Doing research for my brotherin-law on his ggrandfather MIDDLETON,Moses Albert, he also went by the name of Middleton,William B. He was in the Civil War and he was married to BARNES,Sarah or Sara Josephine from the Cherokee Tribe. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Lela Darlene Pollock Ernsberger --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

Like I said before there is a saying about what the horse stands for but it doesn't always hold true. Maybe this will help. I had heard that it wasn't always true from somewhere like a class or a park ranger or something, but I found this on the web to share. Happy New Year http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_074.html Stephanie

I am certainly no authority on this subject but seem to remember that statues with riders on a horse were in honor of a person who had distinguished themselves in a military manner. The posed position of the horse indicated the way that the rider died, in battle or of wounds, not the death of the horse. Anyone else have this same idea? Mollie

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Dear Joe, I have always wondered about the statues of military men mounted on horseback. Some have the horse with all four feet on the ground, some with three,some two as if running and others with two with the horse rearing up. My daughter, working on her masters in art history at UNO, says it has a meaning as to whether the men died in battle,servived,and possibly other things. She can't remember, it was just something said in passing by a professer. Can anyone help? [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf

Look on this site.. http://www.threes.com/misc_book.html It basically says that horse on two feet died in battle, horse on three feet died of wombs from war, horse on all fours died of natural causes.. --- "G. Brooks Martin" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Joe, > > I have always wondered about the statues of military > men mounted on > horseback. ===== mailto:[email protected] :: alt mailto:[email protected] Researching: WALLACE(ILL-MO),EARP(TN-MO),HARMON-CRUMP-GRINDSTAFF-SAPP-WREN(MO),DECKER(TN-MO),MOORE(TN),MCGUIRE(NC-MO-ARK-TX),JARBOE(KS-TX-MO) DEDMAN(AR), MAXWELL(AR), ALLEN-BUCK-WOODBURY(ME), MORRISON(KY-IN-KS-NE),MCDONALD(KY),HUNTER(PA-OH), HEISLER, DRAPER(NE), MYERS(IL-NE), GILSON(MI-NE), STAAL(NE-OK), WISNER(MI), FINES (IL-NE), LOVE(NY-MI),ISTED(NY-MI),BROTT(NY-MI), TALMAGE(NY-MI),DECKER(NY-MI), SMITH(MI) ...more to follow :) :) :) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Regena Lally" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: [MO-CW] somewhat off subject > Last night while reading a copy of a pension record for my husband's gr > grandfather who was a sailor on the USS Congress during the civil war, I > came across a record that gives the names and addresses of about 10 of his > shipmates who were still living in 1890. These men were on board the > Congress the day they were attacked and sunk by the ironclad Merrimack. The > following day was the day the Merrimack and the Monitor enganged in battle. > > I would like to make these names available to the public and hopefully any > family members who may be researching these lines. Since this is a civil war > mail list I am hoping that someone on the list may be able to tell me how > best to do so. > > Thank you, > > Gena Gates Lally > If you like, you can post their names here & the list members can view them. I also have a friend in Canada who runs a site that I contribute to. That page is here: http://members.rogers.com/civilwarus/rec.man.html Desoto Joe/The Record Man

