Good Morning, The Missouri State Archives has a searchable database of Missouri's Union Provost Marshal Papers: 1861-1866 online. I've ordered the microfilm reels for Oregon County and will transcribe and upload the information to the website when the films arrive. The database can be searched by surname or county: http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/provost/ N

Everyone, PLEASE read this posting and contact your politicians. NO ONE, much less tax-supported employees, has the right nor any invitation to "interpret" our history. Whether or not you agree with the lowering of these flags, DO SOMETHING to make your politicians aware of how you feel and the stance you expect from them on this issue. If you agree with the flag lowering, tell them. If you don't agree with the flag lowering, tell them the five most frightening words any politician can here: "YOU DON'T GET MY VOTE". Here are some helpful addresses: MO-CW Archives. Read the relevant discussion on the Missouri Civil War mailing list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MO-CW/2003-01 Governor Bob Holden Missouri Capitol Building Room 218 P.O. Box 720 Jefferson City, MO 65102-0720 phone# (573) 751-3222 fax# (573) 751-1906 const.t@mail.gov.state.mo.us Missouri Department of Natural Resources Director Steven Mafood P.O. Box 176 Jefferson City, MO. 65102 phone # (573) 751-4732 nrmahfs@mail.dnr.state.mo.us U.S. Senator Christopher Bond kit_bond@bond.senate.gov Ike Skelton (website) http://www.house.gov/skelton/contact.html Gephardt..... Gephardt@mail.house.gov To find contact information for your politicians: http://www.webcom.com/~leavitt/cong.html http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html Nancy "O.H.B." wrote: > > This was the response I received from the Mo. State Park spokesman. Guess I > am getting old and slow of wits cause it didn't explain a thing to me, > except so much political double speak. > > Mr. Barnes, > Thank you for your comments on the issue of Confederate flags. The Civil War > conflict in Missouri was an important aspect of our state's history. The > Missouri Department of Natural Resources uses Confederate Memorial State > Historic Site and Fort Davidson State Historic Site among others to tell > this story. > > The department remains committed to telling this part of history, including > the role of the Confederate soldiers who fought valiantly for what they > believed in. The decision to lower the flags from the flagpoles does not > reflect a change in this commitment. We will continue to use the flags as a > part of our interpretation but will display them in a more appropriate > historical context. By doing this, the flags will be displayed in a more > educational manner and we can be assured that no one can be offended by our > displaying of the flag. > > The decision to display the flags in a different manner is part of a wider > assessment of interpretation the department has been looking at for over a > year. A special committee has been established to reassess interpretive > presentations in state parks and historic sites. We want to ensure that we > tell all the stories in a way that informs, educates and inspires, and that > we do it in a manner that will not be offensive to anyone. > > Again, thank you for your comments. > > Sue Holst > Information Officer > Missouri Department of Natural Resources > Division of State Parks

This was the response I received from the Mo. State Park spokesman. Guess I am getting old and slow of wits cause it didn't explain a thing to me, except so much political double speak. Mr. Barnes, Thank you for your comments on the issue of Confederate flags. The Civil War conflict in Missouri was an important aspect of our state's history. The Missouri Department of Natural Resources uses Confederate Memorial State Historic Site and Fort Davidson State Historic Site among others to tell this story. The department remains committed to telling this part of history, including the role of the Confederate soldiers who fought valiantly for what they believed in. The decision to lower the flags from the flagpoles does not reflect a change in this commitment. We will continue to use the flags as a part of our interpretation but will display them in a more appropriate historical context. By doing this, the flags will be displayed in a more educational manner and we can be assured that no one can be offended by our displaying of the flag. The decision to display the flags in a different manner is part of a wider assessment of interpretation the department has been looking at for over a year. A special committee has been established to reassess interpretive presentations in state parks and historic sites. We want to ensure that we tell all the stories in a way that informs, educates and inspires, and that we do it in a manner that will not be offensive to anyone. Again, thank you for your comments. Sue Holst Information Officer Missouri Department of Natural Resources Division of State Parks

