De Soto Weekly facts De Soto, Jefferson, Missouri THURSDAY, 11 MAY 1899 Anton WURMSER, an old gentleman, who lived with his son, Jos. WURMSER, about two miles east of De Soto, died suddenly Sunday. He was 78 years of age and was born in Alsace, at that time a province of France. Coming to this country just before the Mexican war, he enlisted and served under General SCOTT. At the breaking out of the Civil war, he enlisted in the Union army where he served his adopted country a second time. No physician having been called in, the Coroner, Dr. TAYLOR, was called to view the body. There was no need of an inquest and the body was buried on the farm last Tuesday. THURSDAY, 25 MAY 1899 Gen C.D. WOLFF, one of the leading citizens of St. Louis county, at his home in Clayton. He made a good record in the Civil war on the Union side. JOHN BROWN's SISTER - Mrs. Martha BROWN DAVIS, of St. John's, Mich., arrived at Nevada, the other day, on a visit to Mr. and Mrs. B.N. BAILEY. Mrs. DAVIS is a sister of John BROWN, of Harper's Ferry fame. She is the last surviving member of the family. BY FEAR OF A STORM - At Springfield, Thomas AIKEN, an ex-Union soldier, aged 65, became alarmed at the prospects of a storm and killed himself with a pistol. THURSDAY, 1 JUNE 1899 RECENT DEATH Maj. Thomas J. SHAW, who served with Jo SHELBY in the confederate cause during the civil war, at Denver, Col. He was a prominent figure in Jackson and adjoining counties prior to that struggle. He was once mayor of Independence. Sent in by Charlotte M. Maness Desoto Joe/The Record Man
De Soto Weekly facts De Soto, Jefferson, Missouri THURSDAY, 23 MARCH 1899 RECENT DEATHS - Maj. Henry STONESTREET, at the home of his daughter, in Kansas City. Maj. STONESTREET was born in Lexington, Ky., in 1822, and won his title in the confederate army. Sent in by Charlotte M. Maness. Desoto Joe/The Record Man
Desoto Joe/The Record Man ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Scherrer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: [MO-CW] 13 Year Old Wanting to do CW Reenacting-Columbia, MO > My bosses son is interested in doing CW reenacting. > He is 13 and lives in Columbia. Is there any local > unit that can help him? He would more than likely do > Yank. > > Tim > > ===== > Tim A. Scherrer > CO, 84th Infantry Division "Railsplitters," Reenacted > WWIIHRS and MVPA > Columbia, MO > www.geocities.com/soldierboy440/railsplitters > Start here: Missouri Civil War Reenactors Association http://members.tripod.com/~MCWRA/ Desoto Joe/The Record Man
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christie Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: [MO-CW] Oath of Allegiance > I have two questions: > > Question 1 It is my understanding that at the end of the CW, > Confederate veterans were required to sign an "Oath of Allegiance" to > the United States of America. The soldier was given a document which > recorded the fact that he had taken the "oath", and could use that > document to conduct whatever business it would allow him to perform > business of a legal nature, such as deeds, ability to vote, transmittal > of property. Can anyone tell me where a record of those Oaths for > Missouri Veterans would be found? > > > > Question 2 My ancestor was a member of the Jasper County United > Confederate Veterans Camp of Webb City # 522. Can anyone tell me the > history of that group and if its records are available? > > > > Thank you for any help. > > > > Christie Russell > > http://www.sos.state.mo.us/archives/resources/refugees.asp United Daughters of the Confederacy, Missouri Division, Records, n.d. (C3188) http://www.system.missouri.edu/whmc/invent/3188.html MILITARY RECORDS - CIVIL WAR MICROFILM, FICHE, AND CD RESOURCES http://www.win.org/library/services/lhgen/MICROmilrecCV.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~mojasper/jcpage.htm?sourceid=00228464117394900938 Desoto Joe/The Record Man
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I have two questions: Question 1 It is my understanding that at the end of the CW, Confederate veterans were required to sign an "Oath of Allegiance" to the United States of America. The soldier was given a document which recorded the fact that he had taken the "oath", and could use that document to conduct whatever business it would allow him to perform business of a legal nature, such as deeds, ability to vote, transmittal of property. Can anyone tell me where a record of those Oaths for Missouri Veterans would be found? Question 2 My ancestor was a member of the Jasper County United Confederate Veterans Camp of Webb City # 522. Can anyone tell me the history of that group and if its records are available? Thank you for any help. Christie Russell
> The faces on these bills were men who were leaders when many blacks were > slaves. But let’s get down and dirty, shall we? The worst riot in American > history was not in Los Angeles. It was in New York, back in 1863. You see, > there were a bunch of people who, like during Vietnam, didn’t want be > conscripted (read: drafted) to serve in an unjust war. Talk to your > President about that. Over 1200 people died in just two days. Most when > President Lincoln sent federal troops in to put down the “rebellion.” Oh, > by the way, 83 blacks were lynched in those two days – right there in The > Big Apple. So, which flag do you really want taken down? But since we’re > all told to boycott, will those leftist, black elected leaders in South > Carolina boycott the Statehouse while its in session? I doubt it. Will they > avoid buying goods in their own state? Doubt it. Our forefathers who wrote > the Constitution gave all of us a way to deal with a state’s policies we > didn’t like. That’s what the South was fighting for. It was not about > slavery. If that were the case, we’d be bombing China right now, and we > would not accept license plates made with prison labor right here in the > good ol’ USA. Oh…What’s the black population percentage in prison these > days, anyway? The multicultural extremists can’t call me racist, but in the > black socialist > community, they have even uglier words for people who refuse to live on > that “plantation,” such as me. Just ask Clarence Thomas. So let that flag > wave proudly as a monument to the last Army in this country that actually > fought for the Constitution. I am proud to have ancestors who fought with > them. And for those people who don’t want their state to fly the stars and > bars, here a solution that’s much easier that protesting… …leave. There’ > s a term for it. Its called “white flight.” J.J. Johnson – Proud Black > American > And Editor-n-Chief
I was wondering if the Confederate Battle Flag is so offensive to certain Americans and if the Civil War was about slavery, can anyone answer these questions? CSN 6th Generation Missourian Veteran History respector If The War of 1861-1865 Was Really About Slavery... Why didn't Lincoln just arm the slaves? Why didn't Lincoln simply buy the slaves off? Why didn't Lincoln order his troops NOT to fire on slaves during General Sherman's infamous march? Why did over 97,000 blacks fight on the side of the Confederacy? Why did Northern States outlaw slavery AFTER the war was over? Delaware rejected the 13th Amendment and did not ratify it (free the slaves) until 1901! Why did Union troops destroy what was knowingly part of the Underground Railroad during key campaigns? Why do we still condone slavery in other countries (such as China)? How did burning Atlanta help the free blacks in that city? How many were killed? If the South wanted Slavery and the North didn't, then why didn't the Northern States secede from the Southern States and offered free passage north to blacks? Wouldn't that have been much simpler? Why are there numerous articles from those days about the war being fought over money and federal rule vs state sovereignty? And finally... Why won't ANY member of the NAACP debate Southern Heritage Supporters Publicly on the matter?
