Jackie... 'welcome... 'glad to help! Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara@townsqr.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 > Lois, > > You are a doll! Bless your heart! Thank you so much. > Jackie > > Lois Krone wrote: > >> I found Plat Maps in MO for 1930 here: >> >> http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?q1=platic;sid=9d527058639120035231275d66a5064e;type=boolean;rgn1=platic_all;view=thumbnail;g=umic;med=1;c=platic >> >> Home Page: In case the first one is too long?? Click on 'Browse'... >> >> http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?sid=9d527058639120035231275d66a5064e;page=index;c=platic;g=umic >> >> 'Hope this helps, Lois >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara@townsqr.com> >> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 >> >> >>> Did you ever find the link to the plat maps you mentioned? I could sure >>> use it. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jackie >>> >>> Dodie wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, the plat maps are on line for all of Mo. I'll see if I can find >>>> the url and send it. I was fascinated when they put them on. Very >>>> helpful. Marie >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com> >>>> To: <MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:00 PM >>>> Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the >>> utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to >>> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but >>> change the -L- to a -D- >>> >>> ============================== >>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the >> utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to >> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change >> the -L- to a -D- >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > -- > > "At the birth of the Sun, and his brother the Moon, their Mother died. So > the Sun gave to the earth her body from which was to spring all life, And > he drew forth from her breast the stars and he threw them into the night > sky to remind him of her soul." > > Owner/Breeder Tanimara Great Pyrenees > <http://www.geocities.com/tanimara_2000/> > CC: Ripley Co MO GenWeb <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Emoripley/> > CC: Harringtongen <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harringtongen/> - a > genealogy site for Harringtons and collateral lines. > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

An 1877 Audrain County, Missouri Plat Map showing Township 50N, Range 8W, Section 7 can be found at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wfbishop/maps/Missouri/Audrain/T50N%20R08W%20Audrain%20MO%201877.jpg OR Go to the Audrain County GenWeb site and click on "maps". http://www.rootsweb.com/~moaudrai/ Then click on "Audrain County Missouri 1877 Plat Maps" In order to determine where Township 50N, Range 8W, and Section 7 is located within the county click on "Audrain County - Missouri Digital Library". It appears to me that Section 7 is directly south of Vandiver, which would make it in Salt River Township. If that is incorrect, I am sure someone out there will correct me. You need a county map that has the sections shown on it. You can get them free from Missouri Highway and Transportation Department or from the Audrain County court house. Hope this helps. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara@townsqr.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 > Did you ever find the link to the plat maps you mentioned? I could sure > use it. > > Thanks > Jackie > > Dodie wrote: > > > Hey, the plat maps are on line for all of Mo. I'll see if I can find > > the url and send it. I was fascinated when they put them on. Very > > helpful. Marie > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > To: <MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:00 PM > > Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Lois, You are a doll! Bless your heart! Thank you so much. Jackie Lois Krone wrote: > I found Plat Maps in MO for 1930 here: > > http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?q1=platic;sid=9d527058639120035231275d66a5064e;type=boolean;rgn1=platic_all;view=thumbnail;g=umic;med=1;c=platic > > > Home Page: In case the first one is too long?? Click on 'Browse'... > > http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?sid=9d527058639120035231275d66a5064e;page=index;c=platic;g=umic > > > 'Hope this helps, Lois > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara@townsqr.com> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 > > >> Did you ever find the link to the plat maps you mentioned? I could >> sure use it. >> >> Thanks >> Jackie >> >> Dodie wrote: >> >>> Hey, the plat maps are on line for all of Mo. I'll see if I can find >>> the url and send it. I was fascinated when they put them on. Very >>> helpful. Marie >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com> >>> To: <MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:00 PM >>> Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 >>> >> >> >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the >> utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to >> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but >> change the -L- to a -D- >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but > change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > -- "At the birth of the Sun, and his brother the Moon, their Mother died. So the Sun gave to the earth her body from which was to spring all life, And he drew forth from her breast the stars and he threw them into the night sky to remind him of her soul." Owner/Breeder Tanimara Great Pyrenees <http://www.geocities.com/tanimara_2000/> CC: Ripley Co MO GenWeb <http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Emoripley/> CC: Harringtongen <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harringtongen/> - a genealogy site for Harringtons and collateral lines.