Usually quardianship was sought if it was a possibility that the surviving spouse might remarry. It protected underage children's rights to their inheritance. Was there a second marriage in the works? Denise ===== To the world you may be one person, to one person you may be the world. (annonymous) In memory of "DAREman Dave," Red Bluff Police Officer David Mobilio, Red Bluff, CA Schools Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.) Officer, killed in the line of duty, November 20, 2002. http://www.redbluffdailynews.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/November/21-2942-news2.txt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Good Morning, The website is back up, for the most part. We're still uploading files, so if you don't see something there today, or if a link doesn't work, just check back. I'll upload most of the CENSUS section by the weekend. We also have several new categories that will be added within the next week. EVERYONE will have to register again: http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ Choose "register" and go from there. The site is best viewed with Netscape 6/IE 5.5 or higher. If you have problems, PLEASE, clean out your browser cache and/or update your browser to see if this resolves the problem. If not, give me a holler. Thank you Dana and Annie for all your help! N

When there was no will the wife received only Dower Rights, 1/3 of the estate. The remainder went to the children. If the children were underage it was necessary for a guardian to be appointed to administer the estate of the children. The mother/wife could apply to the court for appointment as guardian. Many women did not have education and felt unqualified to fill the guardian role, thus another would be appointed. Having a guardian did not necessarily mean the children were removed from the home of the mother. Children where often from another marriage and the current wife had no legal hold on these children. She could still apply to probate to be the guardian. I have some where the mother or aunt was appointed guardian, others the grandfather, and some guardians were administrators of the deceased's estate. I think it really came down to who could and would fill this roll. Gava

My lookup volunteer said this about our topic: "By law, women could not have legal custody of children back then so Guardian's were appointed. Usually all they did though was hold any inheritance or trust that the father left the children until they became an adult. I have never seen an instance where the child actually went to live with the guardian." Lanita

Janis, Tried to reply to your email, but it bounced back.. Don't sweat it!! If you can't reply to 2 with your lap top, just reply to the List!! We'd rather hear from you in whatever means and ways you can!! Lanita

Long ago, the wife only had a dower's right to any property the husband had, and therefore, most of it would go to the children. Deloris ----- Original Message ----- From: "barbara smith" <eor@saber.net> To: <MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:24 PM Subject: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Becuase of there Holdings > As so many could not read and write that well alot were appointed one because of business, this way they couldn't sign way there Holdings as they were called and not know what they were signing. > Barbara > eor@saber.net > >

From: "barbara smith" <eor@saber.net> To: <ozarkn@southwind.net> References: 1 Hi, Some it was for holdings the family has such as land or what ever and alot of people couldn't read and write.This way the family couldn't sign away there holdings and not know they were doing so. Barbara eor@saber.net

Remember, guys... hit the REPLY TO ALL so your reply will go to the List.... Lanita

Okay, you guys! I've got a topic for you... Any idea why a Guardian was appointed after father's death when the mother was living and the kids were in her household? The year was 1867, and the mother was 48, the 3 children were 18 [boy], 13 [girl] and 10 [boy].... I've just learned about the guardianship papers and am intrigued why a guardianship was appointed when the mother was in good health and living in same household with the children... Is this a case of the woman being invisible with no rights? Lanita..