My bosses son is interested in doing CW reenacting. He is 13 and lives in Columbia. Is there any local unit that can help him? He would more than likely do Yank. Tim ===== Tim A. Scherrer CO, 84th Infantry Division "Railsplitters," Reenacted WWIIHRS and MVPA Columbia, MO www.geocities.com/soldierboy440/railsplitters "You'll be fighting WWII for the rest of your life." Ron Scherrer, 1971 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
The flag of the "Missouri Guards", 1st Missouri Volunteer Militia that was captured at Camp Jackson is now flying in animated graphic format on the Missouri Civil War Museum website. Go to the CW History Section, Camp Jackson page for larger scale graphic. I will continually be working on a graphics for other Missouri Civil War flags, union and confederate as I find them. Scott K. Williams, Webmaster The Missouri Civil War Museum http://www.missouricivilwarmuseum.org/
Hello List, I am researching the unit known as Fremont's Body Guard, which was actually only a battalion of 4 companies. It was organzied out of men from St.Louis and Cincinnati, Ohio. If you are a descendant of a member of this unit, or know anything about this unit, please contact me. At the same time, I'm trying to find a list of Confederate soldiers (supposedly 1000 - 2000 men) who fought against Fremont's Body Guard in the battle or skirmish known as "Zagonyi's Charge" in Springfield, Mo on Oct.25, 1861. Thanks so very much, John Maurath [email protected]
----- Original Message ----- From: "phillipscalvin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: [MO-CW] 10TH Missouri Infantry (CONFEDERATE) > Sharon, I can't thank you enough. The note you sent > giving the URL for location of soldiers by state may have > solved the mystery of my Greatgrandfathers disappear- > ance that I've been trying to solve for 15 years! Instead > of entering his first and surname, I just entered the sur- > name and in the list presented is "B.S. Phillips", just as > he was listed in the 1850 Linn county, MO census. > Now, can someone help me as to how and where I might > find further information beyone what was given there: > > B.S. Phillips (First_Last) > Regiment Name 10 Missouri Infantry > Side Confederate > Company D > Soldier's Rank_In Private > Soldier's Rank_Out Private > Alternate Name Ira T./Phillips > Notes > Film Number M380 roll 11 > > Where do I find more information about the 10th MO > infantry? What was an "Alternate Name"? What are > the film numbers referred to? > > Would appreciate any information. > Thanks again, > > Cal Phillips > [email protected] > > Go here: http://www.missouridivision-scv.org/ Desoto Joe/The Record Man
If anyone is having trouble posting to the list, let me know, I had to re-enter my address & I'm the administrator! sheesh! Desoto Joe/The Record Man
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Hi, **This message is being sent to the MO-CW mailing list.** The email address that RootsWeb has for the MO-CW list admin [email protected] is bouncing, so RootsWeb is looking to make contact with the list admin. Will the list admin please contact Andrew Billinghurst ([email protected]) so that we know that you are still maintaining this list and please reply quoting this message. List members there is nothing for you to worry about and nothing for you to do, it is probably just an email problem for the person looking after the day-to-day management of this list. Rest assured that this does not mean that your list is in danger. Thanks! Andrew Billinghurst, RootsWeb Staff [email protected] -- Andrew Billinghurst <[email protected]> Genealogy mailing lists: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1241
Following the battle of Helena, Arkansas on July 4, 1863, the 10th and White's (designated as the 9th and 12th) Infantry Regiments were greatly reduced in numbers due to casualties at that engagement. Consequently the two regiments were temporarily consolidated as the 10th MO Infantry Regt (Consolidated). They were enventually separated again. Many men will therefore appear on the rolls of both regiments. Hope this helps some. Jim McGhee
For those who might want to know the story on the Confederate Flag and Battle Flag Claiborne Scholl Nappier Confederate Stars and Bars The First Official Flag of the Confederacy. Although less well known than the "Confederate Battle Flags", the Stars and Bars was used as the official flag of the Confederacy from March 1861 to May of 1863. The pattern and colors of this flag did not distinguish it sharply fom the Stars and Stripes of the Union. Consequently, considerable confusion was caused on the battlefield. The seven stars represent the original Confederate States; South Carolina (December 20, 1860) Mississippi(January 9, 1861) Florida (January 10,1861) Alabama (January 11, 1861) Georgia (January 19, 1861) Louisiana (January 26, 1861) and Texas (February 1, 1861) The second Official Flag of the Confederacy On May 1st,1863, a second design was adopted, placing the Battle Flag (also known as the "Southern Cross") as the canton on a white field. This flag was easily mistaken for a white flag of surrender especially when the air was calm and the flag hung limply. Efforts to secede failed in Kentucky and Missouri though those states were represented by two of the stars. *(see note below) The flag now had 13 stars having been joined officially by four more states, Virginia (April 17, 1861), Arkansas (May 6, 1861), Tennessee (May 7, 1861), North Carolina (May 21, 1861). The third Official Flag of the Confederacy The third Official Flag of the Confederacy. On March 4th,1865, a short time before the collapse of the Confederacy, a third pattern was adapted; a broad bar of red was placed on the fly end of the white field. The Confederate Battle Flag The best-known Confederate flag was the Battle Flag, the familiar "Southern Cross". It was carried by Confederate troops in the field which were the vast majority of forces under the confederacy. The Stars represented the 11 states actually in the Confederacy plus Kentucky and Missouri. Confederate Navy Jack Used as a navy jack at sea from 1863 onward. This flag has become the generally recognized symbol of the South. The first recorded use of the lone star flag dates to 1810. On September 11, 1810 a troop of West Florida dragoons set out for the provincial capitol at Baton Rouge under this flag. They were joined by other republican forces and captured Baton Rouge, imprisoned the Governor and on September 23, 1810 raised their Bonnie Blue flag over the Fort of Baton Rouge. Three days later the president of the West Florida Convention, signed a Declaration of Independence and the flag became the emblem of a new republic. By December 10, the flag of the United States replaced the Bonnie Blue after President Madison issued a proclamation declaring West Florida under the jurisdiction of the Governor of the Louisiana Territory. With this rebellion in mind, this flag was used by the Republic of Texas from 1836 to 1839. On January 9, 1861 the convention of the People of Mississippi adopted an Ordinance of Secession. With this announcement the Bonnie Blue flag was raised over the capitol building in Jackson. Harry Macarthy was so inspired that he wrote a song entitled "The Bonnie Blue Flag" which became the second most popular patriotic song of the Confederacy. The Confederate government did not adopt this flag but the people did and the lone star flags were adopted in some form in five of the southern States that adopted new flags in 1861. Bonnie Blue * Both MO and KT had representatives in the CSA and USA national legislatures. They both had designated units in the national armies. Both the CSA and USA national governments recognized them as part of their respective countries. The only reason the two states are considered only part of the USA is that they were occupied by invaiding USA troops. Both MO and KT *were* a recognized part of the CSA.
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I have recently found my Greatgrandfather B.S. Phillips listed in the roster for the 10th MO Regimental Infantry and have also found it stated to be the 12th?? Can anyone shed some light on this? Cal Phillips [email protected]
A friend just sent this to me and thought I should share it with all. Claiborne The man behind the Rebel flag by Clint Parker The Asheville Tribune Sept 26, 2002 An interview with local Southern heritage activist H.K. Edgerton on his upcoming march to Texas, on his critics, and more Editor’s note: On a fall afternoon Confederate flag waver and concerned Southern historian H.K. Edgerton sat down with Tribune reporter Clint Parker for an interview about his October walk to Texas. H.K. Edgerton is a man of strong opinions, who is not afraid to speak his mind. This was the case this week when Edgerton was interviewed about his October walk from North Carolina to Texas. Edgerton, the former head of the Asheville branch of the NAACP and for the last five years a defender of the Confederate flag and other related causes, plans to leave for Austin, Texas Monday, October 14th by foot. When asked what he was doing, Edgerton responded with a big smile, “Walkin’ across Dixie.” The official title of the project is “March Across Dixie” and, according to Edgerton’s press release, has three purposes. First, Edgerton says he wants to expand the awareness of the need to defend Southern heritage, history and the rightfulness of the Confederate cause here in the South and across the entire United States. The south had every legal right to secede and never