Does anyone know who might hold the record for Suedmeyer & Sons Funeral Home. Karel Louisville

Lists: I would suggest that any of you that can make it, take advantage. This is a big-time, well published expert. I'd love to be there. Thanks Diane- Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ --------------------------------------------------------- On Saturday, June 25th at 10:00 AM the St. Louis County Library Headquarters will have a speaker named Dr. Walter D. Kamphoefner , a professor of history at Texas A&M and a fifth generation Missouri German. His talk is named: "Uprooted or Transplanted? Patterns of German Immigration to Missouri." Here is the info from the St. Louis County Library web site: "Using real-life examples, including some from his own family history, Dr. Kamphoefner, a fifth-generation descendant of Missouri Germans, will discuss his research of large-scale chain migration - people immigrating to places where they already had personal connections - making immigration much less traumatic. Contact: Headquarters - Special Collections 314-994-3300 ext 208" My bet is that this class will fill quickly, so I would encourage anyone interested to call the library and see if reservations are needed.

Hi Bill: So, YOU'RE the one my aunt complained about! Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill olbrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Veiled Prophet > The real question is, where did you buy your beanshooter and beans to > harass the girls on the floats? Also, were the trolley cars, upon which > they sat, horse-drawn and not motor-drawn? > ===+Bill > > Bob Doerr <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > There is a neat spread about the Veiled Prophet parade in the > Anzeiger des Westens newspaper, 03 Oct 1897, pp. 20-21. > > In the 1930s, when my aunt lived in an apartment at Sarah and Lindell, we > had a great view of the V.P. parade on the street car tracks on Lindell. > > In those days, by drawing power from the street car electrical system, the > floats, although horse-drawn, were brilliantly lighted. I suppose safety > rules now would make it difficult to do such a thing; 440 volts DC can be > lethal. > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website > (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a > look. > > > > "You can't know if 18-, 19-, or 20-year-olds ever believe what you're > saying" > --Tyrone Willingham > Bill Olbrich 8723 Brigeport Ave St. Louis, MO 63144 (314) 961-3036 > <[email protected]> > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website > (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a > look. > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 > >

Hi Bob: My 19 year-old aunt & godmother Adele Stoltman was in that parade as a "maid-of-honor" in 1930. Do you know where it started and ended then? Thanks for the personal description - helps bring life to the story - sending to her 'Notes.' Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:55 AM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Veiled Prophet > Hi > > There is a neat spread about the Veiled Prophet parade in the > Anzeiger des Westens newspaper, 03 Oct 1897, pp. 20-21. > > In the 1930s, when my aunt lived in an apartment at Sarah and Lindell, we > had a great view of the V.P. parade on the street car tracks on Lindell. > > In those days, by drawing power from the street car electrical system, the > floats, although horse-drawn, were brilliantly lighted. I suppose safety > rules now would make it difficult to do such a thing; 440 volts DC can be > lethal. > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website > (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a > look. > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 > >

I have an ancestor named Keziah (female). Karen

Bockwurst is not easily found in St. Louis anymore either. I get it at Schnucks for my oldest daughter.

Bockworst is on this site. http://allrecipes.com/advice/ref/ency/terms/5420.asp<http://allrecipes.com/advice/ref/ency/terms/5420.asp> ----- Original Message ----- From: Georgia Clark<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] St. Louis cuisine Dear List Members, I was looking through some old letters written by members of my mother's family and in one of them a dish called pickled pork and cabbage was mentioned. Anyone familiar with this dish? In another letter my aunt who had moved to Wisconsin from St. Louis lamented the fact that she could not get bockwurst, that all they had in Wisconsin was bratwurst. What is bockwurst? Georgia ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> or if you are on the Digest List [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

Dear List Members, I was looking through some old letters written by members of my mother's family and in one of them a dish called pickled pork and cabbage was mentioned. Anyone familiar with this dish? In another letter my aunt who had moved to Wisconsin from St. Louis lamented the fact that she could not get bockwurst, that all they had in Wisconsin was bratwurst. What is bockwurst? Georgia

