No it isn't. So many of us are doing research it is the number 1 hobbie in the US. It seems like those that have a obit or death, war, these tpye of things if you have 2 good records you send send proof to some places and they will record a delay birth or death or whatever. This helps restore the records that have been destroyed. MO. is one of those places that is so great for doing that so is ILL. few people ask for these because so many don't bother doing it. But the delay record even says what was used to record the record. Barbara eor@saber.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <lacywinston@earthlink.net> To: <MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:27 AM Subject: Re: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Need to ask > Barbara, > > I'm not sure if this answers your question, but if you're asking about > the use of pension files as primary sources, the answer is yes. The > pension file is sometimes the only proof of marriage/children and > remains one of the few acceptable proofs of marriage/lineage for > registry societies, such as the DAR. > > Does that help or did I just confuse things even more? > > > N > > barbara smith wrote: > > > > Are all that are doing research. > > When you find a grave or get war papers or any of these things that show proof that someone died was married of born dose anyone put in a delay cert. > > The reason I am asking is if you have 2 proof that show like a grave stone and a war pension should we use these to do this if they show the same information? How many are doing this. I know census and such use can't use as these change so much but some things don't. > > Barbara > > eor@saber.net > > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ >

I have been in hot "root pursuit" of my Sparks line.....again. I have not been able to find James Silas Sparks after 1870 census where he resided at age 17 with his parents, John P. and Anna in Chamois, Osage Co., Mo. He married my ggrandmother, Marie Alexander the following year and she gave birth to my grandmother, Lorena Sparks in 1873 in Willow Springs, Missouri. I have never found a trace of either Marie or James Silas since. Then I started thinking...(scary, I know!) 1.- What if he died young 2.- They divorced.........and Marie remarried. The one fact that sets Marie apart is that she and her parents were all born in France. I went back to 1900 Howell Co. census and looked for: France France France with the first name "Marie" And Voila....I found a Marie Jenkins...correct age, from France...both parents also. Are there any records available for divorces? Where would I find them? My next question: May I please have a lookup for the marriage of a Marie (Alexander, Sparks) Jenkins in Howell Co. I found this Marie in the 1900 - 1910 - and 1920 censuses in Willow Springs as a widow...so would have to be before 1900. I know this is a long shot, and I may be grasping for straws, however, I am a little more than excited at the possible prospect! Lorena

Are all that are doing research. When you find a grave or get war papers or any of these things that show proof that someone died was married of born dose anyone put in a delay cert. The reason I am asking is if you have 2 proof that show like a grave stone and a war pension should we use these to do this if they show the same information? How many are doing this. I know census and such use can't use as these change so much but some things don't. Barbara eor@saber.net

Subject: Re: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Take the help Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:01:21 -0600 From: "Patricia" <pjmm@tcac.net> To: <ozarkn@southwind.net> References: 1 , 2 this is true. The information I have is that they were around St Louis County.. I found a Richard Murrell who bought land there in 1823. If this Richard is the son of Benjamin and Mary Sims Murrell then things seem to fit. His son, James Harvey Murrell, used to say I was born and raised in AR and died in Mo and never moved... But that was in Ripley Co MO. I know where that was Just don't know where they were prior to that.. believe Richard Murrell returned to TN where he died. Brother of Richard, Isaac probably came to Mo with him and may have died in Mo. Just cant get enough information to get a good picture. Know that William was in Ripley Co by 1850, was post master from mid 1850 until about 1895. Believe he died in December of that year, as listed on old church records of Weakley Co TN, near Knob Creek, TN. William also, made chairs and other furniture. I believe some of the family went to Howell Co MO. Just did not keep many records back them.. I don't even know where William learned to read and write? by the time it came to my grandfather... James Ollie, he was illiterate. My grandmother had to do all the paper work for the family. Ripley county was not a great seat of leaning. My dad was born in the log cabin homesteaded by his grandfather James Wilson Johnson. He wanted an education and walked from Poynor, MO to Siloam Springs, AR where he went to college for a couple of years.this was right after the depression when no one had much money. Later he got his BS from Drury and his masters from U of M. pretty amazing I think the ups and downs of the Murrells. pjm

Pat, RE: My gggfather, William A Murrell, was born in MO Dec 24, 1820 Missouri didn't become a state until 1821.. how can the above be true? I think it would have been the Missouri Territory, and could be part of Arkansas. Just trying to help by thinking things out here.. Lanita

