Dear Bob, Our library holds a published German Masonic roster dated 1868 that lists an H. Zakrzewski. I'll send you a copy of the page; I can't recall if I sent it to you before. Here's the exact title of this roster: Mitglieber-Verzeichniss der unter der Ger. und Vollk. St. Johannes-Loge, Erwin No. 121 im Orient St. Louis [Membership index of St. Johannes Lodge, Erwin No. 121 (Freemasons)] (St. Louis, Mo.: May 1868) Sincerely, Dennis Northcott Missouri Historical Society Bob Doerr wrote: >My great-grandfather, Herman Zakrzewski, was buried in Gatewood (Picker) in >1908. I obtained his grave number (Sec. G1E Grave 245) from a previous >owner. Now the City records do not include him, or his wife, who was buried >somewhere (presumably Gatewood) in 1909. > >Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "4mygenealogy" <4mygenealogy1@comcast.net> >To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:37 PM >Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Garden Gardens Database > > > > >> Lynn: Thank you for posting that URL. It takes but one message on an >> >> >email list to help break down a brickwall - and you've done just that by >sending the info to the list. > > >> Coupled with the help of a kind volunteer at FindAGrave.com (who >> >> >photographed the family plot) and with the info I found at the STLCIN >website, I was able to confirm and match names, dates and, more importantly, >learn the married names of daughters. > > >> This was an early Christmas gift!!! >> Jacquie (in Wet Western Washington) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lynn >> To: mostloui@rootsweb.com ; stlouis-mo@rootsweb.com ; >> >> >mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com > > >> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:20 PM >> Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Garden Gardens Database >> >> >> I thought I would pass this along to the list. A fellow researcher found >> it by "web surfing". He found several of his missing cousins here. >> >> Gatewood Gardens Cemetery Burial Database >> http://stlcin.missouri.org/cemetery/ggsearch.cfm >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> >MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

In a message dated 12/12/2006 12:11:29 PM Central Standard Time, AldDan@aol.com writes: Is there some kind sole with a digital camera that would possibly take any pictures to em me of these ancestrial home address's if the buildings still exist in St.Louis? ==== Since you have not replied does this mean you are no longer interested in what I might know/have for you? Gloria

I agree. Although the info I found at the website was accurate, there are obvious gaps in those records - missing children's names when pictures of GG very distinctly show their headstones. But, happily, with the info I found there, I've been able to find some significant info. Don't we all wish that all cemeteries have good records, maintenance! Jacquie E. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Doerr To: rags@mo-net.com ; mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Garden Gardens Database (Bob Doerr) A prior owner gave me the location of my great-grandfather's grave there. He was buried in 1908. It is not near a street. The city now has no such record. Further, I later learned of his wife's death in 1909; she is presumably buried there, but the city has no record. I think some records were not provided to the city. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks

A prior owner gave me the location of my great-grandfather's grave there. He was buried in 1908. It is not near a street. The city now has no such record. Further, I later learned of his wife's death in 1909; she is presumably buried there, but the city has no record. I think some records were not provided to the city. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "ruth stubbs" <rags@mo-net.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Garden Gardens Database (Bob Doerr) > My gr grandfather Henry Zoll and one of his daughters are buried there > circa 1900. When I visited the office downtown I found the people very > helpful. But according to an old article from one of the St Louis > neighborhood papers, at least one of the previous owners refused to > give up all the interment records. I have been to the cemetery on > several occasions and it is my belief that as the streets got larger > the cemetery got smaller. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My gr grandfather Henry Zoll and one of his daughters are buried there circa 1900. When I visited the office downtown I found the people very helpful. But according to an old article from one of the St Louis neighborhood papers, at least one of the previous owners refused to give up all the interment records. I have been to the cemetery on several occasions and it is my belief that as the streets got larger the cemetery got smaller.

In a message dated 12/12/2006 12:11:29 PM Central Standard Time, AldDan@aol.com writes: Is there some kind sole with a digital camera that would possibly take any pictures to em me of these ancestrial home address's if the buildings still exist in St.Louis? I'd be gratefull & return whatever I can do from the Memphis Tn. anyone on the list may need. ==== Nanette, Did you get any offers yet? Gloria

apologies.. trying an email filter.

