I received this from the Dogtown list today and thought I would share it - Diane: From Bob Corbett The Missouri Historical Society owns several water colors done by Albert Muegge in the 1880. Cheltenham was growing and he wanted to picture the area as he remembered it being in the 1860s when he was growing up. His father, August was the postmaster and ran the post office and general store at the corner of Dale and Manchester. For ages we've wanted to get copies of these watercolors. Finally Nina Kassing Bryans and Duke McVey undertook that project and now we have both the digital copies (which I just place on my web page today) and framed photos of the watercolors themselves. Actually we have the five which are speciall relevant to the Dogtown area. They include a drawing lookup UP Tamm Ave. (looking north) from about I-44. That drawing has the ONLY drawing I've ever seen of the first St. James Church which was built in 1860 and burned in 1888. What we always called "the old church" was built in 1889 and taken down in the mid-1950s. The present main church was built in 1928. Another drawing has is looking along Tamm Ave. looking west, drawn from about Hampton Ave at West Park. Another is of the Sulphur Springs Hotel and medicinal bath which was just south of Manchester and Sulphur Ave. Enjoy this magnificent and critially important historical watercolors. See: http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/dogtown/people/muegge-paintings.html Thanks so much to Nina and Duke for getting them and the generous financial support of the project!!!! Bob Corbett

the catholic church in collinsville is st.peter and paul catholic church and they have a cemetery in collinsville there were more than 1 coal mine in collinsville il my grandfather worked at the lumaghi coal mine there is also a miners theater that the miners built and the library has some good resourses Kim

Thanks for the info. I'm sure you are right about that. When I first marked that location for the pond I was under the impression that it was within 0.25 miles of that location, but I could easily be wrong about that. Yeah, the city of St. Louis has torn up quite a few things that used to be. I can't seem to find the indian mound north of downtown that was mined away long ago. I'm still searching for it. Maybe this is it, but I thought I had more information on it: Big Mound (historical) : summit : 383836N0901111W : : : Located at Mound St and Broadway. : Removed in 1869. AKA "La Butte De Terre; AKA La Grange de Terre Located here: http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=38.64333&lon=-90.18639&datum=NAD27&s=50&size=l While searching, I did run across the natural bridge that a road was named after. That natural bridge was destroyed: "Gave "Natural Bridge Ave" in St. Louis it's name. The road passed over Rocky Branch Creek over the top of the natural b ridge near the present Salisbury Street. It was destroyed in the 1800's." Mike > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:16:06 -0400 > From: Gary Stoltman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Mike > > Don't think that the pond was that far west. Looking at an 1823 survey map, > it essentially was a "leg & thigh" shaped lake starting at Market & 9th > (leg) on the north; 8th & Spruce on the east; while the west didn't extend > past 10th St for the main portion (thigh). The remainder ran in a > southwesterly direction. Of course, this is an 1823 survey and perhaps the > dimensions changed by the 1840-50s. > > Is Aloe Plaza across from the Station? Have forgotten - lived here since > 1976. > > Also, never realized there was a bluff that far west! > > Gary

Joyce, Thank you for sharing your Fink ancestry. The Finck surname is in the 1836 Census of both Wissembourg and Strasbourg (http://site.viola.fr/census1836/UK/main.html). -----Original Message----- From: Joyce Curry <[email protected]> Sent: Mar 6, 2005 2:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Fink I too, have lots of FINK ancestors, from the Baden area of Germany. Joyce Curry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]

That is the correct couple, however, I have not been able to find any other information on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Look up > Ancestry.com has them listed in the St. Louis Missouri Marriages 1804-76 > Name Edward Aeschliman > Spouse Marie Studer > Marriage Date: 12 April 1859 > Volume/Page: 09-364 > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. >

