I participated in the discussion about the Confederate Battle Flag, and do not remember recieving any mail from this address. Long live the Confederate Battle Flag and it's Missouri Heritage. Claiborne

joe,what is this junk? is there a virus ?

They missed me too. Must be a bigger list than they could latch onto. Chris (tine)

Wildcat, thanks for the warning. I did receive this and thank goodness I deleted it and never opened it, will that work to emlinate any future problems? Thanks. In a message dated 1/20/2003 11:14:11 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Off topic but important to all of you who joined in on the discussion of > the flag. I send all "spam" email to the FTC for possible prosecution. > So I always check the properties. > > > > List members yesterday I received an email from an Anthony Seymour . > MONKEYHAVOC FILM PRODUCTIONS > > http://monkeyhavoc.bravepages.com

Off topic but important to all of you who joined in on the discussion of the flag. I send all "spam" email to the FTC for possible prosecution. So I always check the properties. (Wildcat) ------------ I found the above message fascinating. I would have thought that the number subscribing to this mail-list would have been much, much larger. How disappointing. Belle > >

It is a bigger list. My address was not on the list. HA, that dude missed one. While I'm on here I want to say I believe the Confederate Flag should be flying proudly........ and in many place where our illustrious politicians have deemed it unfit. It is infuriating. Stella [email protected] > Off topic but important to all of you who joined in on the discussion of the > flag. I send all "spam" email to the FTC for possible prosecution. So I > always check the properties. (Wildcat) > ------------ > > I found the above message fascinating. I would have thought that the number > subscribing to this mail-list would have been much, much larger. How > disappointing. > > Belle > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > MO-CW Mailing List Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Could someone who has access to the Union records for the 45th Infantry, MO please see if you have any information on Jefferson King. Such as: middle name; from where he signed up ; any family information; anything to identify him. I have a Jefferson King, private, as having served on the Union side but have no idea if this Jefferson is the one I am looking for. He was born in 1846 in Jackson Co., MO Thanks for any help. Ann

Actually racial preference groups such as the KKK and the NAACP fly the Stars and Stripes as their official flag in front of their headquarters and during their rallies and meetings!! Only a few lessor known racial groups fly The Confederate Battle Flag. In St. Louis, the same flag that stood over the sale of slaves at the Old Courthouse still flies there today. When votes are to gained by selling out this part of our heritage, pride and honor, is their any doubt that Rep. Dick and Gov. Bob will be some of the first in line! First our heritage and honor, then our liberties! David ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Myth vs Fact > MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks. FACT - Quite > simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own > will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. > Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, > Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride > for the South. Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV > - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their > heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and > her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should > be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South. > > MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and > hate groups. FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations > such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have > plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers > that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the > Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV > battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV > denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "Why do men fight who were born to be brothers?" > James Longstreet > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Off topic but important to all of you who joined in on the discussion of the flag. I send all "spam" email to the FTC for possible prosecution. So I always check the properties. List members yesterday I received an email from an Anthony Seymour . MONKEYHAVOC FILM PRODUCTIONS http://monkeyhavoc.bravepages.com I assume you all did. When I checked the details in the properties. All of you were listed. Our email addresses had been gleaned by this Company. I list the details below: Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from sherlock ([208.193.197.55]) by albert.ies.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-50103U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for <[email protected]>; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:56:06 -0600 Received: from blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122] by sherlock with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7FE2AA019A; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:18:06 -0600 Received: from anthony ([80.194.28.92]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:05:03 +0000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "Anthony Seymour" <[email protected]> To: "Verle Randolph" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sarah_B=FChringer?= <[email protected]>, "steve.wilson" <[email protected]>, "Rollin Becker" <[email protected]>, "Roland Bauer" <[email protected]>, "Robert F. Schnebelen" <[email protected]>, "Ray Winter" <[email protected]>, "Rebecca" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Nancy Beck" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Margot" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Laura Belmar" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Kathleen O'Brien-Blair" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "k.brown" <[email protected]>, "K Harper" <[email protected]>, "Julie" <[email protected]>, "Jodie" <[email protected]>, "Joanne" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "jercal" <[email protected]>, "Jason Shetler" <[email protected]>, "Jared E. Billings" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Gerard Whitehead" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Evelyn" <[email protected]>, "Ellie Phant" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Desoto Joe/The Record Man" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "David Milner" <[email protected]>, "David Cawood" <[email protected]>, "Dave and Terri" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Cleo" < [email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Chris Smith" <[email protected]>, "Chonna Denton" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "Bernard Simpson" <[email protected]>, "Amanda Peace" <[email protected]>, "adam rayner" <[email protected]> Subject: monkeyhavoc film productions. Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:07:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C2BFF6.69347220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Return-Path: [email protected]

Belle, I think the names were just the names that joined in the discussion of this subject. I looked for my name, but since I didn't respond to this subject, my name wasn't there. That makes it more curious that they were interested only in those names Peggy - CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [MO-CW] email addresses Members of the list > Off topic but important to all of you who joined in on the discussion of the > flag. I send all "spam" email to the FTC for possible prosecution. So I > always check the properties. (Wildcat) > ------------ > > I found the above message fascinating. I would have thought that the number > subscribing to this mail-list would have been much, much larger. How > disappointing. > > Belle > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > MO-CW Mailing List Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~DesotoJoe1/index-13.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have nearly completed work on a list of all members of the 1st Division, MO State Guard. The 1st included the counties of Bollinger, Butler, Cape Girardeau, Dunklin, Iron, Madison, Mississippi, New Madrid, Pemiscot, Perry, St. Francois, Ste. Genevieve, Stoddard and Wayne. Also, numbers of men from Carter, Jefferson, Reynolds, Ripley, St. Louis and Washington counties served with the division. My list includes all the available service information on each soldier, which admittedly is not substantial on most. Will do limited lookups. Contact me at [email protected] Jim McGhee

I know this is a Missouri Civil War list, but this information should be of interest to anyone interested in the Civil War. The Los Angeles Times is reporting today that the last surviving widow of a Union veteran has died at the age of 93. Mrs. Gertrude Janeway had married John Janeway, 81, in 1927. She was 18 at the time. He had died in 1937 when he was 91. As a Union veteran's widow, she had been receiving a $70 monthly check from the Veterans Administration. The place of her death was a three room log cabin her husband had bought several years after they married. The cabin was apparently located near Blaine, TN. Her death leaves Alberta Martin, 95, of Alabama, as apparently the only surviving widow of a Civil War veteran. Alberta's husband was a veteran of the Confederate Army. One interesting thing is that for many decades after a war ends, the federal government may be paying pensions and thus there may be records of interest to genealogists. The basic reason is that an elderly war veteran may have married a very young woman who then became entitled to a pension upon his death. According to the VA, the last pension related for service in the Revolutionary War was paid in the early 20th century; the last pension related to the War of 1812 in 1946, to the Mexican War in 1962, and now the Civil War, in 2003 (or perhaps 02). Since the federal government didn't pay pensions to Confederate veterans, it appears now the books will be closing on Civil War pensions as well, nearly 140 years after the end of the conflict. Doug Mason

Belle and List, I know we have ridden this horse to death and I started not to say another thing, but Sandra L. Walther, President of Friends of Fort Davidson and a Civil War reenactor, said exactly what I feel. "It is truly sad that political officials now provide the norms of society and dictate what is right and proper when in the past we went to our homes and churches for moral guidance. Whether this action was politically correct or not, it is morally wrong." Removal of a flag (in my opinion) ... any flag, for any cause for which our soldiers died for, without a vote from the people is not the democracy our country is founded on, or what our forefathers for the past two hundred years have fought and died for. This is and remains to be the problem I have had over the removal of the Confederate flag. One by one I see our great nation loosing its democracy and all that it stands for. It only took one woman to remove prayer from our schools, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember the American Citizens being asked their opinion on that either. Now one man has removed flags, without any regard for what the Citizens of America think about it. Today it was the Confederate flag, tomorrow what? We are a country who has a government that is supposed to work for us, the American Citizen. We pay taxes, and we are supposed to be allowed to vote and express our opinions freely. How then does one man have the right to remove a flag or anything else that has been a part of our heritage without first asking at least the State in which it affected? Someone else said "Why fight ... it's a losing battle" Why? Because I am an AMERICAN and I'm Proud to stand up for her, just like all my forefathers were who fought for her and died for her. Maybe the flag needs removing ... but don't WE the PEOPLE have the RIGHT to decide that for ourselves? I've read a lot of good points pro and con on this right here in the last few days, seems to me this website has plenty of intelligent people on it, a shame Gephardt apparently only thinks what he thinks is right. Off the soapbox now. And thanks for all the good points and history lessons. In a message dated 1/19/2003 2:13:05 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Nana, > I did not mention the D.A.R. to which I belong. > > Why do I say that in the near future it will be unwise to be members of the > UDC and SCV.....well, probably a little extreme. But look what happened to > Trent Lott. Does anyone in their right mind think that his statements at > Strom Thurmond's birthday party were intended to convey the message that a > return to segregation would be good? And you didn't hear one national > figure > defend him. Lott was left "hanging in the wind" on that one. I was > flabbergasted. Where has common sense gone? > > Southerners have been successful painted and tarred with the "racist label" > to those outside of the South. The media has done it for years and are > still > doing it. Frankly, I would think people would get a little bored with the > same old theme rehashed in so many venues. Of course the race riots that > have > occurred in other parts of the country go unnoticed while the focus is > always > on the South. > > There's just no point in waving a red flag in front of a bull in my not so > humble opinion. > > Belle

Scott, have you tried the National Parks site? If memory serves, they had the roll of colored troops there, so they might also have some of the information you're looking for.

Claiborne, What a great explanation to someone who doesn't realize the deep feelings Southerners have about their heiritage. DEO VINDICE, DonAld S. Wehking From: [email protected] > Date: 2003/01/18 Sat PM 05:29:54 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MO-CW] stopping the flag discussion > > a message dated 1/18/2003 3:43:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] > writes: > > > > Could you put a cease and desist on this discussion about the flag? Little > > light and much heat.....getting old. I never cease to marvel that a war > > that > > ended 138 years ago engenders so much heat on the part of the descendants > > of > > the defeated. They need to get over it. By the way, I have ancestors who > > fought on both sides. > > > > Patrick, > I couldn't resist....You shot your cannon off. First, this discussion is more > than just about the Flag....It is about geneology. Second, decendants of the > defeated......The reason you are hearing so much about this...is, they don't > feel defeated....how about that? > Third,you get over it.....Like you get over discussion about a man who is > running for president in 2004, saying the Confederate Battle Flag is > offensive and should never be seen again. That battle flag represents a lot > of genelogy, and the lives of men who fought for their country and families. > The folks who are responding are the very folks who are suppling you with > geneology information, believe me they have it....Seems to me, you could be a > little more understanding, regarding the feelings of these folks. The > decission to take this flag down from those two site's was no little thing. > Everyone making comments, is either offering something or searching for > someone to respond with some sort of information which will help. > This flag thing is about our rights, our freedom, our heritage, our state, > our forefathers....so..........don't bring no knifes to no gunfights sonny. > Claiborne Scholl Nappier > > > ==== MO-CW Mailing List ==== > "We ran like a herd of wild cattle." > William C. Oates > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

My ancestor, Joshua Draper Palmer Kendrick lived in Carthage, Jasper Co., MO at the outbreak of the CW and may have fled to Neosho when he joined the army. The following is the only record I have for him. I would appreciate any information concerning this company or if someone could tell me where I could search? Can someone tell me if the fact that he was paroled in June 1865 meant that he had been captured and was a POW? Can anyone tell me about the Webb City Confederate Veterans Camp #522? CERTIFICATE OF WAR SERVICE for J. D. P. Kendrick Confederate Army MISSOURI SOLDIERS (1861-1865) WAR BETWEEN THE STATES J.D.P. Kendrick was a Private in Company C, Johnson's Battalion WESTERN HISTORICAL MANUSCRIPT COLLECTION, State Historical Society of Missouri, Columbia, MO: "Joshua Kendrick was born on 15 June 1825, enlisted in the fall of 1864, and was paroled in June 1865. He was a member of the United Confederate Veterans Camp in Webb City, Jasper County [Missouri]. Johnson's Battalion was also known as the 1st Infantry Regiment which consolidated with the 4th Infantry Regiment." This information is based on microfilm "Record of Missouri Confederate Veterans Compiled for the United Daughters of the Confederacy, Missouri Collection, collected by Confederate Dame Chapter, Webb City, Jasper County". The record shows he was a member of Jasper County Camp, United Confederate Veterans, No. 522. Thank you for any help. Christie Russell

