> > >Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 09:34:35 -0600 >Subject: Fwd: Medal > >> >> >>Just of possible interest, Jaccards Jewlelry Co. was, until several years >>ago, THE leading jewelry store in Kansas City, Mo. I'd bet they were the >>ones who struck that medal. Alas, they are no longer in business here. > >

-----Union service pensions were paid by the U.S. Goverrnment. -----Confederate service pensions were paid by the individual states. I believe that the veteran had to prove service, medical injury and indigency. Need I add that most of the southern state governments were bankrupt following the war and virtually bankrupt for decades following.

I have learned that his full name is John V. DuBois. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared E. Billings To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] DuBois' Artillery You did not say whether the unit was Federal, Confederate or Missouri State Guard. A clue that it may be Confederate is that you refer to it as DuBois' Artillery. The Confederates referred to their units by the commander's name much more often than the Federals. Forces from both the Confederacy and the Missouri State Guard were allied and defeated the Federal forces at Wilson Creek (also known as Oak Hills). I can find no DuBois' Artillery listed for the Missouri State Guard. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: [MO-CW] DuBois' Artillery My son-in-law is attending a class at Fort Lennardwood. He has asked me to check to see if I can find any information about John V. DuBois from 1st Missouri Artillery. They are selecting participants from the Battle at Wilson's Creek to study. He plans to do a report on him but information is elusive. If you could help me find it, I will be very appreciative. Rose Allgood Tennessee ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "If all do not join now to save the good old ship of the Union this voyage nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage." Abraham Lincoln ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "I have never studied the art of paying compliments to women; but I must say that if all that has been said by orators and poets since the creation of the world in praise of women were applied to the women of America, it would not do them justice for their conduct during this war. I will close by saying, God bless the women of America!" Abraham Lincoln ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Didn't Harry Truman say..."If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen." ? No one, in the modern age especially, has the right to universally condemn other people's heritage. And forget about the fact that they lost. Sure if America was a fascist government, all Confederate flags would be burned and forgotten. Is that what the winners of the Civil War wanted ? No, so stop arguing that it all should be forgotten because they lost. Where are the days when we had real democratic leaders ? Men like, Truman who respected his family's past and was fascinated by our Civil War history. He pushed for equal civil rights for blacks, yet never denounced Missouri's history. Flags are the symbols of history and heritage(includes genealogy), we should be hot under the collar when they are attacked. Unlike certain modern politians, Truman knew Civil War history to a wide extent. His favorite school teacher was the daughter of Lt. Hopkins Hardin of Jackson County, Missouri. She used to fascinate Truman by the stories of her father (survivor of Pickett's charge) and how he was used as a human shield as a POW. To read more about Lt. Hopkins Hardin, visit The Missouri Civil War Museum at http://www.missouricivilwarmuseum.org/ The Museum fully supports the display of all Civil War flags in every historical context and the freedom of all Missourians to be proud of their heritage. If you have a Confederate or Union ancestor that you would like to have remembered, the museum offers free entries into our Civil War portrait gallery webpage (just opened, so be patient as new entries are posted.). Also memorial bricks for the real life museum being constructed at Jefferson Barracks (St. Louis County). Scott K. Williams, Webmaster The Missouri Civil War Museum http://www.missouricivilwarmuseum.org/