----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Nimer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Re: MO-CW-D Digest V02 #282 > I am looking for information on Co. M, 7th Reg't Missouri Cavalry. Relative, John Bixler, is listed as deserting near Fayetteville, Arkansas, on Dec. 6, 1862. Where was the Regiment headed at this time, as military papers show that they were "on the march"? Thank you for the any help you can offer. > > Linda Nimer > 7th Regiment Cavalry (Union) Organized February 20, 1862, by consolidation of Black Hawk Cavalry and Unattached Companies. Attached to Dept. of Kansas to June, 1862. District of Southwest Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to October, 1862. 1st Brigade, 2nd Division, Army of the Frontier, Dept. of Missouri, to June, 1863. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, District of Southeast Missouri, Dept. of Missouri, to August, 1863. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, Arkansas Expedition, to January, 1864. 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, Dept. of Arkansas, to May, 1864. Clayton's Independent Cavalry Brigade, 7th Army Corps, to September, 1864. 1st Brigade, Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, to February, 1865. 2nd Brigade, Cavalry Division, 7th Army Corps, to February, 1865. SERVICE.--Operations about Miami and Waverly May 25-28, 1862. Scouts to Waverly, Miami, Franklin and Pink Hill June 4-10 (Cos. "H" and "I"). Pink Hill June 11 (Detachment). Haytown June 23 (Co. "B") Operations about Sibley and Pink Hill June 28-July 1 (Cos. "B," "D," "F" and "K"). Lotspeach Farm, near Wadesburg, July 9. Expeditions in Cass County July 9-11; on Blackwater, near Columbus, July 23. Lone Jack August 16 (5 Cos,). Occupation of Newtonia October 4. Battle of Prairie Grove, Ark., December 7. Van Buren December 21. Expedition over Boston Mountains December 27-29. Moved to Flat Creek February, 1863; thence to Rolla, Mo. Operations against Marmaduke April 17-May 2. At Pilot Knob, Mo., until July. Brownsville, Ark., July 25. Steele's Expedition against Little Rock, Ark., August 1-September 10. Grand Prairie August 17. Brownsville August 25. Bayou Fourche and capture of Little Rock September 10. Pursuit of Price September 11-14. Near Little Rock September 11. Expedition from Benton to Mt, Ida November 10-18. Reconnaissance from Little Rock December 5-13. Princeton December 8. Branchville January 17, 1864. Monticello March 18, 1864. Steele's Expedition to Camden March 23-May 3. Expedition from Pine Bluff to Mr. Elba and Longview March 27-31. Mt. Elba March 30 and pursuit to Big Creek. Mark's Mills April 25 (Detachment). Expedition from Pine Bluff September 9-11. Near Monticello September 10 (Detachment). Brewer's Lane September 11 (Detachment). Reconnaissance from Little Rock toward Monticello and Mt. Elba October 4-11. Expedition from Pine Bluff and skirmish January 7-9, 1865 (Detachment). Near Pine Bluff January 9. Consolidated with 1st Missouri Cavalry February 22, 1865. Regiment lost during service 4 Officers and 55 Enlisted men killed and mortally wounded and 4 Officers and 228 Enlisted men by disease. Total 291. Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Ok folks, Here is what I know about this new motion picture. Gods and Generals is the prequel to The Killer Angels. I have The Killer Angels & the Ted Turner motion picture Gettysburg is based upon this book. It was written by Michael Shaara. Michael's son Jeff is the author of Gods and Generals. ( I have not read the book, but I have & enjoyed the movie Gettysburg, so I'm looking forward to seeing this ) Even if you dislike Ted Turner, ( For whatever reason ) you have to applaud his efforts to keep alive our historical interest in the Civil War. He coughed up the money to produce the movie & hired Ron Maxwell to write the screenplay & direct it. ( Ron also did Gettysburg ) Ted will be making a cameo in the movie, by the way, as Colonel Patton. Actors from the Movie Gettysburg, will be recreating their roles for this project. More on that, in a bit, but first, a little story on how this all came about. In 1964, Michael Shaara took his family on vacation, & Jeff, who was twelve at the time, asked his dad to stop off at Gettysburg, because Jeff was a huge Civil War buff. Michael had absolutely no interest in history or the war, but to please his son, took the family there. A transformation took place inside Michael that day as he took in the battlefield & monuments. He suddenly became obsessed with Gettysburg & the War & for the next seven years, he researched the material for the book he would write, The Killer Angels. Sadly, Michael would die in 1988 & never knew his book was turned into a movie. Ron Maxwell had read The Killer Angels & wanted to make it into a movie, but it would take fifteen years to finally complete this dream. During this time, he had a conversation with Jeff Shaara about continuing his father's work, perhaps other books should be written about the subject, before or after Gettysburg. Jeff decided that he should try to do this, & Gods and Generals came about. Kevin Conway, who portrayed Irishman Buster Kilrain of the twentieth Maine in Gettysburg, will be returning for Gods and Generals. Martin Sheen who portrayed Robert E. Lee in Gettysburg (And did an excellent job, I might add) is being replaced by Robert Duvall, who is related to the General on his Mother's side of the family. He looks more like Lee than Sheen did in this role, by the way. Stephen Lang will be portraying Stonewall Jackson & there is a lot of pressure on him, I would think, because Jackson is never portrayed in film. It will be interesting to see how he approaches the role. Tom Berringer, who appeared as General James Longstreet in Gettysburg, will be replaced by Bruce Boxleitner for Gods and Generals. Huge numbers of volunteer re-enactors appear in this film, in fact, the movie would not have been able to have been made without them. Kali Rocha plays Anna Jackson, Stonewall's wife & here is a bit of trivia for you. Cortlandt Creech, the Grandaughter of Stonewall Jackson, heard that this film was being made & showed up on the live location, to see for herself, just what was going on in the production. Stephen Lang was a big hit with her & felt that having her there, helped bless the project. Jim Choate will portray General Bee, who coined the "Stonewall" name & there are people who are in this movie, like Ceaser ( a reporter for USA Today ) who you will not know, but were given the opportunity to participate. Chris Conner will portray John Wilkes Booth & looks just like him, it is almost spooky. Mira Sorvino will be in this movie as Fanny Chamberlain, not a big part as I understand, but essential to the story. What I think is nice is the company tried to film in locations that were authentic or reproduced as best as possible. They basically took over the lower half of Harper's Ferry, to film some scenes. Kudos to the National Park Service for allowing this to happen. Patrick Gorman will play General John Bell Hood & Stephen Spacek will portray James Power Smith. Senator Phill Gramm will do a cameo & Jeff Daniels & C. Thomas Howell will be back from Gettysburg as the Chamberlain brothers. Mia Dillon will be in this movie as Jane Beale & Jeff Shaara will do a cameo as well. I'm sure his father would have been proud. I understand Bob Dylan wrote & performs a song in the film. It is rated PG-13 & from what I understand, the movie concentrates on General Jackson more than Lee. There are some other scenes that I know about, but I would not want to give everything away here. I truly hope this does well at the box office, but I would love to see it at the drive-in on the big screen under the stars. Desoto Joe/The Record Man

