more equal. The role of higher education in increasing individual opportunity is notable. Educational attainment in the United States has improved significantly, suggesting that opportunity may continue to grow as a result. Ellen Muesic1@aol.com wrote: >Can anyone help me to understand how a value in 1850, 1860, 1870 relates to >the current values? For example....if someone lists on the 1850 census that >the value of their real estate was $6000, how does that compare to now? How do >I know if that is "middle-class", "lower-class" or "upper-class"? Of course, >they didn't haven't this "class" system in society back then, but how do I >know what constitutes "well-to-do"? > >Michelle > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________________ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Can anyone help me to understand how a value in 1850, 1860, 1870 relates to the current values? For example....if someone lists on the 1850 census that the value of their real estate was $6000, how does that compare to now? How do I know if that is "middle-class", "lower-class" or "upper-class"? Of course, they didn't haven't this "class" system in society back then, but how do I know what constitutes "well-to-do"? Michelle

I don't know if this is what you are looking for but check out this address: http://eh.net/hmit/ppowerusd/ Barb St. Louis Muesic1@aol.com wrote: Can anyone help me to understand how a value in 1850, 1860, 1870 relates to the current values? For example....if someone lists on the 1850 census that the value of their real estate was $6000, how does that compare to now? How do I know if that is "middle-class", "lower-class" or "upper-class"? Of course, they didn't haven't this "class" system in society back then, but how do I know what constitutes "well-to-do"? Michelle ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes

Dear Emmett, Sometimes I feel the same way and then I think about what is not available here in Detroit. There is no index to the death notices in the Detroit newspapers. If you know the date of death the library staff at the main Detroit Public Library will look for three days and charge you $2.50 (I think that is the going rate) for the copy and postage. Georgia "McAuliffe, R. Emmett" wrote: > It's about time. Isn't there any way that could be speeded up? Pretty important resource. Where are the SLGS volunteers? > What about the Globe and other papers?? Not trying to be ungrateful but I am always surprised at how neglected our Obit resources are. Maybe it's because all the "pros" already have them. But having obits has launched a lot of newbies like myself into the exciting world of genealogy. > > R. Emmett McAuliffe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Georgia Clark [mailto:georgia@corpsie.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:17 PM > > To: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [StL-Metro] Post-Dispatch Obit Index at SLPL > > > > > > I think that the list has been updated. Now has 1922. > > > > http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing > > List at > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO > -STLOUIS-METRO > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm