Hi it's been awhile since i was on the list due to computer problems machine wise and this here human. Anyhow I'm tracing my tree and I would like to locate some Old pictures of St.Louis to frame and put on the walls. My GrandFather was born at the St.Louis Female hospital so that would be one and my dad used to work out of City Hall so I'd like an Early picture and a newer one also. Looking at the Old Pictures on the internet of St.Louis it's surprising how different some of our existing Landmarks looked like years ago and what some I missed being born in 1960. Sorry if this is long winded.Is there one place in town where one can go for these.

Many St Louisans have heard of the Clinton Peabody Projects, an area they are not overly impressed with, an area they believe to be possessed of great crime and dangerous characters who at any moment are about to revolt and over come all law and order statutes set to guide and enhance the peace and tranquility in the City near "THE River." But not everyone knows that the Projects were the first built inexpensive City housing the City was to offer its citizens, in a time when the economy was not yet recovered from the great depression. The idea was good and it worked, at least for the first inhabitants who were lucky enough to qualify for an apartment. These lucky folks were families of world war two military men called up to serve their country. I don't remember when building first began because I was so young when they started, but I do remember watching them being built one area at a time. I am sure, however, they were completely finished by 1945 because that was the year our family moved into them shortly after my father went into the Army. To the east of us there was the ever flowing Mississippi just twelve blocks down the street, to the south of us was City Hospital, to the north of us was the very famous "Trade Winds Lounge" owned by St Louis's largest and most famous gangster of prohibition times, Jimmy Michaels. A lounge that was so quiet and trouble free, no one in the neighborhood knew who owned it and it was safe, it also sold the best fried chicken in the whole United States and provided take out. Then to the West was Lafayette Park just three blocks where large apartment houses stood that housed even poorer people than we were. They were very old and dingy and housed some pretty desperate characters, we thought. The rents were even cheaper than ours. While researching for a different subject today, February 1, 2004, I came upon this bit of information about these old and dingy multi storied houses that surrounded the park and was shocked to discover they had a history. --------- Lafayette Square, to the south of downtown St. Louis, began its life as a "public parade ground" in 1836. Dubbed "Grimsley's Folly," it was used for weekly maneuvers by the Union Army's Colonel Thornton Grimsley and his cavalry. It was not until the late 1870s that Lafayette Square became St. Louis's first suburb. The wealthiest and most notable citizens settled themselves away from the bustle of downtown and into the stately mansions built around the park's perimeter. The development of Lafayette Square into a neighborhood of stature, and a refuge and haven for its important residents, was lead by a group of wealthy visionaries. Their success captured the fancy of all of St. Louis. On Sundays, citizens of St. Louis made their way to the park by horse drawn carriage from downtown. Orchestra music wafted through the air from the park's bandstand. Visitors strolled on velvet lawns shaded by majestic oak and maple trees. Swans glided on a pristine lake with marvelous fountains that shot clear waters into the air. Lafayette Park was not only a summertime treat -- it was the place for the fashionable of St. Louis to "see and be seen." By 1896, the neighborhood's popularity lead to its decline. No longer a secluded and peaceful retreat, the Lafayette Square was abandoned by wealthy and influential residents, who migrated further west to St. Louis's newly fashionable Central West End. The departure marked the beginning of the Square's first demise and eventual disintegration of its original strategy and direction. --------- This news should wipe away forever St Louis's misconception that the Clinton Peabody Projects was in a rowdy location of only raucous citizens hell bent on creating confusion and uproar. Just think, in 1870 the area became a suburb, and in 1945 we moved to the suburbs. I remember the Easters that we went to the Park for Easter egg hunts, and times when my sister Sharon and I went there to play on the play grounds and throw pebbles into the pristine lake. There were also grand times when I would point those canons at my sister and shout, "BOOM, Sharon you're dead, the canon ball just knocked off your ear." And she would yell, "Mom, he's doing it again." What makes this site so historically important is; It is the site where a vicious ungrateful squirrel bit my finger while feeding it a peppermint stick and the depraved little monster got away completely free from any physical harm or retribution. Last June I had occasion to visit that park and discovered that the descendants of that vicious little rat, in squirrels clothing, were happily gamboling from tree to tree just waiting for the next unsuspecting finger to come by with a peppermint stick held out. Beware when visiting Lafayette park in St. Louis.----Jim

One additional tip (among many) When you request information, provide some clues other than a name. Consider this. If you were paying a professional researcher wouldn't you provide them with as much information as you have? You sure don't want to pay for them to provide you with what you already have. For example don't just state that they were buried in St. Louis and you are looking for their place of burial. You might say: JOHANNA MARY BUCHHOLZ Born 4 Sep 1888 Belleville, IL Died 1959, St. Louis MO Buried Where?????? Religion: Catholic, attended Our Lady of Perpetual Help Church and Our Lady of Good Council Lived in North St. Louis City. What you might get in return Died: 28 Oct 1959, Deaconess Hospital, St. Louis, City, MO Entombed 31 Oct 1959, Calvary Cemetery Mausoleum, St. Louis, City, MO You have reduced the lookup to a few Catholic cemeteries rather than checking all the cemeteries in St. Louis and St. Louis County. Note in the above answer I have St. Louis, City and not St. Louis County. They are two separate entities. This may not be as important in smaller communities, but take New Baden, Clinton Co., IL for example, there are now 5 cemeteries. Three are collocated in the Village of New Baden and they are not separated by fences, while the other two are a bit out on the highway, one Catholic & one public. Believe it or not there are well over 200 burial locations in the St. Louis City and St. Louis County areas. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN

List members: The Sts. Peter & Paul Parish is having a fund raiser Valentine's Dinner/Dance on Feb 13th - it's a Friday! The dinner and dance will be held in the Franklin Room, which is across the street from the church in the Historic Soulard area - 1919 South 7th Street St. Louis, MO 63104. Phone (314) 231-9923. The Franklin Room is providing the room, dinner, drinks and music at no cost to the parish so all the money goes to the restoration fund (Christmas Manger Fund). The cost is $14.00 per person. They won't be selling tickets at the door so Reservations need to be sent in by 4 February 2004. (They need a count to let the cooks know how much to cook.) They will mail out tickets on the 5th of Feb. I apologize for the delay in sending this announcement to everyone but since AOL was messing up our ability to receive messages from Rootsweb, I didn't want it to get lost. I think all who wish to go still have time to get your reservations in. Thank you. Gloria

Recently there was a discussion about things members do that actually stop them from researching more effectively. One of those things is adding every surname you are researching to every email. What that does when someone does a web search (google, yahoo, lycos, etc) is to bring back posts that mean nothing to the person doing the research. A serious researcher will then stop looking at the serious things you would post. This also makes using the search option in our own list archives virtually worthless. A trick you can use if you want to keep your surnames on your posts but don't want to mess up researching them. Put a period between each letter such as B.O.Z.Z.A.Y; separating it from the next name by using a semi-colon. We will do another staged roll call in the spring like we did last fall. Lots of folks made some great connections when we did that and we always have new members joining us. This is the best time to post your surnames because it is with relevant research. Another tip is that when researching a common surname like my ROBERTSON try to narrow the field by adding some other terms like a first name, or a place. Use the advanced search features of a search engine to do this. It is considered proper to CAPITALIZED SURNAMES at least the first time they are used in a post. I sometimes move so quickly I forget to do this too, but if we all tried to do that, it makes those names stand out for a serious researcher. Just look at this email and you can see what I mean. Another thing members do is ask too general of a question. Like anybody have anything on ROBERTSON? The best post will follow the old news reporter trick of stating: WHO WHERE WHEN WHAT YOU KNOW WHY YOU ARE ASKING You will get much better answers this way. Many members are not highly computer literate. They know how to turn it on, and send email. So we need to be patient if someone doesn't know some of the wonderful tools available to almost everyone with a computer. 1. Spell check. This helps us communicate more clearly. You can normally set up your email to be spell checked before it is sent. Look on your tool bar (that bar at the top with little symbols) If you see one with an ABC that is spell check. 2. Reply vs. Reply to all. Reply sends a note just to the person who posted it. Reply to All send the response back to the entire list. Deciding which to use is a personal decision. I use the "sensitivity" meter to decide. If I have information that might be embarrassing the person posting the question I may reply privately by using my Reply instead of my Reply to All. If what I have I think could be used by more than the requestor I will use my Reply to All. 3. Rootsweb lists will not take attachments. So if you add them they will never come through. This is one of the levels of protection that makes sure a virus can't come to you from a real rootsweb posting. That is not to say that someone's home computer with an active virus can't send a bogus email that looks like it came from Rootsweb. If you see an attachment (some systems this is a paperclip looking symbol others say attachment) that is a clear indication you probably have someone sending you a virus. Delete that email. It is not coming from us. 4. Virus protection. Think of this like health insurance for your computer. If you don't have it and you get a virus it is going to be very costly. It is work it to run good virus protection. And please set it up for automatic update so you are always running it with the most current versions. This protects you and all your friends on the list. There are lots of good programs out there. (Please DON'T start a discussion about which ones you like on list) 5. HTML vs. Plain Text. HTML allows better formatting but does not work well with Rootsweb. To make sure your emails get through and there are no issues, set your format to Plain Text. This is normally located under either Format, Tool, Options, or Preferences depending upon the software you use. Hope these are of help to you! Always feel free to contact me off list if you have a question or if you are having any difficulty with the list. I want everyone on this list to get the most out of it as they can. Laura

I'm one of the AOL customers happy to be getting e-mail again from Rootsweb lists. A lister from a Scottish list sent this link to Rootsweb re: the solution of the problem. It was a week of downtime. Karen http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/

OK.----Jim --------------------------------------------------------- Hopefully I won't get a bunch of bounces from this... We have had a few days of some of our members being totally blocked from getting their emails. I encourage everyone to check the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-STLOUIS-METRO to make sure they have seen all the messages posted during this time period. Our list count has stayed steady during this time so I don't think we lost anyone. Yeah! Let's get back to our family searching and helping each other. Laura

I will try a lookup and I will also tell you and the list how great it was to get a list e-mail again. I am one of those having trouble with AOL and not getting any messages. Karen

Hopefully I won't get a bunch of bounces from this... We have had a few days of some of our members being totally blocked from getting their emails. I encourage everyone to check the archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-STLOUIS-METRO to make sure they have seen all the messages posted during this time period. Our list count has stayed steady during this time so I don't think we lost anyone. Yeah! Let's get back to our family searching and helping each other. Laura

Hi Could someone please do a lookup for this lady? Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Beitzen" <MBei@freenet.de> To: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Algermissen > Hallo > Maria Beitzen from the lovely village Algermissen, the neighbor community of > Harsum, greets you. If her great-grandfather writes in his diary he would > have gone to Algermissen, then it can been different mean: 1. the village > Algermissen or 2. the numerous families with names Algermissen who live in > Harsum, Algermissen and also in Missouri. > I am not looking for any Mr. Algermissen. > Do I remember correctly, are you a member of the genealogical society of > Missouri? May I ask you for help? > I am looking for my Urgroßonkel Wilhelm or William Beitze which went 1854 to > St. Louis. Wilhelm married on January 24th 1862. has married Wilhelm in > which church and I don't know the name of his wife. I couldn't find him in > the marriage register of the St. Joseph church. Wilhelm has been baptized as > a Catholic. > Wilhelm Beitze, born on 21 August 1832 in Ummeln (today area of Algermissen) > Parents: Wilhelm Beitze and Sophie Rühmes > I only know some English. I have written this letter with the help of a PC > translation program. > Maria Beitzen from Algermissen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> > To: <MBei@freenet.de> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:57 PM > Subject: Algermissen > > > > Hallo > > > > Mein Ur-Grossvater, Conrad Fehlig, aus Harsum, kennt Herr Algermissen in > > Stadt St. louis. > > > > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Dear Jim, I tried to email you directly and it bounced back to me. I did see you "test" post to the list. Georgiafor

Is the list working YET? List members are threatening to start doing housework because they have no amusements in the colder climes.----Jim

The St. Louis Public Library has added 2003 to the obituary index of the Post-Dispatch. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm Georgia

Hi Laura, I have called AOL 3 times and I got a different tech each time, . . . .all hard to understand. Supposedly, they are working on my problem but they obviously didn't have a clue about anything called Rootsweb! Anyway, it isn't just the St. Louis list I'm not getting. . . . . I'm cut off from the world. I do get e-mail but nothing from any of my lists. This is crazy. I must be in withdrawal! I thought I knew how to subscribe, or resubscribe, but I don't seem to. Do I write to a list and put subscribe in the subject or the body of the letter? Sorry, I can't remember. Did you hear from all of those other AOLers who got bounced?? Did anyone get any help? I am sending this to the list as well, to see if I get a copy, just in case AOL has fixed my problem. :) I'm not holding my breath. Thanks. Karen

Dear Laura, The St. Louis Public Library has city directories up to 1980. If Marie was living in St. Louis in 1994 at age 71, she might have been living there in 1980. I would look at the city directories to see if you can find her with her husband. She might still be alive since she is only 80 or 81 years old. Switchboard.com shows 13 Keegans in St. Louis and 46 in Missouri. There is an M. Keegan in Florissant which, I think, is a suburb of St. Louis and there is an M. C. Keegan in Kansas City, MO If she is still alive, I would think she would be listed either under her husband's name even if he is deceased or under her initials. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm Or, try getting an obit for her sister. Library for Lee County Mississippi http://www.li.lib.ms.us/ If the library cannot help, ask if they have any suggestions. Maybe an historical society? Do you have her father's death notice? Maybe that would have her husband's name on it. Georgia Laura Edgar wrote: > I would like to find any information regarding a Marie KEEGAN born about 1923 in Beckemeyer, IL. . She was living in St. Louis in January 1994 (according to her mother's obituary). > > I'd like to find out her husband's name and if there were any children born to them. > > Her parents were Andrew and Barbara Farley (nee BRINKMANN) of Beckemeyer IL. Marie' uncle died January 13, 1997 in and did not mention Marie in his obituary, but he did mention her sister, Elsie Hellige of Breese IL. > > Marie had a sister, Wilma DEMPSEY, and she too was not mentioned in the uncle's obituary of 1997. Wilma lived in Tupelo MS and I checked the SSDI and did find a match for Wilma. I have checked the SSDI for a Marie KEEGAN, born about 1923, but came up with zero. Have also checked the Catholic Cemetery records online and found zero. > > Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated. > > Laura - California > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html.

I want to thank everyone who helped me on the Immigration info for Mathias Kroupa. You people have always been very helpful as usual. Thanks, Pat

Thanks Georgia, I did notice the Keegans listed on Switchboard - and if nothing else turns up, I will try the M. Keegan in Florissant. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgia Clark" <georgia@corpsie.com> To: "Laura Edgar" <laura30@cox.net> Cc: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [StL-Metro] KEEGAN, Marie > Dear Laura, > > The St. Louis Public Library has city directories up to 1980. If Marie was living in St. Louis in 1994 at age 71, she might have been living there in 1980. I would look at the city directories to see if you can find her with her husband. She might still be alive since she is only 80 or 81 years old. Switchboard.com shows 13 Keegans > in St. Louis and 46 in Missouri. There is an M. Keegan in Florissant which, I think, is a suburb of St. Louis and there is an M. C. Keegan in Kansas City, MO If she is still alive, I would think she would be listed either under her husband's name even if he is deceased or under her initials. > > http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm > > Or, try getting an obit for her sister. Library for Lee County Mississippi > > http://www.li.lib.ms.us/ > > If the library cannot help, ask if they have any suggestions. Maybe an historical society? > > Do you have her father's death notice? Maybe that would have her husband's name on it. > > Georgia > > > > Laura Edgar wrote: > > > I would like to find any information regarding a Marie KEEGAN born about 1923 in Beckemeyer, IL. . She was living in St. Louis in January 1994 (according to her mother's obituary). > > > > I'd like to find out her husband's name and if there were any children born to them. > > > > Her parents were Andrew and Barbara Farley (nee BRINKMANN) of Beckemeyer IL. Marie' uncle died January 13, 1997 in and did not mention Marie in his obituary, but he did mention her sister, Elsie Hellige of Breese IL. > > > > Marie had a sister, Wilma DEMPSEY, and she too was not mentioned in the uncle's obituary of 1997. Wilma lived in Tupelo MS and I checked the SSDI and did find a match for Wilma. I have checked the SSDI for a Marie KEEGAN, born about 1923, but came up with zero. Have also checked the Catholic Cemetery records online and found zero. > > > > Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Laura - California > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb forbids posting of copyrighted material without permission of the author. You can read RootsWeb's Acceptable Use Policy at http://rootsweb.com/rootsweb/aup.html. > > >

I would like to find any information regarding a Marie KEEGAN born about 1923 in Beckemeyer, IL. . She was living in St. Louis in January 1994 (according to her mother's obituary). I'd like to find out her husband's name and if there were any children born to them. Her parents were Andrew and Barbara Farley (nee BRINKMANN) of Beckemeyer IL. Marie' uncle died January 13, 1997 in and did not mention Marie in his obituary, but he did mention her sister, Elsie Hellige of Breese IL. Marie had a sister, Wilma DEMPSEY, and she too was not mentioned in the uncle's obituary of 1997. Wilma lived in Tupelo MS and I checked the SSDI and did find a match for Wilma. I have checked the SSDI for a Marie KEEGAN, born about 1923, but came up with zero. Have also checked the Catholic Cemetery records online and found zero. Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated. Laura - California

I am hoping this makes it to all of our wonderful members. Many of you have had 2 days of email bouncing off the list. A few of you said you were getting the mail at the same time the system was saying it was being bounced. Not sure how that happened. I am sending this out to see if we are back on or still having problems. I miss everyone!!!! This is a great list and the number of you who copied me on your emails to your ISP was amazing. All I can say, is don't mess with our list...with over 300 members who care, that is just amazing! You are all wonderful!!!! Hoping this works so we can all get back to our family research! Laura Oh, by the way...to check the archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-STLOUIS-METRO

In a message dated 1/27/04 10:41:31 PM, rbozzay@earthlink.net writes: > http://postmaster.info.aol.com > It looks like AOL was the problem. . . . I just got off the phone with the AOL tech and she instructed me to go to keyword: Mail Controls Change your e-mail set-up to "receive all-e-mail". Mine was restricted.