Hi List, My mind must have been as bleary as my eyes.....I forgot to give the ages of the children: William H. - 1 Gertie Hudelston - 1 Lorena

Hi List, I have spent the morning going through 60 pages of Ancestry's census images still trying to find my Sparks......with no luck. However, even through bleary eyes, on the very last page, the very last line....I found this. I know that several on this list have Huddlestons in their lines and you may have this information, but I thought I would post it.....just in case! Lorena Ancestry Images: 1880 Missouri Osage County Benton Township Monroe, Charles W M 22 married Farming Mass Mass Mass Georgia H W F 20 Wife Married Keeping house Ark Georgia Tenn William H W M Son Single Missouri Mass Ark Hudelston, Gertie (wirtten w/one "d") W F Orphan Single Missouri

*This just came across one of my lists. Take a look at it - and have your volume turned up. A quick 10-minute history lesson. Fabulous. Ann (Jobe) Brown From: "Sandi Gorin" <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: [SCKY] Animated Atlas of the US > Beej of this list sent me the following URL - PLEASE look at it. It is a > 10-minute free movie and traces the history of the growth of the US thru > Hawaii and Alaska ... goes thru the wars ... it is absolutely fabulous! > > http://www.animatedatlas.com/movie.html > > It rather brings the whole story together in 10 minutes and I know you'll > like it. Thanks Beej! Sandi >

I would take the help. I am getting so old and my family has been lost for so long I would gladly take the help in order to leave a better record for my children and grandchildren. I believe I have found the some of the lost connections but without documentation what good is that really? just speculation! My gggfather, William A Murrell, was born in MO Dec 24, 1820, according to the family bible and history but no documentation can be found. For me finally making the connection out weighs the pride of doing it my self. Pat Murrell Mata

There was alot of researched handed to me in one way or the other but I am glad that I did not take it write down an go on. I wanted to back up the information with documental proof. I found that several things were left out or not reliable. But the one thing I would have missed out was the new friends I met, the family I only heard about and the walks I had with family along with the conversations. I have brick walls that may never come down but I know I will continue to search for that family's beginnings. It has been fun. Sharon Duke Bettis > > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ >

I think once I got all the info, and it's documented and passes my 'inspection', I'd start contacting living relatives.. Oh my, what fun that would be, but I really have to say, that I enjoy the discovery as much as the finding out... I agree, Ann, it would be really hard to pass it up.. a couple of my lines have given me nothing but headaches.. but, when a brick wall comes down because of my own detective work, there is a real pride in seeing what I have accomplished! I've had a couple of brick walls come down within the last couple of months, and can honestly say that when I came up with an idea, and the idea proved to be correct, what more fun is that??!! Getting all the info would be like reaching a destination... you've arrived, but you've missed the journey and the excitement and contacts in between! Lanita

Talk about that brick wall!!! Sometimes just a little help with some look ups can point us in the right direction to where we can finish helping ourselves. Along those lines, I want to say that Nancy is an ANGEL. (Of course everyone on this list knows that!) Ona On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:44:20 -0600 "billyjd" <billyjd@grnco.net> writes: > Talk about help. I had a cousin on my mother's find my great grand > father's > on my dad's side and all his info , from the civilwar and his > records in N C > . it was great the help that you can get from family and friends , > like i > said before , i wouldn't have that brick wall of mine down if it > haden't > been for Lanita ,she found my great grand father in Oregon Co. That > open up > a door that you could walk through, and the rest is history . JIM > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ > > >

Talk about help. I had a cousin on my mother's find my great grand father's on my dad's side and all his info , from the civilwar and his records in N C . it was great the help that you can get from family and friends , like i said before , i wouldn't have that brick wall of mine down if it haden't been for Lanita ,she found my great grand father in Oregon Co. That open up a door that you could walk through, and the rest is history . JIM

I 'm hard core i guess ,i would still have to things for my self, thats why i have trouble accepting that the Songer family were ones called Zanger's , and half the family took the name Songer and the other half kept Zanger ,it don't make sence to me. JIM

