Joann, e-mail me at hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net I will try to help you if I can. I recently wrote a book on Evening Shade, yes, the one Burt Reynolds came too! Rose Mary Lankford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joann Pasierb" <j.pasierb@insightbb.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #145 > Rose Mary Lankford, I would be interested in talking with you as I had > family that lived in Izard Co. Ark. for many years. > Joann(Karr) Pasierb > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rose" <hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:02 AM > Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #145 > > > > Barb, > > Am interested in knowing who your gg-grandfather was, as I live near Sharp > > County, Arkansas. I live in Izark County about a mile from the Sharp > > County > > line. > > > > Rose Mary Lankford > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mstauf" <mstauf@comcast.net> > > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:28 PM > > Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #145 > > > > > >> > >> My gg grandfather died of pneumonia in Caswell Co MO. He was born in > >> Humphreys Co TN and had lived in Sharp Co., Arkansas almost ten years > >> when > >> the war began. He served with the Confederacy 30 days in 1861 and then > >> switched to the Union Army 2nd Arkansas Cavalry, Company C. He enlisted > > at > >> Houston MO Jan 1863 and died Nov 1863 in Cassville, Cass Co., MO. I do > > not > >> know the circumstances of why he changed and how did he manage to stay > >> out > >> of service for a period of time. He was early 30's with small children > > and > >> a farmer. I would be interested in hearing from people on this site > >> that > >> is informed about the areas where my gg grandfather served in MO. I know > >> you are out there so let me hear from you, please. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Barb > >> > >> > >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > > the -L- to a -D- > >> > >> ============================== > >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > >> ancestors > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > > the -L- to a -D- > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Rose Mary Lankford, I would be interested in talking with you as I had family that lived in Izard Co. Ark. for many years. Joann(Karr) Pasierb ----- Original Message ----- From: "rose" <hickoryflatoutlaws@centurytel.net> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #145 > Barb, > Am interested in knowing who your gg-grandfather was, as I live near Sharp > County, Arkansas. I live in Izark County about a mile from the Sharp > County > line. > > Rose Mary Lankford > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mstauf" <mstauf@comcast.net> > To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:28 PM > Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #145 > > >> >> My gg grandfather died of pneumonia in Caswell Co MO. He was born in >> Humphreys Co TN and had lived in Sharp Co., Arkansas almost ten years >> when >> the war began. He served with the Confederacy 30 days in 1861 and then >> switched to the Union Army 2nd Arkansas Cavalry, Company C. He enlisted > at >> Houston MO Jan 1863 and died Nov 1863 in Cassville, Cass Co., MO. I do > not >> know the circumstances of why he changed and how did he manage to stay >> out >> of service for a period of time. He was early 30's with small children > and >> a farmer. I would be interested in hearing from people on this site >> that >> is informed about the areas where my gg grandfather served in MO. I know >> you are out there so let me hear from you, please. >> >> Thanks >> Barb >> >> >> ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >> >> >> > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Rose, His name was William R Ballard. Barb

Barb, Am interested in knowing who your gg-grandfather was, as I live near Sharp County, Arkansas. I live in Izark County about a mile from the Sharp County line. Rose Mary Lankford ----- Original Message ----- From: "mstauf" <mstauf@comcast.net> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #145 > > My gg grandfather died of pneumonia in Caswell Co MO. He was born in > Humphreys Co TN and had lived in Sharp Co., Arkansas almost ten years when > the war began. He served with the Confederacy 30 days in 1861 and then > switched to the Union Army 2nd Arkansas Cavalry, Company C. He enlisted at > Houston MO Jan 1863 and died Nov 1863 in Cassville, Cass Co., MO. I do not > know the circumstances of why he changed and how did he manage to stay out > of service for a period of time. He was early 30's with small children and > a farmer. I would be interested in hearing from people on this site that > is informed about the areas where my gg grandfather served in MO. I know > you are out there so let me hear from you, please. > > Thanks > Barb > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Amen to that..........that is why my G Grandfather went out to ORegon, after release and advise. I heard it was a Wagon Train deal. He didn't find it to his liking, thus., back to Missouri and Kin. claiborne

Cassville MO is not in Cass county. Probably just a typo. Don Knight ----- Original Message ----- From: "mstauf" <mstauf@comcast.net> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: RE: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V05 #145 > > My gg grandfather died of pneumonia in Caswell Co MO. He was born in > Humphreys Co TN and had lived in Sharp Co., Arkansas almost ten years when > the war began. He served with the Confederacy 30 days in 1861 and then > switched to the Union Army 2nd Arkansas Cavalry, Company C. He enlisted > at > Houston MO Jan 1863 and died Nov 1863 in Cassville, Cass Co., MO. I do > not > know the circumstances of why he changed and how did he manage to stay out > of service for a period of time. He was early 30's with small children > and > a farmer. I would be interested in hearing from people on this site that > is informed about the areas where my gg grandfather served in MO. I know > you are out there so let me hear from you, please. > > Thanks > Barb > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

My Great Great Grandfather died of Cholora in Jackson County area. Independance, Missouri area. It was around 1849 thereabouts. Think it had to do with the Santa FE Trail, or Gold Rush, or Civil Unrest. One of his Son's a Lawyer, Teacher continued. The next generation tried to live civil in central eastern Missouri until about 1860. Many changes on the horizon for the territories was a commin. They must have been survivors, or I would not be here. Hanging around, God Bless this List. Claiborne

My gg grandfather died of pneumonia in Caswell Co MO. He was born in Humphreys Co TN and had lived in Sharp Co., Arkansas almost ten years when the war began. He served with the Confederacy 30 days in 1861 and then switched to the Union Army 2nd Arkansas Cavalry, Company C. He enlisted at Houston MO Jan 1863 and died Nov 1863 in Cassville, Cass Co., MO. I do not know the circumstances of why he changed and how did he manage to stay out of service for a period of time. He was early 30's with small children and a farmer. I would be interested in hearing from people on this site that is informed about the areas where my gg grandfather served in MO. I know you are out there so let me hear from you, please. Thanks Barb

No, they weren't given anything but a piece of paper. They were forced to sign a loyalty oath and were given a parole and safe conduct pass so they could return home in time for planting. At least my great-grandfather was. I have always assumed that his unit must have been surrendered somewhere near Warrensburg as that was where he was released. That part of my family history is a little vague but his father owned several parcels of homesteaded land in Benton County that are now at the bottom of the Lake of the Ozarks. I don't know whether he went back there or had already made the move to Cole County, where he lived out much of his life. I'm not familiar with the history of Lafayette County but Cole County was apparently hostile to former Confederates as my ggf always instructed his children to tell people that their family were Yankees. My mother was past 80 before she knew that her grandfather had been a Confederate. =-=-=-=-=-= > What do you mean by "wound up in Warrensburg?" Were they given land by > some agency in Warrensburg? My grandfather whose dad was the Civil War > vet was born there in 1881 so I'm always wondering what drew the family to > Warrensburg from Lafayette County where the previous generation lived. Was > Lafayette County too dangerous a place to stay during the war? > > Gae GOODRICH Seal

