A letter written May 18, 1970 to Virginia (Malin) Ratcliffe (James Dalmazzo Malin's granddaughter) from Louis F. Schwienher: "Dear Virginia: "Recently while going through an old address-book I discovered that an old clipping of the death-notice of Henry Cannon was falling to pieces, so I typed it and am enclosing a copy of it herewith. "Now, this death-notice has a peculiar significance to me as I had known Henry and Gert since 1887 when my folks used to take me out to the Malin farm on Lay avenue (now Euclid Av.), Mr. Malin [James Dalmazzo Malin] having recently bought the place from General William T. Sherman (together with a mare and Surry, the horse being named "Madge"). The reason why I remember this so well is that Mr. Malin used to take us all for a ride north to Natural Bridge Road, west to Kingshighway, and then south to the rear gate of the farm which extended to Kngswy. Another thing, your father [David C. Malin], then a little boy, used to carry a lantern to the cable car at Easton avenue to meet his father as there were no street lights in those days. Still another things, John Malin grew water-lilies in the basement of the house, as the cellar used to flood (as many did as there were now [sic] [no] sewers that low down). The family moved to Delmar boulevard about 1889. "Please remember me to your husband [Vincent], Jinks [daughter Virginia] and the monsignor. Love from LF Schwienher"

Hi Grace Monahan and Leo Higley were to have married in St. Louis 14 Feb 1920. Instead, they eloped on 07 Feb 1920. But we do not know where they married, probably before a J.P. Best guess - they did not go too far from St. Louis, or went near Phelps County, where Leo lived. If you have good access to marriage records, a lookup is sought. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks

I believe I posted this recommendation many moons ago, but within the past week there seems to be an increased feeling of regreet for what has not been done in the past. My wife, her sister and mother were looking at these two suitcases of old family photos one afternoon. As would be expected there were several photos that neither of them could identify. Out of the clear my mother-in-law commented that it sure was a shame that someone didn't write the name on the back. Being the nasty person that I am I asked her if she has written the names on the back of her photos. Her answer was classic (Hard headed German). Why should I? I know who they are! She is now 89 and still hasn't done it, why of course there is plenty of time. How many boxes do you have? Photos can convey more family history than some other official data, i.e. tombstones are cold and frequently convey errors. While a photo with a date is a heck of a lot more interesting. I'm 70 and knew two of my great grandparents and slug of Great Aunts & Uncles, which has helped in photo ID. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

That's a good comment, by Bill. Makes me wonder what everyone is doing to insure that their genealogy, photos & records are preserved for future generations. Here is what I have done besides the usual scrap books, 1. Uploaded my genealogy records (deceased only) to the internet. 2. Scanned or digitally photographed old photos & records and saved it all to CDs & DVDs for easy distribution. 3. My current project is saving all those old home movies to DVDs. Fortunately our kids are also interested in genealogy, the rest of the family think we are the nuts in the family tree. Art Fallbrook, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <kimbuc4@juno.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 7:41 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: Regrets > I believe I posted this recommendation many moons ago, but within the > past week there seems to be an increased feeling of regreet for what has > not been done in the past. > > My wife, her sister and mother were looking at these two suitcases of old > family photos one afternoon. As would be expected there were several > photos that neither of them could identify. Out of the clear my > mother-in-law commented that it sure was a shame that someone didn't > write the name on the back. Being the nasty person that I am I asked her > if she has written the names on the back of her photos. Her answer was > classic (Hard headed German). > > Why should I? I know who they are! She is now 89 and still hasn't done > it, why of course there is plenty of time. > > How many boxes do you have? > > Photos can convey more family history than some other official data, i.e. > tombstones are cold and frequently convey errors. While a photo with a > date is a heck of a lot more interesting. > > I'm 70 and knew two of my great grandparents and slug of Great Aunts & > Uncles, which has helped in photo ID. > > Bill > > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > >

www.immigrantships.net is the former Immigrant Ship's Transcriber's web that drove into Rootsweb, but now stands alone. The transcriptions are far from complete, but can be helpful. I pulled up the S/S H. Purrinton from LaHarve, France to New Orleans arriving May 1, 1854. Found no one I sought, but noticed the destination of 340 of the 355 passengers was St. Louis, MO, the other 15 were destined for Cincinnati, OH. The 340 persons destined for St. Louis were from Germany. Perhaps you'll find someone you seek. If you are looking for deaths in Illinois prior to 1916 through the Illinois State Archives web, don't despair. The entries are in-process and will take a long time to complete. Keep checking. The Illinois death index after 1916 has a lot of data, but all counties are not complete. Keep checking. I was fortunate to obtain two free uncertified death certificates before the State closed the doors to freebies. If you are an Illinois resident, they are still free; others pay $10.00 in advance. The two death certificates I obtained, revealed the names of my cousin's grand parents and great grandparents, where they were born, if born abroad, how many years lived in the USA. The Missouri Archives on-line death and birth index is slowly progressing. Some St. Louis entries, but thousands more will be added. Keep checking. If you are ambitious and want to help others, please consider volunteering to transcribe records for either Illinois or Missouri. I am in-process of transcribing Missouri records. Happy hunting for the ghosts of Christmas past. June in St. Louis "on The Hill"

My mother loved talking about her family's past, but her sisters did not. When I asked one of her sisters a question she got irritated and did not want to have to think about it. Thank goodness that I asked questions from my grandmother and mother. My mother had a first cousin who also was interested and gave me many photos of grgrandparents, aunts, and uncles. Without her I would not have gotten as far. From this I have been able to find a second cousin that I did not know that I had. We have connected and enjoy sharing stories and research together. We even meet from time to time. The sad thing about all this is that my mother has dementia and can no longer remember anything, including me. How I wish that I had one hour to just talk and share with her all that I have found. She would be thrilled. Diane H.

I have a similar problem with my husband's family. His grandmother died last December, and she left a huge, huge stack of funeral cards. While everyone else choose little pieces to take home with them that Sunday, I went through these wonderful cards. There was even a set of cards from his great grandmother Hattie Kujawa. One was in Polish and the other in English. And both included a photo of the woman. How I would have loved to have these treasures. But they weren't dividing her papers yet, so nothing was done with them. And I am just the wife of a grandson. I did later get a page from his great grandfather's will that listed the children of the marriage. Never did find out what happened to the funeral cards. What a loss.

Being the youngest, born when my parents were in their 40s, I met a lot of family who are now gone that I did not pay much attention to, etc. When you're a kid, being "dragged" to Springfield, MO every month to see my grandparents (on my mother's side), I was so bored, I didn't really behave that well. I always saw Springfield as "old-peoples" town cuz that's all I ever saw. Of course, they are both gone...my father's parents were gone before I was born. My father departed 16 years ago....so much I missed! Now my mother is still here, at 83, & my sisters & I got her a tape recorder to start recording some memories but we've all been bad about getting this started. I do have the genealogical background but those are names and dates, not the stories. As a historian, I know I need to get on this before she goes...most of my father's family is gone. Maybe this discussion will get me moving.... Gina Danna

Hi, Dan, I have some family members who love what I am finding out and sharing with them. I have others who think this it is a waste of time. So why do I do it? Well even if my children don't care now, they might or perhaps the grandchildren I hope to see some day may care. If nothing else, I know that the contacts I have made with some of the older members of the family that I did not know existed until I took up this quest, seem to have enjoyed sharing what they remember. That in and of itself was a good thing for them and for me and for anyone else who cares to read what I have assembled with the help of so many good people. I think what matters is that you enjoy doing it for yourself. Then it really doesn't matter if someone else doesn't care. It is truly their loss. I find that I care not only about my own family and its stories of those of the other folks on this list and other lists I belong to. I have learned a lot about the world we live in by doing genealogy. We find out we all have "saints and sinners" in our lines but more importantly we all have real people who lived real lives trying to cope with whatever life through their way. Some of our relatives emerged as shining examples while others we may want to disassociate ourselves from...but we are not them, we are ourselves and we get to make our own daily choices. The straight facts of names, dates, places can be dry and uninteresting to other family members. Some have no idea what it takes to get those things right! But for me what really brings genealogy to life is how these folks lived, what they went through, the good and the bad. Many of us have lost members to wars, plagues, and even witch trial hysteria. Some have found members of colonial America. Others have found adoptions they never knew about and no living person knew about (I had that happen). Some of us have found that we are related to co-workers we have known for years or even friends. So, ignore those who mislead you (yep, I have had my share of the historically inaccurate family histories given to me as "gospel" by relatives who really thought it was the truth. I have also had family help me make some serious connections. Stay with it. Do it because it brings you joy. I have to say, I love the members of this list. This is one of the neatest and most interesting group of people I have ever had the pleasure to communicate with, to learn with, to share with. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Hogan" <dhogan@porterville.k12.ca.us> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Regrets > Anyone else have such experiences with family members who do not seem > even remotely phased in your genealogical research? It makes me mad > when I mention some find or some aspect of my research and just get a > "so what" stare or a "why bother" type comment. > I have no regrets since I have been at this since I did a research > project on my genealogy in high school. I interviewed my > grandparents/aunts/uncles numerous times before their deaths and kept > notes on all the info. Though sometimes this ended up being more of a > problem when the info was incorrect. For example, I grew up listening > to the hard-luck, depression era stories of my dad's "childhood" in > inner city Chicago. How how he had to sell newspapers to help the > family; walk to school in the snow uphill both ways, etc. Only to find > out years later from my aunts that this was all "bull". They even > pulled out family pictures to prove that they were well-off (for the > depression). My dad, being the only son out of 8, is pictured in new, > starched shirts, nickers and such. Not only that, but he was the only > one given money everyday to take the street car to school. My aunts say > that he laughed and spit at them as he drove by while they walked. > Another example is an elderly relative I interviewed when I was 13. She > said her father was named "Joe", only to find out years later that it > was William. I do not have to mention the hours and years worth of > research I wasted on that wild-goose chase. > I also helped find a lost family bible in an attic from posting > messages on a rootsweb list last year. Found a relative that remembered > hiding it after I engaged her in genealogy. Rootsweb members even went > to the house to try to obtain it. > Dan Hogan

All I ever knew of my dad's experiences in WWII in China were #1 he never ate rice again in any shape or form #2he would never talk about it except to say he always felt they (the Army) took 3 years of his life away from him. The year before his death he wrote us a 25 page document detailing his memories of that experience. It took me 4 tries to get through it. I found out more about my dad after my mother died. Her sister told me a lot of things we never knew - mostly relating to how my dad suffered emotionally from his experiences inthe war. The people I wish I had asked more of? My dad's parents, who died when i was 16 and 19. I remember asking all kinds of genealogical related questions all my life of anyone who would answer, but by the time I really got into being serious about it my grandmother no longer had her right mind. She died at the age of 99 when I was 19. And that is assuming she would have been forthcoming with info about her illegitimacy and her bio father. But at least I know who he was, thanks to her sister-in-law in the 1970's.

My dad died in 1948 when I was only 10 years old. He came from KY to MO in 1917. I didn't know until about 5 years ago that our name spelling got changed in the late 1800's from Hide and Hyde to Hite. So hunting for information was really hard. But I finally was able to get quite a bit of info even though most KY records were burned in the mid 1800's. So.... don't give up! Never give up! Keep asking and searching. There is most likely someone that can tell you stories about your relatives if you keep looking. When there are no relatives there may be old family friends or neighbors. I am happy to say that even though I don't have as much information as I would like, I do have enough to put together our ancestry book so that future generations won't wonder where they came from. Shirl Hite Sieli b/1937 on Clifton Ave. St. Louis MO Littleton, Colorado

Jim, Here is Emmett's website http://bigdunker.com/ I think if you go to the mailing list archives, you can find people's email addresses. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/StLouis-MO/ Georgia Jims505@aol.com wrote: > Emmett Mc, > > Can you drop me a line, I lost your email address. I'm about to ask for a > big, huge, tremendous, and totally necessary favor. > > Also do you know a St Louis boy by the name of Danny O'Day who did stand up > comedy back in the 1930s and 40s to present day? He worked at the burlesque > theaters way back when and was born in 1925.----Jim > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

In a message dated 1/18/2004 5:42:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, georgia@corpsie.com writes: > > Dear Jim, > > Does the name Ted Steiter (not sure of spelling) sound familiar to you (or > any other member of the mailing list) as an entertainer in St. Louis-late '20s > through the 40s or 50s? > > Georgia > > Jims505@aol.com wrote: > > > Dick Renna > Ted steiter doesn't sound familiar. The reason I asked about Dick Renna is because he played at the McQuillen club over in East St Louis back in the thirties and would be an awfully good eye witness to the excitement of the Mounds Country Club and Casino.----Jim

Dear Jim, Does the name Ted Steiter (not sure of spelling) sound familiar to you (or any other member of the mailing list) as an entertainer in St. Louis-late '20s through the 40s or 50s? Georgia Jims505@aol.com wrote: > Dick Renna > > When Dick Renna, St. Louis Music legend, was asked about his biggest thrill > in the world of professional musicians he replied a la Stan Musial style, “Just > playing was a big thrill.” He chuckled and added, “It was a big thrill > getting a contract, too.” > > A native St. Louisan, Renna grew up in South St. Louis by the Compton Hill > Water Tower on Grand Avenue. His first musical instrument acquired at age 15 > was an accordion. “All good Italian mothers wanted their sons to play the > accordion,” he explained. > > Renna and his good buddy Jack Whalen started entering all the amateur > contests that were so big in the late ‘30s. Jackie sang while Dick played. “We > almost always took first prize” said Dick with all due modesty.” We even played at > the old Garrick Theatre (a St. Louis burlesque house) when we were 18 or 19.” > > Does anyone know if Dick Renna is still alive?----Jim > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com.

>From "Rae's Complete Amusement Guide-Radio and Entertainment in and around St. Louis" for week ending April 8, 1933 published weekly. Cost is 5 cents. (What happened to the "cents key" ?) At the Wedge Supper Club, 3516 Olive (Franklin 7335) "Cosy little place with the Crooning Coons supplying the hi de ho. Cover charge $1.00" Do you think the name of the group means what I think it means? Ad for the Park Manor Hotel, 5560 Pershing Avenue (Overlooking Forest Park). Phone FOrest 6880 Free Parking Single Bed Rooms with hot and cold water near baths from $5.00 per week (and from $20.00 per month. Indoor living room, dressing room and bath from $10.00 per week (and) from $40.00 per week (sic). Club breafast from 20 cents. Lunches 30 cents. Six course dinners from 40 cents. If there is an indoor living room, does that mean that there is an outdoor living room? That is all for now. My dust allergies are acting up. Georgia

What a great question to ask. I too was born after my fathers parents were deceased. I was given a scrap of paper with the names of my great grandparents and I researched them until I found them. I even found their children, sent for Civil War papers and found the names and dates for them. Even had a Civil War Headstone put on his grave. I found some other relatives but they don't seem to share. Hope I can live long enough to try and finish most of what I have. There are only three of us left now and not a one of the others are interested. Will, keep looking. Pat in Fl

Even tho I have my regrets on not asking some of my family members about things, I did realize a little over a year ago, that there were some things on my mothers side of the family, that I wanted to know. So I had many enjoyable visits with my 80 something Aunt. She told me many things, my mother either did not want to discuss or did not remember. And I did pick her brain. But I wasn't finished yet, when she had a fall and died on my birthday last year. We were very close. But she gave me a lot of stories and even things about me, when I was a child. There were still things that I wanted to know, things I wanted to ask her yet, but I am thankful for the time we had. Pat

Hi, I regret not having gotten information from my dear aunt who died Jan. 13th at the age of 99. She suffered dementia for about 10 years and I am very sorry that I did not ask questions before that time. Her younger sister died last June at 96 and I did not ask her much either when she was still able to recall information. They were the last of 7 children so I have no one left to ask. These two aunts were quite close to me as my mother, their youngest sister, passed away 32 years ago. Talk about sadness, regrets and wanting to kick yourself................ Mary Erwin in Illinois

I have two regrets for not getting information from family members: 1. The first would be my dad who came from Ireland in 1926 and could have filled pages of information for me about his side of the family. 2. My second is my maternal grandmother. She also came from Ireland (Waterford City) and she could have filled me in on her family which have gone mostly unknown to us. Mary

Anyone else have such experiences with family members who do not seem even remotely phased in your genealogical research? It makes me mad when I mention some find or some aspect of my research and just get a "so what" stare or a "why bother" type comment. I have no regrets since I have been at this since I did a research project on my genealogy in high school. I interviewed my grandparents/aunts/uncles numerous times before their deaths and kept notes on all the info. Though sometimes this ended up being more of a problem when the info was incorrect. For example, I grew up listening to the hard-luck, depression era stories of my dad's "childhood" in inner city Chicago. How how he had to sell newspapers to help the family; walk to school in the snow uphill both ways, etc. Only to find out years later from my aunts that this was all "bull". They even pulled out family pictures to prove that they were well-off (for the depression). My dad, being the only son out of 8, is pictured in new, starched shirts, nickers and such. Not only that, but he was the only one given money everyday to take the street car to school. My aunts say that he laughed and spit at them as he drove by while they walked. Another example is an elderly relative I interviewed when I was 13. She said her father was named "Joe", only to find out years later that it was William. I do not have to mention the hours and years worth of research I wasted on that wild-goose chase. I also helped find a lost family bible in an attic from posting messages on a rootsweb list last year. Found a relative that remembered hiding it after I engaged her in genealogy. Rootsweb members even went to the house to try to obtain it. Dan Hogan On Sunday, January 18, 2004, at 12:09 PM, bhoudek wrote: > My parents. Much of what I now know has surfaced from third parties. > More > care should have been used in cleaning out my folks home---know lots of > documents including the old family Bible was pitched along with bags of > "junk" by folks that had no idea or interest in what they were doing. > > Fortunately I have two cousins who are deep into genealogy and provide > valuable information from their perspectives. Other branches of the > tree has > very little interest from the members. > > Bill Houdek > Ballwin, MO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> > To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 1:31 PM > Subject: [StL-Metro] Regrets > > >> Hi >> >> Which of your late relatives do you most regret not having asked for >> family-history details? >> >> We often visited my wife's grandparents and they visited us, but >> they're >> gone and his ancestry is unfound. >> >> >> Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >> Search the Archive of Messages for MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MO- > STLOUIS-METRO >> > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email > MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only > the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can > contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. >