I found Plat Maps in MO for 1930 here: http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?q1=platic;sid=9d527058639120035231275d66a5064e;type=boolean;rgn1=platic_all;view=thumbnail;g=umic;med=1;c=platic Home Page: In case the first one is too long?? Click on 'Browse'... http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/cgi/i/image/image-idx?sid=9d527058639120035231275d66a5064e;page=index;c=platic;g=umic 'Hope this helps, Lois ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanimara" <tanimara@townsqr.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 > Did you ever find the link to the plat maps you mentioned? I could sure > use it. > > Thanks > Jackie > > Dodie wrote: > >> Hey, the plat maps are on line for all of Mo. I'll see if I can find the >> url and send it. I was fascinated when they put them on. Very helpful. >> Marie >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com> >> To: <MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:00 PM >> Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 >> > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >

Did you ever find the link to the plat maps you mentioned? I could sure use it. Thanks Jackie Dodie wrote: > Hey, the plat maps are on line for all of Mo. I'll see if I can find > the url and send it. I was fascinated when they put them on. Very > helpful. Marie > ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:00 PM > Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112 >

I would start with your local library which many have the old plat maps showing where the land is and who owned it... there you can compare it to current maps... and also ask the Deeds or Records office for the county, they should have current owners information. Keely in Kansas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gae Seal" <gaeseal@sbcglobal.net> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #111 >I have range & township numbers for land owned by my great great grand >father Thomas Goodrich "of Boone County, MO" but located in Audrain County, >Palmyra Land Office, Dec 1, 1857. It must have been sold sometime before >his death around 1860 because his widow's will does not mention the 307.69 >acres. > > How can I find out where this land was by today's landmarks? > > West 1/2 of SE quarter; East 1/2 of SW quarter; East 1/2 of NW quarter and > N quarter of the NE quarter of section 7, township 50, range 8 West. > > Gae Seal > > MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > MO-CW-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 111 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Deta ["al toennies" > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from MO-CW-D, send a message to > > MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:57:26 -0500 > From: "al toennies" <altoennies@bellsouth.net> > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Details-House Location > > Thanks for your help and insights (once again). You are really a > tremendous > resource for Missouri Civl War listers and I appreciate your advice. > > I was so focused on census reports I forgot land title records and I > really > shouldn't. I worked in real estate my entire life and plat books and > grantor/grantee indices are no strangers to me. I am even old enough to > remember real estate abstracts of title (the history of a parcel of land > reflected in a collection of the documents of record affecting it). These > were beginning to disappear when I started and I suppose by this time they > are long gone but the title companies still might have them. Some of them > were remarkable documents - pieces of history in their own right. I was in > Illinois when I encountered these for the first time and when one turned > up > from Sangamon County I poured through it to see if I could find a document > signed by Lincoln. I did find a few but they were only copies. Most of the > abstracts were composed of copies but once in a while you would find some > original documents. > > I will see if a local title company can help in my search. Thanks again. > > Al in Music City > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:01 PM > Subject: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Details-House Location > > >> Al, >> It's me again. That's a tough one. First, there is no way to extract >> a >> physical location of a "household" just from the 1860 census itself. At >> least >> the 1860 census is the first national census that gives the township >> locations, which at least should tell you in which portion of a county >> the house is >> located. If you are using a copy of the original census taker's completed >> page, the nearest post office should be filled in at the top of each >> sheet (not >> always). That plus the township name gets you in the ballpark. Now, on >> occasion the census taker places a location name along the left margin or >> elsewhere >> on the page--such as a creek or river name or if he is taking the census >> of >> everyone in a small village, etc. >> If I really want to find the approximate location of a house, I have >> to >> use indirect methods. Since census takers called on rural households in >> order up one road and down another, you can use the closest neighbors as >> clues >> and then look elsewhere to try to find one of the neighbors. If you go >> too far >> with this method you will end up on another road and it won't help you. >> If >> you can pin down the neighbors' locations on both sides of the home you >> seek, >> then you got it bracketed. Look in the old county histories, land deeds, >> and >> stuff like that. The best of all are the old plat books which in Missouri >> started to be made about the 1870s. You may find some of the 1860 >> neighbors still >> living on their same land ten or twenty years later in those plat books. >> I have seen annotated census reports in some of the original 13 >> colonies in the East which became states, but these are rare. A local >> historian or >> genealogist annotated the original census of a certain county with land >> deed >> and other public record information so you at least know which creeks the >> homes are near. Sadly, I have never seen these for the Midwest states, >> but maybe >> there are some. >> In Missouri, I have been able to apply 1860 census names against the >> original land filings obtained from the Bureau of Land Management online >> records at _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ >> (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) but I >> just checked and BLM has temporarily pulled this site pending some >> security >> work on it. If you find the name there, those records give you the range >> and >> township numbers and the section numbers where that person's land was >> situated, IF THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL FILER ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND. You >> apply those >> numbers against a United State Geologic Survey map at the appropriate >> scale and >> it will get you within a fraction of a mile or so of the house. If you >> can't >> use this for the person you seek, you may be able to use it for some of >> the >> close neighbors. >> If all else fails. throw yourself on the mercy of the local >> historical >> or genealogical society of the appropriate county and see what they can >> recommend. I have done that, too. >> I have used all these methods to locate 1860 census person's homes, >> but >> they are hit or miss. Like I said, this is a tough one. >> Bruce Nichols >> >> >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the >> utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to >> unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change >> the -L- to a -D- >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. 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Hey, the plat maps are on line for all of Mo. I'll see if I can find the url and send it. I was fascinated when they put them on. Very helpful. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #112

I have range & township numbers for land owned by my great great grand father Thomas Goodrich "of Boone County, MO" but located in Audrain County, Palmyra Land Office, Dec 1, 1857. It must have been sold sometime before his death around 1860 because his widow's will does not mention the 307.69 acres. How can I find out where this land was by today's landmarks? West 1/2 of SE quarter; East 1/2 of SW quarter; East 1/2 of NW quarter and N quarter of the NE quarter of section 7, township 50, range 8 West. Gae Seal MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: MO-CW-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 111 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Deta ["al toennies" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from MO-CW-D, send a message to MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:57:26 -0500 From: "al toennies" <altoennies@bellsouth.net> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Details-House Location Thanks for your help and insights (once again). You are really a tremendous resource for Missouri Civl War listers and I appreciate your advice. I was so focused on census reports I forgot land title records and I really shouldn't. I worked in real estate my entire life and plat books and grantor/grantee indices are no strangers to me. I am even old enough to remember real estate abstracts of title (the history of a parcel of land reflected in a collection of the documents of record affecting it). These were beginning to disappear when I started and I suppose by this time they are long gone but the title companies still might have them. Some of them were remarkable documents - pieces of history in their own right. I was in Illinois when I encountered these for the first time and when one turned up from Sangamon County I poured through it to see if I could find a document signed by Lincoln. I did find a few but they were only copies. Most of the abstracts were composed of copies but once in a while you would find some original documents. I will see if a local title company can help in my search. Thanks again. Al in Music City ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Details-House Location > Al, > It's me again. That's a tough one. First, there is no way to extract > a > physical location of a "household" just from the 1860 census itself. At > least > the 1860 census is the first national census that gives the township > locations, which at least should tell you in which portion of a county > the house is > located. If you are using a copy of the original census taker's completed > page, the nearest post office should be filled in at the top of each > sheet (not > always). That plus the township name gets you in the ballpark. Now, on > occasion the census taker places a location name along the left margin or > elsewhere > on the page--such as a creek or river name or if he is taking the census > of > everyone in a small village, etc. > If I really want to find the approximate location of a house, I have > to > use indirect methods. Since census takers called on rural households in > order up one road and down another, you can use the closest neighbors as > clues > and then look elsewhere to try to find one of the neighbors. If you go > too far > with this method you will end up on another road and it won't help you. > If > you can pin down the neighbors' locations on both sides of the home you > seek, > then you got it bracketed. Look in the old county histories, land deeds, > and > stuff like that. The best of all are the old plat books which in Missouri > started to be made about the 1870s. You may find some of the 1860 > neighbors still > living on their same land ten or twenty years later in those plat books. > I have seen annotated census reports in some of the original 13 > colonies in the East which became states, but these are rare. A local > historian or > genealogist annotated the original census of a certain county with land > deed > and other public record information so you at least know which creeks the > homes are near. Sadly, I have never seen these for the Midwest states, > but maybe > there are some. > In Missouri, I have been able to apply 1860 census names against the > original land filings obtained from the Bureau of Land Management online > records at _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ > (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) but I > just checked and BLM has temporarily pulled this site pending some > security > work on it. If you find the name there, those records give you the range > and > township numbers and the section numbers where that person's land was > situated, IF THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL FILER ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND. You > apply those > numbers against a United State Geologic Survey map at the appropriate > scale and > it will get you within a fraction of a mile or so of the house. If you > can't > use this for the person you seek, you may be able to use it for some of > the > close neighbors. > If all else fails. throw yourself on the mercy of the local > historical > or genealogical society of the appropriate county and see what they can > recommend. I have done that, too. > I have used all these methods to locate 1860 census person's homes, > but > they are hit or miss. Like I said, this is a tough one. > Bruce Nichols > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