Dear Diane, Any idea why they changed. None of my bookmarks are any good any more. Georgia Diane wrote: > If you have trouble with the library's new website (like slow loading > due to java scripts), try bookmarking the genealogy page. It is here: > > http://www.slcl.org/branches/hq/sc > __________________________________________________ > > On Saturday, June 25th at 10:00 AM the St. Louis County Library > Headquarters will have a speaker named Dr. Walter D. Kamphoefner , a > professor of history at Texas A&M and a fifth generation Missouri > German. His talk is named: "Uprooted or Transplanted? Patterns of German > Immigration to Missouri." Here is the info from the St. Louis County > Library web site: > > "Using real-life examples, including some from his own family history, > Dr. Kamphoefner, a fifth-generation descendant of Missouri Germans, will > discuss his research of large-scale chain migration — people immigrating > to places where they already had personal connections — making > immigration much less traumatic. Contact: Headquarters - Special > Collections 314-994-3300 ext 208" > > My bet is that this class will fill quickly, so I would encourage anyone > interested to call the library and see if reservations are needed. > > __________________________________________________________________________________________ > The following article is reprinted with permission of the author. > > "Maybe Your Irish Ancestor's Given Name is Not the Name You've Been > Searching" > > We have all been reminded to check the various ways of spelling a > surname but most of us forget about variances to our ancestors' given > names. When I discovered that my ancestor, Eugene Finnigan was named > after his father, Owen Finnigan, I was truly surprised. I went back to > check other records and sure enough, Nancy was Honora! There are many > excellent books in Salt Lake City with name feferences and the list > below is English names and the Irish counterpart of the names mentioned > most often in the many books. Just be aware of the name change > possibility when you seem to be hitting a brick wall in your research. > > Abigail - Libby, Gail Abbie > Alice - Elsie, Alicia, Lizzie > Eileen - Ellen, Evelyn, Helen, Nellie, Lena > Ann - Hannah, Johanna > Benjamin - Bernard > Bernard - Benjamin, Brian Bryan > Bridget- Biddy, Brenda, Delia, Dina, Bess > Catherine - Kathleen, Cassie, Cathy, Kate, Kitty, Trina > Charles - Carl > Daniel - Donald, Donny > Dennis - Duncan > Doreen - Dora, Dorothy > Edwin - Edward, Edmund > Eleanor - Lena, Nora, Ellen Helen, Evelyn Ellie > Elizabeth - Bess, Betsy, Betty, Sheila, Eliza, Biddy > Ellen - Nellie, Lena, Helen, Eleanor > Eugene - Owen > Felix - Phillip > Frances - Fanny > Garret - Gary, Gerard > Gertrude - Grace, Trudie > Honora - Anna, Nancy, Johanna, Nora, Ann > Harold - Henry > Herbert - Hugh > Isabel - Elizabeth > James - Jacob, Jim, Shamus > Jane - Janet, Jean, Joan > John - Sean, Jack, Shane > Louis/Lewis - Aloysius, Lucius > Margaret - Peggy, Molly, Rita, Greta, Polly, Madge, Marge, Meg, Maggie > Mary - Molly, Maureen, Minnie, Mamie, Marie, Maria > Nancy - Ann, Hannah > Nicholas - Colin > Penelope - Fiona, enny > Pierce - Peter > Robert - Robin, Burt > Rose - Roseann, Rosetta > Sarah - Sara, Sadie, Sally > William - Liam, Will > end of article > > I might add that when you are studying Latin records, look for > Guillermus/Guillermo which is William. Then there is Jacobus, which is > James. Most of the latin names are distinguishable as their English > counterparts. > > Diane Shaw > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List [email protected]

Diane, What is another name for Cassiah? Thanks! Mary/IL

The floats were out of range. The cars were horse-drawn, electrically lighted from the trolley wire and grounded tracks. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill olbrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Veiled Prophet > The real question is, where did you buy your beanshooter and beans to harass the girls on the floats? Also, were the trolley cars, upon which they sat, horse-drawn and not motor-drawn? > ===+Bill > > Bob Doerr <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi > > There is a neat spread about the Veiled Prophet parade in the > Anzeiger des Westens newspaper, 03 Oct 1897, pp. 20-21. > > In the 1930s, when my aunt lived in an apartment at Sarah and Lindell, we > had a great view of the V.P. parade on the street car tracks on Lindell. > > In those days, by drawing power from the street car electrical system, the > floats, although horse-drawn, were brilliantly lighted. I suppose safety > rules now would make it difficult to do such a thing; 440 volts DC can be > lethal. > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > > > > "You can't know if 18-, 19-, or 20-year-olds ever believe what you're saying" > --Tyrone Willingham > Bill Olbrich 8723 Brigeport Ave St. Louis, MO 63144 (314) 961-3036 <[email protected]> > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. > > >

If you have trouble with the library's new website (like slow loading due to java scripts), try bookmarking the genealogy page. It is here: http://www.slcl.org/branches/hq/sc __________________________________________________ On Saturday, June 25th at 10:00 AM the St. Louis County Library Headquarters will have a speaker named Dr. Walter D. Kamphoefner , a professor of history at Texas A&M and a fifth generation Missouri German. His talk is named: "Uprooted or Transplanted? Patterns of German Immigration to Missouri." Here is the info from the St. Louis County Library web site: "Using real-life examples, including some from his own family history, Dr. Kamphoefner, a fifth-generation descendant of Missouri Germans, will discuss his research of large-scale chain migration — people immigrating to places where they already had personal connections — making immigration much less traumatic. Contact: Headquarters - Special Collections 314-994-3300 ext 208" My bet is that this class will fill quickly, so I would encourage anyone interested to call the library and see if reservations are needed. __________________________________________________________________________________________ The following article is reprinted with permission of the author. "Maybe Your Irish Ancestor's Given Name is Not the Name You've Been Searching" We have all been reminded to check the various ways of spelling a surname but most of us forget about variances to our ancestors' given names. When I discovered that my ancestor, Eugene Finnigan was named after his father, Owen Finnigan, I was truly surprised. I went back to check other records and sure enough, Nancy was Honora! There are many excellent books in Salt Lake City with name feferences and the list below is English names and the Irish counterpart of the names mentioned most often in the many books. Just be aware of the name change possibility when you seem to be hitting a brick wall in your research. Abigail - Libby, Gail Abbie Alice - Elsie, Alicia, Lizzie Eileen - Ellen, Evelyn, Helen, Nellie, Lena Ann - Hannah, Johanna Benjamin - Bernard Bernard - Benjamin, Brian Bryan Bridget- Biddy, Brenda, Delia, Dina, Bess Catherine - Kathleen, Cassie, Cathy, Kate, Kitty, Trina Charles - Carl Daniel - Donald, Donny Dennis - Duncan Doreen - Dora, Dorothy Edwin - Edward, Edmund Eleanor - Lena, Nora, Ellen Helen, Evelyn Ellie Elizabeth - Bess, Betsy, Betty, Sheila, Eliza, Biddy Ellen - Nellie, Lena, Helen, Eleanor Eugene - Owen Felix - Phillip Frances - Fanny Garret - Gary, Gerard Gertrude - Grace, Trudie Honora - Anna, Nancy, Johanna, Nora, Ann Harold - Henry Herbert - Hugh Isabel - Elizabeth James - Jacob, Jim, Shamus Jane - Janet, Jean, Joan John - Sean, Jack, Shane Louis/Lewis - Aloysius, Lucius Margaret - Peggy, Molly, Rita, Greta, Polly, Madge, Marge, Meg, Maggie Mary - Molly, Maureen, Minnie, Mamie, Marie, Maria Nancy - Ann, Hannah Nicholas - Colin Penelope - Fiona, enny Pierce - Peter Robert - Robin, Burt Rose - Roseann, Rosetta Sarah - Sara, Sadie, Sally William - Liam, Will end of article I might add that when you are studying Latin records, look for Guillermus/Guillermo which is William. Then there is Jacobus, which is James. Most of the latin names are distinguishable as their English counterparts. Diane Shaw

Bob, I was taken to my first VP Parade probably 1936 when I was 5. I have a memory of young boys walking between the floats carrying torches. Or is my memory faulty? I do remember how beautifully lit the floats were and how the electric lines would spit sparks sometimes as the floats went by. And what an important event it was -almost equal to Halloween in those years. As I remember there were large crowds and there was an atmosphere of excitement Most years it was cold (seems Octobers were colder then) and of course dark which added to the mystery. I remember not wanting to be too close to the floats as some of the Crewe were made up to look rather frightening. (I think it was Pirates . I was a scaredy cat kid!) Thanks for the memory, Joan Schaller Yeckel

The real question is, where did you buy your beanshooter and beans to harass the girls on the floats? Also, were the trolley cars, upon which they sat, horse-drawn and not motor-drawn? ===+Bill Bob Doerr <[email protected]> wrote: Hi There is a neat spread about the Veiled Prophet parade in the Anzeiger des Westens newspaper, 03 Oct 1897, pp. 20-21. In the 1930s, when my aunt lived in an apartment at Sarah and Lindell, we had a great view of the V.P. parade on the street car tracks on Lindell. In those days, by drawing power from the street car electrical system, the floats, although horse-drawn, were brilliantly lighted. I suppose safety rules now would make it difficult to do such a thing; 440 volts DC can be lethal. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. "You can't know if 18-, 19-, or 20-year-olds ever believe what you're saying" --Tyrone Willingham Bill Olbrich 8723 Brigeport Ave St. Louis, MO 63144 (314) 961-3036 <[email protected]>

Hi There is a neat spread about the Veiled Prophet parade in the Anzeiger des Westens newspaper, 03 Oct 1897, pp. 20-21. In the 1930s, when my aunt lived in an apartment at Sarah and Lindell, we had a great view of the V.P. parade on the street car tracks on Lindell. In those days, by drawing power from the street car electrical system, the floats, although horse-drawn, were brilliantly lighted. I suppose safety rules now would make it difficult to do such a thing; 440 volts DC can be lethal. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks

Hi Bob: According to D.H. Rule's "Civil War in St. Louis" page - (well woth checking out) http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/index.html#sitemap The name shows as, "Peter Tallon" in a Globe article. Also, shows in the 1864 Directory as, "Captain Peter Fallon [sic Tallon]" I don't know if the [sic] was added by the Directory or the webmaster. So, you may not be any closer than you were - but I'd be leaning towards Tallon. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Peter Fallon > Hi, y'all, > > Peter Fallon was Chief of Military Police in St. Louis during the Civil > War. > > I seek verification (or refutation) that his name was indeed Fallon. > Some contend that it was Tallon. > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/2005 > >

More Friedens Messengers Aug and Sept. 1950 Marriages Kenneth Milton Roth and Marilyn Ruth Cox. June 24 Clinton Ervin Barrar, and Marie Clara Samples, witnesses Oral d. Eagle and Sarah Eagle June 30th William Marvin Willis and Willie Grace Mccauley july 7th Russell Lares Tubbesing, and Liene Olga Zachritz, witness Raymond Tubbesing and June Zachritz. July11 Floyd Cedric Gremar, and Patricia lou Ellis, witness, James Rudolph , and Patricia Brady.aug. 2 Kenneth Atwood Bassett and Katherine Jean Montague aug 8 Robert Kunklemann and Kathryn Lippott aug 21 The Chapel of sorrow, deaths Fred Sanders borned oct. 1 1897 died june 28th Louise Swoboda nee Hermann borned feb.16th 1867 died june 29th Irvin Hampton borned jan 18 1893 died june 30 Roy Wesley Hargrove borned june 7 1894 died july12 Mildred Steinmann nee Kraemer borned nov 7th 1904 died july11 william Reppeg born oct 29th 1879 died july 14 Elizabeth Heckmann nee Koenemann, " not this is a relative of mine" borned april 16th 1870 died july 24th John Golden borned aug.8th 1898 died july 30th John F Gehle borned aug. 22 1875 died aug 4th Charles Schmidt borned may23 1869 died aug.9th Max Sending borned aug.8th 1886 died aug 20 Herman luther Tucker borned dec.9th 1904 died aug 15th Louise Brockmeyer nee Bartel borned july 22 1873 died aur. 18th George W. Horn borned aug. 8th 1886 dide aug. 20th Almost all these have obits and stories on there lives... Birth annocements Kurt Robert son of robert Mill and Marion nee Aye borne april 8 James fred son of Fred Gerding and Rosina nee Stoeltzer feb 12 Edith Louise, daughter of david r larsen and edith louis nee Lapmpert bornd sept. 29th Elaine mae daughter of James wasson and Mary nee Hanock july 2 earl charles jr. son of Earl Chares Morris and Nora m. nee Boettcher borned july 1 Michael William son of Erwin Holthaus and Rosemary nee Schulze born april3 if anyone wants copies of this stuff just let me know Ken

Just today I had occasion to look at the Accelerated 1860 index. Y'know, Fallon vs. Tallon. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Re: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V05 #116 > > So is there an 1860 census index that IS complete? I know there are census > indexes you can buy on CD? Does anyone know if they are complete? > > Thanks for telling us about this. > > Kathy > > > In a message dated 5/2/2005 2:40:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > trend > in the requests lately. It brings up a trap I fell into quite some time > ago. The 1860 census of St. Louis (and the rest of the US) is not fully > indexed in Ancestry or in Heritage Quest either. I am not sure that it > is fully indexed on any on-line data base. I notice that there are > folks who are assuming that their rellie was not in St. Louis because > they did not find them in the on line index. That's not true! > > If you don't find your rellie in the on line index to the 1860 census of > St. Louis, call the libraries and ask for a lookup in the 1860 census > index. It is a hard copy book that is alphabetized, so lookups are > fairly easy. > > > > I am listed on Dave Lossos site as willing to do look-ups in the 1860 > census > index. but PLEASE - give me a first name and approximate age if you can - > especially if you have a common surname. > > Linda > > ______________________________ > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] > > >

So is there an 1860 census index that IS complete? I know there are census indexes you can buy on CD? Does anyone know if they are complete? Thanks for telling us about this. Kathy In a message dated 5/2/2005 2:40:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: trend in the requests lately. It brings up a trap I fell into quite some time ago. The 1860 census of St. Louis (and the rest of the US) is not fully indexed in Ancestry or in Heritage Quest either. I am not sure that it is fully indexed on any on-line data base. I notice that there are folks who are assuming that their rellie was not in St. Louis because they did not find them in the on line index. That's not true! If you don't find your rellie in the on line index to the 1860 census of St. Louis, call the libraries and ask for a lookup in the 1860 census index. It is a hard copy book that is alphabetized, so lookups are fairly easy. I am listed on Dave Lossos site as willing to do look-ups in the 1860 census index. but PLEASE - give me a first name and approximate age if you can - especially if you have a common surname. Linda ______________________________

Hi, y'all, Peter Fallon was Chief of Military Police in St. Louis during the Civil War. I seek verification (or refutation) that his name was indeed Fallon. Some contend that it was Tallon. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks