>Does anyone remember the name of the Civil War veteran who became a president >for another country? Also, what country did he become president of? I need >to know this by Tuesday or Wednesday if at all possible. I cannot, for the >life of me, recall where I read about this and my luck on Google has been >horrible. Hello List, Perhaps you are thinking of Sir Charles Duffy, Prime Minister of Australia? The whole interesting story of Duffy, and his compatriots of 1848, are spelled out in the link below. Queen Vickie's comeuppance, if you will. http://www.convictcreations.com/history/irish.htm Best Regards, Phil

Mr Williams responded to my query. We have not yet gone into detail about how he defined his terms, or how he arrived at the 65,000 number. He did say there are errors in old versions of his material that are on the web, and he has corrected them. He suggested folks might want to visit his sites on "Slavery in St Louis" and "U.S. Colored Troops". Perhaps seeing his name associated only with Black Confederates gives one an incorrect image of him, and his beliefs. If anyone has any specific questions about his material, please let me know. I will forward questions to him. Let me know if I should give him your email address so that you can discuss matters without an intermediary. Slavery in St. Louis: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/slavery.htm U.S. Colored Troops http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/ct.htm Black Confederates: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/blackcs.htm Sincerely, Scott K. Williams Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

No, that's not what is being discussed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert F. Schnebelen" <rschneb9@planetkc.com> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MO-CW] Burn order. Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:33:48 -0600 > > Are you folks really discussing the infamous "Order #11? > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying > to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address > but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/

The best book written on the subject is due out in December by Pelican Publishing. It is written from the most extensive basis of fact found to date. It is brutally truthful, spares nothing for either side. The book by the way is called, """Warfare on the Misssouri/Kansas Border"", by Don Gilmore of Belton Missouri. Don has an extensive history of research and fact finding and truth telling. It should not be past up by anyone, either side of the issue, for it has much never been reported facts and history. I have enjoyed the conversation with the Author and know him and believe in his mission to educate and allow truth to be the judge. Claiborne Scholl Nappier

Does anyone remember the name of the Civil War veteran who became a president for another country? Also, what country did he become president of? I need to know this by Tuesday or Wednesday if at all possible. I cannot, for the life of me, recall where I read about this and my luck on Google has been horrible. If you can help, I would appreciate it! Thanks, Brian Smarker Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War Secretary/Treasurer, Westport Camp #64 bsmarker@suvcwmo.org Thanks, Gary

What are some books that give the truth or near truth that is known about the Civil War in Missouri/Kansas. I have relatives who fought on both sides from MO., KS. and KY. Some were brothers- one Union and one Confederate. My grandfather never talked about His father and I think it was because of the War. I never knew about his dad until my grandfather died. My grandmother left me a note with a Confederate two dollar bill (April 6th 1863) in it that told me it was part of his mustering out pay. Donna Jean of MN

Go to: <http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/History2/castelorder11.htm> for a run-down on the order that resulted in the burning of farmsteads of Southern sympathizers....and some who were'nt.

Are you folks really discussing the infamous "Order #11?

Adruain, regarding your original question about who the women and children might have been, you might want to check with Lou Wehmer. He is a diligent, serious researcher of the war in SEMO, is tied into the Pilot Knob Ft. Davidson Museum people, and is very knowledgeable regarding what research materials are there. He may also have some ideas regarding other avenues of research on this issue. This is the email I have for him--wehmer@socket.net--haven't used it for a while so I don't know if it's still good. Regarding the year of the order in question, it would have been 1865. The 7th Kansas Cavalry and the 17th Illinois Cavalry garrisoned Pilot Knob and Patterson in the spring of 1865, taking the place of the 3rd MSM Cavalry, which had moved out to western Missouri.--Kirby ----- Original Message ----- From: Cato324@wmconnect.com To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:40:32 EST > > Kirby > Sorry for the delay, my source is in Ireland, she > hires this lady in Washington, for research. > Burn Order: > NARA Record grp 110 > M-416 Union Provost Marshall's file of Papers > relating to Two or more Civilians > Roll # 59 Item # 16787 > Ivan told me he had a copy of this burn order and > mentions it in his book "Lost Family Lost Cause" He > propmised me a copy but died before he got it to me. > > Adruain Cato > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying > to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address > but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/

Adruain, thanks much for the cite. Gives me something I can work with. You come from a family of Southern patriots with a very compelling history and I am glad to see that it is finally getting the attention it deserves. I imagine if the McGee/Cato clan was from west central Missouri their names would have been mentioned prominently in history books for the past 140 years. Maybe they'll find their way into them yet.--Kirby ----- Original Message ----- From: Cato324@wmconnect.com To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:40:32 EST > > Kirby > Sorry for the delay, my source is in Ireland, she > hires this lady in Washington, for research. > Burn Order: > NARA Record grp 110 > M-416 Union Provost Marshall's file of Papers > relating to Two or more Civilians > Roll # 59 Item # 16787 > Ivan told me he had a copy of this burn order and > mentions it in his book "Lost Family Lost Cause" He > propmised me a copy but died before he got it to me. > > Adruain Cato > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying > to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address > but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/

