----- Original Message ----- From: "Trueman Farris" <jfarris@execpc.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Re: [MO-CW] Slavery and Mr. Lincoln's despotism > Thank you for adding a note of reality to what has been otherwise a waste of > time involving chatter by folks who seem not to know what they are talking > about. In a word, y'all, shut up and listen. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <joannecole@charter.net> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [MO-CW] Slavery and Mr. Lincoln's despotism > > > >I would like to add just one tidbit to this discussion regarding the > >african american and the civil war. All of my ancestors fought for the > >union, yet I have lived in the south for 30 years, and have a great > >affection for this area. > > I greatly object to my friends and family who do not live in the south > > referring to the racism of the south. I live in a small community where > > both races are living near one another, and amiably. My friends and family > > do not live near or have occasion to associate with the black community. > > > > Still contending that economically there has to be a better future for the > > black community, and that is through education. My family [white] are > > extremely involved in trying to improve the situation with the > > impoverished and those blacks who do not have opportunities. > > Having said that, in regards to the Civil War, I have long noted that the > > photographs of the union army leadership often have a black man or boy > > nearby to do their 'errands'...so to laud the north as the beneficent > > group regarding the black community 100 years ago, or even today, would > > indeed be a false interpretation of reality. > > thank you for listening. > > joanne > > > > > >> From: "Bill Morgan" <wmorgan1@kc.rr.com> > >> Date: 2005/11/02 Wed PM 01:46:22 EST > >> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Slavery and Mr. Lincoln's despotism > >> > >> With such a complete grasp of history, surely you know that slavery > >> existed > >> in the North well after the Confederacy was forced to capitulate. Mr. > >> Lincoln's famed "Emancipation Proclamation" specifically limited freeing > >> of > >> slaves to those states "in rebellion" against the United States. As the > >> Confederate states had already declared their independence he was merely > >> making another affront to the sovereignty of a people who had voted for > >> independence from federal despotism. Mr. Lincoln also suspended the right > >> of > >> habeas corpus until overruled by the Supreme Court. > >> > >> His famed proclamation specifically excluded the states of Maryland, > >> Tennessee and Delaware and slavery was not officially ended in Kentucky, > >> Missouri and Delaware until ratification of the 13th Amendment in > >> December, > >> 1865. Delaware was, in fact, the last state to end slavery. > >> > >> Certainly you are also aware that much of the slave traffic came from the > >> North, with a booming slave market in Baltimore, for example. Many Yankee > >> brokers bought human chattel in the West Indies and brought them into > >> northern ports for sale. > >> > >> The most unique thing about Missouri and Kansas was that the so-called > >> "civil war" started here about five years before the assault on Fort > >> Sumter. > >> Federally instigated bandits and fanatics such as Jim Lane, Jim > >> Montgomery > >> and John Brown organized gangs of armed ruffians to launch raids in > >> Missouri, ostensibly to combat slavery. The "Jayhawkers" and "border > >> ruffians," however, were seldom interested in whether or not a targeted > >> family owned slaves. If they had livestock or other valuables they were > >> fair > >> game no matter how they stood on the issue of slavery. > >> > >> The War of Northern Aggression, like most wars throughout history, was > >> over > >> money and wealth. The Yankees wanted cheap cotton for their textile mills > >> and they wanted to recover what they paid for that cotton by taxing > >> southern > >> cotton producers unmercifully. The powerful business interests of the > >> Northeast controlled the national government in the city of Washington > >> and > >> used it to hold the South in firm control and near-poverty. Those same > >> businessmen abused their own workers and held them in what amounted to > >> economic slavery. They had no interest in eliminating slavery, just a > >> burning desire to insure that they reaped as much as possible of the > >> profits > >> of that "unholy institution." > >> > >> Chattel slavery was deplorable but it continues today in many parts of > >> the > >> world. > >> > >> This country was built first upon the backs of indentured servants > >> (economic > >> slaves) from Europe and then on the labors of chattel slaves, first from > >> the > >> people indigenous to the West Indies and subsequently the Africans. > >> "Human > >> bondage" built the great industrial strength of the northeast United > >> States > >> just as surely as it did the plantation life of the South. > >> > >> Bill, in KC > >> =-=-=-=-= > >> > >> > If by resources you mean the ability to traffic in human bondage-then > >> > you > >> > are correct-and actually you are incorrect regarding Missouri's > >> > uniqueness-the only state not to raise White Union troops was South > >> > Carolina-where neo-confederates still fight the usage of the term civil > >> > war-Slavery allowed a lazy white slave owning population to play upon > >> > the > >> > racial fears of the middle to lower classes-who had nothing to gain > >> > with > >> > slavery-slavery of course kept wages down for the middle and poor > >> > whites-while allowing the wealthy slave owners to live a life of fancy > >> > laziness. Also let us keep in mind the CSA instituted our first > >> > draft-however, exempting Slave owners who owned 20 slaves or more (I > >> > think > >> > this # is accurate)-Rich man's war-poor man's fight. > >> > > >> > Of course the issue of State's Rights was not important to Southerners > >> > who > >> > clamored for, and had passed, the Fugitive Slave Law which allowed > >> > widespread violations of non Slave States Rights-State's Rights folks > >> > tend > >> > to forget this little issue-I will not even go into the violent > >> > resistance > >> > to and repression of free speech and free press for anti-slavery > >> > AMERICANS > >> > in the south-suffice to say that the Slave Owning elite were able to > >> > trample on the rights of the working class, the anti-slavery, and Black > >> > Americans. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: SEASNAPPIER@aol.com [mailto:SEASNAPPIER@aol.com] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:54 AM > >> > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #134 > >> > > >> > > >> > Remembering that the North benefited the most from it all. They had the > >> > textile factories. It appears the North was trying to control the South > >> > and it's > >> > resources. I believe much of the history to be correct in regards to > >> > most > >> > the > >> > south, but when it came to MIssouri, it was an entirely different > >> > issue. > >> > State's Rights...is always what is at issue and as typical, it appears > >> > to > >> > be a > >> > repeating trend. Slavery of any kind is wrong and was wrong so please > >> > don't > >> > misunderstand me. I am not trying to justify slavery. I am trying to > >> > introduce > >> > the real reasons for the SO CALLED CIVIL WAR, from one Missourian's > >> > point > >> > of > >> > view. My family lost all it had from Order #11 and the Burn Orders. > >> > They > >> > were > >> > just simple God Believing and Hard Working Folks as many were. > >> > Check Scholl/Ross/Boone/Muir/Hinde/Key/Wallace/Parr/James/Younger, > >> > ect...... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > >> > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > >> > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > >> > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will > >> > be > >> > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > >> > Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > >> > marriage announcements and more. 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