What is UDC? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arleigh Birchler" <abirchler16@yahoo.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D ...DAR Information > Lanita, > > The connection I was suggesting is the other way. The folks who formed > the UDC were probably mostly already members of the DAR. > > Arleigh > > Lanita Sconce Smith <ozarkn@grm.net> wrote: > I am a member of the DAR, and I can assure you that they have no > connection to the UDC. DAR looks at the connection to a Revolutionary > War Patriot or supporter, and have no affiliation to any auxiliary of > the Civil War daughters. > > Lanita > > > > Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN > 1718 Fisher St #2 > Madison WI 53713 > 608-251-4437 > > (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) > > > Brams Addition Life&Choice > Musick/Porter Fan Club > Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Lanita, Rhonda has corrected me. If you missed it, what I mean is that folks who are eligible to join the UDC would most likely also be eligible for the DAR, and would probably be likely to join both groups. Arleigh Lanita Sconce Smith <ozarkn@grm.net> wrote: Arleigh, Sorry, but how do you figure that? Lanita ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

I also stand (or sit) corrected. I am surprised to discover that the DAR was founded that late. I guess I should have said that most of those in the UDC might also be members of the DAR, since they are both hereditary groups, and folks eligible for the UDC, and likely to join, would probably also be eligible for the DAR, and equally likely to join that group. Rhonda Houston <rfhouston@mindspring.com> wrote: http://www.hqudc.org/ I stand corrected; sorry for all the discussion I've created...I am the farthest one for being perfect...Try going to where it says "Divisons and Chapters Where No Divisions" and there I think you may find where you might go to seek assistance.... Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

http://www.hqudc.org/ I stand corrected; sorry for all the discussion I've created...I am the farthest one for being perfect...Try going to where it says "Divisons and Chapters Where No Divisions" and there I think you may find where you might go to seek assistance.... Took this from the website: It is the oldest patriotic organization in our country because of its connection with two statewide organizations that came into existence 'as early as 1890' -- the Daughters of the Confederacy (DOC) in Missouri and the Ladies' Auxiliary of the Confederate Soldiers Home in Tennessee. And this came from the DAR website: http://www.dar.org/natsociety/whoweare.cfm The National Society Daughters of the American Revolution was founded on October 11, 1890 So, I'm not going to touch this distinction with a discussion because unless we can get down to the month and day in 1890 in which those ladies in Missouri and Tennesee, actually conceived and 'documented' the day the UDC was created, we really don't know which organization existed before the other...I think the important thing is that both were created and exist today. Hope this top website helps and sorry about giving bad information. Rhonda Warmack Houston (rfhouston@mindspring.com) -----Original Message----- From: EllieSS@aol.com [mailto:EllieSS@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:18 PM To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: MO-CW-D ...DAR Information In a message dated 9/9/2005 7:00:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Y'all....think we're confusing DAR (Daughters of the American Revoluton) with UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy). DAR has no information on those who served in the War Between the States. UDC Here's the National UDC website; I'm sure the ladies there would be happy to help you! Yes, I just re-read some of the emails.. The DAR and UDC aren't connected and do not share information... However if anyone is interested in the DAR, please contact me. Ellie Stites Swanger, CO ______________________________

Arleigh, Sorry, but how do you figure that? Lanita

Lanita, The connection I was suggesting is the other way. The folks who formed the UDC were probably mostly already members of the DAR. Arleigh Lanita Sconce Smith <ozarkn@grm.net> wrote: I am a member of the DAR, and I can assure you that they have no connection to the UDC. DAR looks at the connection to a Revolutionary War Patriot or supporter, and have no affiliation to any auxiliary of the Civil War daughters. Lanita Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

I am a member of the DAR, and I can assure you that they have no connection to the UDC. DAR looks at the connection to a Revolutionary War Patriot or supporter, and have no affiliation to any auxiliary of the Civil War daughters. Lanita

Ellie, I suspect that a lot of the members of the UDC are also members of the DAR. It would not surprise me if someone told me that the UDC was formed by Southern chapters of the DAR. I unfortunatately do not belong to either. I belong to the SAR, SCV, and SUV. (But the other groups I belong to include NOW, and several related organizations ...) Arleigh EllieSS@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/9/2005 7:00:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Y'all....think we're confusing DAR (Daughters of the American Revoluton) with UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy). DAR has no information on those who served in the War Between the States. UDC Here's the National UDC website; I'm sure the ladies there would be happy to help you! Yes, I just re-read some of the emails.. The DAR and UDC aren't connected and do not share information... However if anyone is interested in the DAR, please contact me. Ellie Stites Swanger, CO Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

