Roaches exist forever. And the flat roofs are nightmares to maintain. They are very prone to leaking, hence the tendency to make them something else.

Jim Good to hear from you Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] What I Found In STL Last Week >I wasn't going to say a word but I stumbled across a St Louis site today >called "Ecology Of Absence," that had this message: > > Re-roofing the projects > > The St. Louis Housing Authority is remodeling the low-rise Clinton-Peabody > housing project south of downtown. Part of this redesign includes the > ludicrous addition of hipped roofs to the formerly flat-roofed buildings > of the project. Some of the new roofs are in place, and the result is not > pleasant. The buildings, once very modest and modern, now sport > distracting hats. The point of the project eludes me. What do new roofs > have to do with the lives of residents? If anything, they degrade the > Clinton-Peabody project further through pure bad taste. > > My other question is concerning the hipped roofs: Are they supposed to > emulate those on the City Hospital? I can't see any other connection with > the surrounding Near South Side, on which the hipped roof is not unusually > prevalent. > -------------------------------------- > I too had occasion to travel to St Louis last week on a genealogy > expedition in search of truth and enlightenment that was not totally > successful but some what revealing. > > For instance, I found another family residence had disappeared sometime in > the last two years that had been located near Grand and Chouteau. This > disappearance now leaves me with one final building where my family lived > in St Louis from 1870 until today, July 19, 2005. The address of that > building that is still standing is 1445 La Salle Lane. > > That final address is located smack dab in the middle of the Clinton > Peabody Projects, and when it goes my whole St Louis family history goes. > (One Hundred thirty five years of it.) > > The above message about the renovation is just not so. I was there last > week and what I discovered was an apartment complex that was as modern > looking as some of the higher class condominiums near where I live in the > southwest, in fact their appearance would rival the appearance of the > condominiums. > > Not many people remember that the Clinton Peabody Projects were built back > in the very early 1940s for servicemen's families who were waiting for the > return of their husbands and fathers who were away fighting in World War > one. My father was away when my mother finally lucked out in 1945 and was > able to move us into Clinton Peabody. > > Today there is no feeling of poverty in the area as there was in the 1940s > and 1950s, somehow there is a feeling of spaciousness that I can not begin > to explain. Truman Street still feels like Grattan Street, Chouteau still > feels like Chouteau, Park doesn't feel like Park, Fourteenth doesn't feel > like Fourteenth and City Hospital feels like Beirut, Lebanon. I even > started wondering where all the ghosts moved to from the hospital. I even > drove by Soulard Market and got caught in all the construction going on > down there. > > My final thought as I drove away from the area was about a sinister > presence that not everyone is aware of: > I asked myself, What happened to all the roaches that we constantly > sprayed for the whole time we lived in the projects from 1945 until 1960? > Did they get that final crawler or is his descendants still running around > there happily running to and fro annoying the present occupants? > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.1/51 - Release Date: 7/18/2005 > >

Jim, : hipped roofs replacing the flat is no doubt because flats retain water vs.leaking As to the roaches...they survived somewhere,as unlike their dinos. Lol. I relate to old homes no longer extant..I looked a few yrs.ago when I 1st visited & 1/2 at least where missing. The one at 3960 Chauteau was still there as a furniture shop. 4520 Manchester was being demolished, 3677 Olive boarded up,Hickory res.if I rememer was the beer plant. Vandeventer missing, 1200-1400 Nth 9th ect. :>)Nan ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] What I Found In STL Last Week > I wasn't going to say a word but I stumbled across a St Louis site today > called "Ecology Of Absence," that had this message: > > Re-roofing the projects > > The St. Louis Housing Authority is remodeling the low-rise Clinton-Peabody > housing project south of downtown. Part of this redesign includes the > ludicrous addition of hipped roofs to the formerly flat-roofed buildings > of the project. Some of the new roofs are in place, and the result is not > pleasant. The buildings, once very modest and modern, now sport > distracting hats. The point of the project eludes me. What do new roofs > have to do with the lives of residents? If anything, they degrade the > Clinton-Peabody project further through pure bad taste. > > My other question is concerning the hipped roofs: Are they supposed to > emulate those on the City Hospital? I can't see any other connection with > the surrounding Near South Side, on which the hipped roof is not unusually > prevalent. > -------------------------------------- > I too had occasion to travel to St Louis last week on a genealogy > expedition in search of truth and enlightenment that was not totally > successful but some what revealing. > > For instance, I found another family residence had disappeared sometime in > the last two years that had been located near Grand and Chouteau. This > disappearance now leaves me with one final building where my family lived > in St Louis from 1870 until today, July 19, 2005. The address of that > building that is still standing is 1445 La Salle Lane. > > That final address is located smack dab in the middle of the Clinton > Peabody Projects, and when it goes my whole St Louis family history goes. > (One Hundred thirty five years of it.) > > The above message about the renovation is just not so. I was there last > week and what I discovered was an apartment complex that was as modern > looking as some of the higher class condominiums near where I live in the > southwest, in fact their appearance would rival the appearance of the > condominiums. > > Not many people remember that the Clinton Peabody Projects were built back > in the very early 1940s for servicemen's families who were waiting for the > return of their husbands and fathers who were away fighting in World War > one. My father was away when my mother finally lucked out in 1945 and was > able to move us into Clinton Peabody. > > Today there is no feeling of poverty in the area as there was in the 1940s > and 1950s, somehow there is a feeling of spaciousness that I can not begin > to explain. Truman Street still feels like Grattan Street, Chouteau still > feels like Chouteau, Park doesn't feel like Park, Fourteenth doesn't feel > like Fourteenth and City Hospital feels like Beirut, Lebanon. I even > started wondering where all the ghosts moved to from the hospital. I even > drove by Soulard Market and got caught in all the construction going on > down there. > > My final thought as I drove away from the area was about a sinister > presence that not everyone is aware of: > I asked myself, What happened to all the roaches that we constantly > sprayed for the whole time we lived in the projects from 1945 until 1960? > Did they get that final crawler or is his descendants still running around > there happily running to and fro annoying the present occupants? > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > >

From living in a condo (on the top floor) with a flat-topped roof, I can tell you there are terrible maintenance problems keeping the roofs draining water, instead of letting it pool. We finally replaced the roofs on the flat-roofed buildings with pitched roofs. Before the very expensive replacement, I can remember seeing rainwater pour out of a ceiling fan and being VERY glad it was not turned on at the time! Ruth Ann K transplanted St. Louisan on the Eastern Shore of Virginia -----Original Message----- From: JAMES O BRASHER <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:37:41 -0600 Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] What I Found In STL Last Week I wasn't going to say a word but I stumbled across a St Louis site today called "Ecology Of Absence," that had this message: Re-roofing the projects The St. Louis Housing Authority is remodeling the low-rise Clinton-Peabody housing project south of downtown. Part of this redesign includes the ludicrous addition of hipped roofs to the formerly flat-roofed buildings of the project. Some of the new roofs are in place, and the result is not pleasant. The buildings, once very modest and modern, now sport distracting hats. The point of the project eludes me. What do new roofs have to do with the lives of residents? If anything, they degrade the Clinton-Peabody project further through pure bad taste. My other question is concerning the hipped roofs: Are they supposed to emulate those on the City Hospital? I can't see any other connection with the surrounding Near South Side, on which the hipped roof is not unusually prevalent. -------------------------------------- I too had occasion to travel to St Louis last week on a genealogy expedition in search of truth and enlightenment that was not totally successful but some what revealing. For instance, I found another family residence had disappeared sometime in the last two years that had been located near Grand and Chouteau. This disappearance now leaves me with one final building where my family lived in St Louis from 1870 until today, July 19, 2005. The address of that building that is still standing is 1445 La Salle Lane. That final address is located smack dab in the middle of the Clinton Peabody Projects, and when it goes my whole St Louis family history goes. (One Hundred thirty five years of it.) The above message about the renovation is just not so. I was there last week and what I discovered was an apartment complex that was as modern looking as some of the higher class condominiums near where I live in the southwest, in fact their appearance would rival the appearance of the condominiums. Not many people remember that the Clinton Peabody Projects were built back in the very early 1940s for servicemen's families who were waiting for the return of their husbands and fathers who were away fighting in World War one. My father was away when my mother finally lucked out in 1945 and was able to move us into Clinton Peabody. Today there is no feeling of poverty in the area as there was in the 1940s and 1950s, somehow there is a feeling of spaciousness that I can not begin to explain. Truman Street still feels like Grattan Street, Chouteau still feels like Chouteau, Park doesn't feel like Park, Fourteenth doesn't feel like Fourteenth and City Hospital feels like Beirut, Lebanon. I even started wondering where all the ghosts moved to from the hospital. I even drove by Soulard Market and got caught in all the construction going on down there. My final thought as I drove away from the area was about a sinister presence that not everyone is aware of: I asked myself, What happened to all the roaches that we constantly sprayed for the whole time we lived in the projects from 1945 until 1960? Did they get that final crawler or is his descendants still running around there happily running to and fro annoying the present occupants? ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]