It was located about 2 miles south of Vandiver Village (by Mexico). If you want I might be able to color up a map and email it to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gae Seal" <gaeseal@sbcglobal.net> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #111 > I have range & township numbers for land owned by my great great grand father Thomas Goodrich "of Boone County, MO" but located in Audrain County, Palmyra Land Office, Dec 1, 1857. It must have been sold sometime before his death around 1860 because his widow's will does not mention the 307.69 acres. > > How can I find out where this land was by today's landmarks? > > West 1/2 of SE quarter; East 1/2 of SW quarter; East 1/2 of NW quarter and N quarter of the NE quarter of section 7, township 50, range 8 West. > > Gae Seal > > MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > MO-CW-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 111 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Deta ["al toennies" > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from MO-CW-D, send a message to > > MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:57:26 -0500 > From: "al toennies" <altoennies@bellsouth.net> > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Details-House Location > > Thanks for your help and insights (once again). You are really a tremendous > resource for Missouri Civl War listers and I appreciate your advice. > > I was so focused on census reports I forgot land title records and I really > shouldn't. I worked in real estate my entire life and plat books and > grantor/grantee indices are no strangers to me. I am even old enough to > remember real estate abstracts of title (the history of a parcel of land > reflected in a collection of the documents of record affecting it). These > were beginning to disappear when I started and I suppose by this time they > are long gone but the title companies still might have them. Some of them > were remarkable documents - pieces of history in their own right. I was in > Illinois when I encountered these for the first time and when one turned up > from Sangamon County I poured through it to see if I could find a document > signed by Lincoln. I did find a few but they were only copies. Most of the > abstracts were composed of copies but once in a while you would find some > original documents. > > I will see if a local title company can help in my search. Thanks again. > > Al in Music City > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:01 PM > Subject: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Details-House Location > > > > Al, > > It's me again. That's a tough one. First, there is no way to extract > > a > > physical location of a "household" just from the 1860 census itself. At > > least > > the 1860 census is the first national census that gives the township > > locations, which at least should tell you in which portion of a county > > the house is > > located. If you are using a copy of the original census taker's completed > > page, the nearest post office should be filled in at the top of each > > sheet (not > > always). That plus the township name gets you in the ballpark. Now, on > > occasion the census taker places a location name along the left margin or > > elsewhere > > on the page--such as a creek or river name or if he is taking the census > > of > > everyone in a small village, etc. > > If I really want to find the approximate location of a house, I have > > to > > use indirect methods. Since census takers called on rural households in > > order up one road and down another, you can use the closest neighbors as > > clues > > and then look elsewhere to try to find one of the neighbors. If you go > > too far > > with this method you will end up on another road and it won't help you. > > If > > you can pin down the neighbors' locations on both sides of the home you > > seek, > > then you got it bracketed. Look in the old county histories, land deeds, > > and > > stuff like that. The best of all are the old plat books which in Missouri > > started to be made about the 1870s. You may find some of the 1860 > > neighbors still > > living on their same land ten or twenty years later in those plat books. > > I have seen annotated census reports in some of the original 13 > > colonies in the East which became states, but these are rare. A local > > historian or > > genealogist annotated the original census of a certain county with land > > deed > > and other public record information so you at least know which creeks the > > homes are near. Sadly, I have never seen these for the Midwest states, > > but maybe > > there are some. > > In Missouri, I have been able to apply 1860 census names against the > > original land filings obtained from the Bureau of Land Management online > > records at _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ > > (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) but I > > just checked and BLM has temporarily pulled this site pending some > > security > > work on it. If you find the name there, those records give you the range > > and > > township numbers and the section numbers where that person's land was > > situated, IF THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL FILER ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND. You > > apply those > > numbers against a United State Geologic Survey map at the appropriate > > scale and > > it will get you within a fraction of a mile or so of the house. If you > > can't > > use this for the person you seek, you may be able to use it for some of > > the > > close neighbors. > > If all else fails. throw yourself on the mercy of the local > > historical > > or genealogical society of the appropriate county and see what they can > > recommend. I have done that, too. > > I have used all these methods to locate 1860 census person's homes, > > but > > they are hit or miss. Like I said, this is a tough one. > > Bruce Nichols > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > > the -L- to a -D- > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. 