Thanks Dan, This will be a very helpful site. Nannette

In a message dated 12/12/2006 5:00:54 PM Central Standard Time, bdoerr@msm.umr.edu writes: My great-grandfather, Herman Zakrzewski, was buried in Gatewood (Picker) in 1908. I obtained his grave number (Sec. G1E Grave 245) from a previous owner. Now the City records do not include him, or his wife, who was buried somewhere (presumably Gatewood) in 1909. ===== I have the same experience, Bob. That City site leaves a lot to be desired too. You'd think they would know how to spell cemetery. Perhaps they don't have the "PG" personal grave section listed. That's where my great uncle is. These are single graves so there is no "Lot" information with them. Gloria

My great-grandfather, Herman Zakrzewski, was buried in Gatewood (Picker) in 1908. I obtained his grave number (Sec. G1E Grave 245) from a previous owner. Now the City records do not include him, or his wife, who was buried somewhere (presumably Gatewood) in 1909. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "4mygenealogy" <4mygenealogy1@comcast.net> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Garden Gardens Database > Lynn: Thank you for posting that URL. It takes but one message on an email list to help break down a brickwall - and you've done just that by sending the info to the list. > Coupled with the help of a kind volunteer at FindAGrave.com (who photographed the family plot) and with the info I found at the STLCIN website, I was able to confirm and match names, dates and, more importantly, learn the married names of daughters. > This was an early Christmas gift!!! > Jacquie (in Wet Western Washington) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lynn > To: mostloui@rootsweb.com ; stlouis-mo@rootsweb.com ; mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:20 PM > Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Garden Gardens Database > > > I thought I would pass this along to the list. A fellow researcher found > it by "web surfing". He found several of his missing cousins here. > > Gatewood Gardens Cemetery Burial Database > http://stlcin.missouri.org/cemetery/ggsearch.cfm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Nanette, I forgot to send you this link from the Assessors Office in the City of St Louis. Sometimes the lot is vacant, but there is still information about the land it was on. http://stlcin.missouri.org/assessor/propertyDetails.cfm or ask for City of St Louis, Assessors Office. If you don't find the house you are looking for, try looking for the houses next door. LaVerne

In a message dated 12/9/2006 11:58:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, BLUEBARRON1@msn.com writes: Is there some kind sole with a digital camera that would possibly take any pictures to em me of these ancestrial home address's if the buildings still exist in St.Louis? I'd be gratefull & return whatever I can do from the Memphis Tn. anyone on the list may need. 1219 , 1239 ,1445 N. 9th St. 2004 Hereford 2523 N. Sarah St. 3960 Chouteau Av. 921 - O'Fallon 4115 Donavan Av. 1541 Valle Av. (Wellston area) Thank You.Nannette Bluebarron1@msn.com_mailto:Bluebarron1@msn.com_ (mailto:Bluebarron1@msn.com) **************************************** Here is a link to the number-street address search page of "Geo St. Louis," a relatively new website provided by the City of St. Louis: _http://stlcin.missouri.org/citydata/newdesign/addressparser.cfm?addresssearch =&previouspage=data_ (http://stlcin.missouri.org/citydata/newdesign/addressparser.cfm?addresssearch=&previouspage=data) This is a GREAT tool - everyone should check it out. There is a lot one can do with this interactive program. But to help answer your question, if you type in an address, you get graphic and aerial maps of the lot and some text which will tell you, among other things, if there is still a building on the site. For example, if you search for 2523 N. Sarah, it shows that this is now a vacant lot, and there is no need to go there to take a photo: _http://stlcin.missouri.org/citydata/newdesign/data.cfm?Handle=13666000450_ (http://stlcin.missouri.org/citydata/newdesign/data.cfm?Handle=13666000450) Assessor Class: 100 (Individual) Assessor Use: 1010 (VACANT RESIDENTIAL LOT) Strategic Land Use Designation (http://stlcin.missouri.org/landuse/use2.cfm) : Neighborhood Development Zoning: C (Multiple Family Residential) Here is a link to a PDF tutorial of other things the web page can do: _http://stlcin.missouri.org/citydata/newdesign/training.pdf_ (http://stlcin.missouri.org/citydata/newdesign/training.pdf) Dan McGuire