He did marry again after the death of that wife. I wondered if that was a possibility and yet another family member thinks it may be that he was not the father. I thought since she had been married before and her husband had also died before they married and had these two children it was or could have been because of their inheritance and he had to have guardianship to manage etc. I had just never heard of a man getting it and was surprised when I got the document. Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise Smith Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:37 AM To: MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Topic of discussion: Guardianship Usually quardianship was sought if it was a possibility that the surviving spouse might remarry. It protected underage children's rights to their inheritance. Was there a second marriage in the works? Denise ===== To the world you may be one person, to one person you may be the world. (annonymous) In memory of "DAREman Dave," Red Bluff Police Officer David Mobilio, Red Bluff, CA Schools Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.) Officer, killed in the line of duty, November 20, 2002. http://www.redbluffdailynews.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/November/21-2942-news2.txt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Good Morning, This was posted to another list and is posted here with the permission of that person. It's a little out of alignment, but I think you'll enjoy! > > I know that this really does not have to do with the Civil War, but after > > reading the earlier post about the flag in Missouri, I could not let this > > pass without sharing. Joe forgive me if this is inappropriate. But the > > message can not be ignored. > > > > I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. > > Chonna Denton > > > > > The following passage is from a sermon by John Hagee: > > > > > > >>I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at > > > >>Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. > > > >> > > > >>He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded > > > from > > > >>months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from > > > his > > > >>family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. > > > >> > > > >>He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He > > > >>looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this... > > > >> > > > >>I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now > > > your > > > >>children graduate too illiterate to read it. > > > >> > > > >>I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you > > > stay > > > >>at home because it rains. > > > >> > > > >>I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you > > > >>remain silent on critical issues, because it might be politically > > > incorrect. > > > >> > > > >>I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it > > > has > > > >>stolen democracy from the people. > > > >> > > > >>It's the soldier, not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the > > > press. > > > >> > > > >>It's the soldier, not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech. > > > >> > > > >>It's the soldier, not the campus organizer who allows you to > > > demonstrate. > > > >> > > > >>It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin > > > is > > > >>draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!! > > > >> > > > >>"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they > > > protect > > > >>us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform > > > for > > > >>us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and > > > > > > >>Savior. Amen."

I have a appointment for Guardianship for my GGG grandfather. His wife died and he requested guardianship. He was married 3 or 4 times had all these children and it makes one just wonder why would the man have to have this document if they were his own children? Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanita Sconce Miller Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:10 PM To: MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] another view My lookup volunteer said this about our topic: "By law, women could not have legal custody of children back then so Guardian's were appointed. Usually all they did though was hold any inheritance or trust that the father left the children until they became an adult. I have never seen an instance where the child actually went to live with the guardian." Lanita

Well I would like the answer to just the reverse. Why would a father of the children have to get guardianship after the death of the mother? Does this mean he wasn't really their father? Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: Lanita Sconce Miller Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:06 PM To: MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Topic of discussion: Guardianship Okay, you guys! I've got a topic for you... Any idea why a Guardian was appointed after father's death when the mother was living and the kids were in her household? The year was 1867, and the mother was 48, the 3 children were 18 [boy], 13 [girl] and 10 [boy].... I've just learned about the guardianship papers and am intrigued why a guardianship was appointed when the mother was in good health and living in same household with the children... Is this a case of the woman being invisible with no rights? Lanita..

As so many could not read and write that well alot were appointed one because of business, this way they couldn't sign way there Holdings as they were called and not know what they were signing. Barbara eor@saber.net

Hello, I have a share site where there are Rohm we post all of our old family and documents on the site. To get help and help others. I can put you on that. You will find alot of different names on there as it is not only for Rohm but there are plenty of Rohm and there lines on there. Barbara eor@saber.net > Barbara, > > This is interesting to me. My son married Carrie ROAM, daughter of Doug > ROAM, son of Dale ROAM - all from the Camden and Pulaski Co area. The name > was originally ROHM, so I imagine this is some family member. > > I would love some info on their descendants, to see if possibly I can match > them up. > > I'm sorry that I don't have much to offer in return. I do have quite a few > books for look-ups in Osage, Howell, Texas, and Laclede counties of > Missouri, and in White Co of IL, and in Giles, Dickson, Hickman counties of > TN.

My cousin Gail who I share 3 family lines with Nichols-Nowlin-Rohm. She did a book on the Rohms. The book has alot of the Rohm and there lines. I don't get along with Gail but she is a really great person and from the book you can see she did so very much work on research.The book is worth buying just for the names to keep straight ( I would hate to put all these names on MY FTW). The book is very well put together.There are very few pictures and no documents on all these lines in the book. It is 500 pages a big book but wish she had put pictures and documents in the book as it would have made it so much bigger but made it worth it's weight in gold. I do thank all of those that shared for the book. Barbara eor@saber.net

It will be back up by Friday. Cbmhalliday@aol.com wrote: > > Where is the oregon county history web site ---- it says it has been > moved or is down????? Has it been discontinued?