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Thanks for your help and insights (once again). You are really a tremendous resource for Missouri Civl War listers and I appreciate your advice. I was so focused on census reports I forgot land title records and I really shouldn't. I worked in real estate my entire life and plat books and grantor/grantee indices are no strangers to me. I am even old enough to remember real estate abstracts of title (the history of a parcel of land reflected in a collection of the documents of record affecting it). These were beginning to disappear when I started and I suppose by this time they are long gone but the title companies still might have them. Some of them were remarkable documents - pieces of history in their own right. I was in Illinois when I encountered these for the first time and when one turned up from Sangamon County I poured through it to see if I could find a document signed by Lincoln. I did find a few but they were only copies. Most of the abstracts were composed of copies but once in a while you would find some original documents. I will see if a local title company can help in my search. Thanks again. Al in Music City ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mapmaker3@aol.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: Census Report Details-House Location > Al, > It's me again. That's a tough one. First, there is no way to extract > a > physical location of a "household" just from the 1860 census itself. At > least > the 1860 census is the first national census that gives the township > locations, which at least should tell you in which portion of a county > the house is > located. If you are using a copy of the original census taker's completed > page, the nearest post office should be filled in at the top of each > sheet (not > always). That plus the township name gets you in the ballpark. Now, on > occasion the census taker places a location name along the left margin or > elsewhere > on the page--such as a creek or river name or if he is taking the census > of > everyone in a small village, etc. > If I really want to find the approximate location of a house, I have > to > use indirect methods. Since census takers called on rural households in > order up one road and down another, you can use the closest neighbors as > clues > and then look elsewhere to try to find one of the neighbors. If you go > too far > with this method you will end up on another road and it won't help you. > If > you can pin down the neighbors' locations on both sides of the home you > seek, > then you got it bracketed. Look in the old county histories, land deeds, > and > stuff like that. The best of all are the old plat books which in Missouri > started to be made about the 1870s. You may find some of the 1860 > neighbors still > living on their same land ten or twenty years later in those plat books. > I have seen annotated census reports in some of the original 13 > colonies in the East which became states, but these are rare. A local > historian or > genealogist annotated the original census of a certain county with land > deed > and other public record information so you at least know which creeks the > homes are near. Sadly, I have never seen these for the Midwest states, > but maybe > there are some. > In Missouri, I have been able to apply 1860 census names against the > original land filings obtained from the Bureau of Land Management online > records at _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ > (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) but I > just checked and BLM has temporarily pulled this site pending some > security > work on it. If you find the name there, those records give you the range > and > township numbers and the section numbers where that person's land was > situated, IF THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL FILER ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND. You > apply those > numbers against a United State Geologic Survey map at the appropriate > scale and > it will get you within a fraction of a mile or so of the house. If you > can't > use this for the person you seek, you may be able to use it for some of > the > close neighbors. > If all else fails. throw yourself on the mercy of the local > historical > or genealogical society of the appropriate county and see what they can > recommend. I have done that, too. > I have used all these methods to locate 1860 census person's homes, > but > they are hit or miss. Like I said, this is a tough one. > Bruce Nichols > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C5C787.3BF1EC70 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Al, you might see if there is a city directory. Depending on where this is in MO. I have found a lot of people in a city directory, or you might even check land records and plat maps. Not sure on these, but worth a shot. Good luck. Marie of Mo. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #108 ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C5C787.3BF1EC70 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="ATT00377.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ATT00377.eml" Content-Type: text/plain MO-CW-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 108 Today's Topics: #1 Census Report Details - House Loca ["al toennies" <altoennies@bellsout] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from MO-CW-D, send a message to MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C5C787.3BF1EC70 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Census Report Details - House Location.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Census Report Details - House Location.eml" X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 05:34:36 -0500 From: "al toennies" <altoennies@bellsouth.net> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000601c5c673$b849cc30$6402a8c0@ALFRED1> Subject: Census Report Details - House Location Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In an 1860 U.S. census report for a rural community in Missouri, the entries were listed by "house number". Is there any way to locate these houses apart from their numerical designation? Al in Music City ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C5C787.3BF1EC70--

Al some homes are listed on a property map for the county you are looking for you maybe able to find it and in a court house or historical area's. What county are you looking for and state also family maybe someone here can help you with that, I for instants know where my ancestors lived and have seen maps with names on property blocks in a plat book. Betty >From: MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com >To: MO-CW-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #108 >Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:00:05 -0600 > >Content-Type: text/plain > >MO-CW-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 108 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Census Report Details - House Loca ["al toennies" ><altoennies@bellsout] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from MO-CW-D, send a message to > > MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 05:34:36 -0500 >From: "al toennies" <altoennies@bellsouth.net> >To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000601c5c673$b849cc30$6402a8c0@ALFRED1> >Subject: Census Report Details - House Location >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In an 1860 U.S. census report for a rural community in Missouri, the >entries >were listed by "house number". Is there any way to locate these houses >apart from their numerical designation? > >Al in Music City

Al, It's me again. That's a tough one. First, there is no way to extract a physical location of a "household" just from the 1860 census itself. At least the 1860 census is the first national census that gives the township locations, which at least should tell you in which portion of a county the house is located. If you are using a copy of the original census taker's completed page, the nearest post office should be filled in at the top of each sheet (not always). That plus the township name gets you in the ballpark. Now, on occasion the census taker places a location name along the left margin or elsewhere on the page--such as a creek or river name or if he is taking the census of everyone in a small village, etc. If I really want to find the approximate location of a house, I have to use indirect methods. Since census takers called on rural households in order up one road and down another, you can use the closest neighbors as clues and then look elsewhere to try to find one of the neighbors. If you go too far with this method you will end up on another road and it won't help you. If you can pin down the neighbors' locations on both sides of the home you seek, then you got it bracketed. Look in the old county histories, land deeds, and stuff like that. The best of all are the old plat books which in Missouri started to be made about the 1870s. You may find some of the 1860 neighbors still living on their same land ten or twenty years later in those plat books. I have seen annotated census reports in some of the original 13 colonies in the East which became states, but these are rare. A local historian or genealogist annotated the original census of a certain county with land deed and other public record information so you at least know which creeks the homes are near. Sadly, I have never seen these for the Midwest states, but maybe there are some. In Missouri, I have been able to apply 1860 census names against the original land filings obtained from the Bureau of Land Management online records at _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) but I just checked and BLM has temporarily pulled this site pending some security work on it. If you find the name there, those records give you the range and township numbers and the section numbers where that person's land was situated, IF THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL FILER ON THAT PARCEL OF LAND. You apply those numbers against a United State Geologic Survey map at the appropriate scale and it will get you within a fraction of a mile or so of the house. If you can't use this for the person you seek, you may be able to use it for some of the close neighbors. If all else fails. throw yourself on the mercy of the local historical or genealogical society of the appropriate county and see what they can recommend. I have done that, too. I have used all these methods to locate 1860 census person's homes, but they are hit or miss. Like I said, this is a tough one. Bruce Nichols

In an 1860 U.S. census report for a rural community in Missouri, the entries were listed by "house number". Is there any way to locate these houses apart from their numerical designation? Al in Music City

Hi, I can't help much but my gr gf, William Boone served with the 6th calvary. He was in different companies within the 6th. He was from Maries Co., MO if that helps. wovenwoods@charter.net wrote: I am trying to solve a puzzle. I know William Evans was a very proud, borderline non-reconstructed Confederate veteran, until his early death in the 1880's. Ironically, his daughter married the son of an equally strong Unionist- family joke says that's what killed him! However, we his latter descendents knew nothing of his actual service. Before and after the war, he lived in Buchanan Co. From Bevier's History of 1st and 2nd Confederate Brigades, I found a listing for William Evans of the 3rd Infantry living in Frazier c 1879, which fits my William perfectly. Bevier also lists a Sgt Fallis of the 3rd infantry also living in Frazier. As William named his daughter Fallis, I have little doubt of the connection, although I can't find William in Soldiers & Sailors system online, nor in the Missouri Secretary of State files. But puzzling? In the 1860 census, the Evans men are John H (father), and his sons A.P.(Abner), William R (mine), John W, and Joseph J. Soldiers and Sailors has in the 6th Regiment Missouri Cavalry the following Evans- A.P., J.L., John, Joseph S, and W.R., all of Co K. I cannot find any additional detail for these in Missouri SOS or Soldiers and Sailors. Allowing for slight misreading/ mis-interpretation of handwriting etc, these groups could be the same men (or, maybe just wishful thinking?) The questions I have- 6th Cav served west of the Mississippi, the 3rd Inf Bevier refers to, east of the Mississippi. What is the likelihood of WR Evans serving in both units, at different times? Where did these units form, and where did the men come from? Where and how did they recruit/receive replacements? Did either draw regionally? Where can I get more specifics on the Evans of these units? Any suggestions for future research would be appreciated. ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx researching Boone, Inman, Stark,Trimble, Henry