What do you mean by "wound up in Warrensburg?" Were they given land by some agency in Warrensburg? My grandfather whose dad was the Civil War vet was born there in 1881 so I'm always wondering what drew the family to Warrensburg from Lafayette County where the previous generation lived. Was Lafayette County too dangerous a place to stay during the war? Gae GOODRICH Seal MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: MO-CW-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 145 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: co [Arleigh Birchler #2 Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: co [Crystal ] #3 Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: co ["Bill Morgan" ] #4 Fw: [MO-CW] War ["Bill Morgan" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from MO-CW-D, send a message to MO-CW-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: Arleigh Birchler <abirchler16@yahoo.com> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution Don, Folks living east of the Mississippi called the War west of the river the "trans-Mississippi War". Folks in Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, and Louisiana returned the compliment by calling the part East of the Mississippi the "cis-Mississippi War". That is not a literally correct use of the terms "cis" and "trans", but I am sure it was meant ironically. Arleigh Don Knight wrote: Actually, I am not familiar with the phrase cis-Mississippi War. Don Knight Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN c/o Helaina Hinson Burton 69 Gray Ghost Lane Benson NC 27504 (919) 934-6323 (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) Musick/Porter Fan Club Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love ______________________________Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:57:40 -0800 (PST) From: Crystal <mywebtree@yahoo.com> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution --- Bill Morgan wrote: > Somehow I don't feel it fitting to refer to any war > as "civil." Isn't the > term an oxymoron? Actually, you're thinking of the other definition. The definition for Civil in this case would be something like: Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens: civil duties. (rather than being courteous.) :) ______________________________Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:52:43 -0600 From: "Bill Morgan" <wmorgan1@kc.rr.com> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution More evidence of just how imprecise language can be. To most people words mean what they THINK they mean and few bother with reading definitions. At least one commercial for a medical gadget describes it as "virtually pain free." In the context you can tell that they mean "nearly" or "almost" pain free, but "virtually" is an absolute and not an approximation. I conveniently dismissed the other definition of "civil" to make a point, but all wars deeply affect civilians and upset the civil structure, so they are both civil and uncivil at the same time. Meanwhile I want information on the Missouri 10th Cavalry Regiment and their activities during the Uncivil War of Northern Aggression/Southern Rebellion/Between the States. Anybody have any documentation? Bill, in KC =-=-=-=-= > --- Bill Morgan wrote: > >> Somehow I don't feel it fitting to refer to any war >> as "civil." Isn't the >> term an oxymoron? > > Actually, you're thinking of the other definition. > The definition for Civil in this case would be > something like: > Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens: > civil duties. (rather than being courteous.) :) ______________________________Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 22:02:54 -0600 From: "Bill Morgan" <wmorgan1@kc.rr.com> To: MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: [MO-CW] War Wish I'd said that. Now, does anyone here know anything about the 10th Missouri Cavalry Rgt., CSA? I know that they participated in the battles at Little Blue, Westport, Trading Post and Mine Creek and I know that at least some of them wound up in Warrensburg after the disgrace at Appomattox. I'd like to find out where they went after Mine Creek and would like to locate any documentation of unit actions. Bill, in KC =-=-=-=-=-= >> Guys & Gals >> >> It seems to me that this war used to the called "The War Between The >> States". It seems more appropriate to me. There were both good and bad >> issues on both the north and the south sides. Neither were being >> particularly aggressive or rebellious; but, they had issues between them >> for which a compromise could not be negotiated to resolve the issues. >> Therefore, not seeing other options, they chose to fight for their >> beliefs. >> Both sides came to regret the whole war and learned and grew in maturity >> from the experience. It has been nearly 145 years since the war began. >> I >> think it is time for everyone to put their ill-feelings to rest least we >> start a feud that might grow to the proportions of the Irish or the Far >> East. Be proud of your ancestors which ever side they fought on or even >> if >> they didn't fight at all. They had the courage to fight for their >> beliefs >> just as our revolutionary forefathers did and in the process taught us >> many >> valuable lessons. Let us take what we learned and make the country a >> better place for ourselves and our children and it is my opinion that >> this >> is not done by "carefully teaching our children to hate the people we >> hate". >> >> Also for those who wish to continue this warring dissertation, may I add >> my >> vote to take it off this list and just email each other directly. I've >> gotten to the point where I am both bored and offended by the constant >> arguing. >> >> Mary >

Wish I'd said that. Now, does anyone here know anything about the 10th Missouri Cavalry Rgt., CSA? I know that they participated in the battles at Little Blue, Westport, Trading Post and Mine Creek and I know that at least some of them wound up in Warrensburg after the disgrace at Appomattox. I'd like to find out where they went after Mine Creek and would like to locate any documentation of unit actions. Bill, in KC =-=-=-=-=-= >> Guys & Gals >> >> It seems to me that this war used to the called "The War Between The >> States". It seems more appropriate to me. There were both good and bad >> issues on both the north and the south sides. Neither were being >> particularly aggressive or rebellious; but, they had issues between them >> for which a compromise could not be negotiated to resolve the issues. >> Therefore, not seeing other options, they chose to fight for their >> beliefs. >> Both sides came to regret the whole war and learned and grew in maturity >> from the experience. It has been nearly 145 years since the war began. >> I >> think it is time for everyone to put their ill-feelings to rest least we >> start a feud that might grow to the proportions of the Irish or the Far >> East. Be proud of your ancestors which ever side they fought on or even >> if >> they didn't fight at all. They had the courage to fight for their >> beliefs >> just as our revolutionary forefathers did and in the process taught us >> many >> valuable lessons. Let us take what we learned and make the country a >> better place for ourselves and our children and it is my opinion that >> this >> is not done by "carefully teaching our children to hate the people we >> hate". >> >> Also for those who wish to continue this warring dissertation, may I add >> my >> vote to take it off this list and just email each other directly. I've >> gotten to the point where I am both bored and offended by the constant >> arguing. >> >> Mary >

More evidence of just how imprecise language can be. To most people words mean what they THINK they mean and few bother with reading definitions. At least one commercial for a medical gadget describes it as "virtually pain free." In the context you can tell that they mean "nearly" or "almost" pain free, but "virtually" is an absolute and not an approximation. I conveniently dismissed the other definition of "civil" to make a point, but all wars deeply affect civilians and upset the civil structure, so they are both civil and uncivil at the same time. Meanwhile I want information on the Missouri 10th Cavalry Regiment and their activities during the Uncivil War of Northern Aggression/Southern Rebellion/Between the States. Anybody have any documentation? Bill, in KC =-=-=-=-= > --- Bill Morgan <wmorgan1@kc.rr.com> wrote: > >> Somehow I don't feel it fitting to refer to any war >> as "civil." Isn't the >> term an oxymoron? > > Actually, you're thinking of the other definition. > The definition for Civil in this case would be > something like: > Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens: > civil duties. (rather than being courteous.) :)

Brother Against Brother and never knowing exactly why. REad the Septimus Scholl Letters and then we can get back to the Mo. in the CV/War. Start there , then try to figure out Missouri and the rest of the country. Missouri, Independance, Santi Fe Trail, Gold Rush, Black HIlls of Montana, ect..Missouri was the escape route to what many found out took them directly into the conflict. Claiborne

In a message dated 11/6/2005 6:05:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, VandA121@aol.com writes: > *nobody* seems to know *exactly* what occurred during > the time of the Civil War, and never will. > Of course we don't....none of us was there at the time. I think "The War Between the States" is the most apt description, but since the South did not "win," Northerners got to name the "late unpleasantness" as they wish: The Civil War. Nothing civil about it.

--- Bill Morgan <wmorgan1@kc.rr.com> wrote: > Somehow I don't feel it fitting to refer to any war > as "civil." Isn't the > term an oxymoron? Actually, you're thinking of the other definition. The definition for Civil in this case would be something like: Of, relating to, or befitting a citizen or citizens: civil duties. (rather than being courteous.) :)

In an effort to help make clearer choices on what history to believe, we must educate our selves. As I have copy quoted, ""Else we risk the possibility of repeating it"". I think what is going on with this topic is a variety of information afforded individuals. I suggest Donald Gilmore and ""Warfare on The Missouri/Kansas Border"". To the Victors Go The Spoils, and thank God for those whom research history to discover the truths and remind us. I salute on on this list for their comments and information. This is what I fought for in generations war, the right to voice opinion. Truth comes in many packages, some delayed because the mail didn't get through, some because they couldn't take the truth. Claiborne