Mike Don't think that the pond was that far west. Looking at an 1823 survey map, it essentially was a "leg & thigh" shaped lake starting at Market & 9th (leg) on the north; 8th & Spruce on the east; while the west didn't extend past 10th St for the main portion (thigh). The remainder ran in a southwesterly direction. Of course, this is an 1823 survey and perhaps the dimensions changed by the 1840-50s. Is Aloe Plaza across from the Station? Have forgotten - lived here since 1976. Also, never realized there was a bluff that far west! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Flannigan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards > > Thanks Gary. > > Union Station is right there, and I think that is the location of > the infamous Chouteau Pond (historical). > > "What is now Aloe Plaza was the main body of Chouteau's > pond until it was drained after the 1840s cholera epidemic. > Springs from S, W and N drained into the pond, which was > a natural lowlands before being dammed. Apparently the > area, what is now the station, used to be a bluff which was > excavated and taken down to grade, since the railyards are > lower, but not all that low anymore." > > > Mike > > >> Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards >> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:03:06 -0400 >> From: Gary Stoltman <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> >> Hi Mike: >> >> It's 2 blks south of Market. Was Myrtle. It was 3 blocks south at one >> time >> but Elm St. no longer exists. >> >> Gary Stoltman >> Mercerville, NJ > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 > >

Ancestry.com has them listed in the St. Louis Missouri Marriages 1804-76 Name Edward Aeschliman Spouse Marie Studer Marriage Date: 12 April 1859 Volume/Page: 09-364

I am looking for census or something that shows the Aeschliman family, Edward, Maria J., and Edward for 1860. I am looking for my Great Great Grandparents Edward Aeschliman and Marie J. Studer, both were born in Switzerland. Marie J. Studer was born in Switzerland, Feb. 1836, and came to the United States in 1853. The Studer family was Catholic and possibly had priests in the family because Marie and Edward left shortl;y after the birth of Edward and returned to Switzerland. Edward also served in the Civil War and the entire family returned in 1882 from Switzerland and settled in Ohio. I am at a brick wall on this side of the family, everyone that knew anything passed away. Denise Ashleman

Diane, this is a very neat website. thanks, Sharon Reif > I recently found a "stray" McGOLDRICK who was working as a coal miner in > Collinsville, IL. In researching him, I found that there were a lot of > Irish workers in the mine! > > In my case, this fellow (Charles Mc GOLRIC) lived in St. Louis, then > moved to Collinsville to work in the mine when it opened in the 1880's. > I think it might be worth your time to check out this web site and look > for any "brick wall" surnames you might have. > > http://www.iltrails.org/madison/mcdirectory.htm > > Thanks to Mary who gave me the following information: > > Until about 50 years ago, there was a Lumaghi coal mine in Collinsville > and a Bethel Mine on the outskirts, probably in Caseyville. I am sure > there were many others as both St. Clair and Madison Counties had > many. As far as I know, there is only one Catholic Church in > Collinsville, Sts. Peter and Paul. > > > Diane Shaw > Soggy in Hillsboro > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website > (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. >

The St. Louis Public Library now has the index to the 1924 obits/burial permits. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit.htm

I recently found a "stray" McGOLDRICK who was working as a coal miner in Collinsville, IL. In researching him, I found that there were a lot of Irish workers in the mine! In my case, this fellow (Charles Mc GOLRIC) lived in St. Louis, then moved to Collinsville to work in the mine when it opened in the 1880's. I think it might be worth your time to check out this web site and look for any "brick wall" surnames you might have. http://www.iltrails.org/madison/mcdirectory.htm Thanks to Mary who gave me the following information: Until about 50 years ago, there was a Lumaghi coal mine in Collinsville and a Bethel Mine on the outskirts, probably in Caseyville. I am sure there were many others as both St. Clair and Madison Counties had many. As far as I know, there is only one Catholic Church in Collinsville, Sts. Peter and Paul. Diane Shaw Soggy in Hillsboro

Diane, I grew up in Collinsville, try contacting the Collinsville Memorial Public Library - 408 W. Main St., Collinsville, IL 62234. Phone (618) 344-1112, or e-mail [email protected] . This info is off a flyer my mom got for me, so if any of it isn't current, e-mail me back and I'll have her check it out - she still lives in Collinsville. I'm in Kansas now, so I can't help much at the moment. I do go back home though a couple times a year. Yes, there's lots of coal mines there, and the one Catholic church I can recall (I went to school there) is Saints Peter and Paul Catholic Church and School - it's right in the downtown area. C'ville isn't very big, so you should be able to find what you need. Good luck! Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Coal Mine in Collinsville or Alton IL in late 1800s >I have been trying to identify a "stray" McGOLDRICK family member. This >fellow is Charles McGOLRIC. He is in the 1880 census, but Ancestry has >linked the wrong image to his record. LDS lists him as living in >Collinsville, Madison County, IL. His wife was Bridget McKernan, Smith, >McGOLRIC. She lived in St. Louis before she married him and after he died. >She married him some time around 1880. They are buried in Collinsville, IL >according to her obit. > > Almost every family living around them in 1880 listed "Coal Miner" as > their occupation. Does anyone know about any coal mines in Alton or > Collinsville, IL in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Was there more than > one? I am interested in seeing if I can get records of employement from > the Coal Co. This man was born in Ireland during a year that would fit > into my family above my gggrandfather. His name and even the middle > initial match a name in our family. > I can't find an obit on him and he is not mentioned in his widow's obit. I > think that is strange. Both of them are buried "in Collinsville", but I > don't know where. This was a Catholic family, so I need to research > Catholic churches in Collinsville, IL in the late 1800s. > > Any ideas from this most astute group? > > Diane Shaw > Flooded in Hillsboro, MO > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if > you are on the Digest List [email protected] > >

Hello Diane, My gg grandfather, Fred Brinkmann's son, William, lived in Beckemeyer Illinois and was a coal miner. He was employed at the Beckemeyer Coal mines. I would do a search for any Catholic Church in Collinsville and call them - perhaps they can give you the names of all the Catholic Churches at that time. Good luck. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Coal Mine in Collinsville or Alton IL in late 1800s >I have been trying to identify a "stray" McGOLDRICK family member. This >fellow is Charles McGOLRIC. He is in the 1880 census, but Ancestry has >linked the wrong image to his record. LDS lists him as living in >Collinsville, Madison County, IL. His wife was Bridget McKernan, Smith, >McGOLRIC. She lived in St. Louis before she married him and after he died. >She married him some time around 1880. They are buried in Collinsville, IL >according to her obit. > > Almost every family living around them in 1880 listed "Coal Miner" as > their occupation. Does anyone know about any coal mines in Alton or > Collinsville, IL in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Was there more than > one? I am interested in seeing if I can get records of employement from > the Coal Co. This man was born in Ireland during a year that would fit > into my family above my gggrandfather. His name and even the middle > initial match a name in our family. > I can't find an obit on him and he is not mentioned in his widow's obit. I > think that is strange. Both of them are buried "in Collinsville", but I > don't know where. This was a Catholic family, so I need to research > Catholic churches in Collinsville, IL in the late 1800s. > > Any ideas from this most astute group? > > Diane Shaw > Flooded in Hillsboro, MO > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if > you are on the Digest List [email protected] > >

I have been trying to identify a "stray" McGOLDRICK family member. This fellow is Charles McGOLRIC. He is in the 1880 census, but Ancestry has linked the wrong image to his record. LDS lists him as living in Collinsville, Madison County, IL. His wife was Bridget McKernan, Smith, McGOLRIC. She lived in St. Louis before she married him and after he died. She married him some time around 1880. They are buried in Collinsville, IL according to her obit. Almost every family living around them in 1880 listed "Coal Miner" as their occupation. Does anyone know about any coal mines in Alton or Collinsville, IL in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Was there more than one? I am interested in seeing if I can get records of employement from the Coal Co. This man was born in Ireland during a year that would fit into my family above my gggrandfather. His name and even the middle initial match a name in our family. I can't find an obit on him and he is not mentioned in his widow's obit. I think that is strange. Both of them are buried "in Collinsville", but I don't know where. This was a Catholic family, so I need to research Catholic churches in Collinsville, IL in the late 1800s. Any ideas from this most astute group? Diane Shaw Flooded in Hillsboro, MO

