Hi, hope someone out there was cemt. records for Pitman Cemt. in Randolph Co. Arkansas. Need George and Amanda DAVIS dates of death so I can get an obit. for them. Thanks!!!! Tricia DeMoss ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Well, gang.. I have looked everywhere I know to look on ancestry.com for marriages of: Amos JUSTICE to Mrs. Margaret NETTLES Solomon NETTLES to Margaret [maiden name unknown] John D. JUSTICE to Sarah NETTLES All of the above had to have taken place 1810-1824 Does anyone have Heritage or another resource to check that they would be willing to do a lookup for me? I am thinking that it could be: NC SC TN AR MO HELP!!!! THANKS! Lanita I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNE flower.

Thanks, John... Nothing on an Amos JUSTICE in the pension files.. I have those books at m library, and that would have been the perfect proof.. but he isn't listed anywhere. The Land idea is a thought. That SOLOMON NETTLES [whose widow married Amos JUSTICE in a 2nd mar.] had land given to him for service in AR [1812]. I have that document.. but haven't been able to find a land document for service for Amos. I'll focus on that.. Hadn't thought of Jury service.. he was a constable in Madison Co... would he have had to sign something there? Thanks for the ideas and a couple more leads to check out.. Appreciate it! Lanita I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNE flower.

Thanks, Gava, for the info. If I cannot find a local person to hunt these down, is there a person, address, etc., that I can send my request to? Lanita Sconce Miller Researching my lines: ARNOLD, BELLAH, BENNETT, CLOAR, COUCH, DAVIS [2 lines], DETHROW, DUBOISE, DYER, ELLIOTT, FERRELL, JUSTICE, KIRK, MARRIOTT, MAYFIELD, MCBREYER, MCWILLIAMS, PRINCE, RIMMER, ROSSELL, SCONCE, STOGSDILL, SUPLER, TAYLOR, and many connecting families. Husband's line: BURDETT, CHAPMAN, DOWELL, HAYDEN, MILLER, and many connecting families. For information on my families, check out my website: www.lanitasloft.com I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNE Flower.

Lanita, As you recognize, the problem is proving the one in Missouri is the one in SC who also served in the war. Usual for this are soldier's bounties (land for service) and pension files. When Amos moved to Missouri, was it a cash sale or a bounty land purchase? If the latter, whose bounty was it? If it was Amos' own (not necessarily his even if it was a bounty land sale, since these were bought and sold by the original veteran), then that would say that he served in some conflict. The best are pension files, which will show children, spouses, and period of service. Since he died in 1829, a pension process may not have been started. The ones in my family were executed 1827-1835 or so; my understanding is that the veteran had to be old enough and unable to support himself and his family. Beyond this would be affidavits by the veteran or family members, such as for jury service, land purchases, attestations for someone else's pension files (any neighbors long-time acquaintances or comrades-in-arms?), and, rarely, homestead papers. Secondary sources, such as county histories might help, but they are less firm. You probably have the right person, and a little more digging should prove it. -- John R. Porter j.porter@usip.edu http://www.usip.edu/biology/John%20Porter.shtml

Powhatan Courthouse is an archives site located at Black Rock, Lawrence Co., AR. Very near the Old Davidsonville State Park. There are many territorial records at this site and the ladies are very helpful. Gava

Check out http://www.manataka.org/ . It is a Native American website with lots of information on tracing Indian roots. Some (page 17& 18) is specific to northeastern Arkansas and Oregon County, Missouri AND the Cherokee heritage of John M. Moore, great grandson of Chief Pathfinder. http://www.manataka.org/page17.html http://www.manataka.org/page18.html This may be the John Moore who is not mine, but it was very interesting. Judy

Wait till I tell the GENEALOGY NAY-SAYERS , about this. Perhaps they might appreciate us. Claudia J.Williams

just seemed to fit what researchers go through in some courthouses glad you liked it Carol ohnosecond: The amount of time between pressing "ENTER" key and realizing you should not have....

This was sent by Carol Thompson. What a hoot! Thanks for sharing! Lanita I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNE flower. Anybody who has ever bought a house can relate to this: A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client. He was told the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel of property being offered as collateral. The title to the property dated back to 1803, which took the lawyer three months to track down. After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply (actual letter): "Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract  of Title. While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented the application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear the title back to its origin." Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows (actual letter): "Your letter regarding title in Case No. 189156 has been received. I note that you wish to have title extended further than  the 194 years covered by the present application. I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working in the property area, would not know that Louisiana was purchased, by the U.S. from France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our application. For the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats, the title to the land prior to U.S. ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired it by Right of Conquest from Spain. The land came into the possession of Spain by Right of Discovery made in the year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by the Spanish monarch, Isabella. The good queen Isabella, being pious woman and almost as careful about titles as the FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to finance Columbus' expedition. Now the Pope, as I'm sure you may know, is the emissary of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and God, it is commonly accepted, created this world. Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that God also made that part of the world called Louisiana. God, therefore, would be the owner of origin and His origins date back, to before the beginning of time, the world as we know it AND the FHA. I hope the you find God's original claim to be satisfactory... The loan was approved.

Just got a lead [thanks Gava], that the above is at the Powhatten Courthouse. Anybody on the list live in Powhatten??? Would gladly pay you for your expenses! Lanita I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNE flower.

Hi Gena, Just another opinion re genealogy programs. I wrote my own genealogy data storage and reporting system back in the early 1980's, as there were none available in the marketplace. I continued to expand and enhance that system until I found a commercial program in the late 1990's (The Master Genealogist) that provided all of the support that I had designed into my own system (and a lot more!). I now use The Master Genealogist, and recommend that everyone looking for a genealogy program consider it before they make their decision. The Master Genealogist (TMG) definitely provides the most complete and versatile genealogical support available in the marketplace today. I feel the price is a tremendous bargain for the functionality you receive. But TMG is not the best genealogy program for everyone. There is a significant learning curve in order to take full advantage of the functionality provided. In a way, it's similar to a sophisticated word-processing or spread sheet program. It doesn't take long to learn the very basic functions. But, the program provides a lot of options on how to store data and report data, to take full advantage of the system. As with any program, the complexity and learning curve increase with the versatility. The complexity is not in the operation of the program. Data entry and simple reports are pretty straight forward. The complexity, in my opinion, is understanding the different ways that the program can be used (because of its versatility), and selecting the methods that you want to use to store your data. Some will find it exciting to learn the various functions and decide how they want to use those functions, while others, who are not as comfortable with computer software, or perhaps are very new to genealogy, may find it intimidating. So, if you enjoy learning and using computer programs like word processing and spread sheet programs, and want a genealogy program that will allow you to do just about anything you want to do with your data, TMG is probably the best way to go. If you aren't very comfortable learning how to use computer software (or you are brand new to genealogy), and just want a simple-to-use program that supports the basic needs of the genealogist for storage and reporting of family information, Family Tree Maker is a very popular program. FTM has a short learning curve, is easy to use, and provides the basic functions needed by most genealogists. I am sure that there are other good programs out there, but FTM is the only one I have tried other than The Master Genealogist. Genealogy software is a very personal choice. I found FTM to be very limiting. I have a lot of experience with computer software, as a developer and a user, and have been actively pursuing genealogy for many years. FTM didn't provide the flexibility or all the functions I was looking for. Others will be very satisfied with the support provided by FTM, and may consider TMG to be overkill for what they want to accomplish. TMG provides a lot of support for those who want to move their family information from another genealogy program to TMG. And I have found TMG to be extremely reliable. I am currently using version 4.0, as I have not yet upgraded to the latest version, version 5.0. I anticipate upgrading later this year. Previous upgrades have been very easy to accomplish. I have been using TMG heavily for six or seven years, have about 17,000 relatives stored on my data base, and have never lost any data because of any program problem. In the event of a problem or technical question, I have found the company's technical support to be excellent. You can find out more about this product at their web site, www.whollygenes.com. You can also use Google to search on the name of the product to find other opinions about the product. Good luck with your decision. Mike Landwehr

Gena, Family Tree Maker is a great program, very easy, and it can import your PAF or GEDCOM file and save it as a Family Tree Maker file. I started with Family Tree Maker several years ago, so I didn't have to do it, but I just checked the Help Topics index for importing PAF and GEDCOM and it looks very easy. Your original file and the BACKUP that I know you have ;o) are still there so if you made a mistake you could just start over, no harm done. (Always keep a recent backup copy of any important file, whether its your checkbook or your genealogy!) I did import a cousin's information once, and the only "hard" part was the time it took to confirm that similarly named individuals were the same person before they were merged. (Even though it might do it very quickly, you probably would not want your program to make the assumptions on its own, especially if you have lots of people with the same or similar names married to people with the same names as their ancestors and descendants.) I will paste in the Help Topic from FTM version 10 below so you can make a judgment on how easy it will be. I think you'll like FTM. You can print ancestor and descendant trees or hourglass trees, it gives you many options for printing these trees and for formatting reports. You can keep a scrapbook. It does timelines. Tons of good stuff! Judy Here are Family Tree Maker's instructions for importing a PAF. This is straight from the Help Topics in the program and, of course, it is copyrighted material, but I dont think genealogy.com, LLC will mind since I'm promoting their product! To open a PAF file (version 2.1 or later) in Family Tree Maker: Note: If you are trying to open a PAF file from the Macintosh version of PAF, you must first save the PAF file in PAF's DOS format before attempting to open it in FTW. 1. From the File menu, select Open Family File (ALT, F, O). 2. Click the Files of type drop-down list and then select Personal Ancestral File (INDIV2.DAT). Please note: There are two Import options. PAF 3.0 (*.PAF) and PAF 2.x (INDIV2.DAT). PAF version 3.0 uses .PAF extensions. PAF versions 4.0 and higher also use .PAF extensions, but must be converted to GEDCOM format before importing into Family Tree Maker. 3. In the Look in lists, select the drive and folder where the file you want to open is located and then select the file name. If you are unsure where your file is, click Find file and follow the instructions in Finding files. 4. Click Open to open the New Family File dialog box. 5. In the New Family File dialog box, you must give the PAF file a new name so that Family Tree Maker can make a copy of it and convert the copy to a Family Tree Maker for Windows file. Either click Save to accept the name that Family Tree Maker suggests or type a new name in the File name field and then click Save. The file name can be any valid Windows file name, up to 255 characters, although it must have the extension .FTW. If you do not type in the .FTW extension, Family Tree Maker will add it for you. 6. If Family Tree Maker encountered any difficulties while importing your file, it tells you that you can view a list of warnings and errors. After viewing the error list (if necessary) you can begin working with your Family File. Note: The Genealogy.com Online Help Center is a resource for answers to technical or customer service-related questions - 24 hours a day. Here you' ll find easy to understand articles, tips, step-by-step instructions and tools for using Family Tree Maker. From the Internet menu, select Technical Support, or point your browser to www.genealogy.com/help. Family Tree Maker version 10

Hi Friends, I read with interest all the comments about genealogy software. Good subject and it is great to gather information from several sources who have hands-on experience. I was dismayed to hear that there may be programs out there that do not generate or accept GEDCOM files. The LDS Church came up with this conversion method so that regardless of the type of program you may be using, you could share or receive information in a compatible form. If you have ever submitted information to the LDS Church, you would have done it via a GEDCOM file. Any program that forces you to keep an old hard drive as a means of preserving information or going to hours of work to re-enter information into a new program is not a good program. I regularly generate a GEDCOM file as a means of backing up my genealogy work; this is also the form used to upload the information to my World Connect site. And a GEDCOM file is the best method to share information with others who have genealogy software. If you haven't mastered the GEDCOM file, take a moment to do so. It is very easy to do on Family Tree Maker and several other programs that I have heard about. Once a week I burn a CD as a backup and stick it in our safe (Heritage Safe, by the way!) for safe keeping. You can also use a floppy or zip disc, depending on the size of your database. I have about 13,000 names in my database and it takes less than 2 minutes to do. I use a CD to update genealogy work on my laptop -- helpful when I am traveling or in an out of the way library somewhere. I cannot imagine the heartbreak of losing years of family history because of a hard drive crash. Like all work done on a computer, back up, back up, back up!! Good luck, Lonna Jean

Gena wrote: >I have an IBM clone puter.  PAF stands for  (sorry, >I should have mentioned this) Personal Ancestral File, it is the LDS >program. I use Sierra Generations (Deluxe Version). I find it extremely easy to use, very intuitive mostly. Even after several years of use, I only scratch the surface of its capabilities. It has a wealth of pre-programmed report formats, and can import/export GEDCOM files from other systems. It cost me the equivalent of about US$50.00 here in Australia when I bought it and I wouldn't expect it to be much more or less than that price now. Although it doesn't integrate with any sort of photo storage, it has plenty of places for notes of various types on the standard person screen layout, and it would be easy to enter your picture file name(s) in a consistent place somewhere. My only complaint with it is that if you make a mistake on entering multiple marriages, it doesn't seem to be easy to correct. Maybe somebody with more experience would like to give me a hint or two with that problem? Cheers, Ron Burnett Melbourne, Australia

I need to pick your brains.. I can't get my local DAR person to view my files, so thought I would try this over the List. For some of you who are experienced at researching for DAR.. and for some of you who aren't but are documentation hunters and experts... tell me what I need here... Remember, that I have to prove from one generation to the next... that isn't my problem..I've got from one generation to the next via wills and census..... what I THINK WILL be my problem is proving that the soldier who served in SC, was MY Soldier who died in AR... Give me some feedback... give me some direction here... I have a soldier, Amos JUSTICE, who served 6 months in the Rev. War in Spartanburg Co., SC when he was in his teens. I have the stubs found at the SC Archives that prove this. He married in NC to 1st wife, Mary McBREYER [1790 something].. I have the 1790 NC census and there was only 1 Amos JUSTICE.. I have the 1790 SC census, and there weren't ANY Amos JUSTICE. Also on this 1790 census, is listed a son.. it isn't my John D., and is either a Daniel or Amos Jr.... I have the 1800 NC Census where he is listed.... now has 2 sons.. my John D. is one of them. I have the 1810 NC Census where he is listed.... my John D. is still listed. I also have the 1810 NC Census that shows Solomon NETTLES. Solomon's county is next to Amos' county. Cannot find family anywhere in 1820 Census. By 1824, Amos moved with his 2nd wife, Mrs. Margaret NETTLES [widow of Solomon NETTLES] to Madison Co., MO. I have the guardianship papers appointing him as the NETTLES minors guardian. Haven't been able to find that 2nd marriage bond. I have Amos' probate papers that appoints his son, John D., as administrator [1829] and mentions wife, Margaret. I have the 1830 census where his son, John D. JUSTICE, is living next to his widow, Margaret JUSTICE. I have pictures of John D. and his wife's stone [Sarah, dau. of above Solomon and Margaret].. on John D's, along with the dates... is "Husb. of Sarah NETTLES JUSTICE] Oh yes, on the 1850 Census, where Amos' granddaughter is listed, she says that her father [John D.] was born in SC and her mother [Sarah Nettles Justice] was born in SC.. NOW.... what do I need? Wish I could find the 1820 census.. wish I could find the marriage bond for 2nd marriage.. Wish I could prove where and when his 1st wife died... all are dead ends.. Am also searching for a Will for Amos which on the internet says that his son DANIEL is mentioned in the Will. [no mention of any other son in the probate papers I have]. .that would satisfy that 1790 census... BUT, what else do I need gang?? Have I proven it to you? If not, where is the holes that will be a MUST to fill? Thanks for your help!! Lanita I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNE flower.

Okay, gang... Anybody have this book, or know where I can find a copy of these pages: In "Arkansas Territorial Papers 1819-1825 Volume XIX" which is a government record is the following: Date of Commission Persons Township (among others) 1827, June 7th Amos Justice SENR Davidson 1827 Oct 15th Amos Justice Davidson Lanita I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNE flower.

Hi Gena, I read your message regarding genealogy programs and would like to suggest Family Tree Maker. It is SO easy to use and generates the most amazing reports, family group sheets and trees. GEDCOM files are a snap. Correcting errors is also easy and adding another spouse, etc., is extremely easy. It also has scrap booking capabilities and you can connect to the Internet while in the program. It also allows you to have a personal web site where you can post material. I also have the PAF program loaded on my computer. I have a cousin in Utah who uses this program -- she sends files that have to be opened in PAF. I think it is a very difficult and cumbersome program to use -- but perhaps I am just plain spoiled after using Family Tree Maker for so many years. I saw the latest edition of Family Tree Maker at Office Max a week or so ago -- it was $49. It included the latest SSDI (Social Security Death Index) and some other genealogy CD's. This program has a lot of tools and aids that are helpful for researchers -- such as the ability to print census sheets, etc., as well as "how to" suggestions. The only drawback I have found is the continual upgrades -- they add an option or two each time -- but they really don't enhance the basic usefulness of the program. If you bought the most recent Family Tree Maker software, I think you would be set for years and years. Hope this helps as you shop for software. If I can answer any questions, please let me know. Lonna Jean >snip Subject: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Genealogy programs...pros and cons Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:17:42 -0700 From: "Regena Lally" <jrl91@worldnet.att.net> To: MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com Hello to my favorite list... Some time ago my old computer died, and it took with it my PAF system. I think much of my data may be retrievable by disk, but it is such a pain getting to it. Before do so I would like to make a decision about a new program. PAF was a good program, and now upgrades can be downloaded free. However it was a bit cumbersome to use. Especially after the death, re-marriage and the 2nd family of children came along. It took me a long while to learn that part, and now have forgotten what I learned. I will replace my program, but would like the opinion of those on the list. Here are my priorities... 1. Ease of use 2. Cost 3. Comprehensive program 4. Ability to print out new and up dated info on group sheets, etc. easily 5. Now that I am finding old photos, perhaps a way to include them 6. Since I am also a quilter...the thought in the back of my mind is...can this program assist me in a family memory quilt with transferred photos? Open to any and all thoughts and suggestions. Gena Gates Lally Sun City AZ >end snip

Gena, It has been a while since I weighed in on anything, but I do have a distinct preference when it comes to computer genealogy programs. PAF works for a final product, but not that good for what most genealogy is, a work in progress. I have used Roots III, IV, etc, and Family Tree Maker. Neither are terrible, but I have found them cumbersome and not that professional in appearance or output (I think Roots ## is no longer available). My all-time favorite is The Master Genealogist (http://www.whollygenes.com). A free trial down-load is available. Now, to your specific points: 1. Ease of use - pretty good once you get the hang of it, but there is a distinct learning curve. However, there is a very active discussion list (tmg-l@rootsweb.com), with many, many helpful people willing to help figure out simple and complicated issues. And, the company's technical support is the best anywhere. When something really bizarre happens, like the computer just lost your whole database, they can and will help you to get everything back. This has included individualized attention on a specific file and even phone calls from the owner and creator, Bob Velke. In this regard, they are first rate. There are also videos and help books now available (did not used to be). It will also import your PAF files without much hassle (always some clean-up involved, but often not much). 2. Cost - a bit on the pricey side, now $79.00, but, in my opinion, well worth it. 3. Comprehensive program - it has all others beat. Need to record that a neighbor knew something about a 5th cousin, 4 times removed? It handles it with ease. Unlimited generations, unlimited family members, unlimited types of events with dozens pre-defined. And, if you cannot find just the right "tag" to describe an event, just call it miscellaneous and input as much detail as you want. The program also reminds you to document your sources, making it easier to re-find later and useful when you want to publish. 4. Ability to print out new and up dated info on group sheets, etc. easily - many, many, many pre-defined reports. For whoever, and however many generations. 5. Now that I am finding old photos, perhaps a way to include them - I have done this quite a bit. The photos can be stored separately or incorporated into the database (makes the file larger, but you won't lose them). Can be printed with reports or exported. 6. Since I am also a quilter...the thought in the back of my mind is...can this program assist me in a family memory quilt with transferred photos? - I did this with many photos using an image processing software when my wife made a memory quilt for my grandmother a few years ago. Scanning those in led to putting many of these into the genealogy database once the quilt was finished. I have not explored whether the program would help with this, but a customized report might be able to do it. The discussion list or the company could probably suggest some ways to get this done. This is a very versatile program, that seems to have rather unlimited capabilities, endless options for including detail, very good referencing for sources, and many very positive features. If your highest priority is ease of use with little learning required, this is probably not the best choice. But, you will sacrifice capability. A "dumbed down" program is usually a "dumb" program. I did just as you are doing when I wanted to buy into a computer program to help trace my family. After visiting all comments at whatever site, this was the only program that people were not saying, "This is really great, but..." All I saw was, "This is really great." Four-and-a-half versions later, with most of the upgrades free or very cheap ($15-25), I am one who is still saying, "This is great -- period." -- John R. Porter j.porter@usip.edu

I was originally using the feee download from Ancestry and It was a little difficult. I purchased Family Tree Maker and (glutton for punishment that I am) reentered everything by hand from Ancestry (wanted to have it just so). You can do quite a lot with FTM, including entering photos plus most any notes you want. I believe I paid around $65 for it and one nice thing about the software is that they're continually updating it. When I bought it, it was version 9 and you can purchase the updates to keep "modern" (I haven't actually subscribed to the web site as yet so don't know how or how much the updates are). I must apologize as I tend to "run on" but hope this may give you some insight into FTM, at least. Larry Wyatt in S.A. (San Antonio, i.e.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Evans" <mevans7@houston.rr.com> To: <MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Software and computer > I have not had experience with all of the programs and am not qualified to > rate them but I once considered changing away from Family Tree Maker and > found the transition more than I wanted to deal with. In other words, will > the new software, whatever you may be interested in translate from the old. > If you must start from scratch, that is not an issue. Some people I know > have merely transferred their old hard drive to another computer and ran two > hard. That way, you don't lose the old and have it at your fingertips, so to > speak. Larry Wyatt recently fired up a new program and did a ton of > research. Maybe he will see this and respond. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lanita miller" <ozarkn@southwind.net> > To: <MO-OREGON-HISTORY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 5:37 PM > Subject: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Software and computer > > > > > > From: "Regena Lally" <jrl91@worldnet.att.net> > > Date: Fri Jun 27, 2003 2:17:28 PM US/Central > > To: "lanita miller" <ozarkn@southwind.net> > > Subject: Re: [MO-OREGON-HISTORY] Genealogy programs...pros and cons > > > > Hi Lanita and everyone. I have an IBM clone puter. PAF stands for > > (sorry, > > I should have mentioned this) Personal Ancestral File, it is the LDS > > program. I used to spend extraordinary amounts of time at the LDS Family > > History Center when I lived on the other side of the valley. Mesa AZ > > has the > > 2nd largest LDS Family History Library, with Salt Lake City being the > > largest. I lived only a few miles from the one in Mesa. I learned to use > > their program and since it was so inexpensive I just purchased the > > program > > for myself. I have a center here in Sun City (actually in the Peoria > > stake) > > but it is tiny compared to the other one. > > > > So, since I have to purchase and install a new program, I just wondered > > what > > was out there, and why people like or dislike a particular software > > program? > > > > Gena > > > > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ > > > > > ==== MO-OREGON-HISTORY Mailing List ==== > http://www.oregoncountyhistory.net/ > >