In a message dated 9/9/2005 7:00:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Y'all....think we're confusing DAR (Daughters of the American Revoluton) with UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy). DAR has no information on those who served in the War Between the States. UDC Here's the National UDC website; I'm sure the ladies there would be happy to help you! Yes, I just re-read some of the emails.. The DAR and UDC aren't connected and do not share information... However if anyone is interested in the DAR, please contact me. Ellie Stites Swanger, CO

Message dated 9/9/2005 7:00:32 P.M. MDT, MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:29:23 -0500 From: "Rhonda Houston" <rfhouston@mindspring.com> To: _MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com) Subject: RE: Columbia, Missouri DARs This is the name of DAR 'head' who answers questions and knows where to go to get answers in regards to the DAR. He participated heavily on the American Revolutionary Rootsweb List I have been on and he is awesome. Try asking him for direction as to what area in Missouri handles DAR questions for Missouri counties that don't have a DAR body to help those who are asking for information. I noticed also that that 2/3 of the DAR websites on the url I sent below don't work or aren't being used today...so here's a wonderful resource. This man's knowledge is GREAT! Grundset, Eric [egrundset@dar.org] I am happy to help anyone wanting the names of chapters in any state. I am a DAR member, former ONLINE lookup coordinator and past regent.. Not all counties have chapters, but I do know there is one in Columbia... maybe two.. However not all chapters have email contacts. Then the queries go to the state email site and they are forwarded in that matter. Just let me know.. Ellie Stites Swanger, CO (formerly a Missourian) Descendant of 3 Missouri CW soldiers: John T. Stites, killed at Vicksburg William W. Sloan, drew the pension until his death in 1920 Thomas J. Lemons, came home ill and died a couple of years later.

Thre Paper I have says :  Information at the Missouri State Historical Society in Columbia, Missouri. Listed in the United Daughters of the Confederacy files. I am the President of the United  Daughters of the Confederacy Chapter in Oregon.. We are having a service for two Pvt's from Lone Pine, Jackson County, Missouri. I looked on the Missouri Archives page and it states records are at the Missouri State Historical Society in Columbia, Missouri.  Thanks,  Shirley

Yes Nancy is right. The UDC website has an online form you can print and fill out with the information on your ancestor. Unfortunately they are not set up to take online submissions so you must snail-mail it to the Richmond HQ (address info is on the website) with appropriate fees. They will do a search on your ancestor and send you copies of his service card. It takes a long time, because the researchers are volunteers, anywhere from 4 to 12 weeks sometimes. Kimberly Lynch Turner Asbhy #184 Chapter, United Daughters of the Confederacy Winchester, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: NbBowen@aol.com [mailto:NbBowen@aol.com] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 10:31 AM To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] RE: Columbia, Missouri Y'all....think we're confusing DAR (Daughters of the American Revoluton) with UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy). DAR has no information on those who served in the War Between the States. UDC Here's the National UDC website; I'm sure the ladies there would be happy to help you! Thanks, Nancy Bowen Former Regent Elijah Clarke Chapter, NSDAR ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Did you realize there are DAR chapters that help in Mexico and Fulton, Missouri. They help the ladies file papers and help them know where to go for information? I know you can write or email the genealogy societies and they will help you as well. A volunteer Cricket

Did you realize there is a DAR group in Mexico, Missouri and Fulton, Missouri. They can help you. Just a volunteer at the genealogy society.

Y'all....think we're confusing DAR (Daughters of the American Revoluton) with UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy). DAR has no information on those who served in the War Between the States. UDC Here's the National UDC website; I'm sure the ladies there would be happy to help you! Thanks, Nancy Bowen Former Regent Elijah Clarke Chapter, NSDAR