You did not say whether the unit was Federal, Confederate or Missouri State Guard. A clue that it may be Confederate is that you refer to it as DuBois' Artillery. The Confederates referred to their units by the commander's name much more often than the Federals. Forces from both the Confederacy and the Missouri State Guard were allied and defeated the Federal forces at Wilson Creek (also known as Oak Hills). I can find no DuBois' Artillery listed for the Missouri State Guard. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: [MO-CW] DuBois' Artillery My son-in-law is attending a class at Fort Lennardwood. He has asked me to check to see if I can find any information about John V. DuBois from 1st Missouri Artillery. They are selecting participants from the Battle at Wilson's Creek to study. He plans to do a report on him but information is elusive. If you could help me find it, I will be very appreciative. Rose Allgood Tennessee ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "If all do not join now to save the good old ship of the Union this voyage nobody will have a chance to pilot her on another voyage." Abraham Lincoln ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My son-in-law is attending a class at Fort Lennardwood. He has asked me to check to see if I can find any information about John V. DuBois from 1st Missouri Artillery. They are selecting participants from the Battle at Wilson's Creek to study. He plans to do a report on him but information is elusive. If you could help me find it, I will be very appreciative. Rose Allgood Tennessee

If you didn't want to keep this thing going, that was the wrong thing to say. Julie in Idaho

Nancy. All I can say is Bless your heart. I really thought this WAS as CW discussion list. It is beyond me why someone should be offended by the discussion of said war. I have recently been blessed to have found 3 of my ancestors engaged in said War. I am indeed grateful for the few morsels of information that was not burned when the southern courthouses were torched. I just wanted you to know, I really appreciated your transcription of the letter from back then. Thanks Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Beck To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Flag discussion My dear [email protected] No we won't get over it. We will never forget. This is the reason why we object to the flag being taken down and our freedom of speech taken away by race baiting politicians . Texas, Nov. the 13th 1863 My dear son and daughter It's with a full heart and quiet anxiety that I am thinking of you my dear ones each day of my life. when . shall I ever hear from you my dear children and sister east of the Mississippi again, and ~ what news shall I hear .shall Heaven bless my poor heart with the glad tidings that my dear ones are all spared through the great battles and many other dangers through which they are passing. It may be too much to ask but my daily prayer is Lord spar protect and shield them from all danger, suffer me not to hear that one of my dear sons have fallen a victem to Death while breath lingers in this feeble frame of mine fore surely I could not bear it now in my weak and feeble stage of life. I have tried to look to Heaven for help and to prepare myself for any news that may come to my ear in this great day of trouble . but oh my poor Heart shrinks ever from the thought that one of my Dear children has gone to the grave . but other doting parents have it to bear and why should I be more favored than they. and in many instances they have not the blessed hope the glorious consolation that I would have in hearing that any of mine had died with the exception of ..... . I must give you some of the general news I know you are anxious to hear how all are, and what they are doing Jem and Rob are on the Frontier .Rob is a Major in a frontier regiment and Jem is a Captain in the same regiment 0 they were anxious to elect Jem Col. of the regiment but he would not accept it as he said he would go back to the main army as soon as his health is good enough and poor Will and George are clear away. George was at Galveston about two months ago he is a prominent Capt. in a regiment there. he was elected Major for the regiment but by the appointment of another somehow he was cut out of it. Will is a Major in Fitzhugh , s Regiment. He left home last March was one year ago and he was shot through the thigh at the fight at Millicans Bend near Vicksburg .and brought home. he staid at home two months and started back some six weeks ago. he sent word back from Shrevesport to Lizzie that riding on horse back was hurting his leg vary much. his regiment is near Millican' s bend . he looks vary well has enjoyed fine health all the time. is one of the best and most cheerful soldiers they have ever known .George always keeps up in fine spirits but looks vary thin and pale ( end of page two) Jem and Rob both have rather bad health. Rob don't have any bad spells but Jem's never long at a time without being bedsick and has real hard spells sometimes he was brought home vary sick. About two months ago he was low for 17 days has recovered though thank the Lord and gone. This my third great grandmother lost six grandsons in the war and several husbands of her granddaughters I need not go on. Nancy from Texas A descendant of a second great grandfather, two great grand uncles(one of whom was a member of the GA house of Rep. before he resigned in 1860 to go to Texas (and who by the way were delagates signed the Texas secession document) . a grand uncle and a cousin who fought with the 11th Texas Cavalry, both killed in action at Pea Ridge Ark.. A great grand uncle who fought in Fitzhugs 15 cavalry. 2 great uncles who fought with the Union out of Dade Co MO; 5th & 6th MO Cav. ; 14th Regt. MO Cav. Do not have room time to list the rest. . ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "We ran like a herd of wild cattle." William C. Oates ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Re: The Flag and your comments Date: 1/19/2003 12:27:17 AM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:PATKRAM">PATKRAM</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:SEASNAPPIER">SEASNAPPIER</A> Get over it..,...the South LOST THE WAR and rightly so.

In a message dated 01/17/2003 10:03:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Another point - If Confederate soldiers were not "American" soldiers, why > were they given pensions? > Didn't they take an Oath of Allegiance to the United States as a condition of the pensions? Which would make them, once again, Americans. I've always found the concillatory attitudes of both sides immediately after the CW both astonishing and inspiring. Other than the English civil war I am not aware of another conflict in which both sides put aside their differences, embraced each other and moved on. Since so many of this group is interested in the CW I'm sure almost all of you saw the PBS series. Did you see the segment about the attempt at a reenactment of Pickett's charge by the aged veterans of both sides? I say attempt because when the Yankees saw the Confederates start their march across that field they leapt over the barricade and ran out to meet them. They fell into each other's arms crying. The people who actually fought the war put it behind them as fast as possible. I think they would be appalled at some of the bitterness of later generations. We have the right to disagree but considering we are absolutely free to speak our minds in this country we should show our respect for that right by doing so in a civil and respectful manner.

Dear Joe; I have the fortune to have had two ancestors fight for the Union and one who fought for the Confederacy. I am proud of all of them because they had the guts to fight for their personal beliefs. My ancestors who fought in the Revolution, the War of 1812, and the Indian wars enabled them to make these choices. I have ancestors who came here to Missouri with Boone and have Spanish land grants. We here in Missouri were almost equally divided in our politics. The confederate flag was a battle flag and they were proud of it. Our Stars and Stripes is our flag now, but the Stars and Bars stood for a great deal. It stood for a political statement of States Rights that for people of certain states were willing to fight and die. Mr. Gephardt, like many others, objects to the flag because to some it represents an attitude of hatred and feelings of superiority over persons of the black race. We have no place in society or as Christians for such feelings, but until people are able to look upon the Star and Bars as a banner that belongs in our historic past and not as a symbol of inherited feelings and resentments that have no place in today's society, it has no right to fly above the Stars and Stripes or on the same pole below. On historic sites such as Fort Davidson it should be displayed on an equal height with the Stars and Stripes as it appeared in 1861. That is History. Missourian to the Bone, Toby Charles

