I forgot to put the phone number for the Police Dept. in my message: It is (314) 444-5555 Diane Shaw

While talking to the City Hall Archivist today, I learned that criminal records are available. She said that if you go to the Police Department at 12th and Clark and go to the First Floor, you can fill out a form and pay $9.00 and get a search of the criminal records done. You will not get access to the records - you will get the service of a person who will search the records for you. I am very interested in this, so if anyone has any luck doing this, please, please, please, e-mail me or the list and tell us! I know that there are several folks on the lists who have gangsters and other criminally colorful characters in their families who would love to be able to get a copy of their record. I also learned that the Police Academy has some records of St. Louis Police officers. I would recommend a phone call to the academy before going there. I know there are two people on this list who are trying to get info on St. Louis police officers. Maybe this is the answer. If you have any luck, let the list know! These days, I am recovering from surgery to my left foot and am not very mobile. Surgery to the right foot is right around the corner. I will not be able to make the one hour drive to the city from Hillsboro to get a search done-at least not in the near future. I especially would not like to get there, park and hobble into the building in cold weather only to discover that the records are not available. If anyone has success with this, please let me know. I will talk my long suffering husband into taking time off work and helping me get into the building to get the criminal records! Diane Shaw

OK - here is the scoop on the St. Louis City Hospital registers, Female Hospital registers, Midwives and Physicians, etc., collection listed below as available from the Mormon Church. http://tinyurl.com/bwfbx I talked to an archivist at City Hall and she told me that the records are there, but are not available for genealogical research because of the Mo. HIPPA law. I questioned whether the HIPPA law would apply to records that are over a hundred years old and she said that she didn't know, but that the city is not going to allow access to the registers unless the person researching meets HIPPA requirements. I checked with a knowledgeable person at a St. Louis hospital and she told me that the HIPPA law does not apply to records that are over 70 years old and apply only to the actual medical record, not an index to them. Regardless, the city of St. Louis is not going to allow access to these records. So, folks, the only way to get to these records is from the church of Latter Day Saints. I hope that the libraries take a look at this set of records and consider getting them for us. To me, they would be extremely valuable to people looking for anyone, but especially for women (because of the Female hospital registers). It is ironic that without the Mormon church, nobody would have these records. So for those of you who are trying to find a person who died between the years 1846 to 1900 and during the year 1927 or for and for those who just want to document that a person was in St. Louis during those years as well as those who are looking for females (the Female Hospital and the Midwives list), this collection could be very valuable. If you have a "brick wall" in this time period, you might be able to find a relly's name on the index. You won't be able to get the actual medical record, but I would think that knowing that the person was hospitalized and knowing their age, you might be able to narrow down an assumed death date for a person this way. This collection is large and would be too expensive to rent as a set. I believe there are 16 films alone in the City Hospital collection. I would encourage anyone who rents one of these films to offer to do lookups for others on the Rootsweb list. This is a good example of the huge service done for us by the Mormon Church. Diane Shaw _____________________________________________________________ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Early City Hospital Registers & Health records Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:38:40 -0600 From: Diane <[email protected]> To: ST. Louis Rootsweb <[email protected]>, [email protected] Below is a link to the LDS listing for Health Records in St. Louis City: http://tinyurl.com/bwfbx It lists: City Hospital Registers: 1846-1900 and 1927 Female Hospital Registers: 1876-1905 Register of Midwives and Physicians: 1869-1906 among 5 items available in this health category. One of the other items is a book, which of course, you can't order unless you order it through a Family History Library and the other is a film of Health Facility Reports. I would think that these three films would be of great interest to people in the St. Louis area as well as outside of St. Louis. I e-mailed the County Library to determine if these films are in their collection and they are not. I called the Public library and found that they are not in the collection of their library either. However, Kathy Smith, our list buddy, told me that she thinks the registers are available at City Hall and recommended that I call and ask about it. I called the Archives at City Hall (314-622-4610) and was advised that they are not sure if they have the records. They are going to return my call. These films would especially be of interest to anyone who had a physician in their family, and/or anyone searching for a female during those years. So, for everyone with interests in St. Louis health records - in or out of St. Louis- these films are available through the LDS library and are probably worth checking out. I will post any information I get about the availability of these records through St. Louis City Hall when they return my call. Diane Shaw Hi Diane, I am sorry but we do not have permission from the owning archive to purchase these films. Joyce At 01:36 PM 11/25/2005 -0600, you wrote: I have found a set of 16 films that are in the Mormon Church (LDS) library that are City Hospital registers for the years 1846 through 1900. The Female Hospital registers are there too. I have never seen this collection in the County or City Libraries. Are they available in St. Louis? Diane Shaw Hillsboro, MO

I was researching my Grandfather's employment with the SLPD. The Librarian at the Police Department dug up records for me from the 30's and 40's. The address on my envelope she sent was: St Louis Police LIbrary 315 S Tucker Blvd. St Louis MO 63102 Her name is Barbara Miksicek (Librarian) Hope this helps....Bj (Conners) Bagwell Diane <[email protected]> wrote: While talking to the City Hall Archivist today, I learned that criminal records are available. She said that if you go to the Police Department at 12th and Clark and go to the First Floor, you can fill out a form and pay $9.00 and get a search of the criminal records done. You will not get access to the records - you will get the service of a person who will search the records for you. I am very interested in this, so if anyone has any luck doing this, please, please, please, e-mail me or the list and tell us! I know that there are several folks on the lists who have gangsters and other criminally colorful characters in their families who would love to be able to get a copy of their record. I also learned that the Police Academy has some records of St. Louis Police officers. I would recommend a phone call to the academy before going there. I know there are two people on this list who are trying to get info on St. Louis police officers. Maybe this is the answer. If you have any luck, let the list know! These days, I am recovering from surgery to my left foot and am not very mobile. Surgery to the right foot is right around the corner. I will not be able to make the one hour drive to the city from Hillsboro to get a search done-at least not in the near future. I especially would not like to get there, park and hobble into the building in cold weather only to discover that the records are not available. If anyone has success with this, please let me know. I will talk my long suffering husband into taking time off work and helping me get into the building to get the criminal records! Diane Shaw ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] May your troubles be less, your blessings more and nothing but happiness come through your door!

Below is a link to the LDS listing for Health Records in St. Louis City: http://tinyurl.com/bwfbx It lists: City Hospital Registers: 1846-1900 and 1927 Female Hospital Registers: 1876-1905 Register of Midwives and Physicians: 1869-1906 among 5 items available in this health category. One of the other items is a book, which of course, you can't order unless you order it through a Family History Library and the other is a film of Health Facility Reports. I would think that these three films would be of great interest to people in the St. Louis area as well as outside of St. Louis. I e-mailed the County Library to determine if these films are in their collection and they are not. I called the Public library and found that they are not in the collection of their library either. However, Kathy Smith, our list buddy, told me that she thinks the registers are available at City Hall and recommended that I call and ask about it. I called the Archives at City Hall (314-622-4610) and was advised that they are not sure if they have the records. They are going to return my call. These films would especially be of interest to anyone who had a physician in their family, and/or anyone searching for a female during those years. So, for everyone with interests in St. Louis health records - in or out of St. Louis- these films are available through the LDS library and are probably worth checking out. I will post any information I get about the availability of these records through St. Louis City Hall when they return my call. Diane Shaw Hi Diane, I am sorry but we do not have permission from the owning archive to purchase these films. Joyce At 01:36 PM 11/25/2005 -0600, you wrote: I have found a set of 16 films that are in the Mormon Church (LDS) library that are City Hospital registers for the years 1846 through 1900. The Female Hospital registers are there too. I have never seen this collection in the County or City Libraries. Are they available in St. Louis? Diane Shaw Hillsboro, MO

Dear Bj, See following website for the St. Louis Public Library-my most favorite library, since I am in Michigan and they have all this wonderful St. Louis stuff. http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/geneinfo.htm Georgia Bj wrote: > Thank you so very much! > > [email protected] wrote:The city directories are available on microfilm at the city and county main > libraries. > > A search can be had for a modest fee, given a specific search area - such as > 1920-1925. > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]ink.net > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.

Has anyone else seen this? The St. Louis County Library has begun an index to surnames mentioned in the St. Louis Watchman-Advocate. The St. Louis Watchman-Advocate was a weekly newspaper that covered St. Louis county and began in 1881. Have a look here for the index to surnames mentioned in the 1881 Watchman-Advocate. This will be a wonderful tool! http://www.slcl.org/branches/hq/sc/indexes/watchman/watchmanindexmain.htm Diane Shaw

Thank you so much. Yes I have really looked at the 1920 census and don't find her. I have checked St. Charles, but not the IL side, and she could have been over there. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Question regarding burial permits from St. Louis POST > Having been last listed in the city directories in 1916 she may well > have > spent her remaining years with a relative or in a home of some sort. > Have you > looked at census for 1920? > > Have you checked neighboring counties - Jefferson, St. Charles, even > into > St. Clair and Madison Co IL? > > I would go with census first to see if there are people of this > surname in > those areas at that time. > > There should be a death certificate for her at that time period in > either > area. I feel you will be able to get one for her and that will tell u > where she > is buried and parents names, if known by the information provider. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address [email protected] If you are > trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility > address but change the -L- to a -D- > >

She would have had only one sister living and I have her name, and can't find her either. The family died out, so I can't think of anyone else, she did not know where my mom was etc. I am afraid, maybe she was staying at some sort of institution or with someone else.......she could have had a stroke or something. She was in the city directores regularly up until 1916, than droped out of sight until she died in 1926...... or she could have been a boarder too. Usually the boarders are listed, but not always Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Question regarding burial permits from St. Louis POST > But also don't forget if she WAS with relatives their surname may have > not > been the same as hers. > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will > be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > >

Hi I beleive the city and county Libraries at St. Louis have them. Years ago, I went down and actually looked the directories themselves. I live about 150 miles out of St Louis and don't go much, but I am 50 miles from the Mo State Archives, I will probably have to drive over there sometime. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bj" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Question regarding burial permits from St. Louis POST > Hi Pat > You mentioned St Louis City Directories. > I was wondering how and where I can find such a Directory? > Thanks > Betty (Conners) Bagwell > > Pat Hammons <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > After searching for 7 years for a couple of ancestrial aunts who were > sisters, I may have finally found one of them in the 1926 St. Louis > Post > obits, that was just released. > > The name I was looking for was: Eugenia (Jennie) Guillemot, and I > searched for every spelling I could think of , when I had the MO > Archives search for a death. Well there is a EUGENIA GUILKEMOT listed > in > 1926. This just has to be her. > > My problem is that it looks like there is no obit, only a burial > permit, > and those never have any information in them. I have sent for it > anyway > and also again to the Mo Archives for another try for a death record > > My question is: is there any place else I can check? I feel like she > may have been the last of her family (my mother was adopted, so did > not > know her family) This Jennie was mom's great aunt. Jennie had no > children. I did not find her in the Catholic burials, and she may not > have kept to the Catholic religion. Mom's older sister died and we are > the only living relatives, so there are no family bible's etc. etc. > > Jennie was last listed in the 1916 St Louis City directory, then I > checked the directories up to 1922 and did not check further assuming > she had died around 1916 or so. > > If anyone has any idea's I would appreciate it, my only hope is that > Jeff city can find a death record!!! > > Thanks > > Pat > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will > be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett [email protected] > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address [email protected] If you are > trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility > address but change the -L- to a -D- > >

The city directories are available on microfilm at the city and county main libraries. A search can be had for a modest fee, given a specific search area - such as 1920-1925.

But also don't forget if she WAS with relatives their surname may have not been the same as hers.

