It is true the stones issued by the federal government are pointed for a confederate and the union ones rounded. You can still order these stones through the Department of Veterans Affairs, free of charge except for having the stone set. You must proove the soldier's military service and fill out some paperwork. It takes a while of course to receive the stone and I believe you can choose marble or granite and also special inscriptions (i.e. if the soldier was a mason, the masonic symbol can be engraved on the stone). -----Original Message----- From: rose [mailto:hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:00 PM To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones This brings to mind an old story I have heard, but it is probably a myth. Supposedly, the Confederate tombstones were pointed and the Union were rounded. The idea being the point was to make it uncomfortable for anyone sitting on the Confederate tombstones. Has anyone else heard this story? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Davenport" <paulspic@yahoo.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > Hello: For what its worth dept: > Flags are usually put on headstones by Vetrans Groups > Decoration Day. They have records and the Union and > Confederate have web sites on the Internet. Units are > usually on the stones. > Start with area -- time--names and etc. Age or date > of birth not always good as the young fellows did not > always tell the truth about Their age. > I read where one boy's mother signed for Him to enter > as a drummer at 12yrs old. Drum and bugle used many > youth. > Area plays a good part--when the South was near they > did recruit work--like when Old Pap Price came through > Missouri on His raids-- North thousands joined. Many > went without arms to fight with. Many ran away from > home and changed their name spelling--some from not > knowing. > Spelling does not always work. I read where about 70 > percent could not read or write. > Here in Kansas City Battles --some over 100 thousand > men fought. Lots of smoke and bullets "like rain > falling". Kansas City had lots of the Missouri > battles in and about the area. Same with Quantrill > Raiders all about K C. There are Quantrill Raider > Stops with stories and names on the net. > Think about that--shooting at each other at day and > some trading news and tob and visiting together at > night. > > > --- readynow22@sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> I was wondering, did veterans receive, or have to >> apply for headstones for their graves if they served >> in the civil war? >> >> Is there a way to look at the headstone and see, or >> know if they fought for the union or confederacy? >> >> Supposedly, my great-great grandfather served and I >> was wondering if the stone on his grave is from the >> government.? >> >> I have been unable to find his name in any of the >> databases. Well, I did find his last name no first >> name with a group from Louisiana, suppose that could >> be him, even though he lived in MO. He would have >> been in a French speaking unit, so I suppose that >> would make it confederate. >> >> His name Theophilus (often misspelled) Toulouse. >> >> Would appreciate any help, thanks >> >> >> >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word >> UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address >> MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to >> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same >> utility address but change the -L- to a -D- >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million >> records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the >> world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

So, there is some truth to the story? One hears so many stories, and it is sometimes hard to separate truth from fiction. Thank you Kimberly! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynch, Kimberly" <klynch@valleyhealthlink.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:56 AM Subject: RE: [MO-CW] tombstones > It is true the stones issued by the federal government are pointed for a > confederate and the union ones rounded. You can still order these stones > through the Department of Veterans Affairs, free of charge except for > having the stone set. You must proove the soldier's military service and > fill out some paperwork. It takes a while of course to receive the stone > and I believe you can choose marble or granite and also special > inscriptions (i.e. if the soldier was a mason, the masonic symbol can be > engraved on the stone). > > -----Original Message----- > From: rose [mailto:hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:00 PM > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > This brings to mind an old story I have heard, but it is probably a myth. > Supposedly, the Confederate tombstones were pointed and the Union were > rounded. The idea being the point was to make it uncomfortable for anyone > sitting on the Confederate tombstones. Has anyone else heard this story? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Davenport" <paulspic@yahoo.com> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > > >> Hello: For what its worth dept: >> Flags are usually put on headstones by Vetrans Groups >> Decoration Day. They have records and the Union and >> Confederate have web sites on the Internet. Units are >> usually on the stones. >> Start with area -- time--names and etc. Age or date >> of birth not always good as the young fellows did not >> always tell the truth about Their age. >> I read where one boy's mother signed for Him to enter >> as a drummer at 12yrs old. Drum and bugle used many >> youth. >> Area plays a good part--when the South was near they >> did recruit work--like when Old Pap Price came through >> Missouri on His raids-- North thousands joined. Many >> went without arms to fight with. Many ran away from >> home and changed their name spelling--some from not >> knowing. >> Spelling does not always work. I read where about 70 >> percent could not read or write. >> Here in Kansas City Battles --some over 100 thousand >> men fought. Lots of smoke and bullets "like rain >> falling". Kansas City had lots of the Missouri >> battles in and about the area. Same with Quantrill >> Raiders all about K C. There are Quantrill Raider >> Stops with stories and names on the net. >> Think about that--shooting at each other at day and >> some trading news and tob and visiting together at >> night. >> >> >> --- readynow22@sbcglobal.net wrote: >> >>> I was wondering, did veterans receive, or have to >>> apply for headstones for their graves if they served >>> in the civil war? >>> >>> Is there a way to look at the headstone and see, or >>> know if they fought for the union or confederacy? >>> >>> Supposedly, my great-great grandfather served and I >>> was wondering if the stone on his grave is from the >>> government.? >>> >>> I have been unable to find his name in any of the >>> databases. Well, I did find his last name no first >>> name with a group from Louisiana, suppose that could >>> be him, even though he lived in MO. He would have >>> been in a French speaking unit, so I suppose that >>> would make it confederate. >>> >>> His name Theophilus (often misspelled) Toulouse. >>> >>> Would appreciate any help, thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word >>> UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address >>> MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to >>> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same >>> utility address but change the -L- to a -D- >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million >>> records added in the >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the >>> world. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Wow, I had suspected he was a confederate soldier. Thanks to all in the group who contributed to solving this mystery for me. Here is another question I have: A Winchester single shot rifle, Would that have been used during the civil war and by what side? ----- Original Message ----- From: rose <hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > So, there is some truth to the story? One hears so many stories, and it is > sometimes hard to separate truth from fiction. Thank you Kimberly! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynch, Kimberly" <klynch@valleyhealthlink.com> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:56 AM > Subject: RE: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > > It is true the stones issued by the federal government are pointed for a > > confederate and the union ones rounded. You can still order these stones > > through the Department of Veterans Affairs, free of charge except for > > having the stone set. You must proove the soldier's military service and > > fill out some paperwork. It takes a while of course to receive the stone > > and I believe you can choose marble or granite and also special > > inscriptions (i.e. if the soldier was a mason, the masonic symbol can be > > engraved on the stone). > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rose [mailto:hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:00 PM > > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > > > > This brings to mind an old story I have heard, but it is probably a myth. > > Supposedly, the Confederate tombstones were pointed and the Union were > > rounded. The idea being the point was to make it uncomfortable for anyone > > sitting on the Confederate tombstones. Has anyone else heard this story? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Davenport" <paulspic@yahoo.com> > > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > > > >> Hello: For what its worth dept: > >> Flags are usually put on headstones by Vetrans Groups > >> Decoration Day. They have records and the Union and > >> Confederate have web sites on the Internet. Units are > >> usually on the stones. > >> Start with area -- time--names and etc. Age or date > >> of birth not always good as the young fellows did not > >> always tell the truth about Their age. > >> I read where one boy's mother signed for Him to enter > >> as a drummer at 12yrs old. Drum and bugle used many > >> youth. > >> Area plays a good part--when the South was near they > >> did recruit work--like when Old Pap Price came through > >> Missouri on His raids-- North thousands joined. Many > >> went without arms to fight with. Many ran away from > >> home and changed their name spelling--some from not > >> knowing. > >> Spelling does not always work. I read where about 70 > >> percent could not read or write. > >> Here in Kansas City Battles --some over 100 thousand > >> men fought. Lots of smoke and bullets "like rain > >> falling". Kansas City had lots of the Missouri > >> battles in and about the area. Same with Quantrill > >> Raiders all about K C. There are Quantrill Raider > >> Stops with stories and names on the net. > >> Think about that--shooting at each other at day and > >> some trading news and tob and visiting together at > >> night. > >> > >> > >> --- readynow22@sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> > >>> I was wondering, did veterans receive, or have to > >>> apply for headstones for their graves if they served > >>> in the civil war? > >>> > >>> Is there a way to look at the headstone and see, or > >>> know if they fought for the union or confederacy? > >>> > >>> Supposedly, my great-great grandfather served and I > >>> was wondering if the stone on his grave is from the > >>> government.? > >>> > >>> I have been unable to find his name in any of the > >>> databases. Well, I did find his last name no first > >>> name with a group from Louisiana, suppose that could > >>> be him, even though he lived in MO. He would have > >>> been in a French speaking unit, so I suppose that > >>> would make it confederate. > >>> > >>> His name Theophilus (often misspelled) Toulouse. > >>> > >>> Would appreciate any help, thanks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word > >>> UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address > >>> MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > >>> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same > >>> utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > >>> > >>> ============================== > >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > >>> records added in the > >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > >>> world. Learn more: > >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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The Winchester: What caliber is it? Is it a black powder or cartridge--cal should be stamped. Muzzle loader loads from the end of barrell and cart type opens at back for shell insert. They had a lot single shot alright (muzzle loader and ram rod)usually long. Muzzle loader had to be loaded fron the barrel front end. With a Ramrod slot below barrell. Guns were captured and used by both sides. Used the best one. I read where people soon after battles rummaged about for relics and guns and etc. Later Some bullet type used. Some outfits bought their own weapon and some towns bought for their outfits and were the latest and best. Repeater there were some used. Minnie Ball some earlier 69 cal --56 Cal both (big)-- Bullet & 2 buckshot and few 22 cal -- shotgun and buckshot was also used. Bullets and powder was wrapped in paper and had to be bit and torn. So "no teeth no service". I read where some forgot to pull the ram-rod out and shot the ramrod too. Some scared and just kept loading and not shooting. Lots of smoke in battle made it hard to see. I found a lot of minnie balls in one place in KC and there was a screw hole in most. (I metal detect) I later read where the night before a battle they had a hard rain and had to pull the bullets cause their powder got wet. They even made their own bullets at times and always left scrap lead. They Also did lot of carving and made things from bullets. Nice to visit--watching for more in the know to answer Your asking. Winchester good pricey weapon to have not sure they were in the CW. Meanwhile My version of Your weapon question to get You by. Paul --- readynow22@sbcglobal.net wrote: > Wow, I had suspected he was a confederate soldier. > Thanks to all in the > group who contributed to solving this mystery for > me. > > Here is another question I have: A Winchester > single shot rifle, Would that > have been used during the civil war and by what > side? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rose <hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > > So, there is some truth to the story? One hears > so many stories, and it > is > > sometimes hard to separate truth from fiction. > Thank you Kimberly! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lynch, Kimberly" > <klynch@valleyhealthlink.com> > > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:56 AM > > Subject: RE: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > > > > > It is true the stones issued by the federal > government are pointed for a > > > confederate and the union ones rounded. You can > still order these > stones > > > through the Department of Veterans Affairs, free > of charge except for > > > having the stone set. You must proove the > soldier's military service > and > > > fill out some paperwork. It takes a while of > course to receive the > stone > > > and I believe you can choose marble or granite > and also special > > > inscriptions (i.e. if the soldier was a mason, > the masonic symbol can be > > > engraved on the stone). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rose > [mailto:hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:00 PM > > > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > > > > > > > This brings to mind an old story I have heard, > but it is probably a > myth. > > > Supposedly, the Confederate tombstones were > pointed and the Union were > > > rounded. The idea being the point was to make > it uncomfortable for > anyone > > > sitting on the Confederate tombstones. Has > anyone else heard this > story? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Davenport" <paulspic@yahoo.com> > > > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] tombstones > > > > > > > > >> Hello: For what its worth dept: > > >> Flags are usually put on headstones by Vetrans > Groups > > >> Decoration Day. They have records and the > Union and > > >> Confederate have web sites on the Internet. > Units are > > >> usually on the stones. > > >> Start with area -- time--names and etc. Age or > date > > >> of birth not always good as the young fellows > did not > > >> always tell the truth about Their age. > > >> I read where one boy's mother signed for Him to > enter > > >> as a drummer at 12yrs old. Drum and bugle used > many > > >> youth. > > >> Area plays a good part--when the South was near > they > > >> did recruit work--like when Old Pap Price came > through > > >> Missouri on His raids-- North thousands joined. > Many > > >> went without arms to fight with. Many ran away > from > > >> home and changed their name spelling--some from > not > > >> knowing. > > >> Spelling does not always work. I read where > about 70 > > >> percent could not read or write. > > >> Here in Kansas City Battles --some over 100 > thousand > > >> men fought. Lots of smoke and bullets "like > rain > > >> falling". Kansas City had lots of the > Missouri > > >> battles in and about the area. Same with > Quantrill > > >> Raiders all about K C. There are Quantrill > Raider > > >> Stops with stories and names on the net. > > >> Think about that--shooting at each other at day > and > > >> some trading news and tob and visiting together > at > > >> night. > > >> > > >> > > >> --- readynow22@sbcglobal.net wrote: > > >> > > >>> I was wondering, did veterans receive, or have > to > > >>> apply for headstones for their graves if they > served > > >>> in the civil war? > > >>> > > >>> Is there a way to look at the headstone and > see, or > > >>> know if they fought for the union or > confederacy? > > >>> > > >>> Supposedly, my great-great grandfather served > and I > > >>> was wondering if the stone on his grave is > from the > > >>> government.? > > >>> > > >>> I have been unable to find his name in any of > the > > >>> databases. Well, I did find his last name no > first > > >>> name with a group from Louisiana, suppose that > could > > >>> be him, even though he lived in MO. He would > have > > >>> been in a French speaking unit, so I suppose > that > > >>> would make it confederate. > > >>> > > >>> His name Theophilus (often misspelled) > Toulouse. > > >>> > > >>> Would appreciate any help, thanks > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > > >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the > word > > >>> UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address > > >>> MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are > trying to > > >>> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same > > >>> utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > > >>> > > >>> ============================== > > >>> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 > million > > >>> records added in the > > >>> last 12 months. Largest online collection in > the > > >>> world. Learn more: > > >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > > >> Do You Yahoo!? > > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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