Lynn: Thank you for posting that URL. It takes but one message on an email list to help break down a brickwall - and you've done just that by sending the info to the list. Coupled with the help of a kind volunteer at FindAGrave.com (who photographed the family plot) and with the info I found at the STLCIN website, I was able to confirm and match names, dates and, more importantly, learn the married names of daughters. This was an early Christmas gift!!! Jacquie (in Wet Western Washington) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn To: mostloui@rootsweb.com ; stlouis-mo@rootsweb.com ; mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Garden Gardens Database I thought I would pass this along to the list. A fellow researcher found it by "web surfing". He found several of his missing cousins here. Gatewood Gardens Cemetery Burial Database http://stlcin.missouri.org/cemetery/ggsearch.cfm

Amen Brother! (Oh, that might be a cell phone response, but I agree with you.) If anyone has researched the rootsweb archives, they will appreciate keeping the topic of the post (the subject) on message, and not wading through mountains of "OK" and "Thank You" and "Me Too". Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: G STOLTMAN <stopan@msn.com> > To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/11/2006 9:19:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Let's straighten up > > Hi Barbara > > As I stated, "Please address the list with information that we could all use." I'm not asking for a sterile environment, only that we discontinue the one word answers such as, "O.K." and "that's nice," etc. This list is not for that type of communication. I'm not a new member and I appreciate the, "personal touch" as much as anyone else. But, I don't enjoy listening to others cell phone conversations either. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Byrd<mailto:barbjbyrd@yahoo.com> > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:16 AM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Let's straighten up > > > One of the things I like about the list is the > "personal touch" that I see on the written page...or > computer screen. It makes me feel that our > Mo-Stlouis-Metro group know each other and are > sensitive to the things that we see going on in each > other's lives. I also know that most of the people on > the group will come thorough with helpful hints and > suggestions when I'll needing help. Barbara > --- G STOLTMAN <stopan@msn.com<mailto:stopan@msn.com>> wrote: > > > Listers > > > > Please address the list with information that we > > could all use. For example, don't send "Thanks > > Herbie" - "I'll find out" etc. to all of the rest > > of us. It's just courteous and the time it takes to > > send directly is a fraction of the time all of us > > take to read and delete. > > > > Thanks > > > > Gary Stoltman > > Mercerville, NJ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsw eb.com> with the > > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com<http://new.mail.yahoo.com/> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsw eb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara As I stated, "Please address the list with information that we could all use." I'm not asking for a sterile environment, only that we discontinue the one word answers such as, "O.K." and "that's nice," etc. This list is not for that type of communication. I'm not a new member and I appreciate the, "personal touch" as much as anyone else. But, I don't enjoy listening to others cell phone conversations either. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Byrd<mailto:barbjbyrd@yahoo.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Let's straighten up One of the things I like about the list is the "personal touch" that I see on the written page...or computer screen. It makes me feel that our Mo-Stlouis-Metro group know each other and are sensitive to the things that we see going on in each other's lives. I also know that most of the people on the group will come thorough with helpful hints and suggestions when I'll needing help. Barbara --- G STOLTMAN <stopan@msn.com<mailto:stopan@msn.com>> wrote: > Listers > > Please address the list with information that we > could all use. For example, don't send "Thanks > Herbie" - "I'll find out" etc. to all of the rest > of us. It's just courteous and the time it takes to > send directly is a fraction of the time all of us > take to read and delete. > > Thanks > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com<http://new.mail.yahoo.com/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought I would pass this along to the list. A fellow researcher found it by "web surfing". He found several of his missing cousins here. Gatewood Gardens Cemetery Burial Database http://stlcin.missouri.org/cemetery/ggsearch.cfm If you can problems getting into like I did, go to -- http://stlouis.missouri.org/ Select "Search" from left frame (below "About CIN") Type in: Gatewood Gardens burials The searchable database should come up. It appears the Surnames are exact spellings Happy Hunting! Lynn ______ Visit my homepage: http://webs.lanset.com/lingbro

Highly favorable word about Megan Smolenyack reaches me from one of the experts in MoSGA. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES O BRASHER" <jims505@msn.com> To: <mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Brick Wall > Thankee Kindly Gary. > > If you notice, I gave credit to a pro genealogist from Haddonville, New Jersey. By any chance have you ever run into Megan Smolenyack up there? She's a great gal, pretty smart too. For her article I think she gives me too much credit. I'll be condensing that story for Bob down in the "Beautiful Missouri Ozarks" a little later.----Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: G STOLTMAN<mailto:stopan@msn.com> > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Brick Wall > > > Hi James: > > Congratulations. Great story. - finally an ending and it's a happy one. Always enjoy your prose. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Byrd<mailto:barbjbyrd@yahoo.com<mailto:barbjbyrd@yahoo.com>> > To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo -stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Brick Wall > > > James, Thank you for making my day! Barbara Byrd > --- JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com%3Cmailto:jims 505@msn.com>>> wrote: > > > The Brick Wall > > > > > > > > By now, everyone who has been doing work in the > > genealogy field, for even a week, knows for certain > > that it is a contrary, confusing and very > > frustrating field loaded with brick walls, hidden > > bodies, informational land mines and most of all, > > reluctant relatives who just won't talk about Uncle > > Otis who shot the post master over there in, > > "Wandering Holler, Missouri." And finally to drive > > you once and for all time, battier than a bed bug, > > you find you can not find that cousin you are > > absolutely certain is still alive but has moved out > > of Wandering Holler, Missouri to bigger and better > > things. > > > > > > > > Then add to all the above problems the problem that > > you may be searching for a Smith, Brown, Jones or > > Garcia and you have a problem that will drive you > > over the brick wall you are trying to climb for > > truth and enlightenment, just in time to kick the > > dog, beat the kids and comfortably set your own hair > > on fire when you are in a more relaxed mood, only to > > discover there is nothing on the other side of that > > brick wall but broken bottles, rusty tin cans, > > discarded mattresses and, maybe, a few homeless > > Hobos roasting weenies over an open fire. > > > > > > > > "BUT," sometimes on the other side of that brick > > wall you find a huge pile of Christmas gifts gaily > > wrapped in pretty wrapping paper, hams in cans, fine > > wines in beautiful bottles and your favorite wife > > all spruced up and standing there holding your > > favorite pair of lounging slippers ready to slip > > them on your worn out feet. > > > > > > > > Of course it wasn't Josephine on the other side of > > my brick wall; she thinks my lounging slippers are > > ugly, where I think they're beautiful. Thinking > > back, I don't remember seeing any hams or fine wines > > or gifts either. But something like this happened > > last week right when I was feeling pretty low about > > happenings in my family that are still driving me up > > the wall but not over. > > > > > > > > Most of you old timers to the list might remember > > about two or three years ago I was searching for my > > great grandfather, Septimus (something) Brown. The > > (something) turned out to be (nothing) he didn't > > have a middle name. What Septimus did have was a job > > with the Missouri Pacific Railroad and that gave me > > a reference point to find that his father came to > > this country in 1865 from England and settled in > > Silver Mines, Missouri. This lead sent me to Carter > > County to find that Septimus married there and had a > > daughter in 1899 and that her mother died during > > child birth. That daughter was my grandmother, Betty > > Mae Brown who bore my father, Ralph Waldo Brasher > > Jr. I soon discovered that after my great > > grandmother's death in 1899 Septimus moved from > > Ellsinore to Poplar Bluff and every thing ended > > there. > > > > > > > > Like the intrepid hunter I like to believe I am, I > > drove to Poplar Bluff to search for my Brown family > > only to discover my leads were as cold as a mother > > in law's kiss. I couldn't find anyone. The only > > thing I can brag about on that trip is the very nice > > people I met and interviewed down in Southeast > > Missouri. That was fun. > > > > > > > > I searched all over that town for any living Brown I > > could find and everyone I met had never heard of a > > Septimus Brown. I left Poplar Bluff knowing I would > > never find any of my living Brown cousins and came > > home. > > > > > > > > Oh well, 2006 has not been a good year for me and so > > I have not been doing any research on my genealogy > > lines. > > > > > > > > Last week I was sitting at home angrily watching TV > > when I got a phone call from Haddonfield, New Jersey > > from a professional genealogist named Megan who told > > me she worked for the