Here's another one more up-t-date Arleigh, I'm sure you've never heard of: Race & Slave Petition Project 1776-1867 The scope of the compiled research from original courthouse records covers slave records from 1776-1867. This massive effort earned Nicole Mazgaj, Loren Schweninger, and Marguerite Howell a $200,000 grant to digitally archive their findings. "Genealogists may know their family history and that they were enslaved by so and so, and their ancestors lived on this plantation, but they may not know that one of their relatives was a cook or a carpenter or suffered a disease. These documents tell a lot of personal detail," Howell said. "They fill in the gaps a little bit and give a face to the individuals." [...] "Schweninger's Race and Slavery Petitions Project 1776-1867 is a compilation of 17,487 legislative and court documents from 200 county courthouses in the 15 former slaveholding states and the District of Columbia." If you have Black ancestry in the US, you'll need to watch the progress of this project. The full article is titled "Project reveals details of slave life" by Tina Firesheets Staff Writer for the News-Record of Greensboro, North Carolina: http://www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050828/NEWSREC010101/508280333 -----Original Message----- From: Rhonda Houston [mailto:rfhouston@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:01 AM To: 'Arleigh Birchler'; 'MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: Slave Nation Another two outstanding ones for this subject is called": 'Slavery and The Law' by Paul Finkleman Which examins the law at that time by fifteen lawyers of our time ISBN# 0-45612-36-2 African Americans in the Early Republic 1789 - 1831 By Donald R. Wright ISBN# 0-88295-897-6 -----Original Message----- From: Arleigh Birchler [mailto:abirchler16@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:41 PM To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Slave Nation Gang, Hope this is not too far off topic. But first, I hope everyone is okay after Katrina. Anyone been effected, and able to get back on-line to let us know how your are? Today I walked about twenty miles, and on the way I stopped at A Room of Ones Own, here in Madison, for a cup of tea. While browsing through the books I found: "Slave Nation; How Slavery United the Colonies & Sparked the American Revolution." (Please note that my prejudice is to call it the "United States Revolution.") The book is by Blumrosen & Blumrosen, and I am really enjoying it. Like most books, it has its own topic of focus, and the authors might seem to be overemphasizing their point. In this case, the basic thesis is that the reason we had a war against Britain around 1776 was because the British government wanted to abolish slavery. I have always thought that this was a very important reason, along with the fact that the British were trying to keep the Colonists from taking the lands away from Native Americans. Both of these issues are listed in the grievances in the Declaration of Independence, and I have seen the themes elsewhere. Blumrosen & Blumrosen play down the importance of things like the "Boston Massacre" (which was not), the Stamp Tax, or the tax on tea. I think the book probably only goes up to about 1783, so I don't know if there is much about the events leading up to the War Between the States. For some other books with similar themes, one might read: Berlin, Ira; "Many Thousands Gone: The first two centuries of slavery in North America" Carter, Jimmy: "The Hornet’s Nest; A novel of the Revolutionary War" Kennedy, R; "Mr Jefferson’s Lost Cause: Land, Farmers, Slavery, and the Louisiana Purchase" Morgan, Edmund Sears; "American Slavery American Freedom: The ordeal of Colonial Virginia" Oats, Stephen B; "The Approaching Fury: Voices in the storm, 1820-1861" Raphael, Ray; "A People’s History to the American Revolution: How common people shaped …" Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

This is the name of DAR 'head' who answers questions and knows where to go to get answers in regards to the DAR. He participated heavily on the American Revolutionary Rootsweb List I have been on and he is awesome. Try asking him for direction as to what area in Missouri handles DAR questions for Missouri counties that don't have a DAR body to help those who are asking for information. I noticed also that that 2/3 of the DAR websutes on the url I sent below don't work or aren't being used today...so here's a wonderful resource. This man's knowledge is GREAT! Grundset, Eric [egrundset@dar.org] -----Original Message----- From: Rhonda Houston [mailto:rfhouston@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:01 AM To: 'combs37@localnet.com'; 'MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: Columbia, Missouri http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/mogens.htm It doesn't look like Columbia, MO has its own DAR, however, I'm sure some of the other counties might be able to help you. -----Original Message----- From: combs37@localnet.com [mailto:combs37@localnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:46 PM To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Columbia, Missouri Please anyone there live in Columbia, Missouri? I am greatly in need of  information listed for Pvt R. H. Hunter on the records of the United Daughters of the Confederacy files in the Missouri State Historical Society .   Pvt. Hunter was in Hays  Regt. which changed to 12th Missouri Cavalry. . If any one can check the information for date of enlistment or any payroll or any thing giving information on his term of enlistment Please let me know. Thanks so very much, Shirley Combs in The Dalles, Oregon ______________________________

Another two outstanding ones for this subject is called": 'Slavery and The Law' by Paul Finkleman Which examins the law at that time by fifteen lawyers of our time ISBN# 0-45612-36-2 African Americans in the Early Republic 1789 - 1831 By Donald R. Wright ISBN# 0-88295-897-6 -----Original Message----- From: Arleigh Birchler [mailto:abirchler16@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:41 PM To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Slave Nation Gang, Hope this is not too far off topic. But first, I hope everyone is okay after Katrina. Anyone been effected, and able to get back on-line to let us know how your are? Today I walked about twenty miles, and on the way I stopped at A Room of Ones Own, here in Madison, for a cup of tea. While browsing through the books I found: "Slave Nation; How Slavery United the Colonies & Sparked the American Revolution." (Please note that my prejudice is to call it the "United States Revolution.") The book is by Blumrosen & Blumrosen, and I am really enjoying it. Like most books, it has its own topic of focus, and the authors might seem to be overemphasizing their point. In this case, the basic thesis is that the reason we had a war against Britain around 1776 was because the British government wanted to abolish slavery. I have always thought that this was a very important reason, along with the fact that the British were trying to keep the Colonists from taking the lands away from Native Americans. Both of these issues are listed in the grievances in the Declaration of Independence, and I have seen the themes elsewhere. Blumrosen & Blumrosen play down the importance of things like the "Boston Massacre" (which was not), the Stamp Tax, or the tax on tea. I think the book probably only goes up to about 1783, so I don't know if there is much about the events leading up to the War Between the States. For some other books with similar themes, one might read: Berlin, Ira; "Many Thousands Gone: The first two centuries of slavery in North America" Carter, Jimmy: "The Hornet’s Nest; A novel of the Revolutionary War" Kennedy, R; "Mr Jefferson’s Lost Cause: Land, Farmers, Slavery, and the Louisiana Purchase" Morgan, Edmund Sears; "American Slavery American Freedom: The ordeal of Colonial Virginia" Oats, Stephen B; "The Approaching Fury: Voices in the storm, 1820-1861" Raphael, Ray; "A People’s History to the American Revolution: How common people shaped …" Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/mogens.htm It doesn't look like Columbia, MO has its own DAR, however, I'm sure some of the other counties might be able to help you. -----Original Message----- From: combs37@localnet.com [mailto:combs37@localnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:46 PM To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Columbia, Missouri Please anyone there live in Columbia, Missouri? I am greatly in need of  information listed for Pvt R. H. Hunter on the records of the United Daughters of the Confederacy files in the Missouri State Historical Society .   Pvt. Hunter was in Hays  Regt. which changed to 12th Missouri Cavalry. . If any one can check the information for date of enlistment or any payroll or any thing giving information on his term of enlistment Please let me know. Thanks so very much, Shirley Combs in The Dalles, Oregon ______________________________

Gang, Hope this is not too far off topic. But first, I hope everyone is okay after Katrina. Anyone been effected, and able to get back on-line to let us know how your are? Today I walked about twenty miles, and on the way I stopped at A Room of Ones Own, here in Madison, for a cup of tea. While browsing through the books I found: "Slave Nation; How Slavery United the Colonies & Sparked the American Revolution." (Please note that my prejudice is to call it the "United States Revolution.") The book is by Blumrosen & Blumrosen, and I am really enjoying it. Like most books, it has its own topic of focus, and the authors might seem to be overemphasizing their point. In this case, the basic thesis is that the reason we had a war against Britain around 1776 was because the British government wanted to abolish slavery. I have always thought that this was a very important reason, along with the fact that the British were trying to keep the Colonists from taking the lands away from Native Americans. Both of these issues are listed in the grievances in the Declaration of Independence, and I have seen the themes elsewhere. Blumrosen & Blumrosen play down the importance of things like the "Boston Massacre" (which was not), the Stamp Tax, or the tax on tea. I think the book probably only goes up to about 1783, so I don't know if there is much about the events leading up to the War Between the States. For some other books with similar themes, one might read: Berlin, Ira; "Many Thousands Gone: The first two centuries of slavery in North America" Carter, Jimmy: "The Hornet’s Nest; A novel of the Revolutionary War" Kennedy, R; "Mr Jefferson’s Lost Cause: Land, Farmers, Slavery, and the Louisiana Purchase" Morgan, Edmund Sears; "American Slavery American Freedom: The ordeal of Colonial Virginia" Oats, Stephen B; "The Approaching Fury: Voices in the storm, 1820-1861" Raphael, Ray; "A People’s History to the American Revolution: How common people shaped …" Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love