I wasn't going to say a word but I stumbled across a St Louis site today called "Ecology Of Absence," that had this message: Re-roofing the projects The St. Louis Housing Authority is remodeling the low-rise Clinton-Peabody housing project south of downtown. Part of this redesign includes the ludicrous addition of hipped roofs to the formerly flat-roofed buildings of the project. Some of the new roofs are in place, and the result is not pleasant. The buildings, once very modest and modern, now sport distracting hats. The point of the project eludes me. What do new roofs have to do with the lives of residents? If anything, they degrade the Clinton-Peabody project further through pure bad taste. My other question is concerning the hipped roofs: Are they supposed to emulate those on the City Hospital? I can't see any other connection with the surrounding Near South Side, on which the hipped roof is not unusually prevalent. -------------------------------------- I too had occasion to travel to St Louis last week on a genealogy expedition in search of truth and enlightenment that was not totally successful but some what revealing. For instance, I found another family residence had disappeared sometime in the last two years that had been located near Grand and Chouteau. This disappearance now leaves me with one final building where my family lived in St Louis from 1870 until today, July 19, 2005. The address of that building that is still standing is 1445 La Salle Lane. That final address is located smack dab in the middle of the Clinton Peabody Projects, and when it goes my whole St Louis family history goes. (One Hundred thirty five years of it.) The above message about the renovation is just not so. I was there last week and what I discovered was an apartment complex that was as modern looking as some of the higher class condominiums near where I live in the southwest, in fact their appearance would rival the appearance of the condominiums. Not many people remember that the Clinton Peabody Projects were built back in the very early 1940s for servicemen's families who were waiting for the return of their husbands and fathers who were away fighting in World War one. My father was away when my mother finally lucked out in 1945 and was able to move us into Clinton Peabody. Today there is no feeling of poverty in the area as there was in the 1940s and 1950s, somehow there is a feeling of spaciousness that I can not begin to explain. Truman Street still feels like Grattan Street, Chouteau still feels like Chouteau, Park doesn't feel like Park, Fourteenth doesn't feel like Fourteenth and City Hospital feels like Beirut, Lebanon. I even started wondering where all the ghosts moved to from the hospital. I even drove by Soulard Market and got caught in all the construction going on down there. My final thought as I drove away from the area was about a sinister presence that not everyone is aware of: I asked myself, What happened to all the roaches that we constantly sprayed for the whole time we lived in the projects from 1945 until 1960? Did they get that final crawler or is his descendants still running around there happily running to and fro annoying the present occupants?

Bill, Dennis Hermann wrote the copy for that message. Because Dennis is himself very knowledgeable about the Civil War, I optimistically choose to assume that he is referring to the fact that I am a uniquely talented and gifted speaker on Civil War subjects. He has seen my presentations before the Sons of Union Veterans, St. Clair County Genealogical Society, and Belleville Public Library, so he's in a position to know. Tom

