Although the Missourians didn't have a right to enter Kansas to vote, but the people of Massachuesetts sure didn't have the right. Many from the eastern states moved there in order to vote. I would think that the Missourians had more of a right than the easterners! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Knight" <donaldknight1@comcast.net> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Slavery and Mr. Lincoln's despotism > That was a good question, "By what right I ask you did border ruffians have > to enter Kansas vote in a bogus election?" > > As I understand it, the requirements for voting in Kansas allowed for the > "migration" from Missouri to Kansas to engage in voting. In hindsight, it > was a terrible oversight to have allowed this. The fact that some took > advantage of this loophole seems to be the American way. You could call it > a technicality that should not have been allowed, but regardless, it was. > Some would say that they were not border ruffians (a term used initially and > exclusively by Kansans), but rather citizens exercising their constitutional > rights. Which, by the way, regardless of how deplorable one might describe > slavery, it was protected by our constitution. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brady Umfleet (Terr. Newsstand Coord.)" > <BUMFLEET@bordersgroupinc.com> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:24 PM > Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Slavery and Mr. Lincoln's despotism > > > > Hello, > > > > I am well aware of our history and not some the revisionist bunk below-War > > of Northern Aggression surely you jest-the South ran rough shot over the > > north-until immigration began to turn the tide and the numbers tilted to > > the north-once the south knew they could no longer bully the north they > > decided to cut and run. I find it funny that the North kept the South > > down-when in actuality the south up until the time of the Civil War more > > often than not had the White House, The Congress, and more importantly the > > Supreme Court- > > > > Actually, you are welcome to challenge my grasp-but you better come loaded > > for bear-how interesting that you sit in judgment of a wonderful political > > decision by Lincoln to only emancipate certain slaves. > > > > Federal Despotism-I find this to be a hoot-perhaps you should look into > > the despotism of those in the south who not only railroaded many of their > > people on the issue of Secession-then to further spit in the face of the > > rights of the people decided that counties in their states who wanted no > > part of this could not in turn leave the state-ironic. > > > > The last state to end Slavery was Texas-they forgot to tell the slaves > > they were free-the day of freedom in Texas is still celebrated as > > Juneteenth. > > > > By what right I ask you did border ruffians have to enter Kansas vote in a > > bogus election-how do they stand for the rights of the people against > > tyranny? the short answer is they don't. The Ruffians were the instigators > > of the violence-once the Free Staters saw that they were to be governed by > > an illegal government elected by the Ruffians-they indeed began to fight > > back-something the Southern were not familiar with-some would call it > > resistance. > > > > You are correct in that Jayhawkers used many excuses to pillage farms-etc. > > But you are blinded by your revisionism to see that both sides were > > equally guilty. > > > > I disagree with your economic analysis-first, Slavery depresses wages-no > > need to pay white folks a good wage when you can work slaves for free-or > > nearly free-since one does have to feed and cloth them. > > > > Let us keep in mind the planter elite were not interested in progress-they > > wanted to emulate the wealthy land owners of England-you should ask > > yourself why the southerners didn't take it upon themselves to develop > > their industry, railroads, etc.? Oh, mean northerners made life tough on > > the cotton plantation owners-I guess this would excuse them from > > diversifying-investing, etc. > > > > I will agree that there was little interest in many northerners to > > eliminate slavery-however, the Slave Owning elite drove them to this > > position by the attempt of Southerners to not only expand slavery west and > > south but to dictate to northerners the terms by which they would agree to > > stay in the union. > > > > One last note-the rebels got off easy-no mass executions-no mass > > confiscation of rebel property, and no mass expulsion of rebels. Had > > northerners been as the revisionists and the neo-confederates make them > > out to be then were was the retribution? > > > > Face up rebels-you all got hood winked by the wealthy-and paid the > > price-god forbid you all should own up to it. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Morgan [mailto:wmorgan1@kc.rr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:46 AM > > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Slavery and Mr. Lincoln's despotism > > > > > > With such a complete grasp of history, surely you know that slavery > > existed > > in the North well after the Confederacy was forced to capitulate. Mr. > > Lincoln's famed "Emancipation Proclamation" specifically limited freeing > > of > > slaves to those states "in rebellion" against the United States. As the > > Confederate states had already declared their independence he was merely > > making another affront to the sovereignty of a people who had voted for > > independence from federal despotism. Mr. Lincoln also suspended the right > > of > > habeas corpus until overruled by the Supreme Court. > > > > His famed proclamation specifically excluded the states of Maryland, > > Tennessee and Delaware and slavery was not officially ended in Kentucky, > > Missouri and Delaware until ratification of the 13th Amendment in > > December, > > 1865. Delaware was, in fact, the last state to end slavery. > > > > Certainly you are also aware that much of the slave traffic came from the > > North, with a booming slave market in Baltimore, for example. Many Yankee > > brokers bought human chattel in the West Indies and brought them into > > northern ports for sale. > > > > The most unique thing about Missouri and Kansas was that the so-called > > "civil war" started here about five years before the assault on Fort > > Sumter. > > Federally instigated bandits and fanatics such as Jim Lane, Jim Montgomery > > and John Brown organized gangs of armed ruffians to launch raids in > > Missouri, ostensibly to combat slavery. The "Jayhawkers" and "border > > ruffians," however, were seldom interested in whether or not a targeted > > family owned slaves. If they had livestock or other valuables they were > > fair > > game no matter how they stood on the issue of slavery. > > > > The War of Northern Aggression, like most wars throughout history, was > > over > > money and wealth. The Yankees wanted cheap cotton for their textile mills > > and they wanted to recover what they paid for that cotton by taxing > > southern > > cotton producers unmercifully. The powerful business interests of the > > Northeast controlled the national government in the city of Washington and > > used it to hold the South in firm control and near-poverty. Those same > > businessmen abused their own workers and held them in what amounted to > > economic slavery. They had no interest in eliminating slavery, just a > > burning desire to insure that they reaped as much as possible of the > > profits > > of that "unholy institution." > > > > Chattel slavery was deplorable but it continues today in many parts of the > > world. > > > > This country was built first upon the backs of indentured servants > > (economic > > slaves) from Europe and then on the labors of chattel slaves, first from > > the > > people indigenous to the West Indies and subsequently the Africans. "Human > > bondage" built the great industrial strength of the northeast United > > States > > just as surely as it did the plantation life of the South. > > > > Bill, in KC > > =-=-=-=-= > > > >> If by resources you mean the ability to traffic in human bondage-then you > >> are correct-and actually you are incorrect regarding Missouri's > >> uniqueness-the only state not to raise White Union troops was South > >> Carolina-where neo-confederates still fight the usage of the term civil > >> war-Slavery allowed a lazy white slave owning population to play upon the > >> racial fears of the middle to lower classes-who had nothing to gain with > >> slavery-slavery of course kept wages down for the middle and poor > >> whites-while allowing the wealthy slave owners to live a life of fancy > >> laziness. Also let us keep in mind the CSA instituted our first > >> draft-however, exempting Slave owners who owned 20 slaves or more (I > >> think > >> this # is accurate)-Rich man's war-poor man's fight. > >> > >> Of course the issue of State's Rights was not important to Southerners > >> who > >> clamored for, and had passed, the Fugitive Slave Law which allowed > >> widespread violations of non Slave States Rights-State's Rights folks > >> tend > >> to forget this little issue-I will not even go into the violent > >> resistance > >> to and repression of free speech and free press for anti-slavery > >> AMERICANS > >> in the south-suffice to say that the Slave Owning elite were able to > >> trample on the rights of the working class, the anti-slavery, and Black > >> Americans. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: SEASNAPPIER@aol.com [mailto:SEASNAPPIER@aol.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:54 AM > >> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #134 > >> > >> > >> Remembering that the North benefited the most from it all. They had the > >> textile factories. It appears the North was trying to control the South > >> and it's > >> resources. I believe much of the history to be correct in regards to most > >> the > >> south, but when it came to MIssouri, it was an entirely different issue. > >> State's Rights...is always what is at issue and as typical, it appears > >> to > >> be a > >> repeating trend. Slavery of any kind is wrong and was wrong so please > >> don't > >> misunderstand me. I am not trying to justify slavery. I am trying to > >> introduce > >> the real reasons for the SO CALLED CIVIL WAR, from one Missourian's > >> point > >> of > >> view. My family lost all it had from Order #11 and the Burn Orders. 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