The official start of NGS GENTECH 2004 is today, Friday 23 January at the Millenium Hotel in downtown St. Louis. Since 1993, GENTECH has been THE national conference for people interested in GENealogy and TECHnology. Now, as a new division of the National Genealogical Society, NGS GENTECH will sponsor conferences that continue to meet the needs of advanced users and those new to using technology in research. At the Librarians pre conference day yesterday (Thursday) there were a large number of walk in registrations -- for the Librarians' meetings, the afternoon workshops and the remainder of the conference. It kept the volunteers scurrying to find enough tote bags to meet the demand (they found more, fortunately.) Today promises to be another busy day, so hurry on down. The program is posted at: www.eshow2000.com/ngsgentech/register_now.cfm or at the St. Louis Genealogical Society website: www.stlgs.org/gentech2004. If you can't join us today, come tomorrow (Saturday). There will be another full day of programs and events at the exhibit hall. As the song goes "Meet me in St. Louis..." for an exciting genealogy program. John Konvalinka, CGRS(sm), CGL(sm) NGS GENTECH 2004 Publicity Chair www.konvalinka.com

We could have had this conversation before, but I couldn't find it in the archives. How trustworthy is the information on a naturalization record? For example, the birth information? That information was relayed directly from the person being naturalized, to the person taking the information, right? Or, was it all done via paper (person being naturalized filled out the paper and sent it in/handed it in, etc.) and there is room for error (this is the era of 1905-1910)? What about the witnesses? What role did they play, exactly? Did they have to be there with them? Did they just have to sign their name? And, what was their purpose? Was it to verify that these people were "stand-up" citizens, or that their name really was what they said, or what? (Sorry...so many questions! I just found my first Naturalization Record that I have needed, thus far...) Thanks for any insight! Michelle muesic1@aol.com

MISSOURI. Osage County. Marriage Records, 1910-1919, 1,834 records; Marriage Records, 1920-1929, 1,584 records; Complied by Hallie Mantle, transcribed and indexed by Bill Schwegler http://userdb.rootsweb.com/marriages/ as listed in the RootsWeb Review Jan 21 2004 Vol 7 #3 Laura

List from 1905-1906 St. Louis Turner book: E-mail me for addressess. Not in correct alphabetical order so be sure to check all names. HAAS, Jacob *HAASE, Wm. *HAASE, Edw. *HACK, Louis A. *HAENEL, Max E. *HAHN, John P. *HAMMER, Robt. *HALLER, Arnold *HAMPE, Otto HANNAUER, M *HARRIS, Geo. * HARTMAN, C. E. *HARTMANN, Emil *HARTMAN, Jos. E. *HASENJAEGER, F. *HASSFURTHER, Henry *HAUCK, Chas. *HAUPT, Henry *HANSTEIN, Adolph *HAUSTEIN, Carl *HASS, F. *HAHN, Fritz *HAMMERSCHLAG, J. *HANDEL, Jac *HAUCK, Chas *HAEUSLER, Jos. *HEGERDING, Chas *HEINRICH, Alex *HEIMUELLER, John *HEINEMANN, Jacob *HELMERICHS, A. *HERBERER, Anton *HEINE, Ferd *HEINEMANN, Walter * HELLWIG, Chas * HEITMANN, Herm *HENNEBERGER, John * HERMANN, F.* HEROLD, Arnold *HEROLD, Robt *HERZ, Julius *HESSE, L.C. *HESSE, John C. *HEUER, F.W. *HEMPEN, Wm. *HERZOG, Anton *HEIDORN, W. *HENCKE, Oscar *HICKELHEIM, John *HIMMLER, Geo. *HIRSCHBERG, Jac *HOFFSTETTER, Adolph *HOFFSTETTER, Hugo *HOLLY, Francis *HOMAN, H.C. *HORN, Moses * HOSS, Chas. *HOELZER, J.C.* HORN, Edw.*HUFNAGEL, Henry * HOELZER, J.C. *HINTZE, Louis *HUNTZE, Louis JOHANNES, G.P. *JOHANNES, Chas. P. *JOHNSON, Louis * JUENGEL, Chas. *JUENGEL, Arth. *JUREKA, Frank F.

List from 1905-1906 St. Louis Turner book: E-mail me for addressess. Not in correct alphabetical order so be sure to check all names. HAAS, Jacob *HAASE, Wm. *HAASE, Edw. *HACK, Louis A. *HAENEL, Max E. *HAHN, John P. *HAMMER, Robt. *HALLER, Arnold *HAMPE, Otto HANNAUER, M *HARRIS, Geo. * HARTMAN, C. E. *HARTMANN, Emil *HARTMAN, Jos. E. *HASENJAEGER, F. *HASSFURTHER, Henry *HAUCK, Chas. *HAUPT, Henry *HANSTEIN, Adolph *HAUSTEIN, Carl *HASS, F. *HAHN, Fritz *HAMMERSCHLAG, J. *HANDEL, Jac *HAUCK, Chas *HAEUSLER, Jos. *HEGERDING, Chas *HEINRICH, Alex *HEIMUELLER, John *HEINEMANN, Jacob *HELMERICHS, A. *HERBERER, Anton *HEINE, Ferd *HEINEMANN, Walter * HELLWIG, Chas * HEITMANN, Herm *HENNEBERGER, John * HERMANN, F.* HEROLD, Arnold *HEROLD, Robt *HERZ, Julius *HESSE, L.C. *HESSE, John C. *HEUER, F.W. *HEMPEN, Wm. *HERZOG, Anton *HEIDORN, W. *HENCKE, Oscar *HICKELHEIM, John *HIMMLER, Geo. *HIRSCHBERG, Jac *HOFFSTETTER, Adolph *HOFFSTETTER, Hugo *HOLLY, Francis *HOMAN, H.C. *HORN, Moses * HOSS, Chas. *HOELZER, J.C.* HORN, Edw.*HUFNAGEL, Henry * HOELZER, J.C. *HINTZE, Louis *HUNTZE, Louis JOHANNES, G.P. *JOHANNES, Chas. P. *JOHNSON, Louis * JUENGEL, Chas. *JUENGEL, Arth. *JUREKA, Frank F.

List from 1905-1906 St. Louis Turners Book. E-mail me for addresses. Names not always in alphabetical order, Typed as printed. FABER, Dr, John E *FAUST, A.E. *FAUST, Edw. A. *FETTE, Chas. *FISCHER, Geo. *FISCHER, Clemens *FINCK, John, Jr. *FRAENGER, Henry *FRANK, Jacob *FRANKE, F. W. *FRENZEL, Aug. *FRIES, Chas. *FRIES, Dr. John A. *FRICKE, Fred *FRANK, Herm *FUEGER, Andrew *FUNK, Martin *FUHRMANN, Jesse *FRANK, L *FREUND, Eng. *FLESCHE, Alb * FOX, G. R. *FOX, J. *FUCHS, Gerorge GALLE, Chas. *GALLE, HENRY *GANTNER, Jacob *GAYOU, Alex *GEIGER, A.G. *GEISER, John *GERDES, Gus H.F. *GLAESSNER, Aug *GOERGENS, Jacob *GOERGER, Edw *GOETTLER, Jos. A. *GOETTLER, John *GOETZ, Julius, *GOETZ, Geo. *GRAF, August *GRIESEDIECK,A. B. * GRIESEDIECK, H. L. *GUTTMANN, Edw. *GUTTMANN, Ben *GROSS, Geo. *GALLENKAMP. Chas. F. *GRASSHOFF, Herm *GRAUEL, J. F.* GROSS, Casper

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dear Listers - I am in the process of writing an account of my family's connection with the old Quick Meal/American Stove Company in St. Louis and would like to contact anyone who may have had relatives that worked for these companies prior to the 1920's, at either the Chouteau Avenue or Kingshighway/Dagget Avenue plants. My purpose for this request is that I would like to find any narrative accounts, and in particular any photographs, that may be be available. Thanks for your help. Please write me at bapaghk@aol.com. +++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi, I have lost the web address for the STLPL site for obit copy requests. Can someone help me out? Thanks in advance. Sharon

Since there are stables at the Pestalozzi plant, I wonder if that is where it was? Pestalozzi and Lemp Arsenal area. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Hogan" <dhogan@porterville.k12.ca.us> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: [StL-Metro] Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > Greetings, > > Anyone know where the August Busch Estate was located in the 1880's > > and 1890's? Grants Farm was not purchased by him until 1903. My > > great-grandfather, Michael J. Hogan was the horse shoer for the > > estate, but cannot find him in any census. According to Anheuser-Busch > > sites, the stables were built in 1885, but does not say where. > > Thanks, > > Dan Hogan > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > >

Dear Dan, If you do not have access to the 1900 census, you can request a lookup by the St. Louis Public Library. See following website for information: http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm Click on item # 5 for a list of what is available and then go back and click on "Reference Desk (item #). Or, ask for a lookup in the city directories if you have already searched the 1900 censuses for him. Another SLPL site has a history or biography of several of the Buschs. Maybe something in there can help. Think the library will make copies. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/hyde1.htm#B Georgia Dan Hogan wrote: > Many thanks for those on these two St Louis lists who replied to my > inquiry. Prior to asking, I did some research and according to the > Grants Farm website fact sheet, as well as several Anheuser-Busch > websites and a site sent to me by Betty about the history of a Compton > Heights address, Grants Farm (216 acres) was purchased by August A. > Busch Sr, in 1903 and not developed into his estate until 1913. Prior > to that date, a stable for the horses was constructed in 1885, but > cannot find that location's name, or specific place. The Compton > Heights address simply states that a property was purchaed by Busch in > 1893, but does not say why. Many properties were purchased by the Busch > family for many reasons so this may be difficult to find out where the > horses were prior to the 1903 purchase of Grants Farm. According to my > research, my great-grandfather was the foreman/horseshoer for the > estate in the 1880's-1907? His son, my grandfather, was born in a > cottage on the estate in 1894. I would like to find them in the 1900 > census. With the info I researched as well as the info I received from > list members, my ancestors had to have lived somewhere other than > Grants Farm prior to 1903 and maybe even 1913 when supposedly it was > developed into the new estate. Some of you mention another estate on > the grounds of the brewery. This may have been the place used prior to > 1903-1913 for the horses. What ward would this have been in 1900? Greg > mentions an older Busch estate out by the Sunset County Club. What was > this place called in the 19th century? Does is predate the above > places? My great-grandfather was supposedly mean to the clydesdales, > there are even stories that have been handed down through several > family branches about his cruelty, he even supposedly knocked one out > cold! > Thanks all, > Dan Hogan > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

THE END. The McQuillen Saga in finished and complete. Three hundred and forty pages is now ready for the Editor/Reviewer. While this horror story begins at the Garden of Eden you will be surprised to know that it did not begin with brother Cain, it began with brother Seth and flows down through the ages through some very notable biblical characters. Adam Seth Enos Jared Enoch Methuselah Lamech Noah Japhet Magog Baoth Fenius "the Antiquary" (King of Scythia) Nial or Niul (mar. Scota, dau. Pharao Cingris, King of Egypt) During the period of 1200 to 1600 AD the McQuillens kept them selves busy with their wars, jousting, tax collecting, pillaging, building and other interesting activities. One day they were fighting with the McDonnells, the next marrying a McDonnell and no one seemed to know what started it all. Finally, with help from the English, the McDonnells were granted title to the McQuillens land in 1586. And those were only a few of the folks that paved the way for the latter day family. I'm sure everyone will agree with me that if those confounded McDonnells hadn't started meddeling I may have ended up the King of Ireland. Oh well, everyone knows life can be cruel. Be aware that the book is no longer the McQuillen Saga, that was only a part of the over all tale. The book as of today has been named, "Don't Blame Me." Now all I have to do is find a publisher.----Jim

