Don, My use of those terms was simply in response to the phrase "constitutes a full-blown civil war". What I was trying to express is that the level of violence in Kansas prior to 1859 was fairly small, compared to the violence between 1861 and 1865. A lot of folks object to the name "Civil War", and I was trying to avoid that argument. I do think, however, that the Ozark Civil War was a civil war in every sense of the phrase. I trust that you know what the cis-Mississippi War was. Arleigh Don Knight <donaldknight1@comcast.net> wrote: I am confused with the following terms: "full-war"; "full scale civil war"; "bona fide civil war." I am not certain what is being stated. I am not refuting what is being said, but I would like some clarification. Thanks Don Knight ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arleigh Birchler" To: Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution > jcl, > > I agree that the Kansas/Missouri War did not reach the level of a full-war > until 1861. Prior to that it was civil unrest. It would not be a "civil > war" since it was between two different governments, and not within one > state. The Ozark Civil War was in fact, a full scale "civil war". It was > fought in Missouri, Arkansas, and part of the Indian Nations. In each > place there were strong groups with opposing political views. This was a > bona fide "civil war". > > The "cis-Mississippi War" is usually referred to as "The US Civil War". > There are endless alternative names for the War, and continual fighting > about whether it qualifies as a "civil war". There were, however, local > civil wars in the various states in which it was fought. > > Arleigh > > jcl*** wrote: > Arleigh: > > I'm the one who said "war is when force replaces law and reason." > > Don't know if what you call "The Kansas/Missouri War, the Ozark Civil War, > and that war in the Cis-Mississippi" constitutes a full-blown civil war, > mainly because the "opposition" wasn't organized well enough to overthrow > the whole federal govt. Might qualify as civil unrest or local > insurrections, like Shays Rebellion or the Whiskey Rebellion. > > * * * Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

Actually, I am not familiar with the phrase cis-Mississippi War. Don Knight ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arleigh Birchler" <abirchler16@yahoo.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution > Don, > > My use of those terms was simply in response to the phrase "constitutes a > full-blown civil war". What I was trying to express is that the level of > violence in Kansas prior to 1859 was fairly small, compared to the > violence between 1861 and 1865. A lot of folks object to the name "Civil > War", and I was trying to avoid that argument. I do think, however, that > the Ozark Civil War was a civil war in every sense of the phrase. I trust > that you know what the cis-Mississippi War was. > > Arleigh > > Don Knight <donaldknight1@comcast.net> wrote: > I am confused with the following terms: "full-war"; "full scale civil > war"; > "bona fide civil war." I am not certain what is being stated. I am not > refuting what is being said, but I would like some clarification. > Thanks > Don Knight > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arleigh Birchler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:03 AM > Subject: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution > > >> jcl, >> >> I agree that the Kansas/Missouri War did not reach the level of a >> full-war >> until 1861. Prior to that it was civil unrest. It would not be a "civil >> war" since it was between two different governments, and not within one >> state. The Ozark Civil War was in fact, a full scale "civil war". It was >> fought in Missouri, Arkansas, and part of the Indian Nations. In each >> place there were strong groups with opposing political views. This was a >> bona fide "civil war". >> >> The "cis-Mississippi War" is usually referred to as "The US Civil War". >> There are endless alternative names for the War, and continual fighting >> about whether it qualifies as a "civil war". There were, however, local >> civil wars in the various states in which it was fought. >> >> Arleigh >> >> jcl*** wrote: >> Arleigh: >> >> I'm the one who said "war is when force replaces law and reason." >> >> Don't know if what you call "The Kansas/Missouri War, the Ozark Civil >> War, >> and that war in the Cis-Mississippi" constitutes a full-blown civil war, >> mainly because the "opposition" wasn't organized well enough to overthrow >> the whole federal govt. Might qualify as civil unrest or local >> insurrections, like Shays Rebellion or the Whiskey Rebellion. >> >> * * * > > > > Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN > c/o Helaina Hinson Burton > 69 Gray Ghost Lane > Benson NC 27504 > (919) 934-6323 > > (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) > > > Musick/Porter Fan Club > Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Don, Folks living east of the Mississippi called the War west of the river the "trans-Mississippi War". Folks in Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana returned the compliment by calling the part East of the Mississippi the "cis-Mississippi War". That is not a literally correct use of the terms "cis" and "trans", but I am sure it was meant ironically. Arleigh Don Knight <donaldknight1@comcast.net> wrote: Actually, I am not familiar with the phrase cis-Mississippi War. Don Knight Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love