I am trying to solve a puzzle. I know William Evans was a very proud, borderline non-reconstructed Confederate veteran, until his early death in the 1880's. Ironically, his daughter married the son of an equally strong Unionist- family joke says that's what killed him! However, we his latter descendents knew nothing of his actual service. Before and after the war, he lived in Buchanan Co. From Bevier's History of 1st and 2nd Confederate Brigades, I found a listing for William Evans of the 3rd Infantry living in Frazier c 1879, which fits my William perfectly. Bevier also lists a Sgt Fallis of the 3rd infantry also living in Frazier. As William named his daughter Fallis, I have little doubt of the connection, although I can't find William in Soldiers & Sailors system online, nor in the Missouri Secretary of State files. But puzzling? In the 1860 census, the Evans men are John H (father), and his sons A.P.(Abner), William R (mine), John W, and Joseph J. Soldiers and Sailors has in the 6th Regiment Missouri Cavalry the following Evans- A.P., J.L., John, Joseph S, and W.R., all of Co K. I cannot find any additional detail for these in Missouri SOS or Soldiers and Sailors. Allowing for slight misreading/ mis-interpretation of handwriting etc, these groups could be the same men (or, maybe just wishful thinking?) The questions I have- 6th Cav served west of the Mississippi, the 3rd Inf Bevier refers to, east of the Mississippi. What is the likelihood of WR Evans serving in both units, at different times? Where did these units form, and where did the men come from? Where and how did they recruit/receive replacements? Did either draw regionally? Where can I get more specifics on the Evans of these units? Any suggestions for future research would be appreciated.

I really am confused and need an answer to my question. I have the Pvt. F. M. Hunter paper in front of me right now and am trying to make sense of it. He was in the 12th MO. Cav. CO G. according to the info: He was in Shank's Regt. and apperars on a roll of Prisoners of war of CO. F,G and part of H, Shanks Regt. MO. Vol. Cav, Confederate States Army commanded by Capt. R. H. Adams, surrendered at New Orleans, La. by Gen. E.K. Smith CSA to Maj. Gen. E.R.S. Canby, USA May 26, 1865 and paroled at Shreveport, LA June 14, 1865 roll dated Shreveport. June 14 1865. ************************************ Does this mean he was in New Orleans? where was he kept POW for the period between May 26 and June 14?  I wonder why only the 3 CO.s were there if that is what this means., The rest of the 12th were still very active in MO. and Arkansas.  Was he maybe following Shelby South?  Any one Please help, We have set the stone and are having the service on Sept. 24th. I would really like to know what was happening in this time frame to Private F. M. Hunter.  Thanks so much. Shirley Combs in Oregon

The guy that I used to join the DAR did not have a direct descendant [or direct ancestor to me] who was in the Civil War. I could join either the Union or the Confederate daughters, in other lines, but not in the one I used for DAR. But you're right in that the DAR is so strict about proof that once you find the evidence to join DAR, it is relatively easy to prove the evidence to join either of the Civil War daughters' groups if you find an ancestor who fought for either side in the CW. I believe that they also will allow her to join if she can prove a brother or uncle to the direct ancestor, but have never understood why since its not a direct lineage. Lanita

Lanita, I could belong to the SAR (and the Society of 1812) through either of my grandmothers, but happened to join based on the family that was on the Union side. My membership in the SUV is based on a lineal ancestor, and the SCV is based on a couple of siblings and cousins. I glued the two membership cards back-to-back, and laminated them that way. Arleigh Lanita Sconce Smith <ozarkn@grm.net> wrote: The guy that I used to join the DAR did not have a direct descendant [or direct ancestor to me] who was in the Civil War. I could join either the Union or the Confederate daughters, in other lines, but not in the one I used for DAR. But you're right in that the DAR is so strict about proof that once you find the evidence to join DAR, it is relatively easy to prove the evidence to join either of the Civil War daughters' groups if you find an ancestor who fought for either side in the CW. I believe that they also will allow her to join if she can prove a brother or uncle to the direct ancestor, but have never understood why since its not a direct lineage. Lanita Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

United Daughters of the Confederacy. I think it predates a lot of other hereditary/heritage groups. skempto <skempto@adelphia.net> wrote:What is UDC? Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN 1718 Fisher St #2 Madison WI 53713 608-251-4437 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Brams Addition Life&Choice Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love