department of the Army. She > > wanted to know what my relationship to Septimus > > Brown was. > > > > > > > > What the heck is this? Septimus was never in the > > Army or any other service. He was even too old to > > serve in WW-1 and wasn't born during the civil war, > > he was born in 1876. I thought, "Maybe he was a spy > > during World War Two and they needed some > > information about his spying activities behind enemy > > lines." But that couldn't be either; Septimus was > > working for the railroad during the 1940s. He had > > come out of retirement after retiring in 1941 to go > > back to work in 1942 because the younger men were at > > war and the railroad was an integral part of > > America's war effort and had to be made to operate > > no matter what. Old Septimus didn't retire, finally, > > until 1953 when a stroke got him at Tower Grove > > station in St Louis and still he was kicking until > > the grim reaper came and got him in 1966 in Poplar > > Bluff. > > > > > > > > After talking for awhile I asked Megan what her > > interest was in Septimus, my great grandfather. She > > began by telling me there had been a car accident in > > New Mexico and there was a bunch of photo albums in > > that wrecked car. "OH MY GOSH," My great > > grandfather, Septimus Brown, had just been killed in > > a car accident in New Mexico. > > > > > > > > But wait a minute, Septimus had died in 1966 this > > was 2006, how could that be?.... It wasn't. > > > > > > > > The story unfolded as Megan continued to talk. > > > > > > > > It seems that one of Septimus granddaughters moved > > from Poplar Bluff to Houston, Texas after her > > husband went to work there some years ago. She had a > > daughter who married there and later moved to Denver > > with her family. After moving to Denver and > > divorcing there, she remarried Samuel. Samuel and > > Angie, who was Septimus great granddaughter, moved > > to Albuquerque while I was back in Poplar Bluff, Van > > Buren and Ellsinore, searching for any Brown family > > members and I had no idea all this was going on. > > > > > > > > Mean while, it appears, there was some sort of > > problem with some type of riotous spirits and Sam > > and Angie divorced in Albuquerque in 2005 after > > which Angie promptly moved back to Houston with her > > family to her mama and daddy's abode, where she > > lives today. It is my belief that poor Sam was > > consoling himself with those same riotous spirits > > when he wrecked his Legacy SUV and left all that > > paper work and those picture albums in his wrecked > > car in a junk yard in Albuquerque where he now > > lives. > > > > > > > > Megan continues: A lady whose husband works in that > > junk yard spied a loose picture and thought it > > looked like one of his family members and took the > > picture home and gave it to his wife who got in > > touch with Megan in New Jersey. > > > > > > > > Megan thought: "What a great story this would make > > for Ancestry Dot Com's magazine. I think I will > > investigate and write the story." And so she has; it > > will appear in a future copy. She sent me a copy of > > what she submitted this week and I'm waiting too. > > > > > > > > Megan asked if I would be willing to go to the junk > > yard and get as much paper work and pictures as they > > would give me. "Sure," I said and off I went. The > > treasure was there and I ended up with it all. I > > made many copies of pictures and now have filled in > > a huge gap of the Brown branch of my family tree. I > > have also talked to one of Septimus daughters who is > > still alive and a granddaughter. The granddaughter > > is 55, the daughter is 71. > > > > > > > > There are two of Septimus daughters alive today in > > Poplar Bluff, one living in a nursing home with > > Alzheimer's and one who is married and remembers me > > from the only time we ever met in 1950 when both of > > us were fifteen years old, even as I remember her. > > The irony is that my grand Aunt is almost one year > > younger than me. That tickles me because Septimus > > was not just a pretty face, he was a lusty old devil > > too. He would have been 59 years old when his > > youngest daughter was born in 1935. Actually, Billie > > is five months younger than me, she was born in > > November, I was born in June. > > > > > > > > For some reason this Christmas doesn't look so bleak > > anymore, in fact I may go out and replace all my > > fishing gear then take a hobo home for lunch. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsw eb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METR O-request@rootsweb.com>> with the > > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > > and the body of the message > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com<http://www.answers.yahoo.com/<http://www.answers.yahoo .com%3chttp//www.answers.yahoo.com/>> and get answers from real people who know. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsw eb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com%3Cmailto:MO-STLOUIS-METR O-request@rootsweb.com>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsw eb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

LaVerne, No - I've never heard of it but will ck it out. Thanks Nannette

Listers Please address the list with information that we could all use. For example, don't send "Thanks Herbie" - "I'll find out" etc. to all of the rest of us. It's just courteous and the time it takes to send directly is a fraction of the time all of us take to read and delete. Thanks Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ

Hi James: Congratulations. Great story. - finally an ending and it's a happy one. Always enjoy your prose. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Byrd<mailto:barbjbyrd@yahoo.com> To: mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com<mailto:mo-stlouis-metro@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [MO-STLOUIS-METRO] Brick Wall James, Thank you for making my day! Barbara Byrd --- JAMES O BRASHER <jims505@msn.com<mailto:jims505@msn.com>> wrote: > The Brick Wall > > > > By now, everyone who has been doing work in the > genealogy field, for even a week, knows for certain > that it is a contrary, confusing and very > frustrating field loaded with brick walls, hidden > bodies, informational land mines and most of all, > reluctant relatives who just won't talk about Uncle > Otis who shot the post master over there in, > "Wandering Holler, Missouri." And finally to drive > you once and for all time, battier than a bed bug, > you find you can not find that cousin you are > absolutely certain is still alive but has moved out > of Wandering Holler, Missouri to bigger and better > things. > > > > Then add to all the above problems the problem that > you may be searching for a Smith, Brown, Jones or > Garcia and you have a problem that will drive you > over the brick wall you are trying to climb for > truth and enlightenment, just in time to kick the > dog, beat the kids and comfortably set your own hair > on fire when you are in a more relaxed mood, only to > discover there is nothing on the other side of that > brick wall but broken bottles, rusty tin cans, > discarded mattresses and, maybe, a few homeless > Hobos roasting weenies over an open fire. > > > > "BUT," sometimes on the other side of that brick > wall you find a huge pile of Christmas gifts gaily > wrapped in pretty wrapping paper, hams in cans, fine > wines in beautiful bottles and your favorite wife > all spruced up and standing there holding your > favorite pair of lounging slippers ready to slip > them on your worn out feet. > > > > Of course it wasn't Josephine on the other side of > my brick wall; she thinks my lounging slippers are > ugly, where I think they're beautiful. Thinking > back, I don't remember seeing any hams or fine wines > or gifts either. But something like this happened > last week right when I was feeling pretty low about > happenings in my family that are still driving me up > the wall but not over. > > > > Most of you old timers to the list might remember > about two or three years ago I was searching for my > great grandfather, Septimus (something) Brown. The > (something) turned out to be (nothing) he didn't > have a middle name. What Septimus did have was a job > with the Missouri Pacific Railroad and that gave me > a reference point to find that his father came to > this country in 1865 from England and settled in > Silver Mines, Missouri. This lead sent me to Carter > County to find that Septimus married there and had a > daughter in 1899 and that her mother died during > child birth. That daughter was my grandmother, Betty > Mae Brown who bore my father, Ralph Waldo Brasher > Jr. I soon discovered that after my great > grandmother's death in 1899 Septimus moved from > Ellsinore to Poplar Bluff and every thing ended > there. > > > > Like the intrepid hunter I like to believe I am, I > drove to Poplar Bluff to search for my Brown family > only to discover my leads were as cold as a mother > in law's kiss. I couldn't find anyone. The only > thing I can brag about on that trip is the very nice > people I met and interviewed down in Southeast > Missouri. That was fun. > > > > I searched all over that town for any living Brown I > could find and everyone I met had never heard of a > Septimus Brown. I left Poplar Bluff knowing I would > never find any of my living Brown cousins and came > home. > > > > Oh well, 2006 has not been a good year for me and so > I have not been doing any research on my genealogy > lines. > > > > Last week I was sitting at home angrily watching TV > when I got a phone call from Haddonfield, New Jersey > from a professional genealogist named Megan who told > me she worked for the department of the Army. She > wanted to know what my relationship to Septimus > Brown was. > > > > What the heck is this? Septimus was never in the > Army or any other service. He was even too old to > serve in WW-1 and wasn't born during the civil war, > he was born in 1876. I thought, "Maybe he was a spy > during World War Two and they needed some > information about his spying activities behind enemy > lines." But that couldn't be either; Septimus was > working for the railroad during the 1940s. He had > come out of retirement after retiring in 1941 to go > back to work in 1942 because the younger men were at > war and the railroad was an integral part of > America's war effort and had to be made to operate > no matter what. Old Septimus didn't retire, finally, > until 1953 when a stroke got him at Tower Grove > station in St Louis and still he was kicking until > the grim reaper came and got him in 1966 in Poplar > Bluff. > > > > After talking for awhile I asked Megan what her > interest was in Septimus, my great grandfather. She > began by telling me there had been a car accident in > New Mexico and there was a bunch of photo albums in > that wrecked car. "OH MY GOSH," My great > grandfather, Septimus Brown, had just been killed in > a car accident in New Mexico. > > > > But wait a minute, Septimus had died in 1966 this > was 2006, how could that be?.... It wasn't. > > > > The story unfolded as Megan continued to talk. > > > > It seems that one of Septimus granddaughters moved > from Poplar Bluff to Houston, Texas after her > husband went to work there some years ago. She had a > daughter who married there and later moved to Denver > with her family. After moving to Denver and > divorcing there, she remarried Samuel. Samuel and > Angie, who was Septimus great granddaughter, moved > to Albuquerque while I was back in Poplar Bluff, Van > Buren and Ellsinore, searching for any Brown family > members and I had no idea all this was going on. > > > > Mean while, it appears, there was some sort of > problem with some type of riotous spirits and Sam > and Angie divorced in Albuquerque in 2005 after > which Angie promptly moved back to Houston with her > family to her mama and daddy's abode, where she > lives today. It is my belief that poor Sam was > consoling himself with those same riotous spirits > when he wrecked his Legacy SUV and left all that > paper work and those picture albums in his wrecked > car in a junk yard in Albuquerque where he now > lives. > > > > Megan continues: A lady whose husband works in that > junk yard spied a loose picture and thought it > looked like one of his family members and took the > picture home and gave it to his wife who got in > touch with Megan in New Jersey. > > > > Megan thought: "What a great story this would make > for Ancestry Dot Com's magazine. I think I will > investigate and write the story." And so she has; it > will appear in a future copy. She sent me a copy of > what she submitted this week and I'm waiting too. > > > > Megan asked if I would be willing to go to the junk > yard and get as much paper work and pictures as they > would give me. "Sure," I said and off I went. The > treasure was there and I ended up with it all. I > made many copies of pictures and now have filled in > a huge gap of the Brown branch of my family tree. I > have also talked to one of Septimus daughters who is > still alive and a granddaughter. The granddaughter > is 55, the daughter is 71. > > > > There are two of Septimus daughters alive today in > Poplar Bluff, one living in a nursing home with > Alzheimer's and one who is married and remembers me > from the only time we ever met in 1950 when both of > us were fifteen years old, even as I remember her. > The irony is that my grand Aunt is almost one year > younger than me. That tickles me because Septimus > was not just a pretty face, he was a lusty old devil > too. He would have been 59 years old when his > youngest daughter was born in 1935. Actually, Billie > is five months younger than me, she was born in > November, I was born in June. > > > > For some reason this Christmas doesn't look so bleak > anymore, in fact I may go out and replace all my > fishing gear then take a hobo home for lunch. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MO-STLOUIS-METRO-request@rootsweb.com> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? 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