Tom: "...another of his unique presentations." Any chance you could explain all this to the dumb newbee (that's me)? Our usual lunch or e-mail or a coffee break, take your pick. Thanx, ===>+bill " Pearson, Tom A." <[email protected]> wrote: Colonel Friedrich Hecker Camp #443 Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War Proudly Presents: "Killed by the Cure: Civil War Medicine" By Tom Pearson Civil War Researcher, Historian, & Lecturer The presentation is FREE and the PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ATTEND Wednesday Evening at 7:30 P.M. August 3, 2005 Meeting Room at Southwestern Illinois College's Programs and Services for Older Persons Corner of North Church and East B Street, Belleville, Illinois "Killed by the Cure" was the reality of Civil War medical practices in far too many cases. Tom Pearson of the St. Louis Public Library joins us again with another of his unique presentations. Many more Civil War soldiers were killed by disease than by Minie balls or shrapnel. Tom will explore the Civil War's Top Ten Killers, reveal the most common (and most deadly) battlefield injuries, explode misconceptions and explain Civil War medicine's deadly results. Medical artifacts from the war will be on display. Please join us for the evening and bring a friend! For Program and Membership Information call Dennis A. Hermann 618-235-5720 ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] or if you are on the Digest List [email protected]

Hi, I just updated the Forgotten Towns of St. Louis page. I have one request. Does anyone know where Kenwood Springs was located in St. Louis County ? I have a circa 1910 postcard of a home located there. It is on the webpage if anyone is curious. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/towns.htm I have also added some illustrations for the Underground Mines of St. Louis page. If you have some old bricks laying around with inscriptions naming St. Louis brickproducers and you would like to share, let me know. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/underground_stl.htm I hope everyone is enjoying the summer. Best wishes. --Scott Williams

Hi Jim.................did you mean to send this to me or was it meant for someone else? Whatever, I received it..............................Mary

I'm not sure. I just got home yesterday from St Louis and my head and eyes are still turning. But don't worry, I should return to normal by August 29th.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] looking for Vie Hi Jim.................did you mean to send this to me or was it meant for someone else? Whatever, I received it..............................Mary ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

Excellent idea.----Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Betty Torno<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] looking for Vie There's a VIE death notice in today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Betty Torno ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] looking for Vie > If you go to www.rootsweb.com<http://www.rootsweb.com/> and click on roots L mailing list you will see > Missouri listed. Then scroll down to Kansas City for their mailing list. > Scroll down further for MOJACKSO for Jackson County where Kansas City is located. > When you click on Missouri there are Military lists so their may be one for > the unit Vie served with during World War ! Another possibility may be to > contact the Jackson County genealogy society to ask them to post a message to > their members. Kansas City, Missouri spreads out into Kansas and there is a > large area of suburbs in Johnson County, Kansas. Johnson County Kansas has a > genealogical society as well that meets in the Johnson county main library > every month. You could also e-mail that organization to ask them to post a > message for their members. The lady you are seeking may live across the state line. > She doesn't know you are looking for her so you may also want to post a note > to the message boards for the name Vie if there is one. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/<http://genealogyinstlouisaccessgenealogy.com/>) you might want to take a look.

Colonel Friedrich Hecker Camp #443 Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War Proudly Presents: "Killed by the Cure: Civil War Medicine" By Tom Pearson Civil War Researcher, Historian, & Lecturer The presentation is FREE and the PUBLIC IS INVITED TO ATTEND Wednesday Evening at 7:30 P.M. August 3, 2005 Meeting Room at Southwestern Illinois College's Programs and Services for Older Persons Corner of North Church and East B Street, Belleville, Illinois "Killed by the Cure" was the reality of Civil War medical practices in far too many cases. Tom Pearson of the St. Louis Public Library joins us again with another of his unique presentations. Many more Civil War soldiers were killed by disease than by Minie balls or shrapnel. Tom will explore the Civil War's Top Ten Killers, reveal the most common (and most deadly) battlefield injuries, explode misconceptions and explain Civil War medicine's deadly results. Medical artifacts from the war will be on display. Please join us for the evening and bring a friend! For Program and Membership Information call Dennis A. Hermann 618-235-5720