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January 4th, 2003 2:00 P.M. Missouri History Museum, St. Louis Mo. William Faherty, S.J. Author of Exile in Erin: A Confederate Chaplain's Story-The Life of John B. Bannon discusses & signs his book. Free to the public. Desoto Joe/The Record Man

De Soto Weekly facts De Soto, Jefferson, Missouri THURSDAY, 26 JANUARY 1899 CAPTAIN JOSEPH WALTHER - Captain Joseph WALTHER, who was born at Muenster, Westpfhalen, Germany, on April 26, 1831, died of heart failure at De Soto, Mo., at 9:15 p.m., January 23, 1899. Mr. WALTHER lived in Germany until June, 1860, when he emigrated to the United States and settled in .P.New York;. He served in the German army for several years and left that army with the rank of Lieutenant. On February 5, 1855, he married the wife who survives him. In June, 1861, Mr. WALTHER enlisted in the Union army with the rank of First Lieutenant, which he held about one year, when he was promoted Captain and served as such until mustered out at the close of the war. He was in Co. D, 41st New York regiment and was in the thick of the fighting until peace was declared. Three times he was wounded at the battle of Gettysburg. In 1864 Captain WALTHER moved with his family from New York to New Jersey, where he remained till December, 1866, when he located on a farm in Jefferson county, Mo., about three miles east of De Soto. In 1884 Captain WALTHER came to De Soto and embarked in the feed and fuel business. His business transactions were strictly honest and his word as good as his bond. He was appointed postmaster at De Soto by President HARRISON, which office he held four years, and in 1894 he was elected county collector. Nine children, eight boys and a girl, are the fruits of his marriage, and all survive him. Captain WALTHER was buried to-day in the city cemetery. Short services were conducted at the house by Rev. WENDT, and the remains were taken in charge by the members of the Grand Army and tenderly laid at rest. Sent in by Charlotte M. Maness Desoto Joe/The Record Man

