Let's do more than chit chat about this and take some action: Write the governor, Congressman, Senators, Dept. of Natural Resources, etc. Governor Bob Holden Missouri Capitol Building Room 218 P.O. Box 720 Jefferson City, MO 65102-0720 phone# (573) 751-3222 fax# (573) 751-1906 [email protected] Missouri Department of Natural Resources Director Steven Mafood P.O. Box 176 Jefferson City, MO. 65102 phone # (573) 751-4732 [email protected] U.S. Senator Christopher Bond [email protected] Ike Skelton (website) http://www.house.gov/skelton/contact.html Gephardt..... [email protected]

Folks, All of the grumbling against taking the flag down is, just that, grumbling. To really make a difference, there needs to be petitions circulated and sent to Gephardt and Holden saying that we Missourians will not tolerate an attack on our heritage and it is at the polls where we can, and will, make a difference. That is what they understand. All the grumbling and moaning in the world won't change what's happened and what will continue to happen, unless we, the people, do something to change it. There is no better place for the Confederate flag than on a Confederate Memorial, it's up to us to see that it's returned to its rightful place. Don't just grumble.do something about it!! Alinda M. Miller Lone Jack, Missouri, where we are fighting our own battle to save our Civil War battlefield. http://geocities.com/lone_jack_mo

Since we have been in wars with England, France, Germany, Italy, Iraq, Viet Nam, and the list goes on and on, we, the people who have suffered because of these wars demand that you give equal disdain and discretion against the flags of all of our former enemies. The glorious Stars and Stripes, may the flag ever wave, should not have to look down on any flag that American blood was shed in destroying the evil that it stood for. Please give equal attention to this matter. An American veteran. ===== Harry S. Thomas (Stan.) [email protected] __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Hello All, Located at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3200849587&category=13960 is "Here is a named tintype photo of a civil war man. Written on ink on the paper cover, J.S. Worsham Clarksville, Co H 49th MHG. Reverse has stamp of photographer from Clarksville MO. Image measures 2 3/4" x 3 7/8"." Located at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3200380516&category=13960 is "A document of George Schneider, Musician discharged from Missouri Home Guards for pay and clothing for actual service from the 27 of July 1861 to the 27th August 1861. the document has been taped." Located at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3200604830&category=13960 is "THIS IS A CIVIL WAR VETERAN'S MEDAL- GAR- GRAND ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC. IN EXCELLENT CONDITION AND ALL ORIGINAL THE BACK HAS THE JEWELERS NAME WHICH IS "E.JACCARD JEWLERY CO." PIN GOOD-SIZE IS 3 1/4" LONG AND THE BOTTOM MEDAL MEASURES 1.5" ACROSS" -- Caps being from the seller, not myself. That's it for now.

Though not a Missouri issue as such, I think it is related to the Confederate battle flag controversy. Are the members of this list aware that the National Park Service is bowing to "political correctness" by attempting to erect a statue of Abraham Lincoln in the Richmond, Virginia park honoring Confederate heroes? Information and a petition to prevent that travesty can be found at http://www.petitiononline.com/noabe/petition.html Bill Morgan Kansas City, Kansas

Gephardt says the Battle Flag has no place flying anywhere. Tell that to all of the Southern black soldiers who served proudly under it, a little known and largely ignored historical fact. I don't know that such was the case in Missouri specifically, but there sure were in other parts of the South. Maybe the cemetery just needs to replace the flag with a specifically Missouri Confederate battle flag and see what happens then. Kathleen in Kansas City

For those that might want to send an email to Mr. Gephardt to express your thought on this his address is below. [email protected] OHB ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: [MO-CW] (no subject) > This is not just for Missouri but for all the southern states that WERE > flying the Confederate Flag. After all it was ours, yours, and their > ancestors who fought for what they believed in at the time. Regardless, > history is history and should be supported as such. Gephardt may just as > well say, "your ancestors were not worth flying the flag for dying for what > they believed in." > > Julie in Idaho > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "Before this war is over, I intend to be a major general or a corpse." > Isaac Trimble > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I was just telling my husband yesterday that they don't want God in our schools or in government any more, but they approve of people using such foul language on tv like the language that the Osborne's used on those awards the other night on tv. It is really a sad statement about our great nation. Charlotte

David, I'm sorry you missed the beginnings of this, but from my view it has been mainly on the removing of a flag ... any flag, for any cause for which our soldiers died for, and history right or wrong, it is our history and next they will removing our history books. Already they are attempting to take "In God We Trust" out of our Government, and one by one we are loosing the very things, again right or wrong, that our country stands for. I'm not voicing my opinion on the Civil War ... but like most, I have family that died and fought in it on both sides, right or wrong, they believed in what they fought for, as did our men and women from WWI, WWII, and VietNam. To dishonor any of them is an injustice to our country and what it stands for. One man, who isn't the President only a candidate, was able to accomplish removale of flags placed how many years ago? Lets not forget it only took one man to destroy another nation and people ... Hitler.

Subject: MO-CW-D Digest V03 #9 The digest had a number of interesting messages and observations, and I'll not comment on all of them. Unfortunately, I hadn't seen the original article about Congressman Gebhardt, or know what the current issue of flag-flying is about. I do know that for many, many of our citizens, seeing a Confederate battle flag is a reminder of those who fought in a cause that would have kept them in bondage -- even if well-intentioned and sincere. The discussion of this issue has always been divisive among us, and I for one would welcome it if our list host would declare it off-limits, but that's Joe's call, not mine, and I respect him. What I do have to object to, though, is the message below which (1) suggests that having a job with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, in which I as a white person hold membership, would be disgraceful. An esteemed Supreme Court Justice, Thurgood Marshall -- now on U.S. postage stampts -- held that top position, and I think it deserves respect rather than slander. (2) I seriously doubt that the Communist Party is interested in having Dick Gebhardt as president; they have always put up a candidate of their own, ludicrous though their platforms may be. If the writer has any evidence of what looks to me to be an outlandish claim, I would welcome reading it. Otherwise, this is just a red-baiting smear, and again I think this is not the forum for such vitriol. Expecting better, Sincerely, David Hadley Finke Columbia, MO 65203 (Great-grandson of Heinrich Finke, 31st Mo Vol Inf., USA) [in response to:] Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:13:41 -0800 From: david kodelya <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Confederate Flags Removed In Missouri Confederates are American Veterans; disgracing them and their flags is in no way Presidential, unless He's running for the top job at the NAACP. By the way. He has the full backing of the Communist Party USA. It wouldn't surprise me if they make him an Honorary Member, He's earned it!!

This is not just for Missouri but for all the southern states that WERE flying the Confederate Flag. After all it was ours, yours, and their ancestors who fought for what they believed in at the time. Regardless, history is history and should be supported as such. Gephardt may just as well say, "your ancestors were not worth flying the flag for dying for what they believed in." Julie in Idaho

My ggrandfather served from July 1862 and was mustered out about May 1865. He was disabled the rest of his life. His brother was killed in 1862. I have another quote: "Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that men have died to win them." Franklin D Roosevelt Those who do not honor our fallen soldiers dishonor us all. Semper Fi Verle -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: [MO-CW] Fw: patriotism Dear Chonna and fellow Missouri Civil War Researchers, John Hagee reminds us what all our veterans know, "Freedom is Not Free". I know the cost of war all too well, my gg grandfather died in a Federal Prison in 1863, my Father was KIA over Italy in 1944 and one of my best friends is on that low, dark granite wall in Washington, giving his life in 1969. I am not sure who said it but the rough paraphrase is, "those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it". My three sons are well educated in the sacrifices members of their family have made. I do not ask or even encourage blind allegiance to any administration, or policy our country may pursue. Blind allegiance is not patriotism, but when the call is sounded the soldiers saddle up and prepare to do what we have done for 300 years defend our country from all enemies both foreign and domestic. God bless our service people and may he protect them from harm. In their memory, "LEST WE FORGET" Bob Robert H. Meek, JR Colonel, USAR(RET) Hickory, NC Membership Director American World War II Orphans Network Associate Member Men of the 57th Bomb Wing Association Proud posthumous son and only child of 2LT Robert H. Meek 487BS 340th BG 57th BW 12th AF Copilot of B-25 7Z "Shirley Ann" KIA over the Magenta Bridge near Milan Italy October 19, 1944 At Eternal rest in the Sicily Rome American Cemetery Nettuno Italy Proud great great grandson of Private William B. Meek Co A 7th Missouri Infantry CSA Captured at the battle of Helena AR July 4, 1863 Died at the Federal Prison Alton IL December 23, 1863 Leaving a widow and seven children At eternal rest in the Confederate Cemetery Alton IL -----Original Message----- From: Chonna Denton [SMTP:[email protected]] <mailto:[SMTP:[email protected]]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:26 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [MO-CW] Fw: patriotism I know that this really does not have to do with the Civil War, but after reading the earlier post about the flag in Missouri, I could not let this pass without sharing. Joe forgive me if this is inappropriate. But the message can not be ignored. I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. Chonna Denton > The following passage is from a sermon by John Hagee: > > >>I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at > >>Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. > >> > >>He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded > from > >>months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from > his > >>family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. > >> > >>He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He > >>looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this... > >> > >>I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now > your > >>children graduate too illiterate to read it. > >> > >>I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you > stay > >>at home because it rains. > >> > >>I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you > >>remain silent on critical issues, because it might be politically > incorrect. > >> > >>I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it > has > >>stolen democracy from the people. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the > press. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the campus organizer who allows you to > demonstrate. > >> > >>It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin > is > >>draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!! > >> > >>"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they > protect > >>us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform > for > >>us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and > > >>Savior. Amen." > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== MO-CW Mailing List Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html <http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 <http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237> ______________________________

Forwarded from another list I'm on. Hope it helps someone. Civil War Soldiers by state www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/3680/cw/cw.html War of 1812 Military Bounty Land Warrants www.sources2.go

Confederates are American Veterans; disgracing them and their flags is in no way Presidential, unless He's running for the top job at the NAACP. By the way. He has the full backing of the Communist Party USA. It wouldn't surprise me if they make him an Honorary Member, He's earned it!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Confederate Flags Removed In Missouri > Tell Gephardt that is no way to win a election. > Who made or put him in charge of Mo.? > The Flag should wave forever over the men > who gave their lifes for it.They were just as > much Heros as all our other men who have > gave their lifes in the other wars.This is > what made America great.Stand up for > What yuo beleave in > CSC > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "If all do not join now to save the good old ship of the Union this voyage nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage." > Abraham Lincoln > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Tell Gephardt that is no way to win a election. Who made or put him in charge of Mo.? The Flag should wave forever over the men who gave their lifes for it.They were just as much Heros as all our other men who have gave their lifes in the other wars.This is what made America great.Stand up for What yuo beleave in CSC

Dear Chonna and fellow Missouri Civil War Researchers, John Hagee reminds us what all our veterans know, "Freedom is Not Free". I know the cost of war all too well, my gg grandfather died in a Federal Prison in 1863, my Father was KIA over Italy in 1944 and one of my best friends is on that low, dark granite wall in Washington, giving his life in 1969. I am not sure who said it but the rough paraphrase is, "those who do not understand history are condemned to repeat it". My three sons are well educated in the sacrifices members of their family have made. I do not ask or even encourage blind allegiance to any administration, or policy our country may pursue. Blind allegiance is not patriotism, but when the call is sounded the soldiers saddle up and prepare to do what we have done for 300 years defend our country from all enemies both foreign and domestic. God bless our service people and may he protect them from harm. In their memory, "LEST WE FORGET" Bob Robert H. Meek, JR Colonel, USAR(RET) Hickory, NC Membership Director American World War II Orphans Network Associate Member Men of the 57th Bomb Wing Association Proud posthumous son and only child of 2LT Robert H. Meek 487BS 340th BG 57th BW 12th AF Copilot of B-25 7Z "Shirley Ann" KIA over the Magenta Bridge near Milan Italy October 19, 1944 At Eternal rest in the Sicily Rome American Cemetery Nettuno Italy Proud great great grandson of Private William B. Meek Co A 7th Missouri Infantry CSA Captured at the battle of Helena AR July 4, 1863 Died at the Federal Prison Alton IL December 23, 1863 Leaving a widow and seven children At eternal rest in the Confederate Cemetery Alton IL -----Original Message----- From: Chonna Denton [SMTP:[email protected]] <mailto:[SMTP:[email protected]]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:26 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [MO-CW] Fw: patriotism I know that this really does not have to do with the Civil War, but after reading the earlier post about the flag in Missouri, I could not let this pass without sharing. Joe forgive me if this is inappropriate. But the message can not be ignored. I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. Chonna Denton > The following passage is from a sermon by John Hagee: > > >>I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at > >>Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. > >> > >>He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded > from > >>months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from > his > >>family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. > >> > >>He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He > >>looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this... > >> > >>I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now > your > >>children graduate too illiterate to read it. > >> > >>I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you > stay > >>at home because it rains. > >> > >>I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you > >>remain silent on critical issues, because it might be politically > incorrect. > >> > >>I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it > has > >>stolen democracy from the people. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the > press. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the campus organizer who allows you to > demonstrate. > >> > >>It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin > is > >>draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!! > >> > >>"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they > protect > >>us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform > for > >>us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and > > >>Savior. Amen." > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== MO-CW Mailing List Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html <http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html> ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 <http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237>