Sharon, I thoroughly enjoyed your visit back in time! I do know the thrill of touching the wood my ancestors touched (but in St. Louis, almost all obliterated). One of my older brothers (lots, lots, older, this started before I was born) told me about our dad putting him and son #2 in the old '27 Pontiac and trundling down to a market along the river somewhere, I think I recall the name Lafayette, on Sunday mornings and loading up with fruits and vegetables and special things like dill. Mom would then go into full gear and preserve dozens and dozens of jars of wonderful stuff we ate through the winter, string beans and tomatoes, bread and butter pickles and sempf ghurken, peaches and Concord grapes, applesauce and even better, apple butter, which spit all over the place. The food was much cheaper there than anywhere else (we lived out where the "savages" were, in Kirkwood). It is indeed a joy to see your family place preserved, and thank you for helping to keep it going the way it was. I would be most pleased to have a copy of that photograph, and pay for the copying and postage, if possible. Please write me off line. T. Maureen Schoenky now in Santa Susana CA

Hello everyone, I was in the St. Louis area last week to visit my mother. My daughter and I decided to take a tour of the downtown area. We happened upon the Soulard neighborhood. I remembered that my grandpa and gr grandpa had a fruit and produce market on the corner of Lafayette and S. 9th Streets (address was 1700 S. 9th Street). When we pulled up to the building, I could not believe that it was still there, and the present owner was taking such good care of it. I have a photo of the building from 1925 when my grandpa, Joe Busalaki, and gr grandpa, Carmelo Pitti, owned it. Such a wonderful thing to see this still standing, and being cared for in such a wonderful way. I met the present owner. She runs a wine and home entertaining specialties store, named THE PORCH. The owner showed me around the place, and even took me to the second floor where my grandpa's family members lived way back in the 19teens and 1920s. The owner is working with an architect to renovate the place, and look into the history of the building. I was able to touch the very door frames that my relatives walked through. Such a cool feeling. I have since e-mailed a photo of the building from 1925 to the owner. And, I have sent a donation to the Soulard Renaissance Committee, hoping that I can come up with stories and photos from family members to donate to the committee. I urge members of this list to take the time to stroll through the streets of the Soulard area if you have the chance. I hope to participate in it's fundraising events. They even have tours. Such a wonderful feeling to know that the area is being taken care of so well. Makes me want to move back to St. Louis from Chicago. Sharon Bognar Reif

I was recently in Salt Lake City and made copies of some partial pages from the St. Joseph's Catholic Church records in St. Louis. The following marriages were on the pages. If anyone wants more information about any of these marriages, please contact me at [email protected] . August Lambert Knoll (son of Michael Knoll and Josephine Dalmeyer) and Pauline Burkhart (daughter of Raphael Burkhart and Helene Heberer) married on 12 Jan 1886. Joannes Schneider (son of Philipp Schneider and Catharina Boeringer) and Julia Mohrmann (daughter of Petri H. Mohrmann and Catharina Stolle) married on 20 Jan 1886. Gerhard Lubke (son of Henri Lubke and Bernardine Teklenburg) and Anna Schulte (daughter of Gerhard Schulte and Cath Boehronam[?]) married on 3 Feb 1886. Joseph Friedric Becker (son of Joseph Friedr. Becker and Maria Cunigund Heguer) and Francis[?] Brockhoff (daughter of Bernard Brockhoff and Anna Goldbeck) married on 12 Nov 1890. Henri Sandbothe (son of Jodoce[?] Sandbothe and Maria Eufemia Helming) and Francis Ronge (daughter of Ludovice Ronge and Elise Bartolome) married on 12 Nov 1890. Edward Heberer (son of Michael Heberer and Anna Linze) and Josephine M. Hannibal (daughter of Joseph Hannibal and Gertrude Kampeter) married on 18 Nov 1890. Bernard Herbig (son of Gustave Herbig and Helena Birker) and Bertha Hermemann (daughter of Theodor Hememann and Emma Diekmann) married on 8 Oct 1890. Dr. Julius Menestrina (son of Fr. Menestrina and Philippina Grandiuna) and Amelia Bormiolli (daughter of Joann Bormiolli and Carlotta Luhn) married on 15 Oct 1890. Nicolas Kreutzmann (son of Joann Kreutzmann and Cath. Stindt) and Dina Doemker (daughter of Herman Wilbrink Doemker and Elisabeth Doemker) married on 21 Oct 1890. Alexander Henry Krite (son of Henri Rudolph Krite and Julia Henrietta ---bacher) and Louisa Burkhardt (daughter of Raphael Burkhardt and Helena Heberer) married on 29 Nov 1890. Marilyn Lane Researching Heberer, Burkhart/Burkhardt and Moellinger in St. Louis

There's a VIE death notice in today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Betty Torno ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] looking for Vie > If you go to www.rootsweb.com and click on roots L mailing list you will see > Missouri listed. Then scroll down to Kansas City for their mailing list. > Scroll down further for MOJACKSO for Jackson County where Kansas City is located. > When you click on Missouri there are Military lists so their may be one for > the unit Vie served with during World War ! Another possibility may be to > contact the Jackson County genealogy society to ask them to post a message to > their members. Kansas City, Missouri spreads out into Kansas and there is a > large area of suburbs in Johnson County, Kansas. Johnson County Kansas has a > genealogical society as well that meets in the Johnson county main library > every month. You could also e-mail that organization to ask them to post a > message for their members. The lady you are seeking may live across the state line. > She doesn't know you are looking for her so you may also want to post a note > to the message boards for the name Vie if there is one. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc.(in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]

The following is an article that was written by Christy Hughes, Librarian in the Special Collections Unit of the St. Louis County Library located on S. Lindbergh. She has kindly given me permission to post it here. It was originally published in the St. Louis Genealogical Society monthly Newsletter for the month of July 2005. Here is her article: _______________________________ New Microfilm at Special Collections! St. Louis County Court Records: 1824-1928 A vast amount of local information can be found in these administrative court records that for the first fifty years included both St. Louis City and County. After 1877, the records are only for St. Louis County. The St. Louis licensing, for example, licensing ferries, also granted licenses to "free Negroes" to allow them to live in the state. These records include the individual's age, height, ersonal appearance and occupation - a relative gold mine! They alos list those "free Negroes" not granted licenses. Other records include information about bridges, road alignment, school establishment and commitments and hospital payments for the indigent, including names. From 1824 to 1877 and 1918 to 1928 the records are indexed and in a typed format, apparently a transcription done by the WPA. From 1878 to 1917 the record books are in the original handwriting and do not include an index. Example: "The court grant a license to John S. DOUGHERTY to keep a ferry across the Meramec river at his stand called Dougherty's ferry: on which license the court assess a tax of two dollars for state purposes. Thursday 4th August 1831." Book No. 1, Page 235. This film set is comprised of twenty-five rolls and is located in Drawer 97, just under "St. Louis Cemeteries" in the Special Collections Dept. of County Library Headquarters. (By) Christy Hughes, Librarian ________________________________________________ I talked to Christy over the phone today to get permission to post her article and she said that there are lots of interesting records on these 25 rolls of film. I have to admit that it sure piqued my curiosity! If anyone researches using these films, please post to the list to tell us what you found! Diane Shaw

Listers: Just in case I'm the only one who didn't know this, I just found out a very useful tip from my librarian. It allows one to find material within large files. Hit (Cntr + F) and simply enter the word or name you are looking for - this will page down for you and find your request. I could have saved hundreds of hours! Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ

Is anyone searching Walter R. TROWELL? He is shown in the 1920 MO St. Louis Census with Catherine, age 56, his wife and Howard FISHER, step-son. Catherine (Katie SPEARS) was married to H. D. FISHER in 1880's, to Andrew MEYER in 1900 (divorced 1908). Seeking marriage date to Mr. TROWELL. Thanks, Sophie Fisher

If you go to www.rootsweb.com and click on roots L mailing list you will see Missouri listed. Then scroll down to Kansas City for their mailing list. Scroll down further for MOJACKSO for Jackson County where Kansas City is located. When you click on Missouri there are Military lists so their may be one for the unit Vie served with during World War ! Another possibility may be to contact the Jackson County genealogy society to ask them to post a message to their members. Kansas City, Missouri spreads out into Kansas and there is a large area of suburbs in Johnson County, Kansas. Johnson County Kansas has a genealogical society as well that meets in the Johnson county main library every month. You could also e-mail that organization to ask them to post a message for their members. The lady you are seeking may live across the state line. She doesn't know you are looking for her so you may also want to post a note to the message boards for the name Vie if there is one.