Good going Ann. I am still going call you cuz even if I don't have all the facts. TomR --- Nancy <lacywinston@earthlink.net> wrote: > I really don't think anyone needs to hear what I > have to say right now. > Y'all go on and play nice! > > > N > > "Ann (Jobe) Brown" wrote: > > > > Well it certainly looks like we all agree that > none of us would be just > > satisfied with just having ALL the facts (though > most of us would quickly > > grab the information if just handed to us - who > could resist) and just > > giving up genealogy all together because all the > factual information that > > could be found was just given to us! We would > still have the migration > > trails to study, whys, new cousins to contact, and > neighbours to find. > > Genealogy is much more than just facts! There are > the epidemics, struggles, > > fights, religion, and other things to discover. > For example, though I > > learned that my ancestor, Hildebrand In Aebnit > belonged to the Dunkards, > > there is a bit story there to discover for those > diligent enough to find it. > > > > And even if I understood correctly, that > EVERYTHING was given to us - no > > need to look for anything - we would still have > those many NEW > > cousins/neighbors who travelled together, etc to > find. And as we all know, > > even those 'so called reliable first hand > documents' have been known to have > > errors! > > > > Hey Nancy, we're waiting to hear from you! > > > > Ann > > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ >

Well it certainly looks like we all agree that none of us would be just satisfied with just having ALL the facts (though most of us would quickly grab the information if just handed to us - who could resist) and just giving up genealogy all together because all the factual information that could be found was just given to us! We would still have the migration trails to study, whys, new cousins to contact, and neighbours to find. Genealogy is much more than just facts! There are the epidemics, struggles, fights, religion, and other things to discover. For example, though I learned that my ancestor, Hildebrand In Aebnit belonged to the Dunkards, there is a bit story there to discover for those diligent enough to find it. And even if I understood correctly, that EVERYTHING was given to us - no need to look for anything - we would still have those many NEW cousins/neighbors who travelled together, etc to find. And as we all know, even those 'so called reliable first hand documents' have been known to have errors! Hey Nancy, we're waiting to hear from you! Ann

Lorena, Sparks married into my McMillen line in Tippah Co., MS in the mid 1800's and then some came on to Arkansas. Any connection? Catherine Lz1z2z3z@aol.com wrote: > Sorry Guys, > I love this genealogy "stuff," but my Sparks side

I really don't think anyone needs to hear what I have to say right now. Y'all go on and play nice! N "Ann (Jobe) Brown" wrote: > > Well it certainly looks like we all agree that none of us would be just > satisfied with just having ALL the facts (though most of us would quickly > grab the information if just handed to us - who could resist) and just > giving up genealogy all together because all the factual information that > could be found was just given to us! We would still have the migration > trails to study, whys, new cousins to contact, and neighbours to find. > Genealogy is much more than just facts! There are the epidemics, struggles, > fights, religion, and other things to discover. For example, though I > learned that my ancestor, Hildebrand In Aebnit belonged to the Dunkards, > there is a bit story there to discover for those diligent enough to find it. > > And even if I understood correctly, that EVERYTHING was given to us - no > need to look for anything - we would still have those many NEW > cousins/neighbors who travelled together, etc to find. And as we all know, > even those 'so called reliable first hand documents' have been known to have > errors! > > Hey Nancy, we're waiting to hear from you! > > Ann > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/

ubject: Re: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] part 2 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 22:35:28 EST From: Lz1z2z3z@aol.com To: ozarkn@southwind.net, MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com Sorry Guys, I love this genealogy "stuff," but my Sparks side just simply will not cough up any information. So....I would take it in a micro-minute! Trying to find information on my grandmother's family is like playing a mind crushing game of chess....and never winning.  After I received the information I would have a blast contacting "cousins" and family that I never knew existed, which would open another totally new world.  What fun that would be!  So find it....and I will come! By the way.....in case I haven't mentioned it....I love this list! Lorena

Subject: Re: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] part 2 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 13:33:02 +1100 From: Ron Burnett <ron@cryptic.rch.unimelb.edu.au> To: ozarkn@southwind.net Hi Lanita, Just tried to send the message below to the list; apparently our mail server is doing a nasty thing with 'relaying' again, and the list's mail server blocks it. You could post it for me, if you think it worthwhile comment. Best regards, Ron At 18:45 08/02/2003 -0600, Lanita Sconce Miller wrote: > > AND... if you say, I'd grab it...... THEN, what would you do with all > the info? How would you continue your genealogical habit/passion? Well, yes, of course, I'd take it.  Then I would spend the rest of my life exploring it.  Putting it into historical and social context, looking at the hows and whys of the progression of the lives of the various members of the families to whom I belong, and using the information in both biographical and fictional writing.  Whatta treasure! Well, you did ask! Cheers, Ron