My opinion of the flag being removed from the two Confederate Memorial Missouri sites is without regard to politics simply as follows: "A SOLDIER DESERVES TO LIE FOR ETERNITY UNDER THE FLAG FOR WHICH HE DIED." Christine Wyly Amarillo, TX

MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks. FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South. Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South. MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups. FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE

1. I don't think the primary issue here is Confederate Heritage, as important as that issue is. Rather, it is freedom of speech. 2. Shall we give up the American flag because "hate groups" use it at their rallies? The logic that the battle flag should be dropped because the Klan uses it is, in my opinion, extremely thin. The hostile media build the association between the battle flag and the Klan because they have no real or honest argument to offer. The Klan burns crosses. Shall we therefore give up crosses? They wear sheets. Shall we therefore stop sleeping on sheets? The modern Klan is a tiny, insignificant, and insane organization, made up largely (as recent newspaper reports show) of government provocateurs. Its prominence derives purely from its usefulness to the media as a stick to use to beat up any conservative cause. 3. I am not aware that African Americans are in overwhelming numbers resentful of the flying of the battle flag. The size of the majority of voters in Mississippi wishing to preserve the flag in the recent referendum clearly indicates that many African Americans in that state saw the battle flag as no direct insult to them. Such a majority, I believe, could not have been reached without a majority, or at least a large minority, of African American votes. I doubt very much that any substantial number of citizens of Mississippi, including those who voted to retain the battle flag, would desire or even countenance the restoration of slavery. Even at the time of the Civil War many, perhaps even a majority, of Southerners (prominently, Generals Lee and Claibourne) opposed slavery and sought its abolition. The majority owned no slaves, though they were freely available. My own gr-gr-grandfather, a factory owner in Mississippi, was opposed to slavery, bought slaves to free them, successfully introduced legislation in the Jackson city council granting freedom of the streets and church attendance to slaves, and did all this in the midst of the war without apparent injury to his social prominence. He fought in the war as a cavalry officer defending Atlanta and Charleston, and left no indication that he saw any "irony" in his allegiance to the Confederacy and his open, active opposition to slavery and espousal of civil rights for African Americans. 4. The attitude you recommend is not just that the battle flag should be taken down. More importantly, whether you realize it or not, you are advocating giving over control of all our actions and institutions to the media. In a message dated 1/19/03 [email protected] writes: << Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:59:55 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MO-CW] Re: Rural Plains Post Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In response to the message you posted and which I have copied below, let me say this. In essence I agree with you. However, at age 58, I'm a little more selective in which battles to fight. Further, as my dear mother taught me, there's more than one way to "skin a cat". There is more to Southern Heritage than a mere piece of cloth. The Confederate flag represents the modern day Ku Klux Klan and hate groups. This is fact not opinion. No amount of "education" is going to counter this. And frankly, I don't blame Afro-Americans for being upset to see it flying. Put yourselves in their shoes. Quite naturally they focus only on the slavery issue. Truth? I don't see truth involved in defending flying a flag that once represented something and today represents something else to the overwhelming majority of people in this country. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest started the Ku Klux Klan to fill a need in the 1860's.. The Ku Klux Klan has evolved into nothing but a hate group in modern times. Would any self-respecting person defend the Ku Klux Klan or belong to that organization today? Would you? I doubt it. I'm not a supporter of Dick Gephart. I believe he used this issue for his political advantage but I don't see taking down that flag as an erosion of anyone's rights. I see it more as taking it down out of consideration for what it represents to the Afro-American community and to the overwhelming majority of Americans outside of the South and Border States. Belle >>

I am seeking pictures of battle or regimental flags of the following U.S. Colored Infantry Troops that originated from Missouri: 18th U.S. Colored Infantry 56th U.S. Colored Infantry (formerly 3rd Ark Infantry (African descent) 62nd U.S. Colored Infantry (formerly 1st Mo Colored Infantry) 65th U.S. Colored Infantry (formerly 2nd Mo. Colored Infantry) 67th U.S. Colored Infantry (formerly 3rd Mo. Colored Infantry) 68th U.S. Colored Infantry (formerly 4th Mo. Colored Infantry) Would appreciate hearing from anyone knowledgeable of these units. Also if anyone has any photographs or letters of soldiers. Scott K. Williams, The Missouri Civil War Museum http://www.missouricivilwarmuseum.org/