Dear Sharon, You can link to the obits from this page http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm or go directly: http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm Georgia SReif1956@comcast.net wrote: > Hi, > > I have lost the web address for the STLPL site for obit copy requests. > > Can someone help me out? > > Thanks in advance. > > Sharon > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm

Many thanks for those on these two St Louis lists who replied to my inquiry. Prior to asking, I did some research and according to the Grants Farm website fact sheet, as well as several Anheuser-Busch websites and a site sent to me by Betty about the history of a Compton Heights address, Grants Farm (216 acres) was purchased by August A. Busch Sr, in 1903 and not developed into his estate until 1913. Prior to that date, a stable for the horses was constructed in 1885, but cannot find that location's name, or specific place. The Compton Heights address simply states that a property was purchaed by Busch in 1893, but does not say why. Many properties were purchased by the Busch family for many reasons so this may be difficult to find out where the horses were prior to the 1903 purchase of Grants Farm. According to my research, my great-grandfather was the foreman/horseshoer for the estate in the 1880's-1907? His son, my grandfather, was born in a cottage on the estate in 1894. I would like to find them in the 1900 census. With the info I researched as well as the info I received from list members, my ancestors had to have lived somewhere other than Grants Farm prior to 1903 and maybe even 1913 when supposedly it was developed into the new estate. Some of you mention another estate on the grounds of the brewery. This may have been the place used prior to 1903-1913 for the horses. What ward would this have been in 1900? Greg mentions an older Busch estate out by the Sunset County Club. What was this place called in the 19th century? Does is predate the above places? My great-grandfather was supposedly mean to the clydesdales, there are even stories that have been handed down through several family branches about his cruelty, he even supposedly knocked one out cold! Thanks all, Dan Hogan

List from South St. Louis Turnverein 1905-1906 book. E-mail me for addresses. Not always in alphabetical order so check all names. Typed as printed. CASSEL, Herm; CHRISTEN, Herman; COURTIAL, Geo.; CROISSANT, Albert; CROISSANT, Wm. DAHMANN, Sam; DANNER, Geo.; DEBRODT, Henry; DEMUTH, Jos.; DENNERT, Wm.; DENZL, Franz; DENZL, F.A.; DEUBLER, Fred; DEUBLER, Constantin; DEUBLER, Christ; DEMLER, Wm.; DENNER, Chas.; DEPELHEUER, Henry; DEPELHEUER, Wm. F.; DIENY, Emil J.; DIETL, John; DILG, Theo. E.; DOBRILEIT, J. F.; DOHM, Phil; DREYHER, Wm.; DUNCAN, Wm.; DUSOLD, M.; DUFF, Thomas; DROEGE, Albert J.; DIECKMANN, Henry EBERHARDT, Chas.; ECKHARDT, Gerhd; EDELMANN, Emil; EHRENBERG, Chas.; EHRENBERG, Julius; EHRLICH, Dr. Louis, W.; EISELBEN, Louis; EISSLER, Wm.; EHNERT, Wm.; EHRHARDT, Chas.; EHRMANN, Gottfried; ENDRES, Christ; ENDRES, Geo.; ENDRES, Geo Jr.; ENGEL, Jesse; ENGLICH, Wm.; ENZMANN, Aug.; ELLRICH, Gerome; EYERMANN, Aug. F.; EYERMANN, DR. Edw. H.

Begin forwarded message: > > > Greetings, > Anyone know where the August Busch Estate was located in the 1880's > and 1890's? Grants Farm was not purchased by him until 1903. My > great-grandfather, Michael J. Hogan was the horse shoer for the > estate, but cannot find him in any census. According to Anheuser-Busch > sites, the stables were built in 1885, but does not say where. > Thanks, > Dan Hogan > > >

> > Is their a site to look and see if your relative, who was in WW11, might > show his rank and other info as they have for WW1? Were there draft > cards somewhere? > > Pat in Fl > > > > >

I have the 1905-06 book of the Sud St. Louis Turnverein (South St. Louis Gymnastic Society) which was located on 10th and Carroll. It contains a membership list with addresses, names and photographs of officers and other photos and information. I will post the names in groups starting with the letters A & B. If you want an address I will send it or if there is a picture of the person and you want it I will scan it to you. Even though the list is not always alphabetically accurate I am going to type the list as it is so be sure to check all the names of a letter. ADELMANN, CARL; ALBRECHT,F.C.; ALCH, ELIUS; ALT, JOHN; ALLINA, EDW.; ALBRECHT, WM. B.; AMMANN,FRED; ARBEITER, F. B.; ARENDES, M. J.; ARENDES, FRED; ARMBRUSTER, J. G. BAHNSEN, J.G.; BAKER, EDW; BARDENHEIER, JEAN; BARTHOLDT, RICHARD; BARTHELS, EDW.; BARTHELS, AUG.; BASTIAN, JACOB: BECKER, FRANCIS, P.: BECKER, CHAS; BECKER, LOUIS; BECKER, ROBERT P,; BECK, FRANK; BECK, RAYMOND; BERG, EDW; BERNHARD, H.; BICK, BERNARD; BICK, WM.; BILHARTZ, CHAS.; BLEEK, JOHN; BLOHM, CHAS. H.; BOEKE, FRED; BOECKER, ANTON; BOELLING, CASPER; BOELLING, EDW; BONIFER, MARTIN; BOETTGER, CHAS.; BOECK, OSCAR; BOEKER, GEO.; BOETHEL, JOHN W.; BOGARD, WALTER; BOLFING, A.; BOLLIN, AUG; BRAMANN, H.; BRANDES, WM.; BRANDT, WM.; BREMER, GUST.; BRENNECKE, H.; BRINCKMANN, JOS.; BROEG, G. F.; BRUCK, HENRY; BRUECKMANN, GEO.; BRUEGGEMANN, A. H.; BRUNER, HERM; BRUENIG, F. W.; BUCHMANN, HENRY; BUDER, OSCAR E.; BUDER, OTTO; BUECHEL, EDW. C.; BUECHEL, JUL; BUECHEL, ANTON; BUENEMANN, CHAS H.; BULLMAN, FRED; BURY, LEO W.; BOLTE, WM.; BRILL, EMIL; BAKER, EDW. JR.; BECK, EMIL; BRAUN, JOS.L.; BUGG, ALBERT; BOSCH, HENRY; BILLMEIER,JOS.; BRAUN, JOHN S.

I do generally identify photos when I get them back from developing. The times I've neglected to do this or when the film was still in the camera from last year's vacation, I've been very annoyed with myself. I identify all people, pets, places and dates. When my first child was born, I came across "The Grandparents' Book" in the bookstore. It has prompts which help you tell your life story, which may not be interesting to you, but could well be fascinating to your grandchildren. My mom is 71 and has been talking all her life but I only started listening these past ten years. I've already heard stories from her childhood but it's good to record them because I may not be around to relate them to my grandchildren. These "life stories" also give the reader a feel for what life was like in the good old days. I'm sure my girls, or even I, could not imagine what is was like to wake up in an unheated room in the middle of winter, or to have to go outside to go to the bathroom. My mom also talks about coming home from school and spreading the cream that collected on top of the milk on a piece of bread and sprinkling it with sugar for a snack. She also has pictures of "threshing" and her father driving a team of mules down Manchester Rd. when it was a tiny two-lane road with houses right next to it. Things sure have changed! Gail Schneider

Hi Georgia: Betty Turno solved this one about a minute before you. You're right - "ADV" was classified advertising then - no Obit page I assume. The letters stood for the different newspapers. All those numbers add up to the $18.50 charge. Thnks Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Question re: Funeral Parlor 1916 > Dear Gary, > > Maybe Bill Buchholz could help with this. > > kimbuc4@juno.com > > Do you think "Adv" might have something to do with the obit/death notice? Would there have been funeral cards? How about burial permits? > > Aren't this records interesting-had an auto hearse. My aunt who was born in 1911 remembered going to a funeral in a horse drawn carriage when she was a young child. > > Georgia > > Gary Stoltman wrote: > > > Listers: > > > > One of the line items from the Arthur J. Donnelly mortuary (21st & Washington Sts) bill for my g-grand on 16 Jun 1916 reads: > > > > 1. "Adv 3xG (2,2,2, running vertically immediately following), 3xR (1,1,1) 2xP (160,160) 3xWP (370) 3xAM (260)" $18.50. Any ideas? > > > > FYI- The other items listed on the invoice: embalming $15; shave $5; casket & vault $350; candles & candelabras $2; "Gents" slippers $2; gloves; internment at Calvary (vault) $10, lining grave with flowers $20; tent at cemetery, floral door badges $10;flower delivery$5; auto hearse $12; 9 limousines $81; and a Dougherty Bros bill covering "rooms" $14.60. > > > > This elaborate sounding funeral cost $553.10 with a discount of $13.10 for a cost of $540.00. Sounds cheap even for those days. > > > > 2. Did Dougherty Bros. merge with Donnely and isn't it now Armbruster/Donnelly or visa v.? > > > > Thanks > > > > Gary Stoltman > > Mercerville, NJ > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list, email MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L-request@rootsweb.com; in the subject line, put only the word UNSUBSCRIBE with nothing in the message body. You can contact Michelle or Laura at MO-STLOUIS-METRO-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > For tips on researching St. Louis Church Records: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/churchrecords.htm >

When my dad died four days before Christmas in 2000, I was shocked at some of the things I found among his belongings, but none moreso than his discharge papers from the Army. While he had always told everyone that he was discharged as a Private First Class, in reality he was honorably discharged as a full sergeant. And yet, though I have no idea why he never told me, I hold no animosity - it was his life, and he had no obligation to do so, no matter how much I would like to have known the real story. On the other hand, a couple of years before he died he DID tell me about the house his grandfather built in 1902, which prompted me to look for and find it following his death. I was grateful for the knowledge, and for the kindness and hospitality of the couple who now own the house, as it gave me a sense of connection that I had not even known I was lacking. So many things our relatives and friends never tell us are in no way a reflection of their trust in us, so much as a reflection of what may simply never have occurred to them as important to tell us. Which is why it is so very important to question those still with us, lest their histories die with them. Cori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Lisa Kemp" <wjkljk.kemp@att.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] Regrets > Well, since my father-in-law just passed last Monday, I'd have to say him. > I should have been more of a bulldog with him. That is my regret. > > We were sifting through his detritus on Sunday, and found things not even > his WIFE (my MIL) knew about - what a freakin' waste of good history lost to > the wind. He boxed in the army, he had his letters from his letter jacket > when he played football for Wellston in '46-47, his graduation announcement, > pictures taken with his army buds and a trophey none of us knows why they > won it - pictures of Germany. . . > > I know it's not about ME - he's the one who died, it was my husband's > father, but WHY would he not tell even one soul? > > I'm forever meeting relatives at FUNERALS and finding out all sorts of > things after the fact and it hurts. It truly hurts me to think that the > person didn't trust me enough with their history to just TELL me. This is > my passion, just like others passion may be politics, or baking, or building > things. > > Sorry - I'm still upset. > > Lisa Farrand Kemp > "Interum faeces et urinam nascimur" > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. >