Hello All, Located at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13960&item=750748514 is as the seller describes it, "This is outstanding discharge of Absolom M. Wymi (?) of the 63 Regiment of Enrolled Missouri Militia. He was enrolled on September 7th, 1864 and discharged on December 2, 1864. Missouri items are very scarce and especially EMM items. The discharge is signed by Capt. Halloek of the 13th Cavalry Missouri Volunteers. The document is in very good condition with no tape stains and intact although it was folded at one time." Located at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13960&item=751218074 is, "RARE 1864 MISSOURI FIELD PRINTED BROADSIDE "RECEIVE NONE BUT GOOD, TRUE, SOBER MEN WHO HAVE THE CAUSE OF THEIR COUNTRY AND THE WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE TO HEART!" 1 page, 5 x 8, imprint. GENERAL ORDER- Head Quarters 86th Regt. E.M.M., [Enrolled Missouri Militia], Kirksville, July 9th, 1864. General Order No. 2. 1st. In compliance with General Order No. 27, current series, Head Quarters, State of Missouri, the various commanding officers of the different companies of the 86th Regiment will raise, by volunteer enlistment- if the same can be done- if not, then by detail, eleven men of their respective companies for active duty, if the same shall become necessary, and report the names of the men so raised to these Head Quarters on the 16th instant. Care must be taken to receive none but good, true, sober, reliable men, who have the cause of their country and the welfare of the people at heart. Subalterns and non-commissioned officers will assist in the execution of this order. 2d. All the commissioned officers of the 86th Regiment will report at these Head Quarters, in person, on the 16th instant, at 2 o'clock, P.M. By order of J.D. Foste! r, Col. Commanding. A few age toning spots and one tiny hole away from any of the content. Very rare field press printed broadside issued just before Confederate General Sterling Price's last raid into Missouri." Located at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13959&item=750514941 is "Roster of the Department of Missouri, Grand Army of the Republic, 1895,” 240-page softcover book giving name, unit and post membership for each G.A.R. member in Missouri in 1895. This valuable resource for genealogists and collectors was published as a limited edition in 1999. NOT a photocopy but an actual printed book. The information was copied from a very rare, fragile, original GAR roster and reformatted for easy reading. This lists not only veterans who served in Missouri regiments, but also many Union vets. who served in other state units, moved to Missouri and were G.A.R. members in 1895! Proceeds from the sale of this book will go to Phelps Camp No. 66, Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, to help pay for a new monument honoring Union soldiers." That's all for now. K.

I am looking for information on Co. M, 7th Reg't Missouri Cavalry. Relative, John Bixler, is listed as deserting near Fayetteville, Arkansas, on Dec. 6, 1862. Where was the Regiment headed at this time, as military papers show that they were "on the march"? Thank you for the any help you can offer. Linda Nimer

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----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: [MO-CW] Roster - 1st, 4th Missouri Infantry, Confederate > Hello, > > I am new to the list. I have finally found my last ancestor who should have > served in the Civil War. Henry H. Bird/Byrd, (H. H. Bird) served in Company > I, 1st Missouri > Infantry, CSA as a private and, subsequently, a corporal. This unit became a > consolidation of the original 1st Missouri Inf., CSA and the 4th Missouri > Infantry, CSA. Since he was from Dade Co. Missouri, he probably served first > in the 4th, and perhaps prior to that in the Missouri State Guards. > > I am curious if there are any online rosters for these Company I in the 1st > Missouri Infantry, or the 4th Missouri Infantry. Thank you very much. > > Janet (Baugh) Hunter > Go here: http://www.missouridivision-scv.org/ Desoto Joe/The Record Man