should have been attacked for wanting to do so. Second, Edgerton views the walk as part of an educational effort to show that Southern symbols are part of a proud heritage that should be defended, not scorned, as many liberal politicians, media and special interests would have you believe, he says. Southerners have a cultural experience of their own, and that culture needs to be defended from historical revisionists. The current ‘segregation’ of Southern culture, and particularly the Flag, by the uneducated liberals is no different from the ‘segregation’ that the blacks faced earlier. Third, he plans to raise money and gain support to build a permanent heritage defense fund to be split between the Southern Legal Resource Center and the Sons of Confederate Veterans to guarantee “...our heritage and history survives and prospers despite the current attacks.” “Lying about the south and re-writing history so the people remain ignorant of what really happened only continues to separate the races.” Edgerton says he hopes to raise $2 million. According to Edgerton, the Southern Legal Resource Center, a non-profit law firm that defends Southern heritage cases such as the flying of the Confederate Flag, currently has 12 cases that are about to go before the US Supreme court with hundreds of cases being phoned in “...all the time.” “I’ve influenced a lot of babies across the south land to stand up,” explains Edgerton, “Now they’re being sent home from school or forced to remove their Cross of St. Andrew (the original name of what’s now known as the Confederate Flag).” They’re calling on legal help from the center and Edgerton wants to help raise money for their defense. The 1,300 mile walk is a tall order for the 55-year-old man. He’ll be carrying a Confederate flag the whole way. Edgerton plans to take the journey 21 miles a day, six days a week. He plans to attend a local church on Sundays, give speeches and “kiss a lot of babies.” He thinks the journey will take about four months to complete. Edgerton considers his crusade a “fight for civil rights” and says, “I’ve fought for civil rights all my life and it doesn’t get any worse than this. It’s high time to have education for black and white folks about Southern history.” Edgerton’s knowledge of the Civil War era differs greatly from what the usual textbooks, which he calls northern propaganda, teach. Edgerton instructs that secession was an act provided for in the U.S. Constitution. No state had ever agreed to enter into a perpetual Union when it ratified the Constitution, and the South was not the first to discuss the idea. According to Edgerton, the New England states talked about secession during the War of 1812, and in 1814 the New England Federalists even held a secession convention in Connecticut. Here are a few other insights Edgerton presented about the Civil War: “Blacks fought for the South.” “Lincoln fought the South to keep all the Southern tax money.” “Southern generals have been made out to be traitors when they were very honorable men.” “Blacks could certainly walk around the south, but not around Lincoln’s Illinois.” “America will never ever be great until the truth (about the Civil War) is told.” “The only thing Lincoln did was to pit black and white against each other” "The Constitution is what started the Civil War - taxes and states’ rights - not slavery.” “Many blacks were free and they even owned slaves.” (This was documented in an Asheville Tribune article about the 1800s Sulfur Spring Resort in West Asheville.) “Most white folks didn’t even own slaves.” “The first legalized slave was owned by a black man.” According to Edgerton, the greatest Union desertion rates occurred just after Lincoln announced his Emancipation Proclamation. Edgerton asserted, “Union Soldiers said they didn’t get into to this war to save the niggers.” He believes the United States did a great disservice to the South after the war. Edgerton points out, “We (the United States) rebuilt Germany and Japan (after World War II), but we never rebuilt the south land. We need a Marshall plan for the South and we need it now.” “If you want to understand today’s race problems, you have to understand what went on during the ‘reconstruction.’ Anyone who knows nothing of that era is simply ignorant.” Edgerton has his own ideas about reparations too. “The idea of reparations (for slavery) is a joke. It’s a way to drive a wedge between blacks and whites. The only hope they (the blacks) have is to hold their white southern brothers’ hand and join in calling for Southern reparations,” explains Edgerton. “My ultimate goal is to seek reparations for all Southerners.” Edgerton is not just talking about money either, but the South’s history that Edgerton says has been rewritten by the victors - the North. Edgerton talked about some of his exploits and told of when he was standing on a bridge in Alabama with his Confederate Flag. He said a black woman stopped, jumped out of a car, hugged his neck and told him that she could now bring her grandfather’s uniform down out of the attic. It was a Confederate uniform. He notes that when his zeal was put to work in the black community, he was called “a radical, loose cannon,” yet when he turned his attention to defending his Southern heritage he is called a “lackey and Uncle Tom.” “It’s ridiculous that a Nazi, Ku Klux Klan skinhead would use the Cross of St. Andrew to try and intimidate anyone. That’s my flag,” states Edgerton. Edgerton says that in the Southern heritage circles he’s been affiliated with, “I’ve not run into one person who believes slavery was a good thing.” When it comes to defending Southern Hertiage, Edgerton admits “Southerners always will try to accommodate people because we are kind-hearted, but we’ve backed up too far,” he says. Edgerton, who says he’s been made a member of the “White Trash Society,” says with a laugh, “It’s hard to be a white man 'cause we’re guilty of everything bad that happened.” One of Edgerton’s detractors, Monroe Gilmour, who was named as a Coordinator with the Western North Carolina Citizens for an End to Institutional Bigotry, recently made comments about Edgerton in a national CNSNews. com story. Edgerton was asked to respond to Gilmour’s statement that when Edgerton attended the Martin Luther King peace march with his Confederate flag that “It feels as if he is there in defiance of what we’re doing.” “See, here we go again,” responded Edgerton, “I’m there following Martin Luther King’s dream.” What dream is that? Edgerton says it’s the one where the son of a slave-owner could sit down with the son of a slave. The Tribune contacted Gilmour to get his reaction to Edgerton’s response. Gilmour said that Edgerton was not marching with the parade, but standing on the side and, “It just felt as if he was there in defiance.” In the CNS article Gilmour said that Edgerton was “a pathetic soul who’s searching for love and has found it with white supremacists.” Edgerton responded to Gilmour’s statement by saying that he had found love among the white supremacists and that Gilmour was the “pathetic soul.” Edgerton went on to say, “Monroe Gilmour speaks like he’s a black man. What is Monroe Gilmour? Mr. Gilmour is a liar and I have no respect for him. I don’t expect a man like that to know anything about history. Gilmour is the worst bigot I’ve ever met.” “I don’t think there’s any need to respond to that,” said Gilmour when told of Edgerton’s response. In the CNS story Gilmour also compared Edgerton to a Holocaust denier who can be presented with evidence of slavery and its brutality and just dismiss it. Edgerton says that he’s never denied that slavery happened or that slavery was a bad thing. “Well, that’s not the impression that he gives a lot of people,” Gilmour says, “It seems inconsistent.” Gilmour further stated in the article that Edgerton has convinced himself that masters and slaves actually labored together to improve the South. Edgerton responded that after the Civil War former slave-owners offered freed slaves pieces of property to work, since Confederate currency was worthless. “I think he needs to go talk to some real historians,” says Gilmour. Gilmour stated in the CNS piece that, “It’s our opinion that he is being used as camouflage for the white separatist and even supremacist use of folks like [the Southern Legal Resource Center’s] Kirk Lyons.” Edgerton responded, “I’m tired of people talking about Kirk Lyons. I’d give my life for Kirk D. Lyons.” To back up his claim that Lyons is not a racist he points to Lyons’ taking as clients blacks in Waco, Texas, a black man who was beaten by police in Hendersonville, and his legal help to the NAACP while Edgerton was president of the local chapter. “He (Lyons) has always told me to turn the other cheek; damned if I’m going to turn the other check,” exclaims Edgerton. Gilmour was asked by the Tribune about his group, Western North Carolina Citizens for an End to Institutional Bigotry. Asked who was on the board of directors, Gilmour replied that there were no board members. Asked how many members the group had, Gilmour said that it wasn’t a membership organization. Asked how the group was funded, Gilmour said by private individuals and small grants So far, Edgerton has had to defend his beliefs with his blood. He was attacked by black men on two different occasions. Both attacks occurred here in his hometown of Asheville, NC. So he continues to march to raise money to educate folks with the truth, to promote ‘heritage, and not hate,’ and to take the fight to the courts when it becomes necessary.