I don't usually get into these matters but my brother served in an unpopular war.He was there 2 times.It was called Viet Nam.Will they be calling for the removal of that Flag next??????? ----- Original Message ----- From: Chonna Denton <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Fw: patriotism > I know that this really does not have to do with the Civil War, but after > reading the earlier post about the flag in Missouri, I could not let this > pass without sharing. Joe forgive me if this is inappropriate. But the > message can not be ignored. > > I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. > Chonna Denton > > > The following passage is from a sermon by John Hagee: > > > > >>I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at > > >>Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. > > >> > > >>He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded > > from > > >>months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from > > his > > >>family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. > > >> > > >>He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He > > >>looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this... > > >> > > >>I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now > > your > > >>children graduate too illiterate to read it. > > >> > > >>I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you > > stay > > >>at home because it rains. > > >> > > >>I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you > > >>remain silent on critical issues, because it might be politically > > incorrect. > > >> > > >>I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it > > has > > >>stolen democracy from the people. > > >> > > >>It's the soldier, not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the > > press. > > >> > > >>It's the soldier, not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech. > > >> > > >>It's the soldier, not the campus organizer who allows you to > > demonstrate. > > >> > > >>It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin > > is > > >>draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!! > > >> > > >>"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they > > protect > > >>us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform > > for > > >>us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and > > > > >>Savior. Amen." > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > MO-CW Mailing List Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I know that this really does not have to do with the Civil War, but after reading the earlier post about the flag in Missouri, I could not let this pass without sharing. Joe forgive me if this is inappropriate. But the message can not be ignored. I hope that you enjoy it as much as I did. Chonna Denton > The following passage is from a sermon by John Hagee: > > >>I want you to close your eyes and picture in your mind the soldier at > >>Valley Forge, as he holds his musket in his bloody hands. > >> > >>He stands barefoot in the snow, starved from lack of food, wounded > from > >>months of battle and emotionally scarred from the eternity away from > his > >>family surrounded by nothing but death and carnage of war. > >> > >>He stands though, with fire in his eyes and victory on his breath. He > >>looks at us now in anger and disgust and tells us this... > >> > >>I gave you a birthright of freedom born in the Constitution and now > your > >>children graduate too illiterate to read it. > >> > >>I fought in the snow barefoot to give you the freedom to vote and you > stay > >>at home because it rains. > >> > >>I left my family destitute to give you the freedom of speech and you > >>remain silent on critical issues, because it might be politically > incorrect. > >> > >>I orphaned my children to give you a government to serve you and it > has > >>stolen democracy from the people. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the > press. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the poet who gives you the freedom of speech. > >> > >>It's the soldier, not the campus organizer who allows you to > demonstrate. > >> > >>It's the soldier, who salutes the flag, serves the flag, whose coffin > is > >>draped with the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag!!! > >> > >>"Lord, hold our troops in your loving hands. Protect them as they > protect > >>us. Bless them and their families for the selfless acts they perform > for > >>us in our time of need. I ask this in the name of Jesus, our Lord and > > >>Savior. Amen." > >

I'll see Dick Gephardt at the polls and revenge is sweet at times. He's not President yet. Rollin Becker

You got it. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: [MO-CW] flag > who the hell is gephardt to ORDER THE REMOVAL OF ANYTHING FROM ANYWHERE.? i > dont rember him being elected king of missouri. Remember he is a presidential > hopeful. and jockeying for the position. his lack of eyebrows can be > explained by years of butt cheeks on his forehead. > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "Why do men fight who were born to be brothers?" > James Longstreet > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >