As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", as regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and our ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, me included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. The South was attempting several things in this war, some of them understandable in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation and legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find anything to defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. Pat

Someone correwct me if I'm wrong (I "know" you guys will!) but I thought at the beginning of the war slavery wasn't even an issue - it was state vs federal rights and economics. But Mr. Lincoln was a very smart politician and knew he couldn't get brother to fight against brother without a strong enough rallying point, thus slavery was introduced as an issue. SharonW -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", as regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and our ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, me included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. The South was attempting several things in this war, some of them understandable in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation and legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find anything to defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. Pat ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh Sherman ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Those who wish to understand the Missouri Confederates should read "General Orders No. 3" from Headquarters District of Missouri, dated Saint Louis, June 23, 1862. Study about the Northern Invasion, execution of pro Southern sympathizers and the confiscation and destruction of their private property. Before anyone "leaps upon my back," my maternal g-granddad served with the Missouri E.M.M. and my paternal g-granddad served with Elliot's 9th MO Cav. CSA. After spending hours of research in Polk County and Dallas County, I realized that my "poor folk" ancesters were fighting for their homes. My paternal g-granddad lost his farm and became a POW. I would have stood with my Southern heritage...not for slavery, but for home and in opposition to oppression. SM, USN Ret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Worthey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 > Someone correwct me if I'm wrong (I "know" you guys will!) but I thought > at the beginning of the war slavery wasn't even an issue - it was state > vs federal rights and economics. But Mr. Lincoln was a very smart > politician and knew he couldn't get brother to fight against brother > without a strong enough rallying point, thus slavery was introduced as > an issue. > SharonW > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 > > As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am > concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", > as > regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and > our > ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, > me > included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in > appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. > The > South was attempting several things in this war, some of them > understandable > in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation > and > legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find > anything to > defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of > > valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful > comments > from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. > Pat > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh > Sherman > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________

Pat, are you fortunate enough to have letters written by "your" ancestors? I do and I cry almost every time I read them. I would give anything if everyone would allow history to take care of itself. I have difficulty when I have to watch every thing I say for fear of "hurting" some one's feelings while that same someone could care less if my feelings are hurt. I had ancestors that came to this country as indentured servants. 'Scuze me? Is that different because their skin wasn't black? Most (if not all )of the people, given a choice, would refuse to go "back" now if their passage was paid for them. Their life in their "homeland" sure is NOT what it is here. Even the best of the lot. Has anyone ever considered what a dis-service was done to the black man by tossing them out to the wolves? I mean most of them had NO training as far as taking care of themselves. Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back home and Congress refused to do so. OK, Now that I have ticked off just about everyone on the list, I am NOT going to say another word about this. I apologize if I hurt feelings, that was not my intent. My folks NEVER owned anyone and I am tired of having to apologize as if they did. Laura. my private email (should you wish to chew me out ) is [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", as regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and our ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, me included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. The South was attempting several things in this war, some of them understandable in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation and legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find anything to defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. Pat ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh Sherman ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.454 / Virus Database: 253 - Release Date: 2/10/03

I can't stand it anymore! Slavery is an indefensible evil. It has always been and will always be. When I began studying the War Between the States I had to unlearn many things I had been taught. I was under the impression that, leading up to the war, the greedy and evil people of the South hated negroes and kept them as slaves so they wouldn't have to do their own work. The enlightened and kind-hearted people of the North realized that slavery was wrong so they elected Lincoln as President because he had promised to free the slaves. Since they did not want to give up their slaves, the South seceded when Lincoln was elected and started the war by attacking Fort Sumter. Then Lincoln raised an army to free the slaves and bring the South back into the Union. When he won the war, the South had him assassinated. Actually, the Abolitionists of the day were a small minority of people and considered radical extremists by folks both North and South. The northern people resented slavery more for the economic advantage it gave the South rather than for morality issues. Lincoln is on record as saying that blacks were not equal to whites. He said that blacks and whites could never exist peacefully together. He wanted to deport them. When Lincoln put out his first call for 75,000 volunteers for the army, he went to great pains to explain that the purpose of raising an army was to bring the seceded states back into the union, NOT to free the slaves. Why? Because he would not have been able to raise an army otherwise. The purpose of the Emancipation Proclamation (almost two years after the war began) was to keep England out of the war. It did not free a single slave. It exempted Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky and Missouri. Mass desertions from the Federal Army were feared, but by this time the soldiers had been bloodied and wanted to keep fighting anyway. The vast majority of the soldiers that fought for the Confederacy did not own any slaves nor did they care too much one way or the other. They fought because their homelands were invaded. I could go on and on. I also have ancestors from both sides of the conflict. I honor them all. I have no axe to grind except for those who would rewrite history to fit their desires. When I see a Confederate Battle Flag, displayed in the proper context, I do not think to myself, "Oh, if we just still had slavery," as some would seem to imply. If others choose to feel that way about me, that is their problem. They are the ones who are wrong. Jared E. Billings Festus-Crystal City, Missouri (It is OK to say Missour-uh if you also say Mississipp-uh, Miam-uh and Cincinnatt-uh) ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 5:24 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #50 As gently as possible, and without attempting to start a fight, I am concerned about those who make such comments as "honoring our heritage", as regards the Civil War. I am all in favor of honoring our history and our ancestors (some of mine fought for the South). It seems to many of us, me included, that the Confederate flag should certainly be displayed in appropriate places, but that flying this flag sends the wrong message. The South was attempting several things in this war, some of them understandable in current context, but a major issue in this war was the continuation and legalization of slavery. I think very few of us today could find anything to defend about slavery, so why would anyone want to give the impression of valuing this part of the conflict. I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone. I am just trying to understand. Thank you. Pat ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "It's a disagreeable thing to be whipped." - Col. William Tecumseh Sherman ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237