Actually, I am not familiar with the phrase cis-Mississippi War. Don Knight ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arleigh Birchler" <abirchler16@yahoo.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution > Don, > > My use of those terms was simply in response to the phrase "constitutes a > full-blown civil war". What I was trying to express is that the level of > violence in Kansas prior to 1859 was fairly small, compared to the > violence between 1861 and 1865. A lot of folks object to the name "Civil > War", and I was trying to avoid that argument. I do think, however, that > the Ozark Civil War was a civil war in every sense of the phrase. I trust > that you know what the cis-Mississippi War was. > > Arleigh > > Don Knight <donaldknight1@comcast.net> wrote: > I am confused with the following terms: "full-war"; "full scale civil > war"; > "bona fide civil war." I am not certain what is being stated. I am not > refuting what is being said, but I would like some clarification. > Thanks > Don Knight > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arleigh Birchler" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:03 AM > Subject: [MO-CW] Re: {Civil War} Re: correct attribution > > >> jcl, >> >> I agree that the Kansas/Missouri War did not reach the level of a >> full-war >> until 1861. Prior to that it was civil unrest. It would not be a "civil >> war" since it was between two different governments, and not within one >> state. The Ozark Civil War was in fact, a full scale "civil war". It was >> fought in Missouri, Arkansas, and part of the Indian Nations. In each >> place there were strong groups with opposing political views. This was a >> bona fide "civil war". >> >> The "cis-Mississippi War" is usually referred to as "The US Civil War". >> There are endless alternative names for the War, and continual fighting >> about whether it qualifies as a "civil war". There were, however, local >> civil wars in the various states in which it was fought. >> >> Arleigh >> >> jcl*** wrote: >> Arleigh: >> >> I'm the one who said "war is when force replaces law and reason." >> >> Don't know if what you call "The Kansas/Missouri War, the Ozark Civil >> War, >> and that war in the Cis-Mississippi" constitutes a full-blown civil war, >> mainly because the "opposition" wasn't organized well enough to overthrow >> the whole federal govt. Might qualify as civil unrest or local >> insurrections, like Shays Rebellion or the Whiskey Rebellion. >> >> * * * > > > > Arleigh Birchler, MDiv, BSN > c/o Helaina Hinson Burton > 69 Gray Ghost Lane > Benson NC 27504 > (919) 934-6323 > > (Ali Sengaree - Allah'ka cli here chaya) > > > Musick/Porter Fan Club > Pleasure, Pain, Power, and Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen > Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

What is truth? Too often, truth is the thing that people say or research or write that we agree with, not what the facts demand. And even then, which of us really has ALL the truth? But obviously, you are searching, and I salute that! ----- Original Message ----- From: <SEASNAPPIER@aol.com> To: <MO-CW-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] New name for Civil War > In an effort to help make clearer choices on what history to believe, we > must educate our selves. As I have copy quoted, ""Else we risk the > possibility > of repeating it"". I think what is going on with this topic is a variety > of > information afforded individuals. I suggest Donald Gilmore and ""Warfare > on The > Missouri/Kansas Border"". To the Victors Go The Spoils, and thank God for > those whom research history to discover the truths and remind us. I > salute on > on this list for their comments and information. This is what I fought > for in > generations war, the right to voice opinion. Truth comes in many > packages, > some delayed because the mail didn't get through, some because they > couldn't > take the truth. > Claiborne > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to the > utility address MO-CW-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM If you are trying to > unsubscribe from the Digest list, use the same utility address but change > the -L- to a -D- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm > >

Since we're dreaming up new titles, why not just call it a Struggle for Unity -- and yes, I am being facetious without trying to sound *arrogant*. And no, I am not an historian, but why try to rewrite history. From what I have been reading on the List *nobody* seems to know *exactly* what occurred during the time of the Civil War, and never will. I had a g-grandfather, and gg-grandfather who fought opposite sides as well as several great uncles. There were biological weapons then, too, according to a statement in one of the CW records of one ancestor. The southern soldiers poisoned some creeks with strychnine where the northerners drank water. Other than 'poisoned some creeks with strychnine', would there be another description or would that simple phrase suffice. Seems as though there has been a lot of nit-picking among a few, about what the Civil War should, or should not be called -- but of course not being an historian, nor a student of history, I suppose I am not in a position to make a judgement. I wonder when the debates/arguments will begin about what the war of today will be called. Virgene in northwest Indiana In a message dated 11/6/2005 12:27:57 A.M. US Eastern Standard Time, wmorgan1@kc.rr.com writes: Somehow I don't feel it fitting to refer to any war as "civil." Isn't the term an oxymoron? Did the troops in battle address their opponents in a gentlemanly fashion or did they resort to hoots and catcalls? Did they apologize after shooting some poor lad from another state or did they leave him bleeding on the battlefield? It strikes me that War of Northern Aggression and War of Southern Rebellion are much more appropriate terms. It matters only to historians to standardize such terminology but if it must be done I would prefer "the Struggle for Southern Freedom." Bill, in KC =-=-=-=-=

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