Having been last listed in the city directories in 1916 she may well have spent her remaining years with a relative or in a home of some sort. Have you looked at census for 1920? Have you checked neighboring counties - Jefferson, St. Charles, even into St. Clair and Madison Co IL? I would go with census first to see if there are people of this surname in those areas at that time. There should be a death certificate for her at that time period in either area. I feel you will be able to get one for her and that will tell u where she is buried and parents names, if known by the information provider.

Thank you so very much! [email protected] wrote:The city directories are available on microfilm at the city and county main libraries. A search can be had for a modest fee, given a specific search area - such as 1920-1925. ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]

Hi Pat You mentioned St Louis City Directories. I was wondering how and where I can find such a Directory? Thanks Betty (Conners) Bagwell Pat Hammons <[email protected]> wrote: Hello, After searching for 7 years for a couple of ancestrial aunts who were sisters, I may have finally found one of them in the 1926 St. Louis Post obits, that was just released. The name I was looking for was: Eugenia (Jennie) Guillemot, and I searched for every spelling I could think of , when I had the MO Archives search for a death. Well there is a EUGENIA GUILKEMOT listed in 1926. This just has to be her. My problem is that it looks like there is no obit, only a burial permit, and those never have any information in them. I have sent for it anyway and also again to the Mo Archives for another try for a death record My question is: is there any place else I can check? I feel like she may have been the last of her family (my mother was adopted, so did not know her family) This Jennie was mom's great aunt. Jennie had no children. I did not find her in the Catholic burials, and she may not have kept to the Catholic religion. Mom's older sister died and we are the only living relatives, so there are no family bible's etc. etc. Jennie was last listed in the 1916 St Louis City directory, then I checked the directories up to 1922 and did not check further assuming she had died around 1916 or so. If anyone has any idea's I would appreciate it, my only hope is that Jeff city can find a death record!!! Thanks Pat ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected]

Hello, After searching for 7 years for a couple of ancestrial aunts who were sisters, I may have finally found one of them in the 1926 St. Louis Post obits, that was just released. The name I was looking for was: Eugenia (Jennie) Guillemot, and I searched for every spelling I could think of , when I had the MO Archives search for a death. Well there is a EUGENIA GUILKEMOT listed in 1926. This just has to be her. My problem is that it looks like there is no obit, only a burial permit, and those never have any information in them. I have sent for it anyway and also again to the Mo Archives for another try for a death record My question is: is there any place else I can check? I feel like she may have been the last of her family (my mother was adopted, so did not know her family) This Jennie was mom's great aunt. Jennie had no children. I did not find her in the Catholic burials, and she may not have kept to the Catholic religion. Mom's older sister died and we are the only living relatives, so there are no family bible's etc. etc. Jennie was last listed in the 1916 St Louis City directory, then I checked the directories up to 1922 and did not check further assuming she had died around 1916 or so. If anyone has any idea's I would appreciate it, my only hope is that Jeff city can find a death record!!! Thanks Pat

I have found a set of 16 films that are in the Mormon Church (LDS) library that are City Hospital registers for the years 1846 through 1900. The Female Hospital registers are there too. I have never seen this collection in the County or City Libraries. Are they available in St. Louis? Diane Shaw Hillsboro, MO

Hi, Diane! Happy Thanksgiving! The address I have for Mary Ann is [email protected] She didn't respond to my last email to her so I don't know if this is still active. Gloria

I am transcribing a list of Sisters of Notre Dame that was sent to me by Mary Ann Moellner. Unfortunately, I can't find her address. I need for her to contact me to clarify some of the information she sent me. Many thanks! Diane

Dear William, I think that you have to unsubscribe with your old address, then resubscribe using your new one. See the following for more info. When you subscribe or unsubscribe, it should not appear on the mailing list. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/MO/st._louis.html Georgia William Nicoll wrote: > Please notice a change of e-mail address from [email protected] to: > [email protected] Would appreciate it if you would send the > Mo-Stlouis-metro-D Digest to our new address. > Thank you, > William Nicoll > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:00 PM > Subject: MO-STLOUIS-METRO-D Digest V05 #232 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005 > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you haven't visited Dave Lossos' "Genealogy in St. Louis" website (http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com/) you might want to take a look.