Al, just be careful regarding any unsourced work you run across. It only takes a few seconds to drop in a footnote, and the failure to put one in should at least cause an eyebrow to raise. And any sourced work you run across, I would advise that you be ready to consult with any source mentioned to ascertain whether it can be found, and if so, it says what it is claimed to say. In my own writing I expect people to check my sources out, and try to frame my cites with that in mind. I also like to be fairly detailed in my sourcing to make it easy for other researchers that are so inclined to expand upon my research, which might end up helping me out in other work I do in the future. Of course being too detailed tends to be a little aggravating to a publisher.--Kirby ----- Original Message ----- From: "al toennies" <altoennies@bellsouth.net> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:13:52 -0600 > > Hi Kirby! Could you elaborate with respect to the fraud that > relates to Southeast Missouri Civil War history. I am digging > around in the area too and would like to know what to look out for. > Thanks. > > Al in Music City > altoennies@bellsouth.net > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Ross" <civilwar@missouri.usa.com> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order > > > > Adruain-- > > Hope you can find a source. It's something I would like to > > use in my own writing, but as is, it is something I would have to > > consider to be interesting but unusuable in light of the fraud > > that is being uncovered relating to southeast Missouri Civil War > > history. > > Thanks, Kirby Ross > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cato324@wmconnect.com > > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order > > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:11:25 EDT > > > >> > >> Kirby > >> I got this from a Cato researcher, who has contact with > >> an archives researcher. I will try to get the source. > >> > >> Adruain > >> > >> > >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > >> the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying > >> to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address > >> but change the -L- to a -D- > >> > >> ============================== > >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > >> New content added every business day. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > -- ___________________________________________________ > > Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > > the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are > > trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility > > address but change the -L- to a -D- > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and > will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact > Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/

Hi Adruain! Can you supply the name of the lady who does research at NARA. I may want to use her. Thanks. Al in Music City ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cato324@wmconnect.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order > Kirby > Sorry for the delay, my source is in Ireland, she > hires this lady in Washington, for research. > Burn Order: > NARA Record grp 110 > M-416 Union Provost Marshall's file of Papers > relating to Two or more Civilians > Roll # 59 Item # 16787 > Ivan told me he had a copy of this burn order and > mentions it in his book "Lost Family Lost Cause" He > propmised me a copy but died before he got it to me. > > Adruain Cato > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

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Kirby Sorry for the delay, my source is in Ireland, she hires this lady in Washington, for research. Burn Order: NARA Record grp 110 M-416 Union Provost Marshall's file of Papers relating to Two or more Civilians Roll # 59 Item # 16787 Ivan told me he had a copy of this burn order and mentions it in his book "Lost Family Lost Cause" He propmised me a copy but died before he got it to me. Adruain Cato

Hi Kirby! Could you elaborate with respect to the fraud that relates to Southeast Missouri Civil War history. I am digging around in the area too and would like to know what to look out for. Thanks. Al in Music City altoennies@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Ross" <civilwar@missouri.usa.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order > Adruain-- > Hope you can find a source. It's something I would like to use in my > own writing, but as is, it is something I would have to consider to be > interesting but unusuable in light of the fraud that is being uncovered > relating to southeast Missouri Civil War history. > Thanks, Kirby Ross > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cato324@wmconnect.com > To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Burn Order > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:11:25 EDT > >> >> Kirby >> I got this from a Cato researcher, who has contact with >> an archives researcher. I will try to get the source. >> >> Adruain >> >> >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to >> the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying >> to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address >> but change the -L- to a -D- >> >> ============================== >> Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >> New content added every business day. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > -- > ___________________________________________________ > Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/ > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

You go Cuz you can. Claiborne Scholl Nappier

Talk to Duncan Hansen...Somewhere in Iowa.........major research done for many years. Claiborne Scholl Nappier

Mike, Thanks. That seems like a reasonable statement. I am still interested in what Ed Bearss would have to say about it, and to hear Scott provide a definition of his terms. Depending on just exactly how he defined things, his number could make sense. Few people seem to argue that there were no African slaves accompanying the Confederate Army. And most seem to accept that on rare occasion, some carried arms and fought. It is an area full of emotional responses and propaganda on both sides. Arleigh "Col. Michael Kelley, CSA" <colonel@37thtexas.org> wrote: Right now, the best statement that can be made is as follows: " While there is growing documentation that a significant number of Black Southerners served as combat soldiers for the Confederacy there is not yet and never may be an accurate accounting of their numbers." YOS, Col. Kelley Arleigh Birchler wrote: Dr Edward C Smith, There has been a lot of discussion on various groups I am on about these two statements. Do you know of a way to contact Ed Bearss to see if his statement might have been taken out of context, or what he meant to say? We would also like to see if we can find out how Scott Williams meant to define his terms in saying that there were over 65,000 Southern blacks in the Confederate ranks, and that over 13,000 of them "Saw the Elephant." I have communicated with Mr Williams in the past, but do not currently have an email address for him. Arleigh http://www.american.edu/cas/prog_am_studies.cfm [Black Confederates Why haven't we heard more about them? National Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, "I don't want to call it a conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910" Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a "cover-up" which started back in 1865.] [It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, "saw the elephant" also known as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in the war. But in the ranks it was a different story.] Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love

Read Don Gilmores book, ""War on the Missouri/Kansas Boarder""....Filled with education and fact about Missouri and it's involvement in the so called Civil War. Claiborne Scholl Nappier

IM STILL TRYING TO SORT OUT MO = CONFEDERATE OR FEDERAL. SEEMS TO BE OFICIALLY UNION BUT REALLY CONFEDERATE, AND THEN THERE IS NORTH OF HWY 70 OR SOUTH. WE SEEMED TO HAVE OUR OWN WAR IN A WAR. THE PARKS COMISSION HAS US AS CONFEDERATE. AND OTHER DEPT. SEEM TO HAVE CONFLICTING VIEWS ALSO. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED.