Mike, Unfortunately the photocopy of the map is kind of fuzzy, and there is no coordinates. Someone would have to visit these points and record coordinates on a GPS. I would be willing to do it but I don't have a GPS receiver. Scott K. Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Flannigan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Re: Underground Mines of St. Louis Very nice. Thanks for posting that. Any chance you have lat/long locations for the mine entrances? I plan to cross reference this by name with my material to see if there is new information here. I suspect there is. Mike Flannigan [email protected] wrote: > Subject: Underground Mines of St. Louis > Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 22:32:23 -0500 > From: "ShowMeMule" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Quite some time ago sombody inquired about clay or coal mines in St. Louis. Their ancestor was a miner if I recall correctly. > > I can across a pretty comprehensive listing of 80 or so underground clay and coal mines under the City of St. Louis (a few in the > county as well). Its pretty interesting to see we have entire blocks that have mines beneath the surface. Most of them were dug > out using vertical shafts 40-100 ft. deep. This explains why we have so many bricks in this city. We have abundant fire clay > deposits so mines riddle our underground. Some of the old bricks we find today bear the names of the various clay mines (like > "Laclede" or "Evans and Howard"). > > In some areas of the city, there are mine shafts even inside the basements of the houses. That could be a source of free air > conditioning if one looks to the bright side of the matter. Other shafts dot beneath alleys and roadways. Some blocked up by brick > and others simply by timbers. The "Dogtown" area and South St. Louis contain the largest acreage of underground mines. (There is a > mine beneath the St. Louis Zoo and another beneath Deaconess Hospital). A lot of the area north of Watson Road, between Gravois and > Kingshighway is underlaiden by vast pillared rooms that interconnect from one to another. One mine was accidently opened during the > widening of Gravios in 1930. > > There is much we don't know as most mines were never mapped. Many are only known by the approximate location of its entry shaft. > They date anywhere from the 1820's to up in the 1940-50's when the last of them were mined. I posted a listing on the web at: > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/underground_stl.htm > > or go to my main page and follow the link. > > Scott K. Williams, > History's Time Portal to Old St. Louis > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/ ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]

Very nice. Thanks for posting that. Any chance you have lat/long locations for the mine entrances? I plan to cross reference this by name with my material to see if there is new information here. I suspect there is. Mike Flannigan [email protected] wrote: > Subject: Underground Mines of St. Louis > Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 22:32:23 -0500 > From: "ShowMeMule" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > Quite some time ago sombody inquired about clay or coal mines in St. Louis. Their ancestor was a miner if I recall correctly. > > I can across a pretty comprehensive listing of 80 or so underground clay and coal mines under the City of St. Louis (a few in the > county as well). Its pretty interesting to see we have entire blocks that have mines beneath the surface. Most of them were dug > out using vertical shafts 40-100 ft. deep. This explains why we have so many bricks in this city. We have abundant fire clay > deposits so mines riddle our underground. Some of the old bricks we find today bear the names of the various clay mines (like > "Laclede" or "Evans and Howard"). > > In some areas of the city, there are mine shafts even inside the basements of the houses. That could be a source of free air > conditioning if one looks to the bright side of the matter. Other shafts dot beneath alleys and roadways. Some blocked up by brick > and others simply by timbers. The "Dogtown" area and South St. Louis contain the largest acreage of underground mines. (There is a > mine beneath the St. Louis Zoo and another beneath Deaconess Hospital). A lot of the area north of Watson Road, between Gravois and > Kingshighway is underlaiden by vast pillared rooms that interconnect from one to another. One mine was accidently opened during the > widening of Gravios in 1930. > > There is much we don't know as most mines were never mapped. Many are only known by the approximate location of its entry shaft. > They date anywhere from the 1820's to up in the 1940-50's when the last of them were mined. I posted a listing on the web at: > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/underground_stl.htm > > or go to my main page and follow the link. > > Scott K. Williams, > History's Time Portal to Old St. Louis > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/

Quite some time ago sombody inquired about clay or coal mines in St. Louis. Their ancestor was a miner if I recall correctly. I can across a pretty comprehensive listing of 80 or so underground clay and coal mines under the City of St. Louis (a few in the county as well). Its pretty interesting to see we have entire blocks that have mines beneath the surface. Most of them were dug out using vertical shafts 40-100 ft. deep. This explains why we have so many bricks in this city. We have abundant fire clay deposits so mines riddle our underground. Some of the old bricks we find today bear the names of the various clay mines (like "Laclede" or "Evans and Howard"). In some areas of the city, there are mine shafts even inside the basements of the houses. That could be a source of free air conditioning if one looks to the bright side of the matter. Other shafts dot beneath alleys and roadways. Some blocked up by brick and others simply by timbers. The "Dogtown" area and South St. Louis contain the largest acreage of underground mines. (There is a mine beneath the St. Louis Zoo and another beneath Deaconess Hospital). A lot of the area north of Watson Road, between Gravois and Kingshighway is underlaiden by vast pillared rooms that interconnect from one to another. One mine was accidently opened during the widening of Gravios in 1930. There is much we don't know as most mines were never mapped. Many are only known by the approximate location of its entry shaft. They date anywhere from the 1820's to up in the 1940-50's when the last of them were mined. I posted a listing on the web at: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/underground_stl.htm or go to my main page and follow the link. Scott K. Williams, History's Time Portal to Old St. Louis http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/

I have a photograph dated 1891 of an older gentleman (looks the age of a Civil War veteran) that was purchased in an auction. On back is written, "Inspector L. Huberle". There is an "umlaut" (two dots) over the "u". The photo was definitely taken in St. Louis as it was made by Hammer studios at 1534 South Broadway, St. Louis, Mo. I am looking to identify this gentleman and his family. I will scan the image and make it available to anyone wishing to seeing it. Scott K. Williams, History's Time Portal to Old St. Louis http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/

Just so no on ethinkns I was "misleading" them about the Heritage Quest through the Godfrey, this statement was posted on the GODFERY_HELP_MAILING list by Thomas Kemp, see below: Anyone can sign up for this list. The address to sign up is right below his name. > > > > > >==== GODFREY-LIBRARY-HELP Mailing List ==== > > > > HQ indexes include: > > Head of Household > > Persons with a different surname than Head of Household > > All men 55 and up > > All women 70 and up > > > > Ancestry: has mostly everyname indexes. > > > > You can use the Ancestry indexes INSIDE the library. > > > > Studies of both indexes have shown that of the content indexed HQ > > has more complete indexing. > > > > Tom > > > > Thomas Jay Kemp, Director > > Godfrey Memorial Library > > 134 Newfield Street > > Middletown, CT 06457-2534 > > > > Phone: 860-346-4375 Cell: 860-218-5479 > > Fax: 860-347-9874 Email: [email protected] > > Web site: http://www.Godfrey.org > > Listserv: [email protected] > > > > ______________________________ > > ______________________________ ______________________________ In a message dated 5/15/2005 2:39:18 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Your statement "Heritage Quest census: only indexes males over age 50 and females over age 70" is incorrect. I have found every relative sought whatever their age. The indexes include prisoners, children in foundling homes, persons confined to infirmaries, etc. all of whom are not head of households. What is the basis for your misleading statement? June, St. Louis, MO

Dianne, I have had a subscription to the Godfrey Library for 2 years and am fairly well satisfied. There is a Godfrey mailing list through Rootsweb that anyone can sign up for. Something I did not realize until now is that the census index from Heritage Quest only indexes males over 55 years and females over 70 years and anyone with a different surname than the head of the household. . Some people are also having problems with their firewalls getting through to the Godfrey. (I had this problem but was able to get through using Firefox. However, now I hear there is a problem with Firefox.) Here's what I saw for NJ. NJ Gazetteer (javascript:OpenWindowWithToolBar('WebLinkPage.asp?myses=399200&cuid=gdml&cusrvr=minerva&xdbkey=614','WebLink',667,530,200,200 )) NJ Hopewell Herald (1881-2003) (javascript:OpenWindowWithToolBar('WebLinkPage.asp?myses=399200&cuid=gdml&cusrvr=minerva&xdbkey=616','WebLink',667,530,200,200 )) NJ Trenton Evening Times (1891-1922) (javascript:OpenWindowWithToolBar('WebLinkPage.asp?myses=399200&cuid=gdml&cusrvr=minerva&xdbkey=617','WebLink',667 ,530,200,200 )) NJ Trenton Times (1883-1906) (javascript:OpenWindowWithToolBar('WebLinkPage.asp?myses=399200&cuid=gdml&cusrvr=minerva&xdbkey=615','WebLin k',667,530,200,200 )) NJ Trenton Times (1891, 1909) kathy

Andrew, Oak Knoll Park is in the City of Clayton although one side borders the Clayton road boundary. If the Oak Knoll you are looking for was outside of Clayton perhaps it was a different farm. Clayton Historical Society does not seem to be on line, but they might have some answers for you. The address is 112 Mark Twain Circle, Clayton, MO 63105. Phone is 314-746-0427. There is a wonderful early spring garden in the park near the circular path. It was probably a rock garden when this was still privately owned. Lots of "little" bulbs, such as snow crocus, squill, chinodoxa, etc, have multiplied, and the snow crocus have spread into the lawn. Later the lawn is full of pink patches of Spring Beauties, (Claytonia virginica). When the leaking pond was repaired, the sculpture that turned with the sun had to be moved, and is now in front of the high school. Too bad. Happy hunting, LaVerne MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 126 Today's Topics: #1 Oak Knoll ["Andrew Davis" #2 Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll ["ShowMeMule" #3 Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll [[email protected]] #4 Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll ["Andrew Davis" #5 Out of towners can get Heritage Qu [Diane ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D, click mailto: [email protected] Put only the word "Subscribe" in the subject line and in the body of the message. To contact the list administrator, send mail to: [email protected] Threaded List Archives can be found at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-STLOUIS-METRO Searchable List Archives can be found at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pllist=MO-STLOUIS-METRO The St. Louis Message Board can be found at: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.stlouis ______________________________Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:35:00 -0400 From: "Andrew Davis" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Oak Knoll One of my ancestor lived in a house right outside of Clayton in St. Louis County name "Oak Knoll." Has anyone ever heard of this place? I know there is a park named that so I wondered if the park was built where the house used to be. ______________________________Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:42:15 -0500 From: "ShowMeMule" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll Andrew, I am not an expert on Clayton, but I know of the house. My brother got married there a few years ago. It is an old mansion that was used for years as the Natural History Museum. I loved visiting there as a child on school field trips. I assume the family donated Oak Knoll to St. Louis County, or bought it but I am not sure. Who was the ancestor that lived there ? Scott Williams, http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Davis" To: Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll One of my ancestor lived in a house right outside of Clayton in St. Louis County name "Oak Knoll." Has anyone ever heard of this place? I know there is a park named that so I wondered if the park was built where the house used to be. ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look. ______________________________Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:49:23 EDT From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll History of the St. Louis Artists' Guild and Oak Knoll Park www.stlouisartistsguild.org/oak_knoll.html Andy and Scott, Lots of info here. Gloria ______________________________Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 00:04:19 -0400 From: "Andrew Davis" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll Thanks I had seen that site. None of the sites about Oak Knoll mention my relative Jon Barron, but I know he lived there. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll History of the St. Louis Artists' Guild and Oak Knoll Park www.stlouisartistsguild.org/oak_knoll.html Andy and Scott, Lots of info here. Gloria ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List [email protected] ______________________________Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 11:00:42 -0500 From: Diane <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Out of towners can get Heritage Quest The Godfrey Library in Middletown CT offers access to Heritage Quest through its web site. The web site is: http://www.godfrey.org/ You pay $35.00 for a library card and you get access to Heritage Quest as well as to other really helpful on line resources. In my opinion, Heritage Quest alone is worth $35.00 per year. During the week, you can call the library at (860) 346-4375 to register and start using their online resources right now if you pay using a credit card. I told a family member about this and he has recently signed up. He says it is really helpful - especially the automated on line books in Heritage Quest. A lot of folks overlook that feature but I have found cemetery transcriptions, city directories and in one case a book that was written about a judge that mentioned his wife - my relly! Apparently there is a lot of good stuff in the Godfrey Library's on line subscription. I am not trying to sell anything here. I have Heritage Quest. St. Louisans can get it through the Public Library and the St. Louis County library. Their subscriptions limit access to people who are qualified to hold library cards. The Godfrey Memorial Library has an "open" subscription so that anybody can get a library card and get access to Heritage Quest and their other on line resources. If anybody signs up (or already is signed up) through the Godfrey Library, would you please e-mail me and tell me what you think of it? I am sure the Heritage Quest will be there, but I have heard that there are other resources available that might be worth the investment of $35.00 by others as well. I am particularly interested to see if they have archives of on-line New York newspapers. We have the New York Times on our subscription to Heritage Quest through the St. Louis County library and I have used that a lot. I wonder if there are New Jersey papers or the New York Herald there. Thanks a lot Diane Shaw Soggy in Hillsboro, MO

The Godfrey Library in Middletown CT offers access to Heritage Quest through its web site. The web site is: http://www.godfrey.org/ You pay $35.00 for a library card and you get access to Heritage Quest as well as to other really helpful on line resources. In my opinion, Heritage Quest alone is worth $35.00 per year. During the week, you can call the library at (860) 346-4375 to register and start using their online resources right now if you pay using a credit card. I told a family member about this and he has recently signed up. He says it is really helpful - especially the automated on line books in Heritage Quest. A lot of folks overlook that feature but I have found cemetery transcriptions, city directories and in one case a book that was written about a judge that mentioned his wife - my relly! Apparently there is a lot of good stuff in the Godfrey Library's on line subscription. I am not trying to sell anything here. I have Heritage Quest. St. Louisans can get it through the Public Library and the St. Louis County library. Their subscriptions limit access to people who are qualified to hold library cards. The Godfrey Memorial Library has an "open" subscription so that anybody can get a library card and get access to Heritage Quest and their other on line resources. If anybody signs up (or already is signed up) through the Godfrey Library, would you please e-mail me and tell me what you think of it? I am sure the Heritage Quest will be there, but I have heard that there are other resources available that might be worth the investment of $35.00 by others as well. I am particularly interested to see if they have archives of on-line New York newspapers. We have the New York Times on our subscription to Heritage Quest through the St. Louis County library and I have used that a lot. I wonder if there are New Jersey papers or the New York Herald there. Thanks a lot Diane Shaw Soggy in Hillsboro, MO

Thanks I had seen that site. None of the sites about Oak Knoll mention my relative Jon Barron, but I know he lived there. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll History of the St. Louis Artists' Guild and Oak Knoll Park www.stlouisartistsguild.org/oak_knoll.html<http://www.stlouisartistsguildorg/oak_knoll.html> Andy and Scott, Lots of info here. Gloria ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> or if you are on the Digest List [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

History of the St. Louis Artists' Guild and Oak Knoll Park www.stlouisartistsguild.org/oak_knoll.html Andy and Scott, Lots of info here. Gloria

One of my ancestor lived in a house right outside of Clayton in St. Louis County name "Oak Knoll." Has anyone ever heard of this place? I know there is a park named that so I wondered if the park was built where the house used to be.

Andrew, I am not an expert on Clayton, but I know of the house. My brother got married there a few years ago. It is an old mansion that was used for years as the Natural History Museum. I loved visiting there as a child on school field trips. I assume the family donated Oak Knoll to St. Louis County, or bought it but I am not sure. Who was the ancestor that lived there ? Scott Williams, http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Davis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Oak Knoll One of my ancestor lived in a house right outside of Clayton in St. Louis County name "Oak Knoll." Has anyone ever heard of this place? I know there is a park named that so I wondered if the park was built where the house used to be. ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

Has anyone ever heard of a Harriet Barron Lane that lived on Westmoreland Drive from about 1910-1980. She was a teacher in the elementary public schools.

Genealogical Tours of the Missouri Historical Society Library and Research Center May 17 and May 24, 2005, at 10:30 AM Dennis Northcott, Associate Archivist for Reference, will be leading two tours of the Missouri Historical Society Library and Research Center, focusing on the genealogical holdings in the library and archives. These tours will be held on May 17 and May 24 at 10:30 AM at the Library and Research Center located at 225 South Skinker Blvd., across from Forest Park. The Missouri Historical Society Library and Research Center is one of the premiere repositories for genealogical research in the St. Louis area. The collections of the Missouri Historical Society library and archives focus on the history of St. Louis, the state of Missouri, and the nineteenth-century American West. For genealogists with St. Louis ancestors in particular, a visit to the Library and Research Center is a must. These tours will last approximately 1 hour. At the conclusion of the tour, researchers will be free to do their own research, and Dennis will be available to answer specific questions. Reservations for these tours are required; space on each tour is limited to 20 people. To reserve a space on one of the tours, please contact Dennis Northcott at [email protected] or 314-746-4517. Those who are visiting the Library and Research Center for the first time will be asked to fill out a registration card, present a valid photo ID (i.e., drivers license), and read a brief list of policies and procedures. Please note that purses, bags, and briefcases are not allowed in the Library and Research Center reading room; free lockers are available in the lobby to store these items. Researchers are welcome to bring their notes and research binders into the reading room. Each table in the reading room is equipped with an electrical outlet for laptop computer use. To prepare for your visit, researchers may want to consult the librarys online catalog: Go to www.mohistory.org, click on Library and Research, then click on Search the Catalog. Researchers may also view guides to the archival collections online: Go to www.mohistory.org, click on Library and Research, then click on Collection Guide. There is a small parking lot on the south side of the Library and Research Center. Additional free parking is available on Skinker and on a side street next to the parking lot.

Just received these obits (abbreviations are mostly mine for transcription sake): ST. Louis Post, Friday September 10, 1924 1. GOEBEL-on Tuesday Sept. 9, 1924, Gladys GOEBEL, beloved daughter of Catherine GOEBEL (nee BUNYAN), and the late Charles J. GOEBEL, dear sister of Russell and dear grandchild of Amelia GOEBEL (nee MUELLER), and our dear cousin and niece, age 18 years. Funeral from family res., 4281A Farlin Ave. to Holy Rosary Church, thence to Valhala Cemetery. 2. HOGAN-on Tues. Sept. 9, Margaret HOGAN, dear sister of Josie HOGAN and Mrs. Mary DWYER and our dear aunt. Funeral from res. 1412 North 22d St., to St. Bridget's Church. Internment Calvary Cemetery. 3. JOHNSON-on Mon. Sept. 8, 1924, John JOHNSON, beloved husband of Mathilda JOHNSON (nee COURTE), dear father of Frank JOHNSON and our father-in-law and grandfather. Funeral from Wacker-Helderle chapel, 3634 Gravois Ave., to New St. Marcus Cem. Deceased was a member of Transit Camp No. 11,364, Modern Woodmen of America. 4. LAESSIG-suddenly at LosAngeles, CA Sept. 4, 1924, Mayme P. LAESSIG, beloved wife of Clemens H. LAESSIG, mother of Alfred G. and Marion L., dear daughter of Mrs. Marguerite COWHEY, sister of Agnes, Thomas, John, and Walter COWHEY and Mrs. H.A. ENGEL. Funeral Thursday from res. 6803 Waterman Ave., to Our Lady of Lourdes, to Calvary Cem. 5. LEONARD-on Mon. Sept. 8, 1924, Harriet W. LEONARD, widow of F. A. LEONARD and mother of Frederick W., Lucy D., and Harry W., and Mrs. John E. MAY. Services at Wagoner chapel, 3621 Olive st., Thursday, Sept. 11, to Valhala Cem. 6. MEROD-Tues. Sept. 9, 1924, Caroline MEROD (nee WEHRUNG), beloved mother of Mrs. Henry THEOBALD, Mrs. Henry BOEMER, and Mrs. L. C. DIESEL, and our dear grandmother and great-grandmother and mother-in-law, in her 82nd year. Services Thursday Sept. 11 at res. of her daughter, Mrs Henry BOEMER, 2910 Henrietta st. Remains to be taken to Millstadt, IL to Zions Evangelical Church, where they will lie in state, thence to Millstadt Cem. Belleville, IL and Millstadt papers please copy. Dan Hogan

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To All on Lists: Joyce Loving of SLCL has replied with respect to taping: They will not be taping the lecture. Individuals who are present may tape the lecture for their own personal use. She does not have any information as yet on access to copies of the speech or the possibility of handouts but will contact me when she learns anything on this subject. Joan Schaller Yeckel St. Louis, MO

I spoke to Joyce Loving at SLCL and she will contact me when it has been determined if and how copies of the lecture could be provided to those who are interested but cannot attend. As soon as I have any information I will post to the list or perhaps the SLCL will post it. Joan Schaller Yeckel St. Louis, Missouri

In a message dated 5/7/2005 11:15:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: advice would be the best but here it is anyways. I would go during the day because that is always safer than the night. I would also bring copies of any older pictures you have of the house. Then knock on the doors and let the people living there now know who you are and give them the copies for their own enjoyment and to show that you aren't a lunatic. Then ask them if they mind if you take a photo of their house. That is what I always do. I have had some even invite me inside to take photos of the rooms. I usually decline that though for safety reasons. Most people are always interested in seeing old pictures and hearing stories of their houses. In fact I am in contact with several people who I would steer clear of ALL of those addresses. The city has changed entirely since the 50's. It might be nice to drive by the address in the morning hours to see if they are still there, but many probably are not.

Gene, In the new Czech community about half were followers of the native Free Thought Movement, which was ardently nationalistic and anti-clerical. The C.S.P.S. which along with the Sokol, founded in 1865, saw to their needs. Other lodges included the Grand Lodge and the Missouri Lodge, No.2. Many of the benevolent societies ended by the 1930's with the coming of Social Security. To the best of my knowledge that's true of this one also. Keith Zimmer, Adult Services Provider, ST. LOUIS PUBLIC LIBRARY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 8:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] - C.S.P.S. Gloria - Thanks for the fast return. Great information I will include this in my information on the family. Thanks again. Do you know if the lodge has a e-mail address? Later Gene Vanacek - San Antonio, TX. On Mon, 9 May 2005 05:02:34 EDT [email protected] writes: > The âEURoeC.S.P.S.âEUR Cesko-Slovanské Podporující Spolecností > ( Bohemian Slavonic Benevolent Society ) > The âEURoeC.S.P.S.âEUR or Cesko-Slovanské Podporující Spolecností > was founded in St. > Louis, Missouri on March 4th, 1854. The founders of this society > were the > early Czech immigrants, whoâEUR(tm)s brethren had fled the revolts and > political > oppression of the 1840s and 1850s. This group was comprised mostly > of farmers > and laborers with limited skills and poorly educated since School > attendance > was not yet mandatory in the Slavic Kingdoms. These > founding > fathers of the C.S.P.S. were intent on forming a Organization to > provide assistance > to their countrymen in times of illness, and care for the widows and > orphans. > This organization would also develop into an important avenue for > the local > Czech community to meet socially and discuss problems of mutual > concern. > ==== > I did a search on Slovan Lodge No. 1 C.S.P.S. and got the above. > http://my.execpc.com/~hkralik/ > Gloria > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, > send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > [email protected] or if you are on the Digest > List [email protected] > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List [email protected]