My dear [email protected] No we won't get over it. We will never forget. This is the reason why we object to the flag being taken down and our freedom of speech taken away by race baiting politicians . Texas, Nov. the 13th 1863 My dear son and daughter It's with a full heart and quiet anxiety that I am thinking of you my dear ones each day of my life. when . shall I ever hear from you my dear children and sister east of the Mississippi again, and ~ what news shall I hear .shall Heaven bless my poor heart with the glad tidings that my dear ones are all spared through the great battles and many other dangers through which they are passing. It may be too much to ask but my daily prayer is Lord spar protect and shield them from all danger, suffer me not to hear that one of my dear sons have fallen a victem to Death while breath lingers in this feeble frame of mine fore surely I could not bear it now in my weak and feeble stage of life. I have tried to look to Heaven for help and to prepare myself for any news that may come to my ear in this great day of trouble . but oh my poor Heart shrinks ever from the thought that one of my Dear children has gone to the grave . but other doting parents have it to bear and why should I be more favored than they. and in many instances they have not the blessed hope the glorious consolation that I would have in hearing that any of mine had died with the exception of ..... . I must give you some of the general news I know you are anxious to hear how all are, and what they are doing Jem and Rob are on the Frontier .Rob is a Major in a frontier regiment and Jem is a Captain in the same regiment 0 they were anxious to elect Jem Col. of the regiment but he would not accept it as he said he would go back to the main army as soon as his health is good enough and poor Will and George are clear away. George was at Galveston about two months ago he is a prominent Capt. in a regiment there. he was elected Major for the regiment but by the appointment of another somehow he was cut out of it. Will is a Major in Fitzhugh , s Regiment. He left home last March was one year ago and he was shot through the thigh at the fight at Millicans Bend near Vicksburg .and brought home. he staid at home two months and started back some six weeks ago. he sent word back from Shrevesport to Lizzie that riding on horse back was hurting his leg vary much. his regiment is near Millican' s bend . he looks vary well has enjoyed fine health all the time. is one of the best and most cheerful soldiers they have ever known .George always keeps up in fine spirits but looks vary thin and pale ( end of page two) Jem and Rob both have rather bad health. Rob don't have any bad spells but Jem's never long at a time without being bedsick and has real hard spells sometimes he was brought home vary sick. About two months ago he was low for 17 days has recovered though thank the Lord and gone. This my third great grandmother lost six grandsons in the war and several husbands of her granddaughters I need not go on. Nancy from Texas A descendant of a second great grandfather, two great grand uncles(one of whom was a member of the GA house of Rep. before he resigned in 1860 to go to Texas (and who by the way were delagates signed the Texas secession document) . a grand uncle and a cousin who fought with the 11th Texas Cavalry, both killed in action at Pea Ridge Ark.. A great grand uncle who fought in Fitzhugs 15 cavalry. 2 great uncles who fought with the Union out of Dade Co MO; 5th & 6th MO Cav. ; 14th Regt. MO Cav. Do not have room time to list the rest. .

a message dated 1/18/2003 3:43:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Could you put a cease and desist on this discussion about the flag? Little > light and much heat.....getting old. I never cease to marvel that a war > that > ended 138 years ago engenders so much heat on the part of the descendants > of > the defeated. They need to get over it. By the way, I have ancestors who > fought on both sides. > Patrick, I couldn't resist....You shot your cannon off. First, this discussion is more than just about the Flag....It is about geneology. Second, decendants of the defeated......The reason you are hearing so much about this...is, they don't feel defeated....how about that? Third,you get over it.....Like you get over discussion about a man who is running for president in 2004, saying the Confederate Battle Flag is offensive and should never be seen again. That battle flag represents a lot of genelogy, and the lives of men who fought for their country and families. The folks who are responding are the very folks who are suppling you with geneology information, believe me they have it....Seems to me, you could be a little more understanding, regarding the feelings of these folks. The decission to take this flag down from those two site's was no little thing. Everyone making comments, is either offering something or searching for someone to respond with some sort of information which will help. This flag thing is about our rights, our freedom, our heritage, our state, our forefathers....so..........don't bring no knifes to no gunfights sonny. Claiborne Scholl Nappier

Bingo! Theres alot to gain if control is in the right place.

To the list mom...... Could you put a cease and desist on this discussion about the flag? Little light and much heat.....getting old. I never cease to marvel that a war that ended 138 years ago engenders so much heat on the part of the descendants of the defeated. They need to get over it. By the way, I have ancestors who fought on both sides. Can we get back to genealogy, please? Pat

Save your Confederate money boys . The south shall rise again . ----- Original Message ----- From: "jercal" <[email protected].net> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] States Rights > > Also wasn't the South rich with trade and would have been a great loss to > the North.HMMMMM kind of sounds like Iraq and Oil!!!!!! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:18 AM > Subject: [MO-CW] States Rights > > > > I inadvertently sent the following message only to NbBowen and wanted to > make > > sure the entire list received it. Here is the context of my email: > > > > I was taught the States' Rights which were in question and thus resulted > in > > the war were whether or not new states entering the Union could choose to > > have slavery. The existing government wanted new states to be non-slave > > states. Is this incorrect? > > > > Norma > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > > "I have never studied the art of paying compliments to women; but I must > say that if all that has been said by orators and poets since the creation > of the world in praise of women were applied to the women of America, it > would not do them justice for their conduct during this war. I will close by > saying, God bless the women of America!" > > Abraham Lincoln > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "We ran like a herd of wild cattle." > William C. Oates > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Also wasn't the South rich with trade and would have been a great loss to the North.HMMMMM kind of sounds like Iraq and Oil!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: [MO-CW] States Rights > I inadvertently sent the following message only to NbBowen and wanted to make > sure the entire list received it. Here is the context of my email: > > I was taught the States' Rights which were in question and thus resulted in > the war were whether or not new states entering the Union could choose to > have slavery. The existing government wanted new states to be non-slave > states. Is this incorrect? > > Norma > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "I have never studied the art of paying compliments to women; but I must say that if all that has been said by orators and poets since the creation of the world in praise of women were applied to the women of America, it would not do them justice for their conduct during this war. I will close by saying, God bless the women of America!" > Abraham Lincoln > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I am sorry, perhaps I should just sign my property over to the government so they can stop taxing me to death???? I THINK NOT!!! Just MY opinion Laura B ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: [MO-CW] Just Let it Go I believe the reason the Confederate flag arouses such rage in some people is the fact that in recent years it has come to represent hate groups because it has been prominently carried by those groups during protests and demonstrations. The handwriting is on the wall. The spinmeisters have won for many reasons. To the overwhelming majority of Americans, the 1860 Conflict was fought ONLY because of slavery. You are NEVER going to convince them otherwise. Period. Save your energy and breath. Bottom line: The Confederate Flag represents hate groups like the modern Ku KIux Klan to the overwhelming majority of Americans today. No one will ever be able to unlink the two. Anyone who honors the Confederate Flag will be viewed as a racist - regardless of whether this is true or not. No excuse or reason will ever be acceptable. No number of bumper stickers "History not Hatred" or beautifully written articles pleading for historical context will ever change it. In fact, I sincerely believe that in the not too distant future, membership in organizations like the United Daughters of the Confederacy or Sons of Confederate Veterans will be unwise. This is just the way things are. Trying to fight it is a losing battle. Just my opinion....................... Belle ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== "The one thing I never want to see again is a military parade. When I resigned from the army and went to a farm I was happy. When the rebellion came, I returned to the service because it was a duty. I had no thought of rank; all I did was try and make myself useful." U.S. Grant ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Sharon, I can't thank you enough. The note you sent giving the URL for location of soldiers by state may have solved the mystery of my Greatgrandfathers disappear- ance that I've been trying to solve for 15 years! Instead of entering his first and surname, I just entered the sur- name and in the list presented is "B.S. Phillips", just as he was listed in the 1850 Linn county, MO census. Now, can someone help me as to how and where I might find further information beyone what was given there: B.S. Phillips (First_Last) Regiment Name 10 Missouri Infantry Side Confederate Company D Soldier's Rank_In Private Soldier's Rank_Out Private Alternate Name Ira T./Phillips Notes Film Number M380 roll 11 Where do I find more information about the 10th MO infantry? What was an "Alternate Name"? What are the film numbers referred to? Would appreciate any information. Thanks again, Cal Phillips [email protected]

Would you have your opinions and beliefs oppressed? What if you couldn't do as you just did and express your opinion and belief? What if the someone told you, you could not have a flag that represented the beliefs and opinions of your ancestors? What if someone prevented you from practicing your culture, or religion. This is my country, this is my state, and this is my opinion which I have the right to express. We are not debating if slavery is right or wrong. Its the freedom's that may be affected, if this type of oppression is left unchecked. What will come next? If folks believe it won't eventually affect them in one way or another, they are sadly mistaken. Rebecca