Thanks Gary. Union Station is right there, and I think that is the location of the infamous Chouteau Pond (historical). "What is now Aloe Plaza was the main body of Chouteau's pond until it was drained after the 1840s cholera epidemic. Springs from S, W and N drained into the pond, which was a natural lowlands before being dammed. Apparently the area, what is now the station, used to be a bluff which was excavated and taken down to grade, since the railyards are lower, but not all that low anymore." Mike > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards > Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:03:06 -0400 > From: Gary Stoltman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Hi Mike: > > It's 2 blks south of Market. Was Myrtle. It was 3 blocks south at one time > but Elm St. no longer exists. > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ

Hi Mike: It's 2 blks south of Market. Was Myrtle. It was 3 blocks south at one time but Elm St. no longer exists. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Flannigan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards > > The Bambrick-Bates Construction Company operated in that > area, but I'm not sure they made bricks. > > Is Clark north or south of Market in that area? > > > Mike > > >> So I asked for list-help with this question in 2003. Now I have found out >> that my info was slightly >> askew. My ancestor worked at a brickyard that was where they built Union >> Station. >> >> How can I find out what brickyard might have existed in the >> 1850s/1860s/1870s around the >> Market/18th/Clark/20th area ? >> >> So far Directories for the ancestor have only listed where he boarded; >> not where he worked. >> Any leads would be greatly appreciated !! >> Elizabeth > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if > you are on the Digest List [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 > >

Elizabeth, look at the St Louis Archdiocese Cemeteries online listing of burials. There are 50 people buried in the Crinnion-Lawless plot and I have been unable to identify all of them. I suspect that some of the men had worked in the Crinnion-Moran Quarry. Ellen > > >> So I asked for list-help with this question in 2003. Now I have found out that my info was slightly >> askew. My ancestor worked at a brickyard that was where they built Union Station. >> >> How can I find out what brickyard might have existed in the 1850s/1860s/1870s around the >> Market/18th/Clark/20th area ? >> >> So far Directories for the ancestor have only listed where he boarded; not where he worked. >> Any leads would be greatly appreciated !! >> Elizabeth > > >==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

The Bambrick-Bates Construction Company operated in that area, but I'm not sure they made bricks. Is Clark north or south of Market in that area? Mike > So I asked for list-help with this question in 2003. Now I have found out that my info was slightly > askew. My ancestor worked at a brickyard that was where they built Union Station. > > How can I find out what brickyard might have existed in the 1850s/1860s/1870s around the > Market/18th/Clark/20th area ? > > So far Directories for the ancestor have only listed where he boarded; not where he worked. > Any leads would be greatly appreciated !! > Elizabeth

Hi Elizabeth: The architect for Union Station was German trained Theodore C. Link. Don't know how much local 'brick' was used. "The Market & 18th street facades were built using gray Indiana limestone masonry. The west & south walls were gray brick above and buff brick below the roof of the train shed and the roof was covered with gray Spanish tile." (Lion of the Valley pgs. 294-295) Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: RE: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Old St Louis brickyards > The CRINNIONs owned some property on Green Street at 20th in 1860s. They > were stone and brick masons in the 1850-1910 era. I have never been able > to find it on Mapquest but that would explain it if Union Station was > built there. > Ellen > CRINNION, MORAN, HOULIHAN, HUNT > > > > "Elizabeth Gerber" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>So I asked for list-help with this question in 2003. Now I have found out >>that my info was slightly >>askew. My ancestor worked at a brickyard that was where they built Union >>Station. >> >>How can I find out what brickyard might have existed in the >>1850s/1860s/1870s around the >>Market/18th/Clark/20th area ? >> >>So far Directories for the ancestor have only listed where he boarded; not >>where he worked. >>Any leads would be greatly appreciated !! >>Elizabeth >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 5:33 PM >>Subject: RE: [StL-Metro] Terminal RR Assoc. of St. Louis >>Hi list- On a slightly related but tangential subject, how would I find >>out which brickyard(s) built Union Station? I checked the Union Station >>website & the Terminal RR Assnwebsite, but no luck. Any of you wise folks >>know? Thanks- E >> >> >> >>==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== >>NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, >>political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal >>messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be >>grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen >>Burnett [email protected] >> >> > > __________________________________________________________________ > Switch to Netscape Internet Service. > As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at > http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.15 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 > >

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